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[@KrisoVT]

I expected 66% AMD fault tbh.

[@eNoqfOu]

This just goes to show that everyone is biased, I'm sure Frame Chasers truly believes he's neutral and data driven but man these are the blind spot he doesn't see. It's okay to admit you're an intel shill and/or AMD disliker.

[@alemanmx1980]

I was about to lose it when you wrote “data driven” because thats exactly what he isnt, then I kept reading hahaha, damn straight.”

[@Zoomborg]

His whole business model would become irrelevant if he was to promote AMD CPUs since you don't really manually tune those beyond doing a curve optimizer which is 30 min testing and even a baby can do it. Shilling for Intel is part of the business to sell his overclocking "services".

[@ryanze26]

let's buy 700 usd unlocked cpu, then underclock it to cap it and make sure less bluescreen appears

[@eilegz]

at this point why buy i9, just get an i7 or ryzen

[@fracturedlife1393]

Put in full featured £500 board with £200 tuned ram. Invest a chunk in cooling. Down clock CPU. Some Fix 🤷 Hopefully some "dreaded" bios updates will resolve the issues satisfactorily for all.

[@hadleys.4869]

If people are going to buy a 13900/14900kS they better have a custom loop and be knowledgeable on what they are doing in the BIOS. These are overclocking CPUs.

[@ryanze26]

@@hadleys.4869 this is special case, 14900ks is degrading too fast even not under overclocking. i know people fine with 13900k/14900k but not with 14900ks.

[@maxpower18]

I'm chilling here with my boomer 10900k. I want to thank people on both the Intel and AMD side for alpha and beta testing these new limits and technologies.

[@Kritter4life]

Right here with you. P-core e-core bull. Just set frequency, ring and voltages

[@dianaalyssa8726]

I remember when my friend got a 10900K 3090 like it was yesterday, do think that was 4K well spent. 12900KF 4090 I have is actually fine (I did turn off MCE with all this going on to be safe). None of my 12th gen rigs have issues, I was thinking of upgrading them but then this all came out. I had read before the crashes in some reviewers machines, so clearly it wasn't like nobody knew outside of the enthusiasts that something was a bit off. I waited a bit for things to mature though AM5 motherboards had their issues with power limits also. I do think the motherboards should have more options assuming a baseline default and then have some enthusiast options. 12th gen it's been a separate issue with DDR5 tuning and speeds.

[@AngelLopez-zy8tu]

11900k over here…

[@jamesrodriguez8899]

10700k here. Holding out for zen 5 for my next upgrade🙏🙏

[@Kritter4life]

@@jamesrodriguez8899 I think I’m going to hold for the 16900k

[@psobbtutorials6792]

Ytuber recommends intel, because it just works. Then blames the user for not knowing as user error

[@kramnull8962]

I bet B550, B650, B660, B760 rolls off your tongue like a hot dog in July. "All you need is"

[@selmevias1383]

Solid bait mate.

[@bosco9028]

He is hilarious and a scam. What about his BS about you can't play and stream on AMD nonsense. When there are plenty of guys on youtube playing in 4K and streaming stable, no dips no BS for 4-6 hours straight on 7950X3D single PC setups. This guy has become a joke with all his backtracking and trying to follow the latest trends in the social gaming landscape. But he is always late. Imagine charging $500 to poor id1iots who don't know better so he can copy RAM settings he found online for free from forums. That is why this guy has been kicked out of all overclocking forums online.

[@mariolp2999]

lol

[@dominiquevanwyk518]

not sure i agree with the 33% user error statement, this shit is supposed to just work, cant expect all pc customers to be framechasers discord members. Lets say you do high level 3d editing or whatever stresses the cpu, you just wanna buy a high end PC and get to work and not waste time and money playing around with voltages and what not

[@kramnull8962]

I see you haven't been around for AMD's last 4 Ryzen releases. They've had to release 4 bios for every Gen..... Steve at GN beating his head against the wall, and having his sidekick on a live stream throw a 5950x on the floor because the LN2 overclocking went to shit.... Way back in the back of your mind now eh?

[@nimbulan2020]

@@kramnull8962 Yeah don't remind me of how many times I've had to update my BIOS over the course of 3 years just to get a stable system. The AMD experience.

[@666Necropsy]

buy from dell then and not enthusiast products

[@maskedlover8768]

no of course, it is 100% user fault for choosing Intel =]]]

[@ChrisAzure]

There's non-K CPU variants for those who don't want to waste their time dealing with voltages.

[@khoavu1341]

Definitely intel's fault because they knew about it and did nothing until it blew up. And then they threw the mb vendors under the bus lol

[@1320MotorWorks]

and more than 33% 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@marcgallant5270]

Userbenchmark is going to have a meltdown lmao😂😂😅

[@scottstamm7022]

If you google CPU results or benchmarks, and see "Userbenchmark" just flag it as unrelevant, etc. Eventually it'll get removed from front page recommendations.

[@skorpers]

Nah, they'll just say AMD's neanderthal marketing army manufactured it all

[@MauriBT]

Is youtuber fault, all suggesting remove PL limits, turn off C-States, turn on elevate performance energy profile, all bad for these CPUs.

[@scottstamm7022]

😮 How dare you tell Jeffoos he's wrong for having you turn your 14900K 400W CPU into Chernobyl!

[@a120068020]

I had to rma two 14900ks through instant instability. Others have been ok.

[@scottstamm7022]

I'm sorry to hear. Try another but use the default Intel Baseline profile, maybe it'll fix your issue?

[@a120068020]

@@scottstamm7022 They were bad. I remember them being better at Intel limits but prime 95 still had threads with errors. No CPU should be that hard to get stable out of the box. They are back with the supplier and I have my money back thank goodness.

[@psobbtutorials6792]

I buy Intel, because "It just works"

[@shephusted2714]

zen5 looks even better now

[@scottstamm7022]

Jeffoos is gonna blow a gasket seeing these comments! hahaha

[@santazii2]

33% inter 33% mobo 33% user 1% Jufes

[@fiswis2]

🤣

[@Ascendor81]

I just set my 13900k to offset of -25mV, turned on XMP on 7200Mhz DDR5, and set vdroop to lvl4, on MSI tomahawk z790, no issues since release of the CPU, over a year now?

[@m8x425]

That's about what I set mine to.

[@bigpoppa1234]

I had a 13900k with a similar undervolt no issues (until I tried to delid it and broke it), and a 14900k now on a -0.055v using 5.5p 4.1e and had no issues and still get C23 all core score of 38,500 (and at ambients around 25c highest core is not going much about 90c). Maxes out 1.3v and only uses about 220w. There's no way this issue should exist, the 13900k and 14900k could be super stable and very efficient but the chase for pointless cinebench points.. doing 5.6p/4.4e you're only getting another ~2500 cores but wasting anywhere from 50 to 170 more watts

[@Manicmick3069]

Did he just say he's not here to whine on the internet. Bro, that's all you do😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pf100andahalf]

lol

[@Shen3002]

So when Intel said that unlocked limits are in spec they lied? Intel is dirty for throwing the mb manufacturers under the bus for this one after they said if the is no limits its all good just dont touch the multipliers.

[@rozzbourn3653]

intels limits are 253w when boosted. they didnt restrict the mobo manufacturers on this and they are boosting upwards of 350w with voltage spikes at like 1.6 or 1.7 to make their motherboard seem better than others. everyone on youtube was aware of this from the get go through their power consumption tests. so the motherboard manufacturers are overclocking the cpu's and intel is looking the other way because it makes their product look better. what should happen is that the limit should always be 253w out of the box with stock clocks, and the user should oc it themselves if they want to. i think it would only be 10% user error on this because of all the information on it, the rest is split between intel and the board partners.

[@Shen3002]

Ian Cutress: One of the things we’ve seen with the parts that we review is that we’re taking consumer or workstation level motherboards from the likes of ASUS, ASRock, and such, and they are implementing their own values for that PL2 limit and also the turbo window - they might be pushing these values up until the maximum they can go, such as a (maximum) limit of 999 W for 4096 seconds. From your opinion, does this distort how we do reviews because it necessarily means that they are running out of Intel defined spec? Guy Therien: Even with those values, you're not running out of spec, I want to make very clear - you’re running in spec, but you are getting higher turbo duration. We’re going to be very crisp in our definition of what the difference between in-spec and out-of-spec is. There is an overclocking 'bit'/flag on our processors. Any change that requires you to set that overclocking bit to enable overclocking is considered out-of-spec operation. So if the motherboard manufacturer leaves a processor with its regular turbo values, but states that the power limit is 999W, that does not require a change in the overclocking bit, so it is in-spec.

[@ZomgZomg007]

You say 33% Intel, 33% Mobo, and 33% User. However, this is 110% Intel's fault. Intel gives vague baselines, which both ASUS and Gigabytes version of "Baseline" is different. Intel don't care and give motherboard no limits which has the following Intel wants to compete with AMD, so they don't give clear limits to Motherboard companies. Then motherboard companies compete with each other, so they push their luck in 'default' as this is where most benchmarks are done. This is 110% without a doubt intel's fault. I don't know how your not getting that, 99.9% of the world isn't going to understand that 'default' in this case is actually overclock mode.

[@Shonkuk1]

Thats not really a fix that just locking the cores so it isnt triggered as much the fix is. PL1/PL2 isnt the main issue and is just a red herring Asus/Gigabyte/MSI etc have been playing fast and loose with Load Line (LLC) + AC/DC Load Line with asus being by far the most agressive Load Line Spec (LLC) 1.100 mOhm (Standard or Normal) DC LL Same as LLC 1.100 mOhm (So Reported power is correct) AC LL Same as DC LL 1.100 mOhm (but a superior board design can lower this so trust your manufacturer default for this 0.600 mOhm 13900k 0.700 mOhm 12900k Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite AX) I have Heard of some Asus Boards using 0.28 mOhm for AC LL which i think is way to low and the cause of alot of problems coming from asus that is just crazy low and the vrm load line just cant keep up at times e.g. if i set my AC LL to 0.500 mOhm from what gigabyte auto set 0.600 mOhm i will also be crashing so gigabyte are already pushing the boat out and are close to the edge at 0.600 mOhm nevermind what asus are setting lol Droop is there for a reason I have been manually setting mine to spec above leaving Gigabyte to set AC LL on my 13900k + 12900k with unlimited pl1/pl2 both are rock stable the 13900k scores 41200 with Cinebench R23 Passes 24 hours karhu with fpu load / Prime 95 AVX Small FFT etc etc..

[@styloxcrypto]

this has been the only fix to me as well not changing frequencies or pl1 pl2. Only fiddling with LLC & AC LL

[@wiccanTV]

You're correct. I have an unstable 13900K running on an Asus ROG Maximus Z690 Hero. Problems began about 3 months ago, out of the blue. None of the "common" tips worked for me: setting Intel's stock power limits, disabling ASUS MCE, down boosting, setting the boost at a fixed number, turning up or down the Vcore offset, etc. None stopped the crashes until I learned, by miracle, about the LLC and adjusted variables there. I'm negotiating with Intel for a refund, not being easy. And by the time I began troubleshooting the i9, I had already been reading and troubleshooting everything else. Very frustrating, time consuming and I can tell most users won't go through all this or even have an idea of how to...

[@MoltenPie]

@@wiccanTV it just works

[@laszlozsurka8991]

Average users don't even buy i9... they buy an i7 tops. So this problem is only for the enthusiasts who needs an i9.

[@blacksamuraisoffendme]

It happens with i7 13700k as well so wrong

[@robman8348]

I have an i7 13700k and it just works. Never had a blue screen. Only ever had a game crash because of GPU overclock which it tells me when it happens. But I only play games I never mess with Cinebench.

[@blacksamuraisoffendme]

@@robman8348 then don’t worry about the video. It’s for the multiple users that have been experiencing issues that intel knew about years ago.

[@bodasactra]

You told everyone and their brother to buy these space heaters and OC them. Then you tell us to go to Discord when it just got hacked. If you told me to breath right now I would hold my breath.

[@Greez1337]

It's funny you say that, when he really doesn't. He tunes and makes systems that perform the best. Same with the folk in his discord. If you just wanted to "game" as a regular joe I don't think Ivan would be telling anyone to go out and buy a 13900k, KS, or 14900K,KS.... matter of fact I'm pretty sure he loves the 5800X3D for that. Like, the audience here are tweakers and tuners. he talks to the audience, not the average tech tube viewer. That being said, it is dumb that someone buying a chip has to be a troubleshooter.

[@johnnyringo35]

Breathe is the word you were looking for...but holding your breath is correct. As to him telling you to overclock. Overclocking is always a risk. I've been PCing since the mid 80s.... So blames Jaffes is shirt sighted on your part. Then again most of the younger generations have no concept of self awareness and responsibility for ones own actions. As an example our fathers would say well..... " Would you jump off a bridge because someone told you too"..... The obvious answer is no....and I wouldn't OC anything unless I knew what I was doing. Sounds to me like you are uneducated in the matter but want to the hip cool OCed PC kid. Maybe stick with consoles.

[@666Necropsy]

if you can build a computer you better learn how to use the bios screen. if not people should return to buying dell and hp systems. they might hold ur hand.

[@psobbtutorials6792]

@@johnnyringo35 Alright? You get Intel and it just works no longer his most quoted statement or what am I missing?

[@InnocentiusLacrimosa]

​@@psobbtutorials6792just do a manual OC. It disables the weird boost algorithms. FC has been recommending manual OC always so it is consistent. That being said, for some users, the out of the box non-OCd systems are currently unstable. I have an AMD system myself (5950x). I also did manual OC ages ago to disable the boost algos and to get consistent stutter free performance. Alternatively just press a single toggle in BIOS to enable Intel recommended power limits.

[@joshuapicarello]

It's 100% Intel's fault by allowing AIB Board partners free reign to "Unlock limits" for their specific bios. If intel would've made it clear about their spec sheets, and what was within safe parameters, then we wouldn't be having this problem.

[@timothygibney159]

Intel did give a spec. It’s disabled by default on all boards

[@joshuapicarello]

@@timothygibney159 Actually, no. They're enabled by default. That's why CPUs are performing far beyond Intels' spec because it's simply plug and play. All these higher end boards have what's essentially unlimited package power draw from the CPU set by default, everything on auto. This is due to Intel being negligent in their arrogance thinking their chips can handle whatever AIB partners deem suitable for their boards. When in reality, it's pushing far outside of reasonable spec for these chips. So Intel is fully responsible for this. The partners simply followed what Intel told them.

[@timothygibney159]

@@joshuapicarello That’s the board the sets the power. Not the chip. AMD is bad too with 95c by design. I see lots of worn out chips ahead of

[@joshuapicarello]

@timothygibney159 I know. The board sets the power, while the CPU draws what said board allows. Intel specifies 307A - 253W base profile limit is safe, with 400A - 320W in the extreme profile for KS chips only. The problem is that Intel never instructed them to stay within those limits for the K or KS series. So they essentially removed most of said limits by default, resulting in our current predicament. At the end of the day, Intel is responsible for instructing AIB partners as to what is reasonable but still within spec.

[@joshuapicarello]

@timothygibney159 and AMD never intended their chips to operate long-term at 95c. That's the maximum temperature allowed that is considered "safe" before throttling. Intel is even higher at 100c - 115c.

[@ZomgZomg007]

"user error" What ?

[@MoltenPie]

you should have locked all core frequency. if you didn't it's your fault your cpu is crashing. amd is trash by the way

[@pf100andahalf]

@@MoltenPie So somebody's grandma that got a pc with a 14900k is supposed to know to do an all core. Get out of here with your intel shilling.

[@maveric19871]

Winter time, average: intel 14th gen 200W paired with 4090 or 7900xtx +-400W nice hot air. For the rest of the season u need to buy AC

[@cemsengul16]

Can anyone recommend me settings for acoustic noise mitigation on an Asus Dark Hero motherboard on latest bios? I don't understand the true/false fast or slew rate shit.

[@Mxgtumgoten]

My 14900kf crashes on desktop with stock settings z690 unify x. Had to manually set it 5.6 ghz and load line 3 - now works 100%

[@1BlinkwithAngels82]

So glad I don't have to deal with AMDips because my Intel CPU just works. Might be unstable after a few months and it's Intels fault, who cares it just works. Maybe a huge mess and motherboard vendors can't figure out what to do, but it just works. I guess it kinda doesn't work, but whatever it's better than trying to convince myself that AMDip isn't a thing.

[@miyagiryota9238]

How’s the $30,000 intel rigs doing in base performance😂😂😂😂

[@JohnnyEMatos]

"It just works" was a lie all along

[@unqualifiedexpert]

😂

[@pav1u]

hes paid by intel.

[@dabagz1]

IT JUST WORKS 😂

[@rubenmoreira0]

Yap

[@666Necropsy]

@@pav1u his contract is for like 6 million a product release. that's why he sells bundles and dog doodoo memory.

[@khalifamohm1391]

after we sync all cores..... what we do with multicore enhancement ? let's bios optimize or disabled enforce all limits? .. for me i dont have any issue i use let's bios optimize

[@KyleStylesOthers]

Thanks for not cursing as much. Girlfriend hates me if she hears you.

[@SKHYJINX]

What a petty thing to be upset about..

[@johnnyringo35]

🤣. Weak man weak....if you are in your house you are the king. Even if she is the queen....she still needs the approval of the King. Otherwise you are her 🐝 yatch. What happened to all you "men". Pathetic. Don't twist my words either. My wife is my partner. She's told me I'm the only man she's ever felt safe around. Because get this I'm actually masculine....put her in her place when needed, and thus she knows I'll do it when she needs protection from some creep. Your gal doesn't respect you. It's that simple. I see divorce in YOUR FUTURE. Now listening to this in public or at someone else's house that's different.... respect their boundaries as you'd want yours in your castle. However the moment you as my King let others run your kingdom and make decrees..... You are no longer king....so you to gave your crown to the queen. Good I'm luck with that

[@papasmurf5598]

I frankly love the F Bombs because it's a break from the normal KZbin standard channels. I asked him one time why his channel doesn't show more subscribers and he said it's because he curses, and KZbin has his channel kind of gimped. So, he doesn't get money. His gets his stuff mostly free form his die hard discord fans who send him stuff and he sells bundles and all that. He should have over a million subs easily but its always stuck at the same number. Hés honest and that's why I like his channel. He tells it like it is.

[@djfbrje]

This worked surprisingly well. Previously I undervoted the CPU as shown by others, which worked to reduce temps. But when I saw the cpu always trying to boost to 6Ghz I tried the method in the video. I had to increase the voltage by a bit (1.35v in stress test as opposed to the 1.30v before), but the cpu now runs 10C cooler in games with no loss to performance at all, since it could have never reached 6Ghz in game (or even at desktop) with the settings before.

[@evenblackercrow4476]

Yep, that's been my first go-to setting since 10th gen.

[@BAG97]

hahah glad i never fell into the intel cult. 7800x3d rocks!!

[@ZackSNetwork]

Only at gaming.

[@BAG97]

@@ZackSNetwork i do nothing but game. My phone does the office stuff 😀😄

[@felyxification]

socket 1700 rip. and never walk back.start this socket,jump up problems.bios shit.pciexpres shit.black screen shit blue screen shit :D

[@blacksamuraisoffendme]

SHOCKER the dude selling $2k cpus is blaming the users. None of this is our fault. It’s their fault for knowing and letting it happen just for benchmarks. And if the government had a backbone against corpos this wouldn’t happen

[@Ravenx217]

intel's fault, they allowed it.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

The same way AMD CPUs burning up was AMDs Fault Right? Double Standard much?

[@Ravenx217]

@@NBWDOUGHBOY u weird

[@nontoxic9960]

@@Ravenx217 Its a very valid point actually.

[@horchatakevin]

@@Ravenx217how is he weird?

[@Ravenx217]

@@horchatakevin because i never brought up amd and bro talkin like im his nemesis- idk him

[@andreasnilsson1797]

so sync all cores is better overall for temps or what ?

[@alpinestars-wm8rv]

So is ‘Apply all limits’ to Intel (253w) similar to syncing all P cores? Or would I do both? 14900KF

[@user-cw1fr2jo2f]

What programs trigger this instability? My 13900kF has been fine for a year

[@Spinelli__]

I still don't understand this instability...If the CPU/motherboard auto-downclocks according to a) temps b) current (amps), c) total power draw (current x voltage) then how could there be any instability...even if, say, you have a terrible cooler...I still don't understand this whole thing.

[@alvar891]

Funny how its user error but the b760 and non k chips get wrecked the same with the stock cooler not able to cool them. The power limits should be set by default but they are not.

[@BCombz81]

How do I get in the discord?

[@ashryver3605]

7:50 or maybe, you use the tools they gave you, and adjust VF Curves (Asus) and ACLL + LLC, to fix transient stability while also maintaining control of all core voltage.

[@kyle734533]

Hopefully this works. I got a I9 12900k 690 ASUS rog stix mb and some days trying to play warzone the game or the pc will crash while loading and some during games

[@dianaalyssa8726]

GL. Am stable 12900KF 4090 Z690 Asus TUF Gaming Wifi (have 2 of them total for each rig), I turned off MCE. My DDR5 speeds aren't what they should be but it's stable on latest BIOS. Am sure someone more knowledgeable could tune everything better.

[@dracer35]

I just always assume stock setting are garbage. Just quickly locked in the all core frequency and set a negative offset voltage while I was waiting for my IceMan direct die block to arrive. Went from stock pulling 430 watts at 1.5v in Cinebench R23 and pegging 100c before to now seeing 1.2v vcore under load pulling less than 300w and sitting in the high 70's c getting a better score. While gaming its sitting in the high 40's to low 50c range using close to the same power draw as my 7800x3d. Using the MSI z690 Torpedo EK X motherboard monoblock in a custom loop along with the Alphacool Eisblock 4090 waterblock and two 360mm Corsair xr5 radiators. I'm more than happy with it now and I kind of don't feel like taking it all apart to delid the CPU and run the direct die block anymore.

[@Nerd-Freaki91]

pro tip. if asus tjeck the vf curve category it show what voltage is needed for each frequenzy under full load :)

[@ooringe378]

Who are you kidding? 100% Intels fault.

[@adi6293]

He's a fan boy , did you expect anything else? If he says its Intel's fault people might stop buying his overpriced bundles

[@timothygibney159]

It’s the motherboards fault. These boards are over volted and watted by default out of spec

[@adi6293]

@@timothygibney159 Wrong!!

[@timothygibney159]

@@adi6293 show me a single board that runs in spec with Intel when you turn it on that is z790?

[@adi6293]

@@timothygibney159 And who's fault is it that they don't ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZWpZpioebeCY8U Steve from HUB and GN have been talking about it for like 5 years now and Intel ignored it

[@MadClowdz]

Thanks for covering! Might be old news for y'all but this 14900K is my first Intel CPU in over a decade. So far set BIOS to enforce all limits, got 253W and 415 (IIRC) amps on PL1 and PL2 and slight undervolt and I've only had like one crash in the 4 or 5 days since I did it.

[@user-vsmsdos]

The fact that it crashed on 253 PL2 is insane

[@battlephenom8508]

Stability test always. You just mentioned you undervolted. Did you make sure your undervolt is stable. Crashes can happen for a lot of reasons outside of the CPU. Is XMP applied? Can you chip and MB handle your XMP? I've found more issues regarding high unstable XMP profiles not liking the IMC or the MB than with any CPU core voltages.

[@MadClowdz]

@@battlephenom8508 I got rid of the undervolt, went back to default settings, then enabled "enforce all limits" and put sync all cores to 57. I'm using stock XMP setting for my RAM. I got a Maximus Hero Z790 and Corsair Dominator Platinum 7200mhz 16GBx2 RAM.

[@MadClowdz]

@@user-vsmsdos What's funny is on that power limit, it only reaches 5.2 ghz all core when stress testing in Cinebench.

[@Bungles411]

Are the Asrock boards like the Nova having these issues?

[@AngelLopez-zy8tu]

“It Just Works”… i really enjoy your content Jufes but man lets get real for a sec … if there was another AMD thing you’ll be acting like a clown dude… just saying 😅 don’t get me wrong here

[@mehdimido5270]

Shoving high voltages to the cpu to market a high boost clock and get better score is stupid, misleading and lazy.

[@MrDanwilliams]

I just set all cores to x59 and leave x60 single core boost on two cores and use TVB. Set LLC until stable then I look at temps under gaming loads and cap it if necessary. Got it capped at 90c at the moment, just to make sure it doesn't pass that. It usually stays way below that anyway, but it's just for peace of mind. Lose a bit of performance at the absolute top end, but if I am just gaming then I only really care about that.

[@mauriciob8260]

so looks like your prefer CPU brand is bad as hell as the AMD counterpart

[@kombosensei3994]

How does this affect power consumption though? DOes that mean they will always be at 5.5GHZ even when not under load?

[@Greez1337]

The intel chips still downlclock and park as per normal. I thought the same thing until I f'ed around with a 13700K. The thing idles and does regular PC stuff cooler and quieter than my PBO tuned 5900X did. I have same power usage as my 5900X did in targeted 120fps gaming- if not less with similair if not better thermals. Now when all cores are fired up, yeah, 253W is where it will sit as opposed to like 160W on my 5900X, but that's shader comp and goes by faster.

[@SKHYJINX]

I have a fixed allcore on my 10th gen 10850K and at idle I see like 30watta with a fixed vcore voltage. (No downclocking)

[@kombosensei3994]

Thanks guys I have a 13900K but the socket pins are bent so it doesn't even post. Before that damn thing would easily jump up to 100C and it started giving me BSOD. Pretty sure the chip is also fired too. If I get it running again I will definitely use this trick. Hopefully it's not complicated to to setup with an MSI motherboard. @@Greez1337

[@kombosensei3994]

Thanks guys I have a 13900K but the socket pins are bent so it doesn't even post. Before that damn thing would easily jump up to 100C and it started giving me BSOD. Pretty sure the chip is also fired too. If I get it running again I will definitely use this trick. Hopefully it's not complicated to to setup with an MSI motherboard. @Greez1337 @@Greez1337

[@Greez1337]

@@kombosensei3994 MSI mobo's are probably my fave Bios. Just do what Ivan reccomends and don't set the all core too high. Power limits be kept sensible. Another thing is also SA voltage, i heard some people say raising this helped them sometimes - I had to raise it for Memory tuning. I have it limited to 1.29, as this was for memory tuning. But if you're chip s really jacked up, who knows... nothing might work.

[@MobileIndifference]

13700k on MSI Z690-I. Love this rig.

[@dandel2226]

I locked my 13900k at 5.7. I tried to tweak it out, but everything would cause it to crash, so I locked it at 5.7 and set everything else to auto. I couldn't tweak my ram, so I have that on auto as well. My cpu is delieded and can do 5.8 but because of all these issues coming up I keep it at 5.7. Its my cod gaming pc and temps dont go over 65 with 200 fps and up on 1440p.

[@joshhernandez8680]

This is what we need solid information.. good job I would like to add 12900k is doing 5.1 all core modestly.. thats what I have it at.. with low temps

[@Multimeter1]

Has this affected some of your clients since you overclock their systems really hard?

[@parkersgarage4216]

not at all, when you oc your system youre setting the voltages yourself. my 13900k has never had any issues. i oc ram and cpu and 0 issues. i have a msi motherboard. i oc'd mine myself though but still the same. you also set cores like in vid when oc'ing. mine are set to 5.7 or 5.8 i believe. been a minute for sure

[@Doshi-lp4tn]

Yay have no idea how good 11th Gen is cuz of those fooltubers, but also. You guys should know that cache is requiring more voltage than the cores, it's actually the cache you need to set min to auto, max to all core sync at load - 10 bin for cache. Auto ring down. Faster ddr xmp = more cache voltage needed

[@redclaw72666]

11th gen 🗑️🗑️🗑️

[@rluker5344]

I add 20-30mv to my L2 cache and it has made my chip more stable with no noticeable extra heat. There are a lot of sections to these chips and when the whole thing starts pulling 300+ watts there may be some vdroop going on in some unintended places. Good to check more than just the cores when tracking down a problem. And that 11th gen has been buried away in tests ever since Alder came out.

[@Doshi-lp4tn]

@@redclaw72666 nah it's better with gear 1 than anything else out there. 350- 480 fps in cod me compared to AMD 245-315. You probably have not used it, just like those monkey head render squads who don't even play games

[@Doshi-lp4tn]

@@rluker5344 noobtubers refuse to admit it's good cuz they "already said it was bad" as quoted. But as a user of it, it blows everything out of the water in terms of frame times . My numbers don't lie, but noobtubers do

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@Doshi-lp4tn11th Gen is slower than zen 3 stop the BS.

[@Texastalon]

Definitely do not agree with the user error part. It's on intel and the mobo manufacturers.

[@cemsengul16]

Yeah that's bullshit because the majority of users/customers are not tuners.

[@Texastalon]

​@cemsengul16 exactly yea and this is happening on auto profiles which are enabled by default... so obviously the normal user who isn't tuning their i9 or i7 isn't going to realize that or mess with settings that cause instability let alone any bios setting. The majority of people I talk to across the gaming community aren't bios tuners (or even enter the bios outside initial installation) like me lol and I'm assuming you.

[@cemsengul16]

@@Texastalon Yeah I don't do any tuning. I don't even know how to make tight ram timings etc.

[@scottstamm7022]

2:15 the Intel copum is real. Maybe you should be less bias. You claim at 0:48 that your community had/has a fix for this for some time. What's that, using the stock Intel Baseline, getting less or maybe equal to 7800X3D and 7950X3D performance? Just from your tone, I'll bet you've got a Intel branded boot next to your office door you kiss every day. AMD won the performance crown this round, maybe Intel can come back with a fixed arch and new design next time. The reason you don't have GN, der8aur, HU, etc levels of subscribers or funds, are due to their testing methods being as unbiased as possible....unfortunatly for you, your bias is visible to all. People aren't as dumb and gullible as you'd wish.

[@MoltenPie]

he manages to find enough fools to earn himself some bread and butter. I think many people carry bias towards amd from fx era and look for someone who would support their views. this dude deserves a meme status like that of the userbenchmark

[@scottstamm7022]

@@MoltenPie I had a FX 8350 a while ago because it's all I could afford. I have a 5900X (maybe 7950X or 3D variant soon) and 7900XTX. My home server is a Xeon and Quadro setup. I use what works. Yes, the FX was a disaster, but the way FC is, he ostracizes anyone who doesn't march lock'n step with him.

[@lilpain1997]

The guy is an idiot who uses clickbait titles to farm his clicks. Look at his latest vid, he basically doesn't even mention AMD. What he doesn't understand though is that it still doesn't work to pull in views as like you said, he is extremely biased and doesn't produce factual content. He just blabbers on and on about Nvidia and Intel are the best and AMD are bad, Intel just works till intel doesn't just work then he tries to shift the blame. I have no idea why people even come to him for info at all as he has very little knowledge on OCing as well... Which is what he is apparently a pro at. There have been streams where he claims a CPU is stable and it crashes instantly upon loading anything but Warzone lmao, so not stable at all.

[@mypeeps1965]

I just capped temps at 70c. Done and dusted. Too many people want their hand held when almost every answer to most problems is right there in front of them.

[@erikpatane89]

where you can do it on bios ?

[@liamm8518]

Undervolting and lowering clock speed to a realistic all core level or something is usually a better idea than lowering your Thermal Junction limit, you will just throttle your clock speeds when you hit 70c instead of 100/110c right?

[@mypeeps1965]

@@liamm8518 Im older and dont need to live on the bleeding edge. It works for me and I dont notice a performance issues. My point was that there are easy solutions other than blaming the internet.

[@pav1u]

and now you lost a lot of performance, nice.

[@johnnyringo35]

Not really....you think it's a lot by UT at most it's less than 5 to 10 fps in games in most cases. Stability is the name of the game. Having 110fos for 30 min or 97fps for hours on end....the answer is obvious.

[@adrianmohamed1972]

Thank you bro your a life saver just did what you said 5500 on 14700k no crashing insta fix. OMG weeks of BS and all I had to do was that.

[@yosixxx]

For 14700k some cpus might have to drop to 5400 for stability

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@yosixxx Or just turn of shitty mce and auto oc.

[@cn-cz3nc]

msi its just turbo ratio and you set the turbo to 57 on all the turbo cores

[@TwoOmarz]

I swear it’s so easy i don’t know why people like to argue about everything

[@user-tc4tz8ww1z]

Hey, I have heard that decreasing current limit to 288 from 512 (on z790) will help prevent degradation. Is this true? Edit: I looked further into the matter and it seems 400A is recommended spec, and given Power = Amps*Volts, it seems mathematically sound assuming an average of 1.3v.

[@mylittlepwny3447]

Single threaded boost literally doesnt matter outside of marketing. All apps use 3+ threads and youll never see the single core boost speeds anyways. All core oc has always been the actual cpu performance indicator.

[@yosixxx]

Not really, its mostly ipc. Not single core active but ipc.

[@m8x425]

@@yosixxx over your head and between your legs

[@mikelebron3807]

@@yosixxxfrequency and core count affects IPC. Cripple either one and ipc goes down. This “fix” is bullshit - real world is crippled by this imo. Meanwhile all load will have the same issue. Simple real fix is to cap pl1 and pl2 - ideally adjust alc llc - I do agree it’s a vrm issue - only factually information provided

[@cybersecuritydeclassified4793]

My 13900KS has been shit gaming and this has been why. I've spent too much time fixing and not playing.

[@auritro3903]

13900KS is bad for just gaming, just get a 7800X3D if you want to just game man

[@iLegionaire3755]

Get the 14900KS, far faster.

[@KG-kp3le]

@@iLegionaire3755 not even close to true

[@Grumpy_DNA]

I always had sync all cores but it was still unstable. I had to set the SVID Behavior to Intel’s Fail Safe on my 14900K on the Apex Encore. Boom stable. I think my 14900k is just a bad copy.

[@yosixxx]

make sure its not shoving 1.5v into your cpu

[@Grumpy_DNA]

@@yosixxx It goes to 1.5 in idle but goes down under load. I have a custom water loop on it and the temps are absolutely alright. Its fine I guess.

[@yosixxx]

@@Grumpy_DNA I advise you check voltage under gaming loads. Usually gaming voltage is quite high with stock llc and ‘intel failsafe.’

[@Grumpy_DNA]

@@yosixxx It's quite high, between 1,348 and 1,515 when I play games. Temperatures are around 70c. If that's too high for 24/7 and it dies then I'll do an RMA lol

[@yosixxx]

@@Grumpy_DNA I would just undervolt it until its maximum 1.38v gaming loads. If its not stable in all core workloads you can try higher llc. It wont die but you risk certain degradation over long term

[@tjcarr70]

Ryzen master is great for a baseline, then undervolt. No Amdip here.

[@laszlozsurka8991]

Also this is 100% Intel's fault. There are no uses error here... Intel keeps pushing their CPUs 1% over the safe limit every time, hoping it works out and just for what? A 3% victory over AMD? 14900KS should've never launched.

[@JFrameMan]

Just bought a 14900k. Would setting a power limit (PL2) of 200 watts do the job or do I need to do what he does in the video?

[@ghostinme.]

DICORD LINK PLEASE

[@RockAndRollFirebird]

You are a legend man...!!! Good stuff... 👍🏻

[@vihakurjategija]

Intel dared mobo vendors to push enough power to cause problems so that's what they did.

[@treysnyder2676]

I can confirm that they are definatly, at a minimum, having qc problems. I bought my first 14900ks two weeks ago. First boot I cleared the cmos then enabled xmp. Couldnt run a single game from first boot. Even when enabling intel limits (on my board, ASRock Z790 Riptide Wifi, Load Intel Power Limits the PL1=253 and Pl2=253) I still could not run a single game. I was able to get it to run somewhat stably by limiting the current to 350amps. This would limit the watts to around 200 on this chip. I still would have a random bsod until I got my replacment chip today. Once again I cleared the cmos enabled xmp and intel power limits for first boot. Everything runs perfectly cinebench and all games. Cinebench only hits 80c.

[@maskedlover8768]

see, i your fault 100% when choose Intel right? how could he deduce the 33% number, clearly not Intel fault when User fuck up, right? right? If luck or some shit is what you have to depend on when choosing something to use, i guess that 's your fault

[@OwlyEagle]

Got the same board with a 14900k but cant even run xmp stock no matter what. Occt linpack crashes, not even trying VST yet. Cpu cant handle the slightest undervolt. Shit is driving me insane.

[@KLA22323]

Your L1 tdp is 150w on the ks it´s for your baseclock. L2 is indeed 253w for your boost clock.

[@papasmurf5598]

What Frequency are you running the Chip at ? 5. what ??? I had to take my 14900KS out and put my 13900K back in until I could reevaluate what was the solution, because it worked fine for about 2 days then started crashing in all games with Direct X issues and then Blue Screens. I didnt know how to correctly lower the power setting and to what value in the BIOS and so just got frustrated with it and swapped it out. But after much research on KZbin as to how to set it up correctly I will try again. Im gonna run it at 5.7 to start with and set the caps on the Voltages to 253 and set the core voltage at 1.425 just like the 13900K. Basically if that works then add a little more to find where the sweet spot for temps and voltage are at. I dont think with my 360MM cooler I will get much more than 5.8 if even that. I need to get the Arctic 420MM cooler. The BIOS rating on my cooler says it sucks to be honest.

[@Daematter]

What about 14700K? Mine degraded in 3 months running at fixed clock/voltage, no power limits. 13700K in the other machine works fine without any signs of degradation for 6 months now with the same mobo and bios settings.

[@rluker5344]

Are you sure your CPU is degrading? Check your thermal paste. My 13900kf isn't hurt by variable voltage. It's seen from 1.6 to .638, had it since they came out and had worse cooling than most replying here. Some thermal pastes like MX-4 can separate and let part of your CPU get real hot. Same with liquid metal if you run a heavy load for a long time the hot spots can oxidize dry and not cool well enough. Suspiciously high temps are a good clue. And higher temps need more volts for the same clocks, which isn't degradation. Reapplying fixes the LM, but bad thermal paste will keep separating so just go with something different.

[@Daematter]

​​@@rluker5344it degraded, it wasn't stable even at 5.3 with HT disabled and +0.50mv offset. It also wasn't stable on another PC. I already RMA it and got a replacement that works fine for a few weeks now.

[@auritro3903]

the only i7's that seem to be facing the issues are extreme overclocked ones; from what it seems the non-OC'd ones arent facing any problems

[@rluker5344]

@@auritro3903 i7s don't have the high single/double core boosts that i9s have. Which is a bit of evidence in support of the fix suggested in this video.

[@maskedlover8768]

Then it clearly 33% your fault 😊

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

I locked the frequency, but then I get lower performance benchmarks.

[@SKHYJINX]

Benchmarks and games are different. Although shader compilation does use all cores in most games,beyond that games hardly use all the cores much to such a high usage its not the same as a benchmark.

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

@SKHYJINX so then wouldn't that means it's more advantageous to not lock them? Let the games boost one or two cores?

[@SKHYJINX]

@@thelittledetailscr7231 Turbo is for making graphs look good benchmarking apps. Boost is a benchmark gimmick essentially for being the top of some graphs but only a few percent,..., in games specifically.. many cores are activated making the boost downclock anyway. So use a fixed allcore clockspeed instead over boost, enjoy less voltage and heat no matter the workload. My fixed allcore 5.0 vs 5 2 is 4%, can't even tell without a measurement. But much cooler and less voltage needed, also no crashing.

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

@@SKHYJINX Gotcha.

[@JeffRomeu]

Has some CPU that could reach 6 ghz daily?

[@ezeeze1643]

i have a mo ra fan 42O and its run at 27 ° (pic max 1 sec 6O° ) . if you buy a bugatti motor you should buy the bugatti colling systeme with it . simple like that

[@J.king87]

just buy a 7800x3d for a cheap price and your done men, why so difficult ?

[@bosco9028]

Those things if setup properly can cool even a 14900KS without a delid. The mora are no joke.

[@J.king87]

@@bosco9028 but why ? Paying more for cpu, cooling material, knowledge too tune for 3% more fps ? Just buy 7800x3d plug it and done ?

[@ezeeze1643]

@@bosco9028 True man and you can keep it for life

[@larsjrgensen5975]

The single core jumping up and down is not the fix. The crashes mostly happen during shader build in Unreal 5, that is allcore max multithread.

[@leoariasyt]

Yeah, Ryzen 7800X3D was a good purchase.

[@TheBURBAN111]

had the exact same issue at launch if not worse.. lol

[@leoariasyt]

@@TheBURBAN111 At launch, with intel is still happening... Lol ?

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@leoariasyt Because this has only recently came to light? the ryzen issue was due to high soc voltages its no different here HIGH stock vcore is degrading cpu's to be honest its mainly due to terrible auto oc or mce.

[@ezechieldzimeyor4541]

@@TheBURBAN111 AMD did actually have the exact same issues. Luckily they're fixed now and my 7800x3d build went very smooth overall. CPU also doesn't use anywhere near the amount of power any of the high end Intel CPUs are using. Unless you're doing video editing or some kind of very compute heavy tasks I don't see why you'd want an intel CPU for just gaming, you get 2.5x the power draw, and +30C for less frames and double the price lol

[@leoariasyt]

@@ezechieldzimeyor4541 Thank you, that's something that @theBURBAN111 Fail to understand.

[@Rimmer666]

This dudes space weed is amazing! Where can i get some? On his Discord?

[@cybersecuritydeclassified4793]

Most users don't purchase I9's

[@Krenisphia]

This channel caters specifically to high end users.

[@toonnut1]

👍

[@md-vl3lm]

I am using 9700k with z390 stuttering play DMZ COD.... But play MWlll got crash sometime...😮 All yt tutorial solution already done but same results for a month 😮....

[@prosecanlik4296]

Bro just limit those things to 253W, like they cannot perform that great at that limit

[@vasileioslempesis6474]

war of the volts

[@yzonker]

This doesn't work on my 14900ks. It was one of the first things I tried when I got it. What happens is when I set 59x all core in the bios, for whatever reason voltage drops a lot (like 100mv) and then the CPU isn't stable at all anymore. This is on a white Apex with the 2102 bios.

[@andreasnilsson1797]

my cpu got higher tempes with sync all cores in cinabench so i wont use it and fixed at 55x i never had any problems im just here to watch temp voltage talk

[@bobbrown9035]

Youre actually showing the VRM's ahead, not behind

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

"Were here to play games not whine on the internet." I Absolutely Love This.

[@psobbtutorials6792]

I heard jewsuf likes comments, so lets push that ytb algorithm. Intel just works

[@chrisb8479]

I bet Hardware Unboxed video was edited on an intel system.

[@justindressler5992]

I've come to realise Cinebench is a restarted benchmark. The benchmark is calculated after the first run, there is no chance for these CPU's to thermal soak, the benchmark means nothing in every day usage.

[@m8x425]

you'd have to use a custom setting to have Cinebench run at 10 minutes or 30 minutes. You can do this with CB r23 and 2024. r15, r20 and older versions are one and done.

[@justindressler5992]

@@m8x425 I think that just stress tested the benchmark is only calculated on first cycle eg not averaged

[@fracturedlife1393]

You can see all the scores. Stick CB on 30min loop and watch scores drop over time. New PL1 and PL2 setting dropoff is pretty annoying if you're doing anything all core.

[@zodwraith5745]

I think the mobo makers are even worse about it because they have to go to extremes to stand out when they have to run the same CPUs, the same chipsets, and same memory as the competing AIBs. Mobo makers are also the ones putting those settings in place _out of the box._ This leans even harder on the user that _doesn't_ know what they're doing because they expect stock settings to be stable. At what point do you expect Intel to mommy their AIBs? It just screams AMD fanboism to place this solely at Intel's feet like HUB did when there's so many other viable bitches to have with Intel. Blaming Intel alone is equivalent to blaming a gun store for selling a gun that someone committed a crime with later.

[@kamizerox]

Nah man, I'm pretty pissed about this fiasco and not even sure if my 14700k is affected, so far I've undervolted -40mv and capped 240/253W PL1/PL2. Blaming intel is equivalent to blaming the gun manufacturer for not warning users to not use over-pressured rounds when ammo manufacturers try to sell you over-pressured rounds as regular ammo to make you think that your gun shoots faster velocities/hit harder when in fact the receiver/barrel can't realistically handle these rounds on a repeated basis for a long time. Either it'll explode on your face as end user or it'll degrade/jam/malfunction in the near future when realistically, these guns can last almost a lifetime.

[@zodwraith5745]

@@kamizerox Both of those instances are fixed with basic common sense. My 14700k is set at -50mv and 253, but that was to keep thermals in check while stress testing all core workloads. Not because of being scared of the 4000watt boogieman. It's still the mobo maker that left everything unlimited out of the box. Which is why I blame them. (Which I'll note MSI _didn't_ do unlike Asus) I've had zero issues and the more than a few other 13th and 14th gen systems I've built haven't either. I'm sure it's a real issue, but if it was anywhere near what it's being exaggerated as you'd have had customers up in arms 2 years ago. You just have too many kids that don't know what they're doing throwing together systems without testing them for thermals and stability.

[@tyranus7]

the thing I don't like about this solution is it wastes power and generates more heat than it should. in theory boost is the smart way of handling dynamic load on the CPU, only boost those cores that are under heavy load and let the rest to run slow. that way the cpu saves power. Power throttle shouldn't be disabled by default, also the max time the cpu can consume extra power shouldn't be disabled. Default should be all 100% stable.. and let the user modify the BIOS if they have the knowledge.. but as Judus says, manufactures just want to be at the top of the chart (auto overclock should be just a 2-3% performance boost, not a 10%, that's crazy unsafe)

[@jackhandy0001]

AM5 was released after intel lga 1700. Your option was AM4 or the newer Intel LGA 1700. Those of us who bought into intel, I would think, was a good decision, at that time. AM5, which followed, had problems and still has problems? So, we stick with what we have and wait for more stable, better performing set ups in the future. I'm not losing any sleep over any of this. I'm more irate about being betrayed by AMD with my Threadripper investments.

[@Manicmick3069]

😂😂😂😂😂.

[@ColinDyckes]

Users and SIs who put crappy AIOs on top end CPUs. Needs at least the very best AIO and even they won't handle maximum power. Needs a MoRa 420 to tame the 14900KS (or a chiller).

[@joshhernandez8680]

Overclocking isn't for everyone.. most people shouldn't buy the k version of these chips to be honest