Adversarial Tesla FSD 12.4.3 Ride with Machine

After banging his Mom, I decided to give Machine a ride with the all new Tesla FSD 12.4.3. It got off to a bit of a rocky start, but got better from there ending with two zero intervention drives.

[@bingguo4297]

Machine has been pretty critical of FSD. If we get nods from Machine we are on the right track!

[@kiansong4940]

I hope that Full FSD will release in S.Korea and other nations asap.

[@alexandersmidt1316]

Full full self driving?

[@Antares356]

한국분이신가요

[@johnchristopher7697]

For when you take Machine’s Mom’s to In and Out 😂

[@simonnagy1]

lol

[@claudenelson8489]

That’s great. A good human driver would also follow the road signals with relatively minimal hesitation and just safely reroute 🙌. A bad driver would have lazily and illegally shoehorned into the other lane causing road rage issues. Well done FSD 🙌

[@pary327]

What is well done? It swerved all over the road and ended up doing a left when it should have gone straight on.

[@qqleq]

@@pary327without signalling

[@alivebythegraceofgod2935]

I really enjoy your videos, thank you for posting them.

[@locpham707]

Thank you, for doing this for all of us. Greatly appreciated.

[@Joe44944]

Thanks for posting these are highly appreciated 😊

[@gonzooxx]

Thanks for a nice and informative update on FSD 12.4.3. The parking feature seems to work very well, intuitive and quick to use. Hope it will come to Europe soon.

[@fedderd]

From ChatGPT: “A yellow light at a traffic signal typically indicates that the light is about to turn red, and drivers should prepare to stop if it is safe to do so. The requirement to stop at a yellow light varies by jurisdiction, but generally, drivers are advised to stop unless they are too close to the intersection to stop safely. It's intended to provide a warning to clear the intersection rather than accelerate to get through it before it turns red.” In my opinion, stoplights are one of the things FSD does pretty well (I currently have 12.3.6), including when and when not to proceed on yellow. Lane issues are a different matter - lane indecisiveness (lane dancing), choosing the wrong lane at an intersection and ignoring that it did so, whipping (and I mean frightfully aggressively at 60mph) into a very short left turn bypass lane when there isn’t even a another car turning left. FSD just makes bad decisions at times; there doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason as to when. Really troubles me that I can’t always trust it. I want this to succeed, but we need much more progress before I believe that full self-driving is solved. In my opinion, it’s quite a ways out, but I very much want to be proven wrong.

[@rog351]

Your statement; “ I am amazed at how well FSD does even with limited interventions” is the message you should keep repeating to your viewers. The vehicle is so terrific even though you may have to make an intervention occasionally. That is what people need to know now to convince them that FSD can be enjoyed Now as it stands and will keep on getting better. No need to be so skeptical as to the capability of this Full Self Driving Feature even though intervention at times will be needed this year. Excited for the advancements and for full self driving without even the need to keep your eyes on the road to most likely occur early next year is my prediction.

[@markl3893]

I'm looking forward to the day they send me the FSD HW4 version.

[@OlMossBack]

I really enjoyed the drive today. FSD is now good enough for it to take you to Hana. Plan your trip now 🌦️to Hawaii

[@Slebonson]

The eyes are starting to open won't be long now till they are wide open!

[@KGBos]

How about a cup of coffee?

[@Ivanprokov]

Wow, absolutely incredible!!!

[@MrScott_e]

Perfect example of why you can’t make videos using the same routes thinking FSD is Sooo much better with each iteration. Look! I love FSD and would not have any other car. I just want the ignorant to have accurate data and are not mislead in any way. Thanks and keep the videos coming.

[@nazzarenopisano652]

Agreed. I just got 12.4.3 yesterday and tested it out. Some things better, but still issues. Speed control is still TERRIBLE. Almost always, I have to force the accelerator to get to the set speed. Otherwise it takes forever (if it ever gets there) and I would be causing road rage in other drivers! There's also a controlled intersection I use every day driving home from work, usually later at night. If I'm the only car waiting at the red light, when it changes to green the car just sits there. There are no cars in any direction, and FSD has no idea how to proceed. This shouldn't be an "edge" case, it's a basic intersection with traffic signals, nothing special about it at all. I disengage and report it every time, but it's still not capable. Clearly still work to be done. I live in Canada, and can only imagine what this will be like with snowy conditions.

[@MrScott_e]

@@nazzarenopisano652 great example. Don’t get me wrong about my criticizing of Whole Mars. It’s just very misleading to drive the same routes, that FSD has apparently mastered, and suggest that it will be like that for the average person - it’s just not but it will be one day.

[@farbschlachterei]

@@MrScott_e In order to measure development and progress, you have to be able to ensure equal conditions. Mars ensures this by choosing a route that presents many different conditions, difficulties and requirements. It is basically an average journey.

[@Iampaynejr]

Pretty mind blowing...

[@TexanMiror2]

That was a nice drive! It still seems like an advanced student driver with excellent lane control but uncertainty around turns and intersections - but its gonna get better. I hope it gets better in Europe as well (and manipulated people and corrupt politicians don't slow the process down). lol at the finance discussion at the end there.

[@spacecadet1249]

I like your videos, specially when you narrate. I have a question. I have a 2023 Model X and recently paid for my upgrade from Enhanced Autopilot to full FSD. I got TeslaOS v. 2024.14.9 (which gave me FSD v. 12.3.6). I noticed that when I’m in the right lane of the freeway as I approach traffic merging from an on-ramp, the car wants to hog both lanes due to the right side paint line moving over. The car tries to stay in the middle of what it perceives as “the lane”, effectively cutting off people trying to get on the freeway. Have they fixed this in FSD 12.4.3?

[@Khari99]

The video description is insane lmao

[@rctezluh42069]

upvoted!!!! 🦾🦿🔋⚡️🛸🇺🇸🇺🇸🏁🏁👽👽👽

[@davidrounds3245]

Impressive actually. It was in the wrong lane, rerouted and did exactly what a person would do.

[@tafl-9198]

Nice drive 👍 and thumbnail reminded me that I kinda miss the vertical screen 😅

[@MaxEmberson]

Like your videos and other passengers. Can you please give stats at the end of the video - like number of interventions, kms in city, kms in urban areas - and compared with stats from 12.4.2

[@NicolasReid___1___]

Would it know a "One car per green light" dosage sign as we often have at hiway entrances in The Netherlands?

[@Alarix246]

14:00 yeah but then when it is certified by the NHTSA it would fail for such fail to stop on yellow, right?

[@arken5807]

it smart if can't get in take another route 👌👍👍👍

[@margaretesulzberger2973]

You should do this drive with machine gun regularly on garbage day with new FSD versions. Mountainous streets without middlelines is common surroundings for many people and Robotaxi should work every day and not only in SF.

[@slowberries]

Having just driven in in the states I'm torn as to whether multiway stops are a chronic inefficiency causing excess pollution and wear and tear, or, they're actually an effective traffic calming mechanism. UK small roads (surface?) always have a status with minors giving way to majors.

[@michaelyaziji]

Would you consider taking it out to a geography that might be less well sampled, such as Mexico? i’m quite curious to know just how generalizable its capabilities are!!

[@kiwimajic1]

I would call a accelerator press . A intervention.

[@markl3893]

Some do call an accelerator press an intervention. It's more appropriate to call it supervising. I consider the manual use of the turn signals and accelerator to be performance tweaking.

[@drewmorg.]

Agreed, the car just stopped in the middle of the street lol

[@nobrien1]

I hope that when I get this it is better in my locale. With my mix of city streets, state highways interconnecting towns/cities, and extended right turn deceleration turn lanes and acceleration lanes I find that 12.3.6 is unusable as I have to intervene so much it is not useful.

[@allanmobley940]

Long live machine!

[@kevinbergman8532]

lmaooo the first part was hilarious

[@happycamperinc.]

Oh it's none other than machine.

[@tHebUm18]

42:13 You live in California where new vehicle sales being EVs is like, what, 25%ish compared to the US as a whole of 7% (including California, so round down). FSD in California also seems much, much better. My free month trial in Minnesota on 12.3.3 had plenty of disengagements/interventions including 5 safety critical ones over ~750 miles.

[@AdamWood]

Who is Machine and how do I become his masseuse?

[@davidsaroa]

The first test: looks like google map navigation provide wrong direction. FSD was following google map direction, thus, "it didn't go so well." And the car headed into the DO NOT ENTER road. Google map needs to update that area.

[@Random_Einstein]

Is the description made on purpose lmao?

[@TM245]

Yup. I agree. Stand your ground Tesla through those hills. lol

[@MacBjorn]

Love FSD, ❤. But if this was robo taxi it failed in the first 5min

[@blessguy5330]

HELLO??? THE DESCRIPTION?

[@lonerjoshy]

LMFAO W description

[@toby-xo6rb]

I'm only here for Machine's legs.

[@guy-iw2qh]

I think you misspelled 'mom'

[@JMunaretto]

They're real, and they're spectacular

[@elenahadjiivanova7989]

First trip problems are entirely due to bad mapping. I don’t get why Tesla’s navigation is still so poor. It would even help greatly in lane selection.

[@philwelling7172]

Next logically step is to update maps based on drives that go wrong

[@user-ll3ll2kn2x]

UNBELIEVABLE. Many human drivers could not have navigated those hills or would have found it really scary.

[@VincentG991]

I have seen you have a more adversarial drive with your dad lol

[@nowteslafy]

How was the ride? FSD, not Machine's mom...

[@pontusa9533]

Man, can we at least have a time frame for FSD Europe!

[@stephenreese5921]

I believe that California DMV rules state that a vehicle coming downhill has the right of way!

[@gonzooxx]

I guess that when you have left the car, the FSD will driver over the street to 'Auto clinic' to get a happy ending

[@dreamburn1]

Personally, I wish Beta Testers would report when the car does something stupid. They took away my report button because I probably used it too much, but it's not like they gave me instructions on when to use it. I think, if twice in a row it tries to turn into a Do Not Enter, and then just stops in the road, it would warrant a report so the system can get smarter.

[@raspas99]

Oh my god will you stop using stop signs and switch to triangles

[@GrzegorzHoffmannGoogle]

driving against traffic is not safety critical?

[@VasuJaganath]

They are all Tesla and FSD apologists.

[@toby-xo6rb]

$TSLA: 10-15x in 5 + 5x in 10 = 50-75x in 15.

[@shaolin89]

Maybe, in the future, if the car is just programmed to "stand its ground no matter", interventions will go down significantly.

[@Robert…Schrey]

It isn‘t programmed. It is learned.

[@shaolin89]

@@Robert…Schrey Tesla can program things while it learns.

[@RichardSalmore]

Don't F with FSD...!

[@nickmcconnell1291]

I don't think 12.4.3 is where they want it. Too many other testers are finding it blowing straight through an intersection while in a turn lane. Guess it might be 12.4.5??

[@perengstrom3414]

My M3 LR Highland panic brakes for pink elephants at speed sometimes, you hang in the seat belt while the car goes BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! franticly trying to understand what is happening. Today I got paniced at 55 mph on a narrow highway and I accidentally jerked the steering wheel to the center of the highway while the other car swooshed by by inches. Been a Tesla owner 10 days and it has given heart attack about seven times in ten days. It has also impressed me by the way the adaptive cruise control lowered the speed temporarily passing through some twisty turns at 55 mph, it smoothly braked down to 40 through the bend and then accelerated back to 55 mph (80 km/h). Problem is our roads I think. Some of them have very worn out road markings, non existent at times. Scariest when it panic braked while steering outward the highway when meeting incoming traffic, big trailer truck coming over a hill surprising the Tesla, and me! A new car scaring me so many times in ten days makes me want to go back to my old dumb 2013 Ford Focus. It never scares me. Hope Tesla works out Swedish roads soon. The M3 LR Highland is a brilliant car, hopes the unleashed FSD sets the car free. And me.

[@SelfDriveLA]

on 12.3.6, the only interventions I really have (and they are consistent): Right lanes that turn into right turn only lanes Right lanes, like the one by my house that have parking outside of rush hour. These are a problem in my case, nobody parks there except the block that I have to turn at, my car pre-stages and always has to get back over and generally gets stopped until traffic clears because it is a busy road, when I manually drive, I never get over because I can see those cars for over a quarter mile AND I know there will be cars parked there, since Tesla's cameras don't look that far ahead, I don't know how they solve that. This is just one example spot, but lanes that allow parking are all over the city and the car cant handle that... mountain roads that are narrow, I haven't had a problem with on V12

[@6681096]

Nice job on narrow hilly roads: 17:55 19:04 20:06 23:33 24:17 32:20 34:03 Yes, yes these are massively wide & easy compared to Europe, but also look at the crazy hill test and Oakland and Sausalito hills tests and it does surprisingly well on tough twisting mountain roads.

[@CarlosContrerasss]

It is really fun to see youtubers working furiously to see a product improved that will kill their youtube channel! At the end of the day, when FSD works fully, there will be no need for the videos.

[@philliptemple9841]

You really think it will be KZbinrs actually posting the videos and not Optimus robots by then? Phillip.

[@thankyou_ross]

I know Elon would be adverse but an overlay within the software of road/lane closures, signs, rules, restrictions, and directives, lanes, from local DOTs just seems to make sense (i’m assuming it already gets disaster areas, emergency evacuation routes, etc). Note: a car operating in Boston is very very different than a car in LA or SFO.

[@placeofmind1510]

아직도 악셀이 필요하네 에라잇

[@JaroslavSykora]

In the '30s, when useless debates between ICE and Electric propulsion are over, and the FSD is improved just a bit, Tesla is gonna make a killing by including the self-drive feature as part of the basic package. This is the future of a car.

[@ganesani5323]

Can you make vr videos🎥❤

[@Fatman305]

None of the Tesla yters are sophisticated enough to do vr180 or 360 vids... It's the obvious classic use case for it...

[@happycamperinc.]

FSD Can be solved in india just train on Indian safe drivers driving data.

[@chrishosking6842]

Going by Indian drivers in Australia (not all, but most) I don’t think that’s a wise idea.

[@kurtjensen5798]

"off to a good start" you say after it just made two mistakes the first 500m 🤔and 5 mins later: " this is what i like, it just doesnt give up" right after it just gave up and stopped in the middle of the road..

[@teslatalk42069]

That is correct on the D for the first drive. That was a lot of mistakes with an accelerator press and a steering wheel takeover.

[@DanielEarlester]

BMW driver pwned 😂

[@health101DOTorg]

When you had to take over at 5:54 I didn't see a prompt pop up on the screen to tell Tesla why you had to disengage. Did they do away with this feature?!!

[@TeslaElonSpaceXFan]

😍

[@pary327]

This tells me full autonomous driving is a lot further off certainly for Tesla. I think Wayve are much more progressed for their self driving software.

[@cosmocalisse]

FSD videos outside of city cores have become pretty redundant since 12.3. We need to better understand if unsupervised FSD is viable in true city cores with high population density like NY or Toronto. It still feels several years away from being able to autonomously handle that. Even when it's making no mistakes, it still behaves like a driver with alzheimers who can never remember there's a new construction bottleneck down the street, or that a slow side lane means people are lining up in advance of a turn, or that yesterday's shortcut ended up being a good or bad idea. Many turns here in Toronto are restricted by time of day, and even if FSD learns to read the signs, it's already too late and a human would have picked a totally different itinerary to start. It seems to me that the only realistic goal for FSD is to reach the level of a super safe human driver with ahlzeimer's, and passengers will require lots of patience - until they update the hardware to a point where it can remember months worth of its own driving experience on a car-by-car basis.

[@FoundingFathersUSA]

I'm seeing the Tesla FSD has way more navigation problems than driving problems, exactly like people who learn to drive just fine but get lost all the time. The question is: Can Teslas learn from each other about the roads, making them rapidly be more experienced than any one human.

[@KsNoz]

This version makes me question if robotaxi is really a good idea already? Earlier versions seems to be more sophisticated. its really like one step forward 2 steps back at this point.

[@matty7834]

Haha robotaxi is at least a year away. There’s no plans to release it before FSD is ready

[@KsNoz]

@@matty7834 we will see on 8/8, dont underestimate elon and his timelines, i would not be shocked if he reveals robotaxi start this year in china or something. we will see, but world wide robotaxi fleet will take serveral years, perhaps decades.

[@joeybagadonuts1206]

Right out of the gate. The lane wobble is an issue that must be resolved. It confuses other drivers and is not safe. This is the biggest issue with 12.3...and still exists in 12.4? Disaapointing.

[@donaldbatts7250]

If these guys were eating an apple and bit into a worm, they would say "Great, more protein "!

[@karlwolf2]

Merc is level 5

[@Matzes]

Opel is level 8

[@FriedChairs]

Level 5 but limited to your driveway.

[@RyanWilmot]

It's becoming clear that Tesla's are going to need AGI to fully solve real world FSD. FSD ultimately will need to understand signage, hand signals from other drivers, police officers directing traffic, etc. This will require massively more compute power than currently available in the car.

[@bingguo4297]

You can use LLM with your iPhone, which is not a massively powerful computer. Why the Tesla car needs such a computer?

[@RyanWilmot]

@@bingguo4297 That would just be for a tiny text only LLM. A universal robo taxi per Elon’s goal is going to need to be full multi modal AGI that understands the real world in great detail , reliably and in real time. Tesla could instead serve very limited zones like Wamo is doing, but that won’t help many people. Even now they are running out of inference compute on the current hardware and FSD is far from Elon’s goal. What we have now is a very good driver assist system, which is still great.

[@bingguo4297]

@@RyanWilmot HW4 and HW5 are more powerful even though HW3’s potential is still not fully explored.

[@RyanWilmot]

@@bingguo4297 Elon just tweeted last week that Tesla's latest model with 5x more parameters will need new hardware. People are assuming that he is saying HW3 has reached the end of the road. So it looks like we'll soon see what HW4 can do. HW5 should come out next year. Hopefully HW5 will be powerful enough to read signs and understand human interactions like a Police officer at an intersection, which is necessary for a universal Robo Taxi.

[@madness008]

whenever wholeclown has a passenger/witness, there are multiple interventions.

[@VasuJaganath]

The moment you take it out of SF and nice suburbs of southbay FSD became utter trash. Lucky there weren’t cops around otherwise you would have gotten pulled over atleast. This is really unusable in any semi-confusing roads (which is 99.9999999999% of america)

[@health101DOTorg]

Yes, Level 2 FSD forces you to stay off your phone and just relax, but then we get to Level 3 and we're back to our phones and not relaxing.

[@JaimeLee-wr7rx]

Tesla navigation map sucks! keep making navigation errors.

[@stephenreese5921]

I disagree! A yellow light indicates “Prepare to Stop”, not accelerate to avoid to Stop. Your comment shows ignorance and a heightened reliance on risk. This is where experience and the possibility of an accident come into possibility come together.

[@Nunya-lz9ey]

Weird. Omar’s videos are only bad then there are other people there.. it’s almost like he’s a liar

[@qqleq]

11 miles per hour… extremely slow.

[@d3rk11]

D minus

[@paragone]

Some of the worst commentary on any video on your channel. I expect more from you and any of your guests.

[@josephohara7407]

I'll give it an F. I do like the screen though.

[@health101DOTorg]

Omar, may I respectfully ask why (at 00:39) you didn't force the wheel to pick a lane which would disengage FSD which would give you the opportunity to record a VM telling Tesla why you had to disengage? This appears to be an ongoing issue, which was about to result in a low MPH crash for James Locke, so Tesla needs to know every time this indecision thing happens.

[@TuneupMagic]

And this post "Tesla FSD 12.4.3 drives like a professional chauffeur." by @WholeMarsBlog on X, dated 5 Jul 2024, couldn’t be further from the truth.

[@BillBadMule123]

🥰😍🤩❤💯💢💥💫👍