Who Would be Wonder Woman's First Ideal Villain?

[@thesausageman5388]

What I also like about this premise “The Gods having children with select Amazons” is that it VERY EASILY opens you up to doing Grail in the future. If the Old Gods can have children with Amazons, why can’t a New God? So we have Darkseid do the same, and have Grail’s mother be outcasted for it.

[@Blackstorm99]

Yep I love it.

[@milkiassamuel780]

I do think Giganta would be a solid pick for Wonder Woman's first villain, at least before having her fighting powerful Gods like Ares, Circe, etc... Honestly, there are many underrated villains in her rogue's gallery they can pick from for her first enemy, and I don't think there's any right or wrong answer since there's a lot you can do with her villains and her dynamic with each of them.

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Agreed

[@Zekrel]

I liked your story. I always thought that someone like Cheetah or Giganta should definitely be Diana’s arch nemesis first because it always made the most sense. However (and this is just me diving into my crazy idea factory) I think it would be interesting if Diana’s first battle was with Grail. I’m not saying Grail should be her first arch nemesis or even first villain, just her first battle. Like, let’s just say for the first 20 years of her life (at most) she wasn’t told about the prophecy and was just treated like any other Amazon. Maybe she would hear some of the older Amazons whispering about her whenever she would pass by. The other younger Amazons would be wary of her but try to act normal. Diana would be the one person to treat Grail with kindness and respect and the two of them would grow close. And since they were born so close to each other, they’d feel more of a sisterly bond with each than any of the other Amazons. But, on their 20th birthday, the two would battle for the first time (just in an Amazon tradition or something) and they would both trigger a spark of their godly powers. The other Amazons would be happy for Diana but Grail’s sudden awakening would result in her being secret locked away for the rest of Diana’s time on the island and longer. Eventually, after years of being locked up, Grail would fully come into her power that she inherited from her father, Darkseid, and escape the island killing a large majority of the Amazons in the process. She would learn of the prophecy surrounding her but also hear of Diana having left the island long ago. Feeling like Diana betrayed her, Grail would seek her out and the two would then fight as enemies. By that time, Diana would have already fought against most of her other rogues gallery but not have fully come into her godly power.

[@comicfan1324]

Something I love about this take on the story is it explains why wonder woman never kills her. Sure wonder woman isn’t a bloodthirsty monster, but she’s made it clear she’s more than willing to kill if it’s necessary. but making it so her first villain was a friend would make it more believable that she wouldn’t be willing to take her and vice versa

[@gabrielcanejo187]

Yeah but given How the Justice League is they need SOMEONE in there who sees that Sometimes It Is Necessary to Go There and do It, Especially on the Original Leading Members.

[@destroyallbacteriad.a.b9007]

THIS is the kind of story telling that makes me love comic books great video man!

[@najbgaj]

@@mayotango1317okay? and the world is still spinning!

[@tyrellmultimedia]

Thanks man glad you enjoyed it!

[@IAmVisionXo]

Absolutely fabulous video, definitely subscribing. I love the idea of Giganta being from Themyscira, it’s brilliant.

[@tyrellmultimedia]

Hey thank you so much! I'm glad you liked the idea and I'm glad to have you here. I always try to create new ideas so I appreciate the support!

[@diegodreossi1458]

This is a interesting spin for Giganta

[@Startingsum25]

12k right around the corner

[@willsherman4044]

This is an interesting reimaging of giganta. Which seems very interesting to me.

[@comicfan1324]

I love how this version of the villain is very sympathetic yet you know what she’s doing is going too far. Leaving the island because you can’t trust the leaders anymore is fair enough. After all if you can’t trust your queen or even worse, your own mother, who can you trust? For all she knew Diana could’ve been in on it seeing as she was the princess. But going back and waging war against her own people and potentially killing innocent Amazons just to get some answers is going way too far

[@srstriker6420]

Well I reimagined Wonder Woman taking inspiration from the Ultimate Thor where nobody thinks that Wonder Woman is not a demigoddess but some crazy person because the Greek Gods had there own version of Ragnarok that was done by Ares,Circe and Artemis so Diana is reincarnated as a mortal woman and Ares and his conspirators were trapped in a room with no doors as that is how they maintain their powers and I also reimagined Cheetah being a childhood friend of Steve Trevor who wanted to start a life with him until Diana came along and ruined everything as that is why she hated Diana for it.

[@jeancaron9325]

I hope you do Firestorm,s Sinister Six.

[@billymccrary2246]

Can't wait to see other DC characters like Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, etc., etc..

[@WeebGuru6]

I think her first villain should be aresia honestly

[@tyrellmultimedia]

That's a great pick! I actually did a Wonder Woman movie pitch video a long time ago and she was the first villain.

[@WeebGuru6]

@@tyrellmultimedia I saw this and I had the same idea with this except with black canary helping Diana along with this being wonder women first time in the modern world

[@WeebGuru6]

@@mayotango1317 neither did Harley and look at her now

[@nurlannerimanov9124]

I really enjoy your channel and have been following your videos for a while-always love your insights and creativity! That said, I have a slightly different take on Wonder Woman's storyline. I feel that no male gods, like Zeus or Ares, should be involved in Diana’s origin-her birth should be solely the work of the female gods coming together to give her life. Also, I’m not keen on the idea of any romantic relationships between godly creatures and Hippolyta. It feels unnecessary and doesn’t quite fit with the Amazonian lore. Additionally, the idea of Amazons slaving men or sending male children away doesn’t sit well with me. It seems out of character for them and doesn’t align with the values that Wonder Woman embodies. I also like the thought of Amazons not being entirely isolated-they should have access to both magic and technology, which is where Wonder Woman’s invisible jet could come into play

[@Blackstorm99]

I like the Giganta story. Except I would change it from daughter of the gods.. to daughter of the Titans. Since Titans are natural enemies of the gods and can even eat gods it makes a very great rival. God magic doesn’t work on titans they can absorb it, but titans also can’t wield magic.. It gives Giganta and WW a Yin/Yang

[@tyrellmultimedia]

You know what, thank you. I was planning on making her a child of a Titan but my knowledge on them was limited. So I didn't know if it would make sense. But in terms of her powers and what she can do it's brilliant. The ability to ignore magic would be perfect as well.

[@Blackstorm99]

⁠@@tyrellmultimediayep Atlas Chronos, Asteria (she is named in WW movie) Hyperion, etc are all titans. Making Giganta absorb magic makes her more formidable. She could hurt Superman and others making her a decent physical threat. It also means she might bypass the lasso

[@kingofhearts3185]

A titan might also be the reason she has a unique growth power as well, why she isn't like any other Amazon.

[@IAmVisionXo]

@@tyrellmultimediaBut this is Devastation’s whole thing is it not? Like a dark mirror of Diana raised by the Titans????

[@srstriker6420]

@@tyrellmultimediayou know I was thinking of reimagining Wonder Woman as being like the Ultimate Thor where everyone thinks that he wasn’t a God just a crazy person but actually he was a god reincarnated as human after dealing his version of Ragnarok with Frost giants and Nazis, so for Wonder Woman that she was a daughter of Zeus but she was reincarnation as a mortal after the Olympus Gods have their own version of Ragnarok where Ares and Circe had Athena killed just for kicks and also out of spite on Ares part(I wasn’t sure to make Artemis as their accomplice on this and that Hera was the real mastermind behind all of it but what do you think) and free the Titans along with Typhon to attack Olympus and get rid of Zeus and while that happened Zeus sent Ares and his conspirators to a Room with no Doors before dying and the Amazons got involved to fight Ares army that they all died and that the Amazons are extinct or that are only a few of them left that makes them pretty rare as Diana the only one and Zeus last born child. Also I reimagined Cheetah being Steve Trevor’s childhood friend that she wanted to spend her life with until he was came back from his supposed crash that he came back with a stranger that he started favouring over a woman who he knew half his life over a nobody and that is she hated Diana for and that Circe made her the Cheetah after escaping the Room with no Doors with her Conspirators as they maintain their powers.

[@redbeardkingdom6890]

As a massive fan of the George Pérez run from the late 80s, the whole God on Amazonian thing makes me shudder 😅 lol imo, Circe is probably the most definitive nemesis. Ares is obviously the big bad, but Circe is the best mirror of Diana.

[@MS-qb3cp]

"Amazon" not Amazonian ;)

[@mactcom7887]

Loved this!! Another great video TMM!!👍👍

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

Not really a fan of making Diana a demi-god, and I don't really vibe with the amazons letting the gods play "eugenics" with them (specially because sleeping with male gods goes against everything they believe in), but cool video! Really creative and interesting! Edit: and isn't the connection with Ares already Cassie (Wonder Girl)'s thing?

[@tyrellmultimedia]

Cassandra or Yara Wonder Girl? Because I was sure Cassandra had a relation to Zeus and Yara was connected to a river god.

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

@@tyrellmultimedia Cassandra. She is a blood relative of Zeus, but Ares trained her and gifted her with the lasso of lighting.

[@matthewmckinnon-gray9957]

Also, in the 70s Diana was portrayed as Ares’s granddaughter so there is a precedent for him being tied to Diana too.

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

@@matthewmckinnon-gray9957 He was always tied to her, because he was her VILLAIN. Making him her father doesn't help them in any way. In fact, it makes Wonderlore WORSE.

[@ieuanevans3760]

Some real quality content this👏. Potential idea for a video about dcs version of marvels cabal team a group of master mind an leader type villains who control things from behind the scenes.

[@thesausageman5388]

Hey. I got a question for you. What would be your ideal team for a ‘Cosmic Justice League’ or ‘Justice League Odyssey’ book?

[@twrampage]

I'd personally have Diana be unable to accept the truth of her true origin for quite some time. She would be in denial for quite a while, even after having beaten Giganta. I would leave her as a daughter of Zeus, though. It leaves the door open for conflict with Hera. In this timeline I could see a sinister six of Amazon demigods fighting Diana at some point, which could be amazing.

[@CosmicFist78]

"and this certainly doesn't justify her means" then showing giganta piledriving the Washington monument made me laugh

[@tyrellmultimedia]

I was running out of good pictures to use for her 😂

[@josephryman3799]

sounds like a good idea

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Agreed

[@MrBallsworth69]

Love your videos man I eat this shit up

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Same here

[@HMNCLunar]

Oh, eating shit is TIGHT!

[@willsherman4044]

I also think this reimagining of an origin would work even better for Circe. In my opinion

[@mister_chewy]

i'm not really hip to Wonder Woman's origin like that (except the one where she's made of clay or something), but I like what you did with her origin in this and i'd actually want to read more about it

[@michaelpasalic2380]

Love Giganta as her first villain, and love the story. Call me old fashion or call it lazy writing, but I think the best villains are the old friends that feel betrayed or from their point of view, been given up on by the hero or society and they blame the hero. That hatred can easily be stoked and carried for many years allowing us as fans the benefit to some great stories.

[@WeebGuru6]

Hey do u think these can be good justice league founding teams Batman, Superman, wonder women, Barry flash, Hal green lantern, Mr. Terrific, & icon or Batman, Superman, wonder women, Barry flash, John green lantern, captain atom, zatanna

[@MontenegroPlus]

I only remember Giganta as a background reminder of OLD versions of DC. :(

[@leondyer3855]

Interesting, a first villain is important, but if I may be so bold might I ask who would you say is Diana's antithetical nemesis? Batman has Joker, Superman has Lex Luther, but Diana doesn't really have a noteworthy household-name antithesis that she can foil on a regular basis. I mean sure there's Ares but ive always viewed the court of owls or doomsday analogue, the looming threat who always means business. Another pick would be Dr. Psycho, but he's essentially just a psychic riddler analogue with more incel-juice thrown in. I actually went to the DC fan wiki to see and I think the best pick for WW's nemesis would be Fausta grables, her original backstory works as she is essentially someone who worked with a repressive regime who would likely end up restricting the rights of a lot of people, needless to say women in general , or was given a high ranking in the Nazi hierarchy because she fit the ideal of traditional women-hood to a tee and was made to be a star female athlete by the regime. Even if you were to update her for the modern day hardcore character concept still feels like it would fit as essentially someone who in uses their looks to get ahead instead of using any true skill (I feel the trope of the blonde Republican sex kitten would be applicable here) or just generally being a starscream-in-megatrons's clothing would suit her well.

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

I think for wonder woman’s first villain that she should fight against is Aresia and I think having her father as Ares would be a perfect choice. The reason for the statement is that I will still have Diana as the daughter of Zeus and the most favorite among his children while Ares’ Daughter Aresia would think more like her father with the whole idea of conquering and bring war I would also incorporate some ideas from the wonder woman TV show with her (Aresia) taking on the identity of Paulina von Gunther. Another villain that Diana could face would be silver swan as the child of Circe. And silver swan could have some of the same attributes of Circe, but at the same time she also has the abilities of a siren.

[@ali773n]

People only know Cheetah though. She usually is playing sidekick to Superman fighting Darkseid or Apokolips.

[@dazzle1933]

Pricilla Rich the Original Cheetah during the years when you had Wonder Woman captured more often. Veronica Cale is just Pricilla Rich with Luthor's Money and power

[@Unrealizedthoughts0]

IMO, Wonder Woman needs to have a clear starting point. Going into a first villains: Obscures like Eviless can be among them. No powers, I think how Wonder Woman can be sent to Man's World to retrieve items & weapons of the Gods. Eviless uses a whip, maybe we can have that be the Lasso of Truth. Other characters like Aresia, Duke of Deception, Doctor Poison, Devastation, Cavalier, and Angle Man can used for the first arc.

[@kevinscott1547]

How about Doctor Psycho as her first villain

[@Ragnorok657]

Lol

[@daraghokane4236]

When so goes to man's world he is the first person she meats

[@monelmonelmonel]

Cvnt

[@UniverseChronology]

I'd say Circe or Ares, maybe both. There needs to be some sort of catalyst to make the Amazons want to send one of their own to Man's World and it would have to be something massive and both Circe and Ares make perfect sense as massive threats that the Amazons would notice and try to send one of their own to stop, especially since they're both connected to Greek Mythology. I get that these are two of Wonder Woman's biggest threats and it makes sense to save them for later, but I also think it gives a good reason for Diana to actually leave for Man's World. I don't like Diana leaving Themyscira because of World War 2, I prefer Diana to be a younger character, having her be Wonder Woman since the 1940s just feels weird to me. I think Hippolyta is better suited as the World War 2 Wonder Woman, she has been it before in the comics and it gives the Wonder Woman title more of a legacy. I also have only really liked Steve and Diana in the Golden Age and in Greg Rucka's run during DC Rebirth. I much prefer Steve as a World War 2 character and there are very few times that him coming over to modern times have actually worked for me. I'm also not a fan of the idea of Wonder Woman being a demi-god, whether her father be Zeus or Ares it has never been appealing to me. It just feels right that she was crafted by her mother from clay and given life by the Goddesses, each giving her something that makes her special. She is a feminist hero after all, making her a daughter of Zeus or Ares makes her power come from Zeus or Ares, male gods. It works better for her gifts to be something bestowed upon her by the goddesses. I've never been a fan of Giganta's various origins in the comics. My head canon origin is that Doris is a young scientist that is diagnosed with a rare fatal blood disorder and tries to harvest Diana's life essence to extend her own life like in post crisis. Unlike in Post Crisis, she doesn't die, instead she becomes magically powered by Diana's life essence and finds a way to stabilize her powers (maybe with the help of Gorilla Grodd if we really want to carry over the gorilla stuff). Giganta, to me, works better as a later villain for Diana. Perhaps her and Doris could first meet in like her second year, but their first meeting where Doris is actually Giganta would happen years later once she has stabilized her powers and learned how to control them.

[@j2174]

I prefer modelled out of clay by the mum and Hera brings WW to life.

[@phillyman2837]

Grail

[@Leptitsingerouge]

My headcannon was a duo consisting in hades, a caricature of toxic masculinity, the absolute opposite of WW and baroness Paula Von Gunther. Diana would be very naive at this time and think women cannot be bad and, well, the baroness is an ex-amazon turned nazi.

[@Leptitsingerouge]

Oops my bad i meant ares

[@conormitchell309]

Honestly, I wish WW84 came up with an idea like this because it’s so much better than that garbage fire of a film. (Cannot forgive them for them ruining the Cheetah).

[@comicfan1324]

You know, this would be my question for the leaders of the Amazons in the story? What happened to the sons of the gods? I mean, you’re telling me with all the kids they had they all just happened to be girls? That 50-50 chance didn’t end up with any of them having the male sex? I find that a little improbable. So what happened to them?

[@daraghokane4236]

It could be a thing that Amazon's can only have daughters

[@tyrellmultimedia]

It could be what daraghokane said, that Amazonian women can only have girls. Or it could be a twist of Amazonian men in New 52. However, I don't think I'd want to go with how brutal they treat them but perhaps they're simply sent elsewhere.

[@srstriker6420]

@@tyrellmultimediayeah because they would more monsters than the so-called men that they constantly blame everyday as it just seems that they are paranoid and delusional

[@comicfan1324]

@@tyrellmultimedia Each of those interpretations I think could be interesting. I guess it depends on whether you like the idea of the Amazons being a noble race, despite their mistrust of mankind, or if you want to go down the route to them being just as bad if not worse than mankind.

[@rossjones8426]

Wait wasn't goldenage Giganta a gorilla turned into a human.

[@HMNCLunar]

And it's kinda implied in the DCAU. ;)

[@tyrellmultimedia]

It's a little strange. On Earth 2 in the golden age there is "Giganta II" or "Giganta the Second" who is a large blonde Amazonian who rivals Diana for the title of Wonder Woman, but they just call her Giganta.

[@monelmonelmonel]

I think the story would work without the Amazons having hook ups with the Gods lol

[@tyrellmultimedia]

Possibly. But I'd prefer otherwise.

[@monelmonelmonel]

​@@tyrellmultimedia I like the Giganta origin though, it provides a reason for Giganta turning into a hero at the end like in the Earth 3 Legion of Justice.

[@Startingsum25]

Hey hey 1st like

[@THEINFINITEBLACKDYNAMITE]

The first ideal villain for a Wonder Woman origin film should always be Ares. Other than that it should be Dr. Barbara Minerva/The Cheetah.

[@EclecticBarbie]

ww’s clay origin story will always be superior

[@insertname9736]

No.

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

True, but this is a cool video.

[@EclecticBarbie]

@@insertname9736 lol.

[@EclecticBarbie]

@@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831 definitely. It’s always cool to discuss ww

[@Fanged.Fiend.Reactor]

Not really