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[@HellTriX]

I recently got 10 of their hyperion 405w bifacials. The FED-EX put a forklift through two of them. Was funny that they still produced good power. One of the broken ones was still doing 95% of a new undamaged one.

[@stevenfrazier8939]

In November we purchased a pallet (36) of 405 watt BiFacial solar panels by SEG. It was the last one that Signature Solar sold. They are the same dimension as the new Sirius Solar Panels and similar in every way. Today August 16th 2024 the 12 that are hooked up to PV1 on our EG4 18Kpv was producing 5,552 watts. That was 463 watts from a 405 watt panel in summer time. They are on the Brightmount rack system.

[@2hotscottpro]

It’s called a spike.Could have only been for a second. You have to add up wh charge.I have seen gain go for minutes and then gone. Pretty wild !

[@D3Dm-ef1]

How about a SOLAR PERGOLA. Easily tilt angles and also get the most use of biracial.!!!

[@lindafoxwood78]

Nice job!! Iadded 4,000 watts of panels last year and just laying on the ground. Got them now on wooden angled to the sun. Works for me.

[@SenatorPerry]

Please mount two or so panels standing straight up and down on the long edge with no lean. Capacity test. Early morning on main side, late evening sun on the bifacial side. Compare the results to panels to those that were as you have in the video on a ground mount lean. Look at the total output over the day instead of just as particular times. Add into your consideration snow where there would be no build up on the straight up and down panels and the snow would provide bifacial input. You may find it advantageous to have a ground mount stand that lets you change the orientation for when it is snowing.

[@AveRage_Joe]

I would Love to try that but I dont have an area that gets sun early and late due to all the trees I have. I saw Everyday projects with Dave video on doing that and it looks like a great way for those early and late rays!

[@Texas_Radical]

@@AveRage_Joe what about straight up and down on the roof?

[@tombrownca]

You are very brave to show us your regrettable mistake in allowing the panels to fall over. Therefore, you are precisely the novice I’m looking to learn from, rather than Joe Pros who whip past everything so fast that I don’t understand it all. Therefore, you’ve just earned yourself one more subscriber.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Might as well be honest and show everything good and bad. I also show every step for all other things, tests and projects so everyone knows I am not misleading. Thank you and 100% appreciate the sub💥🤘

[@wiremanibew]

Background in construction, would suggest ground mount, Roof mount is roof generation's, possible leak, plus the added weight in normal conditions, not counting snow and potentially falling

[@Tecknition]

Most residential areas aren't going to allow ground mounts, and even if they do you may not have enough open, unshaded space to make it viable. Roof mounts are really the only option for most people. More penetrations do mean more chances of leaks, but if done right the risks are as minimal as your normal roof leaking with the multiple penetrations for every shingle applied. And if your roof can't support 1-1.5k pounds over the entire installation surface area (the typical final install weight of a residential array), it might not be structurally sound to begin with lol

[@stevehall9256]

Correct. 40 years of contracting, roofing and carpentry causes me to heartily agrèe

[@ursodermatt8809]

i know you mentioned something of the neighbours not seeing solar panels, but that front yard seems to be ideal .

[@stevenfrazier8939]

Ground Mount for sure.

[@Bowhunters6go8xz6x]

Great panels Joe - RIP the one panel that is deceased LOL --- Absolute best would be to mount the new panels up on very top of the roof in full sun and don't worry about being Bifacial as these panels will make about 360 to 400 watts every day you have sun and that is far more than what your others are creating. ------------ What I really want to get on you about is not to go up on your roof to remove snow (very dangerous) and people fall and break, legs, ribs and backs every year doing that and roofs are made to hold the weight of snow up to about 4 feet deep. Roofs (especially in the North) are made to bear 40 lbs per sq ft for the weight of snow, etc. 1inch of average snow (wet snow weighs more) but the average on snow is 1" of snow = 1 lb per sq ft. so 1 foot of snow would average 12 lbs. Solar panels actually shed snow fairly quickly, their glass is so slick that snow usually will melt and slide off with just a few hours of sunlight over a couple of days so you may lose solar for 2-3 days before it melts and or slides off the panels. Your life is worth a lot more than a few days of solar production that you would lose. Sorry if I ranted too much ! LOL

[@seanandrewforin]

1000 watts per square millimter huh< thats some crazy power

[@retrozmachine1189]

Antimatter panels, but they don't last long.

[@Urugami45]

Light level: LASER😂

[@davidkeys6192]

I've broken two panels in the past like you did and I wrapped them with saranwrap and they worked just fine.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Interesting!

[@thedabbler2753]

Watch Prowse and all the others add the smash test now. Remember we saw it here first! 💥

[@andrewj99]

Paint the roof white, and put them there. That's what I did before installing Solyndra panels. BTW, you can urethane the broken panel.

[@shelley131]

You already know what you need to do, you just don't want to do it. Bifacials work best ground mounted and off the ground at least 3 feet so that ambient light gets behind. The only bifacial I have are 220W from EcoFlow and I normally get around 265W on each panel.

[@davidkeys6192]

Install heattape between the panel joints and when you get too a freezing temp they will power on and keep the snow melted away mostly. Will still have to do minimal brooming.

[@whattheschmidt]

Bifacial are for ground mounting imo. Bright reflective rocks underneath / in back of them would probably be great too.

[@Off-GridManCave-i6t]

I agree, cover the ground in white gravel or rocks. Make it look like snow on the ground.

[@daddio7249]

I got a full pallet of 24 460 watt panels, the one on the edge was smashed during shipping. I put a post in the ground for them to lean on, something I knew wouldn't move. I mounted the shattered one anyway, 8 months later it is still working. Florida, no snow to worry about, wind maybe, but not snow.

[@MatthewYBarbo]

I'm a little late to the party, but I vote ground mount or ballast mount! I like your idea of putting something reflective on the back side of the panels rather than the roof to assure you're getting all the wattage possible. Enjoyed the watch!

[@michaelhinton8608]

That is 1,000 W per square meter.

[@eazolan]

That can't possibly be true.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Yes that is correct. Sometimes werds just come out and I missed it lol

[@AdamDeLayDIY]

Glad to see stuff being assembled here in the US! Sorry about the 1 panel. Crazy that it still brought in as much power as it did though. Maybe you need to try and rebuild it w/ new glass... 😁 As far as the roof vs ground, I would go with the ground mount. Yes you'll have less direct light in winter but the you'll get more reflective light on the ground than you will from the roof (plus as you said, a whole lot easier to clear that snow off).

[@jackcoats4146]

We are near Nashville, and installed 20 panels replacing our privacy fence. Due to our shading we have microinverters, but the panels are installed portrait on our back fence and are bifacial. It world be best if the fence ran N/S but ours runs NW/SE, but it works, just not optimal. Our space is limited too. We have a high tension power lines running behind us so we don't have to worry about building or such behind us and we can cut the scrub brush that grows there. The other side is our back yard. Ours are 370W Jenko bifacials from Signature Solar.

[@wesdiezy]

You could mount them on the ground, but totally vertical with the front and back facing east to west. Many have found that you actually get more overall energy from bifacial panels in that configuration because they stay cooler, and you'd have more access to your yard. Although I'm not sure how your trees and other shade casting objects in your yard would affect that. in that configuration

[@Off-GridManCave-i6t]

Joe, Remove all the ground mounts and build a new rack with Sirius panels over white gravel, I want to see how they do with snow on the ground too, put the other ground mount at the back yard fence where cars crash. Put more non bifacial panels on the roof. I want to add solar to my sons house in Union, NE, thinking of using the Sirius Panels. Boom

[@AveRage_Joe]

Not bad of an idea which is the best idea. That would be the optimal way of doing it. Union is only like 30m from me. Where are you?

[@Off-GridManCave-i6t]

@@AveRage_Joe I am in Tempe Arizona, I enjoy watching your average videos on Solar and power storage. My son moved to Nebraska 2 years ago and works in Omaha, last winter he and his new wife were snowed in for almost a week and tornados knocked out power also, so DAD is looking into power backup, and I live not to far from SanTan Solar.

[@RCTVAccount]

Go for a ground mount to maximize the bifacial energy production. I wish I could add a photo.. I made custom wooden feet for my rack and used the signature solar rack on top. Then I mounted the 410W Sirius panels on top. The entire system is on top of finely crushed gravel so I get a lot of solar reflection. My racks can be adjusted to whatever direction I need in the different part of the year.

[@lightshow10]

Hi Joe! I have an idea that I’ve been playing around with for a while now. It’s one to help lower the maintenance needed on the solar panels during the winter. So up here in Wisconsin, you can buy this wire that you plug into 120v and is a low wattage wire, and it’s designed to melt the Ice and snow in your gutters and the first foot or so of your roof. The idea is to help keep your roof from getting an ice buildup at the gutters. Which can damage your roof. So my idea is to take a few of those and run them in one of a few ways, to help melt the snow and ice enough for the sunlight to hit your panels, so that they can start getting warm and melting most of it. So the first way would be to hot glue the wire to the back of the panel, in a up and down grid formation. Much like the heating grid in a floor. If using hot water heat. But if we did this with this wire, it could be enough heat to cause the hole panel to melt the snow and ice. Another way could be to hot glue it to the front of the panel, but this time have it run right over the silver bus lines that connect each panel inside the big panel together. In an up and down motion. This to would melt the snow and ice. And lastly, would be to run this heating wire all around the outside of the metal frame of the panel. So heat can transfur. What do you think? Think it could work? Ps. I still haven’t tryed your suggestion yet, mostly because I’m still thinking about which breaker to put in another’s spot in the transfer switch. But I think that’s an exultant idea. Thank you very much. Have a nice day!

[@stevehall9256]

Thanks. Joe. More good information. Still learning

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks for watching!

[@Songomx]

Hi Joe!!! Definitely go for the ground mount... don't waste bifacial solar panels extra energy on the roof. Good Luck!!!!

[@brainstorm3446]

That's nice that they gave you all of that, I tried to return a 3000w inverter for a 5000w and they want to charge me a restocking fee.

[@AveRage_Joe]

It was for sure! Im not sure on returns. I think a lot of companies would have a restock fee tho dont they?? I know a while back they had an upgrade program but not the same as what your looking for.

[@samwilliams2006]

Put non-conduct clear coat so glass that is broken will be more clear. You may be able to put mineral oil and a sheet of glass on top with silicone around it

[@YarLeo]

on the ground or as a fence (vertical installation). Because roof installation is a waste on bifacial feature.

[@johnhelms]

Dang, I hate you broke 1. I would use it for charging a power station if you have one big enough to handle it. I have been planning on going solar. I plan to mount mine on posts,high in the air in the middle so I can adjust for winter and summer with a brace at each in a number 4 configuration so it can't move with multiple holes til adjust. Also a bright white background past the panels to catch the light for the backside. I think it would work for you as the sun is low in the sky. Love the videos!

[@RobvanHaaren]

When panels fall over like that, even the ones that have the glass still intact may have micro-cracks in the cells. Would be good to test them out as well!

[@boomermatic6035]

Checking the comments for square millimeters instead of square meters QQ

[@DubStepAnonymouse]

Mount them on the roof on a tilt rack at the best angle and paint a big ass area under them the brightest flat White. 🤘

[@simonpaine2347]

I would seriously look at putting a pergola on the back of the house. Maybe use some of the regular panels and some of the Bi-facials to be able to monitor the difference. I have a car-port and a solar roof over my shed with 10 Jinko 530w Bifacials and I'm really happy with the system.

[@rickinphx]

Can you try turning the cracked panel completely over and see how much power you get. Maybe try a good one too just see how efficient they are that way. I don't have any no facial panels. Thanks.

[@jpbliss1]

Anyone can make a video by testing a functional solar panel. I came for the test on the shattered panel :^) Good job, Joe!

[@AveRage_Joe]

😆😆We gotcha covered💥🤘

[@DylanSaliba]

Ground mount FTW!

[@paddy2661]

Joe try mirrors reflexive stainless steel sheet on the new array your going to build in backyard for your new bifocal panels have mirrors at top of array so it catches sun low in winter and shines under array and helps in winter months , then change angle for summer months. A tip heated floor cable you can buy for out doors thermostat control, can use on plant beds , hot houses , roof gutters , waterpipes , snow etc , could attach to solar panel warm the glass and melt the snow BOOM job done more solar with no SNOW . Cheers Joe

[@flyshacker]

I really like your ground mount idea for exactly the reason you gave. I live in North Idaho, and snow is a serious consideration for 5 months or so, and I don’t want to be climbing my roof in winter all the time to clear the panels. I also like the 2-sided panels for power from reflection because the underside won’t get significant snow cover and should generate until I can brush the tops. I sure cringed when I saw your broken panel. Yikes, that hurt!!

[@AveRage_Joe]

You may even get moar snow and yes... its not fun getting up there to clear panels. If your roof is steeper then mine you cam use a soft roof rake which makes it nice and easy amd possibly from the ground. If thats not an option, ground mount for sure. My heart stopped when the panels fell over. I thought for sure 1 or 2 moar broke😬

[@elvindekle9835]

The back side of that panel looked fine . Until the replacement arrives. You might turn it around . That might balance your voltage . You didn't say what your running /string voltage is supposed to be. Just a thought.

[@BrightLights1772]

Time to source a solar pergola with a slanted roof (bit like your ground mount but a bit taller). Get the bi-facial benefit and higher up with good sun.

[@markocaribe]

I would look at a vertical mount. North to South. No snow issues and maximize harvest. Alternate front and back.

[@bensavage6389]

Wind sails

[@markocaribe]

@@bensavage6389 you can space the panels with 6" between to allow wind to pass through. If wind is too much - get a windmill,😉

[@jw3843]

If you have a good place for a ground mount position for them, that would be where I would put them. Especially since they are bifacial, unless you do something like paint the roof with some sort of reflective paint for them up there.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Ground Mount is a heck of a lot easier to manage!💥🤘

[@rodneyhunt]

I have broken a few lol. Good stuff and I say ground mount.

[@AveRage_Joe]

WHAT? You broke some of these or some in general?😆😆

[@rodneyhunt]

@@AveRage_Joe Other panels lol. The Hyundai bifacials

[@AveRage_Joe]

@rodneyhunt Ahh gotcha! Not the best feeling lol😬😬😆

[@Robertbush-s7t]

I know it is to late but for next time puy 2 2x4 on each side to keep them from falling Wend we work buy our self we have to make a hand domrtimes Love your chanel

[@chuckyaunk6040]

A good experiment would be to get some of those reflective thermal Mylar blankets and put under the panels to see how much increase in output. Pretty cheap on Amazon. ??? I’m talking those very shiny ones.

[@freddurstedgebono6029]

I found 425 watt, for 122 a panel (375 for freight shipping, min order of 4)

[@koolkevin2357]

I am leaning towards ground mount myself. Partially because of my (Partial) understanding that it would be better to change its position for seasonal changes - Is this even partially true? Partial answers excepted!

[@Mark-y9g2t]

Wondering how the output would be with a white tarp or something reflective behind the panels : )

[@AveRage_Joe]

White tarp ordered😁🤘

[@JohnEnergy2012]

Is the meter considering MPPT? Does it find the best point?

[@viper04af]

What happens if you place the more vertical ?

[@colormaker5070]

Ground mount and a methane monitor 😊 The next question is steel or wood. I’m sorry for the panel I guess you did not hear me when I said don’t cut that strap!

[@johnrichter9997]

What is rapid shutdown for?

[@wilty5]

Do they offer similar non bifacial panels of equivalent wattage for RVs and other mobile vehicles?

[@benc1927]

Greetings from the Republic of Texas!

[@AveRage_Joe]

🤘Greetings🤘

[@Sylvan_dB]

Those panels look really nice. When they pack them vertically like that, it sure is a pain to unpack them. :( The only way I've found is to stack some heavy boxes so I can slide a panel out but the rest cannot fall over. Then I can slide the box stack in toward the panel stack before pulling out the next panel. With your panels so far from the fence you'd need something front and back to be safe.

[@AveRage_Joe]

They do and are really nice panels! Sure is a pain to unpack by your self. I should have waited for the wife or a buddy but I got impatient.... Im sure I could have found something better to hold them but it was so hot and I wanted to be done outside. BIG mistake😏 It will learn ya real quick lol

[@mwreyf1]

Signature Solar has these for $187 also, but I think for the price, the Aptos 440W Bifacial Solar Panels (Black) | Up to 550W with Bifacial panels are better spec than these Sirius PV panels for only $176.

[@YarLeo]

You also has mamotion robot lawn mover?

[@gojeffgordon24]

I can’t believe someone hasn’t said this in the comments. Your panel crash illustrates the popular phrase, “Bros before Hoes” 😂 The bro wouldn’t let you down. On a serious note, a solar covered pergola would be nice for these.

[@edwardvanhazendonk]

You might need to do a SPAT test Joe for the optimal angle 🥳 nice panels!

[@hauk3839]

I want to see put on trailer that can be used for house and camping

[@menchelke]

Sorry for laughing at your smashed panel. I ordered a full pallet 31 panels, and I was like oh time to inspect them, and then I ixnayed that idea, as they were vertical stacked, and the pallet was in a terrible location. So my pallet sits still strapped as I figured it can stay that way until I need to get to the panels. Though I may be adding some 45 braces and 2x4s to the side of the pallet as I don't want some strap snapping after baking in the sun for a year and all my panels turning into dominoes.

[@AveRage_Joe]

NICE a full pallet!😲🤘100% troof my heart skipped a few beats when it happend😬 After I calmed down I was able to laugh so no worries🤘 Yeah adding some 2x4s to it if it might be a while would be a great idea.

[@frankbonde8582]

thanks for always good content, M2 is squer meter=1000mmx 1000mm. best greatings from denmark

[@Lauren-ci6uv]

Dear husband, do they make "solar tracking mounts"? I just made that up, but I feel like it should exist so that a person doesn't have to worry about facing the panels in exactly the right direction. Or.....what about like a disco-ball solar panel situation, that would be pretty sweet too. Also, this may be a stupid question, but what is the point of bi-facial solar panels, when you want to face the panel toward the sun? Did I miss that explanation? Ok, lemme know. It sure would be nice to be able to buy like 100 mini solar panels so that a person could line the top of a fence, or the gutter, or something like that, is that a thing???

[@ChrisHufnagel_Polymath]

Try to design a pergola with the bifacials on top.

[@robert5]

Ordering 10 with tax/shipping to MI 48843 would end up at 202.65 each not including any discounts. Pretty good.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Not bad at all! I will be ordering here as soon as I have the cash🤘

[@jackcoats4146]

Test the broken one. A little epoxy (see Total Boat) might help. Still won't fix it totally, but it might work to some extent. And a great DIY experiment.

[@Ecostainable]

We agree and love em!!

[@scottbarlow9259]

Mount them vertically as a fence facing east wes t alignment

[@AveRage_Joe]

I would but dont have the best area for that🙄

[@LeeWinkler]

I'm in Elkhorn. Is that where you are as well? I think the best use for bi facial panels is as a porch roof. But I'm a newbie to it. Build a gazebo with panels in top

[@AveRage_Joe]

Im over in North Omaha...😏😆 A porch roof would be cool as well. Ive seen a few gazebos that would look great with panels on top.🤘

[@p.b.7861]

I go with low White roof Gazebo or ground mount, as we get older roof is just for younger person.

[@dougiee6589]

Behold the power within!

[@AveRage_Joe]

💥💥💥💥💥

[@joejoe6949]

Would a silver metal roof work for bifacial solar panel ?

[@AveRage_Joe]

Yeah I think it would help a lot more over shingles. As far as how much, I couldnt say at the moment.

[@bpittman]

I just ordered a pallet of these last week

[@AveRage_Joe]

NICE!💥🤘

[@retrozmachine1189]

Shattered poly and mono panels still work but you've lost the waterproofing. The cell sheet will get damp over time and then your insulation resistance goes to hell. Thin film panels are dead if shattered. As an aside, with your panel meter/tester consider breaking out and filing flush the remains of the locking tabs on both MC4 connectors on the test leads. It makes life a lot easier when testing many panels. The fit of the plugs holds them in well enough for testing purposes, at least that's what I found with mine.

[@lightingnut]

Cut the trees down is one option. Then you wouldn't need so many solar panels. How much solar do you have on the house that is active. Seams like a whole lot. With the double sided panels you are going to need more height under them to get some sun back there. Better yet just mount them vertical with something reflective behind them. All will be good.

[@TheSpidersoftheworld]

Card board corners shading the panel.on your first test.

[@kylemiller769]

To be fair they could have made the shipping pallet more easily unloaded without risk of damage

[@MoharaniDas-em7qb]

Hi, are you interesting to review the 12v 300ah self heating LiFePO4 battery?

[@RUDY3098]

Have you ever wanted to install a duel tracking unit?

[@AveRage_Joe]

Yeah Ive thought about that as well. Ecoworthy has one but Id only be able to get just a couple on there. Back in the day I had a single tracking for my 12v system using a satellite dish mount. Think I still have the mount in my trailer🤔

[@jackcoats4146]

Radiance is in Meters Square (1 meter by 1 meter square), not Millimeter Squared.

[@wayne8113]

Thanks Joe

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks for Watchin!💥🤘

[@Paulwilliams203]

Go for ground matey, that’s a new project to cover 👍🏻

[@walter19882003]

Put em ground mount, easier to maintain If u do make em ground mount make sure they are high enough to mow underneath 😉

[@tjmooney4181]

Thanks for another great video

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks for watching!💥🤘

[@MiniLuv-1984]

You are getting a lot of power from the shattered panel. I expect as things corrode that will deteriorate. Why not put a solar verandah up - use the solar panels as the roof and keep it open on all four sides. Fully exploits the bifacial aspect and gives you some usable, covered space too.

[@Hotwarewireless]

Wow. Here in thailand 550watt Trina are $54 each

[@MikeSTGL]

Does anyone make a mount for roof that can increase the panel angle so it " self cleans " the snow off better ?

[@Time-Trvlr]

try a leaf blower to remove snow

[@Ritcheyyy]

Last week I bought 3x 660Wp BF Canadian Solar (china) for 130 eur per piece…

[@iiinsaiii]

If I was Napoleon dynamite I word say “ lucky! “

[@pvanderwall3473]

Ground Mount would be ideal

[@johnrichter9997]

Put on roof and buy the small snow blower

[@wiremanibew]

How much was shipping

[@AveRage_Joe]

Ill have to get back with you on that since they shipped them but Id like to order some when I get enough cash and would like to know as well.

[@offgridwanabe]

Ground mount easier to do without breaking any more.

[@AveRage_Joe]

But I broke this one on the ground...🤔😆

[@freddurstedgebono6029]

You dont want bifacials on a roof. You want those elevated

[@1mrgraphix]

Wow why would you want to mount bifacial panels on the roof? And sorry you broke a panel but at least it was free I broke one that I bought from signature solar and I know what it is like. I would recommend ground mount and a mount where you can change the panel angle for the time of year to maximize production. Steve

[@sNEAKYnIGHTmUPPET]

it's not millimeter square, it is Square Meter m2

[@dbf1dware]

True. And you know, it's a little funny that we "imperial" folks are completely used to saying and comfortable with "square feet." The snag for us is that "square feet" is usually presented as s.f. rather than f2 (sorry, I don't know or care to learn how to do a superscript). A more conversational presentation (s.f.) than the more scientific (m2). But hey, since I live in America (perhaps I should write 'Murca) and drive a massive pick-up truck (which I don't), I can (and will) happily mess up any metric statements that I can. Many of us do it simply because it seems to annoy the "metric people." I'm in the medical field, so I use metric more than imperial, but it's fun to see the metric people get flustered and annoyed.

[@sNEAKYnIGHTmUPPET]

@@dbf1dware if that was your goal then you won. eff u jus bean mercun, then I win. hahaha

[@dbf1dware]

@@sNEAKYnIGHTmUPPET A little of both. So we both win! Yay.

[@AveRage_Joe]

I Like the sound of that!!😎

[@AveRage_Joe]

LOL My Bad. Sometimes you start talking and wErdS come out😆

[@Mike-01234]

34 cents a watt not bad check out ARK-USA solar out of Colorado Solarever USA 550 monofacial .29 cents a watt . They have other panels are down to 24 cents a watt have to buy a pallet at a time. I don't have any connection to them just look for deals under 30 cents a watt guys on DIY solar have already bought some you can pick them up local in Denver save a lot of money. I also buy from Santan solar I'm local to them but their stocking of used has gone way down I suspect they might go out of business because they closed their GA office and of late reduced their stocking.