Who wrote Master of Puppets? #metallica #howardstern #music #shorts #youtube #jameshetfield

[@hobogigolo4674]

Maybe it was Dave's riff

[@SocknessMonster]

Glazing

[@KevinWillson-nf3gh]

Never heard of her

[@muhammadabid7433]

Your doing tricks on it

[@jamesvuk9761]

I agree that's why he's not really claiming it

[@AdamJonMusic]

Exactly

[@carlinleneker-frisch976]

Lars: "in our band it was always about the collective, except for jason because fuck him"

[@brianbess5071]

@@carlinleneker-frisch976 Kirk wrote some great riffs for james

[@danteeldante1383]

They did fuck him collectively though

[@markbailey4462]

Yeah collect other people's music

[@markbailey4462]

Jason Newsted held Metallica together through the 90s so fuck that comment

[@krzychood]

If I were such as shitty drummer as he is, I would also stick to the collective 😂.

[@ThePancakeJedi]

To be perfectly honest, I gave them that riff back in '85.

[@stargellblackstar3968]

Marty Mcfly showed them from the future

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Are you ever coming home with the milk btw?

[@DieBettusMan]

The clock with legs told me to tell James about the riff back in 85’

[@michaelsavides8856]

I've actually written some Megadeth riffs. But then they came out with them before I could fully flesh them out! I'm a huge Metallica fan but I really enjoy Megadeth!

[@badcornflakes6374]

Thank you Jedi grandmaster Yoda

[@gee5861]

This dude knows EXACTLY whos responsible for EVERY riff. Playing it down is a solid team move

[@deletedhero5579]

Yea himself but humility

[@sosababee]

Dave

[@deletedhero5579]

@@sosababee No Dave

[@UncleUncleRj]

@@sosababee Lol. I thought the same thing, but no Dave woulda claimed the hell outta that. I bet it was either Cliff or someone else from the past.

[@mythic6632]

Cause fuck band politics and the daily grind of ego/competition. Let’s just all do our best to make it happen.

[@postbyte1]

"In our band, it's always been about the collective." And then you hear the 'and justice for all' album and wonder where the bass is.

[@rafa92571]

Underated comment 👍👍

[@jadedandbitter]

Or look at the songwriting credits on the first two albums.

[@prod.by.boozey]

"our band" as in Kirk,James,Lars and cliff not Jason

[@ogorkiszony_]

The biggest problem of Justice is that the guitar and drums were fighting each other. When the bass came in it drowned everything. It's a problem that should have been solved by engineers so that James and Lars could get the sound of instruments they wanted without anyone suffering because of it

[@ddmddmd]

or where did Kill em all came from

[@NJTRAF]

My first instinct when he wouldn’t say is it’s a Dave Mustaine riff 😂

[@kopkiwi08]

It is ABSOLUTELY Mustaines riff.

[@MMAoracle]

No, it’s definitely a hetfield riff

[@deletedhero5579]

@@kopkiwi08 Absolutely not

[@williamthompson1109]

​@deletedhero5579 actually, it is. The speed and aggressive tones are the same, but the set up and the note setup is actually different from Dave's style

[@deletedhero5579]

@@williamthompson1109 No it's not Dave's riff, hes said himself it's not how much more clear can it get!

[@rip608]

Our band is a collective. We collectively collected all of Dave's riffs.

[@deletedhero5579]

All Dave's riffs says a lot about Dave when he barely wrote any in Metallica 😅

[@zg2514]

Phantom Lord, Jump in the Fire, Metal Militia, he wrote a bunch of songs they never even fucking play.

[@VlogsNiKuyang]

Master puppets was during 1985..Mustaine already out of the band

[@georgelanders4271]

I bet Howard can't quite one line from the song

[@AntonioCalderon1974]

😂

[@xSTONYTARKx]

It's funny that Lars says that in Metallica It's about the collective. Because if you look at their records, most songs have the names of the writers of the song next to them, and a lot of them are just James and Lars

[@JBjopa8]

Exactly

[@-memento_mori]

Of course lars says the guitar riffs are always about the collective... lol

[@TallChic007]

Until payday. 😂

[@donniebrookins6215]

Maybe one day he will learn an instrument

[@Hooskerdoo32]

😂​@@donniebrookins6215

[@carloschavez344]

The funny part is everyone knows he didn't do shit in fact they probably wrote his frum parts also

[@outis439-A]

@@carloschavez344No. I know Lars arranges and has vision about the music

[@teamexpress851]

Somewhere, Dave Mustain is like: 👀

[@Silverwidows]

Somewhere, dave is like "team express spelt my name wrong"

[@teamexpress851]

@@Silverwidows Meanwhile, KZbin spellchecker is like: 😏

[@Skiddlez3D]

​@@teamexpress851@silverwidows both comments there are funny

[@AnnikaLaurenCassidy56]

​@@SilverwidowsI think it's more confused by "spelt", haha.

[@Silverwidows]

@@AnnikaLaurenCassidy56 "Spelt and spelled are two different spellings of the past tense of the verb 'spell'. The spelling tends to vary based on the version of English you're using: In US English, 'spelled' is standard. In UK English, both 'spelled' and 'spelt' are acceptable." yeah maybe, but he's a musician, i'm sure he's familiar with the UK using both lol

[@xdemohxd3335]

When it’s comes to that riff nothing else matters

[@MuxDePux]

trust i seek

[@AkanamesMalestrom]

Sad but true, just need to ride the lightning

[@thomasdemore7972]

I see what you did there

[@FoulBundy]

That just made me fade to black in my sanitarium.

[@cobrademon761]

@@MuxDePuxand I find in yoooooouuuu

[@casperoner2352]

The drummer has always wanted the respect the lead singer gets.

[@chadmorrison2446]

I don’t know if that matters = Dave Mustain wrote it

[@MonkFarmer-ev8zp]

According to Dave Mustaine, Lars Ulrich composed the song's opening riff, while Mustaine was still a member of Metallica. A riff from David Bowie's song "Andy Warhol" (at 0:48) is quoted in "Master of Puppets" (at 6:19). It is an homage made by Cliff Burton and Kirk Hammett to whom Bowie was a huge influence.

[@gingervsginger]

AND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

[@royeaston6067]

@@MonkFarmer-ev8zplars pointed to straight to James.

[@motleydude73]

The world would know 10x over if that whiny old woman wrote it. He was gone by '85 anyway.

[@feelipdajkovic2010]

I ​@@motleydude73 I was about to say that, we would never hear the end of that story if Dave wrote it. He's not exactly a shy fella

[@Smiley01987]

Seeing them avoid that question it was probably Dave Mustain 😂

[@deletedhero5579]

No

[@rubemortenson1724]

@@Smiley01987 It wasn't.

[@meneither6638]

It definitely was lol

[@deletedhero5579]

​@@meneither6638*'nt

[@williamjenner3604]

He 100% had nothing to do with Master of Puppets. Leper Messiah on the other hand...

[@travislee9662]

"It’s always been about the collective as long as my name is always included in the credits”- Lars Ulrich

[@rahulmenon4357]

Collective: Lars and L. Ulrich

[@robertgrover2725]

Cha ching

[@ghostofaforgottenweedle]

​@@rahulmenon4357 You forgot about Lars U., that’s a lawsuit.

[@SigNeg]

Lars wrote master of puppets opening riff .

[@KingPantocrator]

Imagine being that kid in a garage door to be the first to hear this legendary masterpiece ..."Master! Master!..."

[@michaelpena5986]

Those songs and albums were their best stuff ever. No albums after master of puppets even comes close to how good their stuff was then. First 3 albums will always be unforgettable.

[@TheGgreen100]

Gotta disagree bro, Justice was just as good. It was different than the first three, but then again KeA was just as different from RtL and MoP as those two albums were from Justice.

[@timearchitecture]

Nah lightning is dog shit, justice best album

[@murk4552]

​@@timearchitectureBiatch what?

[@murk4552]

​​@@timearchitectureLightning is dogshit when that is the band at their most creative before Puppets?

[@willowthorns]

@@murk4552 you can tell who the posers are.

[@patrickpilkington3220]

James brought it....on a cassette recorded by Dave Mustaine.😊

[@benjaminlynch9958]

Two years after Dave was unceremoniously fired from the band? The man was so bitter for so long, you really think he was helping out James and Lars in 1985? 🥴

[@7weco]

Dave cpuldn't come up with anything that good😂

[@FATmonkeyCHRIS]

​@7weco there's a little band you might want to check out called MEGADETH.

[@7weco]

@@FATmonkeyCHRIS what about it? Megadeth is literalky decent at best most of the time. Handful of 'better than average' songs but mostly not anything special

[@FATmonkeyCHRIS]

@@7weco well that is an opinion. Not one I, or many others, share. Among musicians Mustaine is considered among the great guitar writers of his era. But what would actual musicians know about talent and skill?

[@mikeloaiza1060]

James didn't want to answer cause he knows David would call him out!

[@deletedhero5579]

Dave says it's lars so there you go

[@IndividualThoughtPatterns]

Must be a joke ​@@deletedhero5579

[@Sebastian-dx2xg]

Dave even said Lars wrote the main riff

[@PikeBishop1]

There is something seriously wrong with you Mustcomplain stans.

[@lostkauz83]

Masters of dementia

[@ericword5243]

Ohmygawd!! Lars is such a freaking Diva!! " In this band it's collective" bro... just say James came up w/ the riff! Kirk said it's James's riff!

[@eriklindberg123]

Classic danish guy

[@robertstevens3522]

You mean Mustaine

[@TC-dw6wg]

Why Diva? Diva needs the recognition and he don’t care.

[@The_Stranger1986]

Dude he literally pointed at James and said it was him dumb f**k.

[@jackied962]

Actually it's Lars that says James came up with it first. He leans over to the mic, pointing at James and Kirk is just standing there.

[@marceachucarro8834]

To the people so sure it was Dave, he would have mentioned it a long time ago if he did, we're talking about Dave Mustaine here. Though i admit it is kinda weird they "don't remember". Maybe they literally don't remember, maybe it was Cliff and they for some reason don't wanna talk about it.

[@The_other_dude_]

Doesn't sound like anything else mustaine wrote. Not really his style. Now Cliff. I can see that.

[@Ray-g7v]

He did mention it

[@dyerseve45]

Its james. I remember an interview with hammett where he remembers James playing it for the first time

[@mahlongreene4149]

Except…..it’s about royalties…where it is amply spoken that Lars keeps the lion share of all the money and Mustaine never wanted to share writers credit. They can talk talk talk about the addiction being Mustaine’s reason for ouster,,,,,but money is a much more likely bet

[@10asee]

@@marceachucarro8834 Cliff... almost definitely the right answer.

[@rubonz7714]

When they react like that you can be like 90% sure that Dave came up with the riff and they just remembered it a few years later.

[@LTdrumma]

I agree 100%, this reaction doesnt make sense, he doesnt even wanna say "I dont remember", there would be nothing wrong with that, but the only answer he could find is "that stuff doesnt matter"?

[@deletedhero5579]

Noones ever heard of humility huh

[@Lopez-my1bo]

Lmao this is a hetfield and hammett song. Dave has nothing to do with master of puppets

[@electropentatonic]

James wrote almost all of Metallica's most iconic riffs but he's too humble to admit it.

[@alexmitchell7083]

I’ve seen the clip where they come up with a whole “new” riff and after playing it said it sounded so familiar. It was a complete copy of something they had done years ago and forgot about so this is believable.

[@travist5566]

Happens all the time as a musician. Says nothing about memory.

[@iplyrunescape305]

Kirk and Lars in Death Magnetic and Hardwired BTS

[@tokin42]

“The collective” includes Dave mustaine and David Bowies song Andy Warhol

[@deletedhero5579]

David Bowie yes not Dave Mustaine

[@AugustZabladowski]

Wait what??? Pls explain

[@Ninenails.]

Dave just in the corner laughing 😂

[@deletedhero5579]

You mean crying

[@Lopez-my1bo]

Dave wishes he wrote that riff

[@Jack-yl8fw]

@@Lopez-my1bonahhh

[@Lopez-my1bo]

@@Jack-yl8fw yea

[@Jack-yl8fw]

@@Lopez-my1bo nahhh

[@serenarose54]

The interviewer sounds like Peter Griffin

[@JVR10893]

James wrote most of it. Kirk wrote the pre-chorus riff. Cliff wrote the post-solo riff. And Lars helped arrange the whole song.

[@DevilWearsAdidas]

Source?

[@GoatMee]

​@@DevilWearsAdidas it's in the fridge

[@DevilWearsAdidas]

@@GoatMee No idea what you mean.

[@gsil2666]

@@DevilWearsAdidasSauce?

[@DevilWearsAdidas]

@@gsil2666 kick everyone that's involved off the internet. you guys are banned for that horrible of a pun

[@nickolasanderson8133]

There’s an elephant in the room and his name is Dave Mustaine

[@deletedhero5579]

The guy who says Lars wrote the song? Sure

[@michaelcoletta4547]

Dave at least contributed

[@deletedhero5579]

@@michaelcoletta4547 Not to this song or album.

[@wumantahazabama]

​@@deletedhero5579 Kid named leper Messiah

[@deletedhero5579]

@@wumantahazabama Well so he claims but Metallica deny this and the demo Dave says it's based on its only a very vague similarity in a chord progression

[@Camel-joe6000]

The way he reacted either cliff or Dave’s riff

[@martyisabeliever]

Dave

[@Spritofjazz]

Now that I think about they don’t ever really bring up Cliff much at all anymore do they?

[@bernhardsteinnagel9792]

​@@SpritofjazzNo they dont.....but what they do: Emberrass themselves with making musik with LadyGaGa🐴.....that was it for me.

[@cmbells7736]

​@@Spritofjazzit's prolly a point of trauma. They Was on that bus together, if I can recall they seen they friend last breaths.

[@jluke7440]

It was definitely someone else’s and they’re not paying royalties on that shit now

[@jenniferkoster1942]

I’m a GenXer that’s been listening to Metallica since about 85/86and I love and while they may not think much of Master of Puppets, their fans live it and there are young people today who are just discovering Metallica and realizing how awesome this band is.

[@NewWorldCT]

James has always been super chill. He's actually not detestable.

[@sergiug2837]

not always, he was the polar opposite in his boozing days

[@davidgrantphelps1944]

@@sergiug283720 years ago

[@AustinMello]

Nah, he's a self-important dickbag and a conservative. Not chill. He's too good to talk with normal folks.

[@loveinthevalley]

Him and lars are control freaks

[@georgepagotelis]

He's memory is fine, this is annoying and detestable

[@abysmaldepths4721]

I work in the neighborhood that Newsted lives occasionally. I'm told not to talk to anybody but i really wanna tell him he's one of my heroes

[@jamesb1988]

You should!! Jason would LOVE to hear that, dude is one of the nicest, most humble people on earth.

[@christaylor6990]

They dont want to say because its probably daves riff

[@medicisounds1384]

Who is dave and what happened? 😂

[@i2tryhard]

@@medicisounds1384He's talking about Dave Mustaine.

[@Gaulmar-wx7zf]

Dave would never shut up about it if that was the case

[@BilateralChatter]

Lars always seems like that brother inthe family that everyone hates, but tolerates

[@sumatra]

I can remember parents yelling at us for listening to heavy metal. And now at 63, the kids listen to the same music i still do. Metal will never go or lose it power to satisfy

[@travist5566]

🤘

[@fcamiola]

My son's favorite album is Ride The Lightning...and he's 17, born in 2006. There is still hope in the world!

[@pandorin2348]

No you boomer they listen to lil pump and YunoMiles

[@machupikachu1085]

I think James is just being humble. He probably know. He's just being classy.

[@keithmartinez396]

Sure Dave's riff

[@LinkBlade24]

Yes 100% I just said, bros classy to this

[@Weltall600]

By not admitting it was Dave Mustain's riff? Maybe you're being sarcastic idk.

[@noahide7256]

most top musicians dont write their songs

[@machupikachu1085]

@@noahide7256 In rock an metal they do. At least until AI came along.

[@BrianHowley-f6t]

They don’t remember because they jacked Dave’s shit.

[@Rockett77]

Exactly! That's why they suddenly answered questions like a senator "answering " questions about missing state funds..".uhhhbb, ummm, can you define what you mean by "the"??"

[@kabe6927]

If it was dave's shit he would have bitched about it a million times, he's not shy you can ask him 😂

[@BrianHowley-f6t]

@@kabe6927 he’s been bitching about it for years

[@jdm6413]

@@BrianHowley-f6t he never said he wrote MOP. I think he said he wrote part of leper messiah and maybe another riff off of MOP but never the title track.

[@rubemortenson1724]

@@jdm6413 Even the riff he claims he wrote from Leper Messiah... you can listen to it yourself. Those early riff tapes are available on KZbin. The riff he's talking about really sounds nothing like Leper Messiah. He wrote nothing on MoP.

[@gregshifflett6723]

Thats why there still together, good team

[@ronstewart6362]

Whenever they don't answer or say I don't remember, know this was a Dave Riff!😂😂

[@ryanedwards4512]

Cliff and Dave really wrote it but their egos won't let Lars and James admit that

[@PeterDan24]

oh for sure.. cuz like... you were there and shit.

[@ryanedwards4512]

@@PeterDan24 why would I have to be there? They have done it before

[@pedronerd8116]

​@@ryanedwards4512I'm pretty sure if he did he would use it on other songs, like he did with the like 6 or 7 riffs he wrote for them Like, the way Metallica and Megadeth riffs are written is overall pretty different, stop with this "Dave write every single good Metallica Riff ever", it's só dumb

[@Destroyer-jf3qz]

I don't think it's ego, more not ruining the brand, although either is plausible 😅

[@cmbells7736]

​@@pedronerd8116they was part of the "collective" than, so I don't know why you doing what you doing.

[@The_Buff_Guy]

Kirk came up with the chorus riff. James came up with the other riffs, the interlude solo, and the lyrics. Lars structured the composition, and cliff helped compose the Melodies in interlude section. That song was 85% James, but it’s absolutely a notable tune where it really was about the “collective”. Every other member contributed their 5% or more.

[@Dontwasteyour]

This is pretty much rhe same for every metallica song

[@mneri84]

That would be a pain in the ass to say in every interview ever about every song questioned.

[@LETSpeakTRUTH]

There's some evidence to suggest that the riff they're talking about was actually written by Kirk as well. James doesn't remember or is outright not saying it's Kirk because it's often attributed to him and probably doesn't want to shatter that illusion. That's why he never really talks about which riffs are his. He's never like "When I wrote blackeneds solo riff, I was doing so and so". He's never really talked about things like that. But back to the main point. There's a exodus demo tape from when Kirk was in the band, which has a very, very similar style riff. So far that seems to be the closest thing we have to figuring out who wrote the 2nd riff (the spider riff). It seems like James wrote the first riff (descending riff) Kirk wrote the second, then everything aside from the chorus riff (Kirk) and the bowie riff (from Cliff) are jame's riff.

[@jye_24]

Exactly ahaha, I Love seeing Mustaine Stans cope because they can't handle how Next Level James Song Writing Is.

[@LETSpeakTRUTH]

@@jye_24 Not just that, but that Kirk himself has contributed a lot of great riffs. Not as much as James quantity wise, but quality wise they're among the greats. I personally think there's a case to be made that Dyers eve fast riff is written by Kirk or the initial idea was Kirk, edited by James and lars. It's his writing/playing style and is super similar to the fast riff in disposable heroes which is confirmed his, and his fast riff from trapped under ice. That type of riffing isn't something James typically did, and if it was his, it's obviously a kirk influence from writing and playing with him. I like Dave Mustaine as a musician but the people here saying that he wrote it are insane. The man would have said he wrote it years ago, which he has never done. Also, people act like just because metallica took some of his riffs, that makes him some credible source that never lies. The dude isn't truthful 100% of the time, and often lies or twists truths. Even Ron Mcgovney, the original Bassist often tweets out corrections whenever anyone from that time period get's something wrong. In the case of Dave, he's caught him lying multiple times. Even reading some of his early interviews in 85, will show you some very wild assertions that he's kinda stopped saying over the years. I just wouldn't trust his word, without proof. Most people shouldn't either.

[@lancelongie8919]

These guys were my heros since I was 5, born in 1986, watched everything on Mtv, back when it was about music!

[@peytonhammock2659]

I was that little kid screaming master because those are the only words I knew and my dad showed me a little part of himself that I’d never seen before and I’ll never forget

[@billmitchell2080]

My friens and i drove to the mall bought the tape, plugged it in listened to the whole album. Ive never been the same.

[@kamelinkyttyrat7043]

me too, found a band that i hate

[@Mr-Wonderful]

@@kamelinkyttyrat7043Good for you little buddy

[@Purpleakiindahouse]

Greatest metal tune ever

[@FATmonkeyCHRIS]

@@Purpleakiindahouse it's definitely up there. Not sure what tops it.

[@gorkism]

Creeping Death

[@soapbox187]

Thank you, Lars, for being the answer to the question nobody asked.

[@SigNeg]

Lars wrote the opening riff. According to Dave mustaine in guitar world magazine .That's why he would've said that

[@diaznuts5947]

as a kid when my uncle listened to this song I also yelled master! at the top of my lungs, growing up with it feels amazing

[@scotcornelius3295]

I'm pretty sure Dave wrote it from Megadeth

[@therealmasterchief4644]

He didn’t. Trust me Dave wouldn’t let us forget that🤣

[@crimsonelf3373]

This is not a Dave riff

[@ryandunn2930]

The way this is written screams James’s riff. It’s got the classic elements of James to it.

[@5stringking]

Old Metallica is James riffs with cliffs melodies and Lars Dynamics. Kurt adds his flavor with lightning leads

[@MrFlorinC]

Dave finally gave up crying about Met , you should too

[@devildozer]

When James says that it doesn't really matter who wrote "Master of Puppets", what he's really saying is that Dave is the one who wrote it.

[@deletedhero5579]

No he's not

[@devildozer]

@deletedhero5579 Maybe...how do you know?

[@deletedhero5579]

@@devildozer Because Dave didn't write it, he'd be credited if he did like his other contributions but James wrote this weirdly Dave said he remembers Lars writing the main riff of this song!

[@guitarmaxter86]

Dave did not write anything on that Album lol

[@xNobodyOfConsequenceX]

As an addict in long term recovery, Puppets will always be one of my favorites songs

[@MiguelRoss-xm9to]

"Is that your riff" "okay"

[@jackied962]

Dave was given writing credits for what he contributed on Ride the Lightning even though he was out of the band by the time it was record. It seems unlikely Dave would then not also be given credit on Master of Puppets if he had contributed.

[@robertborden2666]

It doesn’t sound like a Dave riff. Does everyone forget that James can write sick songs? Who wrote One, Harvester of Sorrow, To Live is to Die, Sad But True, Unforgiven? Yeah, dude writes better songs than Dave but Dave had him beat back when they began.

[@ShivaSeebaransingh]

Wow, It's clear that they didn't write the riff😢

[@Fireglo]

@@robertborden2666 people seem to think Dave wrote everything when in actuality he didn't even write 30% of Kill Em' All.

[@rickr.750]

@@ShivaSeebaransingh Lars came up with the idea. It's just playing the notes down the neck, which is exactly something someone who has no idea what they're doing on guitar would do. James then molded it from there. It was also originally played on either the d or the g string. This is according to Dave Mustaine.

[@innapinch7112]

"In our band, it's always been about the collective."- every drummer

[@MichealKrebs]

The greatest metal album ever. Master of puppets will never go away I'll be listen to that album till I die. My grandson loves that album too I played it once for him and that's all it took.

[@Rockett77]

James' nervous chuckle after saying none of it really matters anyway.....godammit James, just be a damn man and say what everybody already knows man!

[@deletedhero5579]

He would just say his own name it's called humility

[@PikeBishop1]

There's something seriously wrong with MD fans. You cretins are as bad as Swifties, what is wrong with you?

[@RandomYouTubeTuber]

Guys- I know it’s probably BS they don’t remember, and it’s true Dave wrote and got credit for songs on KEA and RTL, but Master is 3 albums in by then and every song on it is awesome- surely Dave doesn’t get that much credit. He was out of the band before they even recorded the first album. Megadeth has done amazing work too, but nothing stands out as iconic as Metallica tunes. Even Kirk provided Sandman and before that Jason gave us Blackened. I would sooner believe Cliff came up with it. But generally the only “collective” would be James and Lars. 😂🎸

[@benjaminlynch9958]

This is the correct answer. A lot of people have hard ons for Dave in this thread, but it’s no coincidence that their best material came after he was fired and Cliff started educating the entire band on music theory. To me, Dave’s riffs from that era were fast and technical, but boring musically beyond just the pace. The stuff they wrote after he left the band - with a huge assist from Cliff - was much more complex with layers of riffs, changing keys, changing tempos, etc. by the time they recorded this and were performing it in concerts, Dave had been out of the band for over TWO YEARS already. The only way Dave had anything to do with this song as his fanboys would have us believe, is if he was still trying to help out his buddies Lars and James two years after they supposedly stabbed him in the back. Does that sound like something Dave would do? No chance. And certainly not in 1985 when his own band was taking off.

[@michaelm9710]

@@benjaminlynch9958their best material was KEA. After that, whatever else you said was fine

[@Bongsters3000]

Megadeth is better

[@PikeBishop1]

I've never seen a more bitter and pathetic stanbase in my life than MD fans.

[@HeSavedMe]

I’m almost 💯 certain it was Cliff Burton.

[@mattfanslow]

I'm more inclined to think it was Dave's due to their hesitation. If it was Cliff's I am certain that they would be very quick to attribute it to him. Or they honestly just do not remember. If it really was Dave's and they say it is then maybe they'd be legally required to give him a writing credit. Honestly, if it was Dave's and they did give him credit and fair compensation it would only go to show how much they have grown and healed. About like former spouses finally being able to not only be in the same room with each other but also being able to honestly speak to each other's good traits. We all know how uncommon that is and I'm not sure that because they are all multimillionaires that they are to be held to higher standards. They are human after all.

[@Jm04937]

RIP Cliff....❤

[@deletedhero5579]

Neither Dave or cliff it was James

[@HeSavedMe]

@@deletedhero5579 20 years ago, it was like common knowledge amongst the diehard fans that it was Cliff Burton. the same man who wrote the guitar lead on Orion along with the bass and also instructed the drummer

[@deletedhero5579]

@@HeSavedMeIt wasn't, everyone knows Cliff wrote the riff after the solo - the one that was inspired by Andy Warhol. There is an old interview from 1986 in which Kirk says James used to play the master of puppets riff on the D string since 1984 as a joke excersise and that Lars eventually told him to play it on the E string. Apart from that Cliff wrote the bass swells intro on Damage Inc and the waltz riff on Orion. Cliff actually took some of Kirks solo on Orion, he deleted half of Kirks solo and played it on bass!

[@JayStar-yj9pu]

you be here every Saturday at midnight...and you LEARN them blues!!

[@easternag16]

I thought it was Kirks riff and James just added to it

[@JOEmfnAUSTIN]

Kirk came up with the chorus riff

[@4uhDamagecase]

"it doesn't really matter..." it sure as shit would matter in court if there were ever a question of royalties

[@deletedhero5579]

Well there isn't, so it's doesn't

[@arzabael]

The three second musical phrase that comprised the main riff of master of puppets was one of the dozens of little riffs Dave would noodle around with and the others would always playfully want to learn how to play it then he’d see them playing the riffs on different days to others and saying it’s their riff. Anyone who’s been in a band understands that’s basically everything about having more than one guitarist. And just like James said, that kind of thing “doesn’t matter”… while all three of them were pretending to not remember, not even knowing if each other remembers. My source: the same emotion based logic mixed with educated guessing that everyone else is using for their reasoning of why “it just sounds like a James riff”

[@deletedhero5579]

Definitely not a Dave riff

[@Lopez-my1bo]

Man all you Metallica hating Dave nut riding trolls love to lie

[@DaleLindsay]

Nope. Darrell from Pantera wrote the riff when he was 19 years old.

[@deletedhero5579]

@@DaleLindsay Wrong

[@CruisinRoute66]

I love this bands humility. That’s what makes them goats

[@Jay-Bah]

Ask Jason about the collective Lars😂

[@chrissmith7202]

It was Dave

[@Helena-gk4ui]

who tf told you that?

[@deletedhero5579]

@@chrissmith7202 it was James.

[@nasalegoboy]

"Okay" that was so fucking perfect

[@tomkruze2749]

40 years ago. Hard to Remember

[@nm112]

This old man is still on radio

[@meteorman6167]

Dave Mustaines riff

[@jimmyfaherty8588]

💯

[@deletedhero5579]

@@meteorman6167 no its James's

[@meteorman6167]

@@deletedhero5579 I doubt it, mustaine filed multiple lawsuits and gained some credits back for metallica’s 1983 album and had proof, mustaine wrote a LOT of Metallica material and master of puppets is said to be one of those legendary materials and I wouldn’t doubt it.

[@deletedhero5579]

@@meteorman6167 No Mustaine has never filed a lawsuit against Metallica, why do people make this stuff up. Dave was credit for his 4 cowrites on Kill em all since the day it released and even used to boast about it in early Megadeth interviews. Dave helped write 6 songs in total some of which he contributed no more than one riff. That's not " a lot" and he wrote nothing on master of puppets and he himself says he remembers Lars writing that riff so there you go.

[@zg2514]

@@meteorman6167 If Dave is still crying about not getting credit for writing Leper Messiah, do you really think he wouldn’t say something about writing Master of Puppets by now, especially with all the Stranger Things and Fortnite stuff lately? He would’ve said something about it on Joe Rogan. But he didn’t cause it’s not true. He wrote Phantom Lord, Jump in the Fire, The Mechanix and Metal Militia, songs they don’t even fucking play anymore and casual fans hardly even know those songs exist.

[@SheWasAsking4it]

Definitely Cliff.

[@TheAdrenaline85]

This is why I gotta give Howard his props. Bro was the first podcaster imho 😂 But the fact he interviewed Metallica and had them bring their equipment and put on a show while interviewing them in just top tier talk show host. Asks questions, then they jam a lil bit, then back to questions then back to the interview. Back and forth. This was awesome

[@JS-pe7uc]

Its mostly all down picked so it probably was hetfield's.

[@Lame.....]

Probably because they stole their early riffs

[@ryandunn2930]

Pretty sure cliff wrote the early stuff

[@deletedhero5579]

​​@@ryandunn2930He hardly wrote anything, James wrote the majority followed by Kirk

[@ranjansarma2994]

Answering such questions sometimes may cause misunderstanding in the band. James did right by answering in vague.

[@OnlyGoodSHHH]

and this is the difference between a fan of music and the artists who make the music. its all about the mindset, in virtually every walk of life. thing is, you cant force that mindset... you can tryyy. you can pretend you dont remember you coming up with that sick riff. but, deep down, you know who it was, and you want the credit. for true artists, like these guys are, that comes completely natural...and, in my opinion, a little thing like that is what makes truuuuuue greatness

[@JKAtTheInn]

the humility is refreshing

[@whitelion1111]

I remember 1986, these 3 tall stoner guys in the hallway at school (intermediate high they had long curly rocker hair with jean jackets, saying out loud in a hypnotic way "master' "master", i didn't know what they were talking about or why they were saying this until the following year, now i got it! And shortly after a few years about 1988 and 1989 the way my name is structured and letters, I was able to write my full first and last name together that simulated the Metallica logo on all my school assignment papers, amazing days back then in highschool

[@danielvuk3863]

James is one hell of a humble man. They all are.

[@kmanyrivers]

James is still in my top 10 guys I would !@#$ in a heartbeat.

[@hangnail316]

Howard is a shadow of the man he once was.

[@jmcrapo32]

Just saw them perform for the first time ever this last weekend. They played this song and it was amazing.

[@normw4705]

I used to listen to these guys and their fast stuff when I was doing indoor cycling workouts. Great motivation to push hard.

[@nicholasgilbert4227]

Master of Puppets was one of my sons bed time songs when he was a toddler. Wouldn't sleep without his CD.

[@HumorousHearsay]

Howard stern asks some really off the wall questions

[@xavierromero1588]

According to Dave Mustaine, Lars Ulrich composed the song's opening riff while Mustaine was still a member of Metallica. A riff from David Bowie's song "Andy Warhol" (at 0:48) is quoted in "Master of Puppets" (at 6:19). It is an homage made by Cliff Burton and Kirk Hammett to whom Bowie was a huge influence.

[@wtlandry2]

And Dave is somewhere, seething. But I still love you guys. Fuckit.

[@articfox1066]

It's a collective. Collective, yeah collective.

[@VoytekPavlik]

like communism ?

[@guitarmaniac004]

Gotta love how humble Lars is

[@patriciaengebretson5120]

I love that you say it doesn’t matter that much James . ❤❤❤ cause it really doesn’t!! We need to make more room in our life for more innovation and creation!! Love you guy’s!!! ❤❤❤

[@hchwhat]

Kirk didn’t come up with or revolutionize anything. He just played what he was told to

[@deletedhero5579]

Some of metallicas greatest riffs and solos are Kirks

[@grim7365]

James knows damn well he wrote that riff he was just being modest ❤

[@tylerreimer3013]

As a musician for 20+ years. I feel this. All you puppets wouldn't ever understand.

[@jeffstungis6960]

My 5 and 3 year old daughters love master of puppets.

[@Boggyboytad]

It's so interesting that when all these really big bands first started out they couldn't believe their best first hit was actually a hit as big as it was. Sometimes they even almost decided to not put that hit on their first album. 😊

[@charlessykes6753]

They all loved master of puppets ❤

[@ArcanaEric]

I don’t find it unbelievable that they came up with it during a jam session. Any decent guitarist who has collaborated with others has had those moments of “Oh shit, that little lick there sounded pretty good, how about we add this? Nice, but how about we play it like this? Why don’t we play it at this speed?”. Do that enough times between talented musicians and you’ve got yourself a song that nobody is sure who wrote it.

[@drewluna143]

They are humble enough to not take claim on shit so no one tries to be better than the other, causes fights and problems

[@brandivoiles5029]

Im willing to bet that this has been a tense conversation within the band in the past lol.

[@James-uk4xi]

The first time I heard this song I was 16, we had gotten hold of a 30 pack. Halfway through the night I walk into the room and my buddy's blasting Master of Puppets screaming "Master!!" "Master!"