Why a Tennis Pro would Delete You

A lot of trial and error in making this video, but I learned some cool stuff! Andy talks about how he beat an amateur player using only a frying pan...
I did some experimenting with comparing an amateur player like myself - to a pro tennis player. The results are crazy!
Side note - There are a lot of variables I did not address in this video when it comes to Tennis, but these findings are new to me, and I want to figure out the best way to showcase these variables in future videos.
#tennis #camera #comedy #protennis #editing #adobepremierepro #tennisplayer #fryingpan

[@dymiyasa]

Great video to add some contextual data to this conversation. I can't believe how many people believe they could get a game from a pro. I'm about a 7 UTR currently, and believe the ONLY way I could get a game off of a pro is if they died of a heart attack mid-game or played with no strings in their frame.

[@catarojas6257]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DanTuber]

UTR 7 is rubbish.... and i'm one of them.

[@MarcoSolidx]

I think I can get a game from a pro! But I start with 40/0, have infinite serves and the pro have only one

[@hillwellford9637]

Great vid. I did a low-rent version of this. I got the Swingvision app and taped a set that I played against a well-matched friend of mine. We watched our video, then divided the total time spent per point by the number of balls hit per point, for several of our best points. That gave a pretty consistent time-per-shot. We then compared the same metric for whatever hard court men's and women's tournaments were playing that day. The results were sobering. The pro men were hitting a ball every 1.00 to 1.25 seconds, the women 1.20 to 1.40 seconds, depending on the type of rally. I then watched a 5.0 men's tournament; the average for one hard fought match was 1.40. Ours, 4-4.5 rating, were 1.60. That's a vast difference. In other words, in the time that my matches take to hit 10 balls, the pros men have hit 16. The pro men and pro women would see my pace as slow motion, and even the 5.0 players would consider it to be taking things a bit easy.

[@Sweeney-Kubach]

I think you are full of it. I know a few club players that hit serves into the 120s. And I have seen Brain Dunn lose a set to an amateur player. So stop putting people on pedestals! They are human and the only difference is normal players aren’t jacked up on steroids.

[@DanTuber]

Tennis always looks slower watching it. But on the court it's much different.

[@loiseau.]

yeah, exactly !!

[@nsebast]

Yep. I saw a WTA tournaments and those ladies hit harder than any amateur guy I've ever seen. And they are strong off both wings, amateurs are usually stronger on forehands.

[@tomsd8656]

Forget about pro. If you play someone whose average pace of shots is just a bit faster than yours, you already might not get a game. I once played a guy whose shots weren't faster than mine, but his consistency was a lot better, and I lost 6-2 6-2. Now imagine someone more consistent and with faster pace, even if just a bit. You will lose 6-0 6-0.

[@cks2020693]

exactly, thats why in USTA, 0.5 rating difference means the higher rated player can 6-0 the lower rated player. I had to adjust my footwork, swing speed, prepration time and intensity when I went from 4.0 to 4.5, it's a world of difference, I cant imagine going all the way to pro level which is 7.0+

[@js45658]

Agree, just play a few games with a high level player in your local area and you won't win a game. Against a pro you won't even get to perceive the ball leave the racquet 😆 I had the chance of playing a few balls with Richard Gasquet (former top 10) a few years ago. I'm between a 3.5 and 4.0 level and play pretty decent tennis. When he really did hit the ball at match speed I hadn't even landed my split step that his ball was already touching the wall on my side 😆 Best time ever getting destroyed 💪

[@tomsd8656]

@js45658 Yes, I don't understand amateurs who are so clueless. The difference between pros and amateurs is like that of a street fighter and a pro boxers. Any street fighter stupid enough to get into the ring with a pro boxer will get knocked out before landing a single blow on the pro. Also, a 4.0 player will get bagel easily by a 5.0 player. It doesn't take more than that.

[@jeremyrogers1247]

Good point there are many different levels of tennis and an advanced club player could easily beat a lower intermediate one. Add to that, there is even a bigger gulf in ability between the pro world and recreational tennis one.

[@cam514]

It's not even really about pace. It's using the geometry of the court , being knowledgeable of grip change and shot selection, when to use slice and slow a point down or move. Guy side to side and take his legs out. There are so many ways to win and lose a match . "You will not make Roger miss with speed of the ball . You have to get him out of position to have a chance" -- Rafa Nadal post match Wimbledon 2019 losing to Roger Federer.

[@enricopascucci4802]

Roddick is totally right. People don't realize how strong is a tennis pro. They completely outclass an amateur player on any detail of the game, technical, tactical, physical and mental. I'm an amateur at decent/good level, have worked a lot on technique and know how a shot should be hit, how I should move on the court, etc. Every time I watched live from close distance a pro player (I've seen many of them in action) I've had always the same feeling: he's a long way above me. Regarding Novak Djokovic, once I had the luck to see him in training from just few meters. I was almost shocked by his level, he was just unbelievable, almost superhuman. When he finished his training, my first thought was: with this guy I would struggle to win not only a single game, but also a single point.

[@Prosto.Dastan]

Novak is incredible, I've seen clearly how he outpaced Federer, sure Federer wasn't in his prime, it was like in 2020, but Federer played really fast that day I think, still Djokovic simply outpaced him, he was like a fast ball machine.

[@Dark_Voice]

I would do you one better, against Nole I think I would struggle to get back his return. I wont even talk about his serve.

[@DiumUwiqah]

yeah, djokovic is sometimes just scary to watch

[@nsebast]

I've been playing tennis for 12 years. The only way I win a point against Novak if he double faults but then he wouldnt so 0 point.

[@HeavyTopspin]

Speed is only a small part of it. Not only are the pros hitting it much harder, but those hard shots often come with more topspin than most amateurs put on a looping lob. Then, of course, comes the realization that they're doing it against other pros who are also hitting with greater pace and spin, and even the best club player forehand is going to feel like it's sitting on a tee to them, so basically any ball that doesn't paint a line (and some of those that do) is going to probably come back at you as an immediate winner.

[@leedufour4288]

You'd also have to return a serve that's placed with precision not to mention hit a serve that doesn't immediately put you on the defensive.

[@HeavyTopspin]

@@leedufour4288 Good point. Another thing people think is "Player X gets 65% of his first serves in, I do that too!". Then you look at one of those service charts they sometimes show and every single one of those 65% are within 6 inches of a line.

[@b1ld3rb3rg2]

Even then, a pro would anticipate you 'winner' and rifle it back twice as hard on a better angle.

[@ProjectBaby40]

Let’s also not forget the supreme athleticism of the pros that make it so hard to penetrate their defense. You have to do EVERYTHING right.

[@ryanwood1285]

The average player would lose 6-0 to someone who'd lose 6-0 to someone who'd lose 6-0 to someone who'd lose 6-0 to someone who'd lose 6-0 to Djokovic

[@ribbonsofnight]

And it's the same in every sport in the world.

[@basiliorodriguez1750]

what would a player look like if they could beat 6-0 Joker every time. Mindblowing@@ribbonsofnight

[@adamcravets5408]

Had a coach that was the #1 at UCLA for a couple of years. I asked him why he didn’t go pro and his response was “I wasn’t good enough or disciplined enough to.” Anyone that thinks they can get a game off of a pro in any sport is delusional.

[@jonzales333]

I love how you used Dan Evans as a case study. For those not in the know, he is not a particularly powerful player compared to the rest of the tour. He is more of a crafty, angles, gradually work you off the court kind of player. Watch a Rublev, Berretini, Karastev, Alcaraz match and you'll see some power players even in their generic neutral shots

[@uselessDM]

To put it simply: The best shot of your life is just another Tuesday for a pro player.

[@rich.e]

Closest example I've seen is here on KZbin: Karue Sell, who presents the My Tennis HQ channel, was playing a 4.0 or 4.5 player. Karue was a top 400 player and is now the coach of ATP Pro Marcus Giron as well as recently winning some UTR tournaments; in other words, he's good! They played a set where Karue had to win points within 2 groundstrokes, i.e. serve +2 shots or return +1 shot, or he lost the point. The result...?? Karue won 6-0. His oppoent Joel won, I think, 7 points in total but mainly from errors when Karue was trying to hit a winner to end the point before the 5th or 6th shot. The difference in ability between the two players was significant.

[@elvistrumpet]

even better is that Karue went on a win streak on UTR PRO tournaments, winning 5 or 6 IN A ROLL. I consider myself a somewhat more advanced club player, and I can't even dream of getting through the 3 round in a UTR 9.0 match and the average UTR is around 12 to 13 in UTR PRO matches. Like what the actual f*ck. Those ATP players can eat any amateurs alive on the court be that it's an insane amateur. Not A Single Chance.

[@leonardoramirez7667]

Its on the tubes... True story. Tennis is so hard I've been playing 20 years from age 14 and with coaching the last 5 which has improved me a lot. The guy Karue beat would beat me badly. Tennis is a mad sport and is so so hard.

[@Wodz30]

@@elvistrumpet I am UTR 13 and I am dog shit slow compared to UTR 15 and would get double bageled

[@elvistrumpet]

@@Wodz30 UTR 13 is crazy tho. Compared to most amateurs and semi pros you'll probably smoke them on court. But obviously there's always a bigger fish, or a few dozen of them.

[@thesnackbandit]

You know, it always baffles me why this is the case. I mean if you phrased the question to a good high school mathematics student, as to whether they could solve 1/20 questions on a test better/more accurately than a world-class research mathematician, literally none of them of would say that they thought they could do so. For some reason, it isn't the case for sport. My analogy is not perfect, but it's still surprising to me.

[@FakeAndTrolled]

I've seen Gilles Simon play live. What was insane about his career is that many club level players have the physicality to hit his average rally ball (which is still quite fast), but the skill level to consistently hit his flat shots within a foot of the baseline is incomprehensible. The timing and technique required to re-direct pace from big hitters looks so much easier on TV than in person.

[@Nisced]

and Simon is considered one of the biggest pushers on the tennis tour... and he still plays mad fast. it's insane

[@meekaboi]

Had the same reaction when I saw Arnaud Clement play at the US Open back in like, 2003. I've seen plenty of D1 players hit with more pace, but Clement hit nearly every shot within a few feet of the baseline, almost never missed unless forced, cleanly returned balls that would be forced errors against any D1 player in the country, and capitalized on pretty much every short ball. The guy is 5'6 and made a grand slam final with his style.

[@meekaboi]

​@@Niscedit's wild, because it's literally impossible to be a pusher in the ATP top 500, they just look like pushers because the heavy hitters are smacking 90-100mph forehand winners. You throw any of these guys in against club players and they look like world beaters.

[@Felix2010w]

The way to really grasp how fast pro tennis is, without actually seeing it live, is the middle-of-the-net birds-eye camera angle.

[@bryangregory48]

Love this. I played at the division III level in the NCAA’s and had a UTR of 9. The top guys in division II/III had UTR’s of 11 and would beat me 6-1 6-1 or 6-2 6-0. When one of my non-tennis playing friends or anyone that didn’t know the sport asked me how I’d fare against a pro I explained to them my UTR and that the worst pro’s have a UTR of 14 and the top ones 16. When I explained to them how I wouldn’t be sure if I could even win a point, their jaws dropped. It’s weird how people just watch someone on TV and think they could do the same thing.

[@simonphilip7955]

I was lucky enough to play and train with a UTR 14 as a UTR 8 and we did a tie-break at the end of the session. I played extremely well and I "only" lost it 7-4 so I think that it shows that yes the gap is huge but in a different way that people think. I was able to have some nice rallies with him and even dominated some points. The biggest difference is in the constancy and the precision of these guys. They almost never miss and play the right shot all the time but do not make winners at every shot. So I think that if we're lucky and we play well we can win a game against a pro but they woud still destory us overall.

[@johntahk5574]

@@simonphilip7955I’m sorry, but if he was an actual UTR 14 then he was going easy on you. I’m a UTR 10, and 7-4 is a score against a UTR 9.5. I played against an 11, and lost 11-1. Roughly, every 1.5 Utr should be a 6-0 6-0 blowout, so if it was a UTR 14 v UTR 8 he should be able to win 6-0 with his non dominant hand (little exaggeration but not by much)

[@amoggvenkat710]

@@simonphilip7955lmao dude if he was a utr 14 he was not trying or you’re lying. A 6+ utr gap means you wouldn’t get a point unless they double fault. The pace is way different.

[@bryangregory48]

@simonphilip7955 the other comments have said it already, but messing around in a tie break versus an actual competitive match where ranking points and money are on the line is a totally different story. If you’re a 8 UTR and played a 14 UTR in a match, you’d lose 6-0 6-0 every single time. Full stop. My original coach was about a 13 UTR and he was so good he knew exactly how to make it look like I earned a game and when ever I’d brag about it, he’d smoke me without hesitation every other time. That’s how good these guys are, they even know how to lose a point and make it look convincing to you

[@ansr193]

@@simonphilip7955 that is so cap dude. you are getting 0 and 0ed by a 9.5

[@rich.e]

Win a game off a Pro?? We'd be lucky to get a point! Anyone 4.5 or below would do well to get a racquet to a Pro's serve, it's not even close, and the majority of our serves would be like weak 2nd serves to them and you'd just see most of the returns whistling past you.

[@tomcooper6108]

When you play on court with someone who was/is a pro, you can really get a good idea of the level you are at. About 10 years ago, there was a guy who dropped into our cardio session drill once. He had played in two Masters doubles quarterfinals back in the late 80s. His shots were absolutely unbelievable. Slices took off like a jet, straight as a frozen rope, no putaway volleys missed, forehand was so clean. He coulda played doubles at the D1 level at 50.

[@tcyguhlukgv]

This survey is a good illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Those people just don’t know what they don’t know. Even Bernard Tomic or Benoit Paire would destroy all of them effortlessly

[@zed2225]

Yup I agree to this. My father was a daviscup back in the 80's in our country and by the time I started competing and trained (16-17yrs old); I still can't get a game from him(40+yrs old). It's insane with their level of play and the ability to read body language and gamesmanship. It's like an amateur playing chess with Garry Kasparov hehehe.

[@florisbokx]

I probably don’t need to tell you this, but you really should make more of it! Every tennis fan finds this interesting and I haven’t really seen many these types of videos before. Keep going

[@skeet0rz]

Think about the spin they produce as well! Having less time to react is bad enough - now imagine the difficulty with a ball that has big shape and explodes off the bounce.

[@rich.e]

Exactly. The speed and spin that Tour players can apply to strokes is vicious! Us club players wouldn't stand a chance.

[@proshepherd]

This. The weight of the ball from these pros is ridiculous. The racket in your bag isn't heavy enough to stay stable against their shots.

[@leoramos8]

Awesome work, thanks! Super! I have seen a loooooot of videos related to tennis, and this is totally new. Very interesting. For those amateur players that think they can play against a pro and do a good performance. No way. The main difference is the footwork, and the average speed in a normal rally, keeping the consistency while they are hitting acurate strokes. Good job man, you have a new follower

[@acikacika]

Wow what a great argument, and such a great humor and editing from you. Enjoyed it!

[@huntsail3727]

Very interesting, hope to see more. Something we can sense, but seeing you put numbers to it makes it hit home. Great job!

[@knotwilg3596]

And you knew where the ball was coming.

[@reignonme6547]

Fantastic analysis. I think a simple point everyone forgets, is that the by product of extreme skill is how easy something looks. It’s not just a matter of tennis! It’s universal to anything. The survey results actually make sense, as that’s the “illusion” pro players are able to create. A pro painter can do the job in 30 mins. You look at it once and think, oh yea I could do that, try it then… days and days later…

[@jakubs7475]

Awesome analysis of reaction time. I’m not sure if this approach of measuring react time can be found in researche studies but I know about “game pace” in tennis. Which is time of rally divided by number of shots. Time of rally starts with serve (contact of the racquet) and ends with a ball being out or second ball bounce ( just the end of rally based on rules). That data required for game pace can be measured manually with stopwatch. There are a lot publications comparing different surfuces or granslams etc.

[@pauldavies6316]

Great video mate, yes, do more when you have time. Swing vision and dart are two platforms I'm thinking of. Be interested to see future stuff. Cheers from the uk

[@JeffLewistennis]

Love it! Also..This is probably the highest end machine(playmate) you can have, which I have also used to develop players. What I noticed once I got my players to a high state ranking being..I could no longer represent a world classish player through the machine as far as revolutions and compression. I had to hand drop hit (I’m a previous d1 player). There def isn’t a machine that can rep what is is coming off these guy’s racquets.

[@ad-rock603]

This was awesome, so glad I found your channel!

[@aldozampatti]

This was great! It's funny how so many people think they can win points to a pro tennis player.... ! I started playing 5 yrs ago only. I'm 42yo now and I play USTA 3.5 (I can play 4.0 but probably my W-L record would be zero to a lot) and I have a friend who was a State D1 Champion and his older brother is playing challengers on the tour. I've hit with them MANY MANY times (In fact I'm hitting with the pro dude this weekend a he's a really good friend and tries to help me improve) and when I play real points with them it's just surreal. My record against these two guys is that I wont two points.... TWO POINTS out of thousands of balls we hit. And in both opportunities I both got lucky and the ball I got in the first place wasn't a 100% pace ball from them of course. My return of their serves stats agains them is that I ONCE got a return back in (sliced and barely touched it) and I probably made contact with a serve ball around 10% of the times. But again, just ONCE got it in. To win a game as a non-pro to a top100 pro player on the tour you have to be two things: 1) A very VERY Good D1 player in great physical condition and 2) A bit lucky :)

[@harrison3910]

I played consistently with a guy who tried to go pro and maybe won three matches on tour. In challengers. I’m about 5.5, 6.0. I’d only get one game if I played out of my mind, hit the lines on my first serve (we played on red clay), and then had my forehand at 110% (treeing). It felt like if he was able to hit a forehand, from anywhere, he would hit a winner. That’s the difference, and below 4.0 would not be able to get a game off of me.

[@jackthemac132]

Great video and explanation with data! You are very talented too, some great hits in there

[@jaegertier6352]

That’s a great video my man. I subscribed. To add to the argument, Monaco is hitting a ball that most likely is more aggressive with spin and pace than any ameatuer can dream of producing. Meaning that .57 forehand is going to happen literally almost every time. Good job again! From a fellow small creator and tennis player :)

[@JakeOfAllTrades-Ginger]

Thanks! I appreciate it!!

[@vinny6_9]

*that was Gonzo hitting that ball

[@JuanPabloSecundo]

Overall great video, however I'm not a fan of the Gonzalez example, since it's not his average shot, it's hit full power return off the already powerful serve which he redirected+added his own power. Also keep in mind that the harder both guys hit the ball the shorter the reaction time becomes for both of the guys, you can't really compare it to the machine that's tossing since there is also lot's of redirecting already existing pace in a high level game. The point I'm trying to make is that a pro game is a lot about redirecting the pace+adding a lot of your own. Meanwhile in an amateur game you have to create a lot of power by yourself since there are lots of "dead balls" with no penetration.

[@aldosacrealdo1454]

You're going to have to be more precise on this question. How old is the pro? Is he on the circuit right now? How old is the non-pro player? What's his level of play? We're talking men on men and women on women here right? I've played active pros before in tournaments (singles and doubles) and won some games. Of course this was back in the 80's but still got some games off of them. I will agree that the number of people of think they can is WAY too high though.

[@ArminvB90]

Awesome video! Envisioning how they react to services (esp from the great servers) would be cool too

[@Sam-jy5tj]

The average person couldn’t even get a game off an amateur tournament winning level club player. Nevermind pro.

[@geemy9675]

Thank you for this deep analysis that proves what we already knew 😀 pros are better! Could you do video analysis on player who manage to return balls that seem completely impossible like Alcaraz. I'm pretty sure on top of running very fast they also anticipate a lot, running way before the opponent even hits the ball. Also, players don't really make a conscious decision in 0.27s. they train hard hours a day so it just becomes muscle memory/instinct. So its a mind game, because if the other player predicts your next move it gives him a big advantages, players are constantly trying to be unpredictable. OR just hammering the weakest side 😀then hitting one odd ball 10-20% on the other side

[@jojob285]

We're only talking about skills here, stamina plays a huge role as well. Pro's can play hours and hours of high level tennis...I bet these people can't even last 30 minutes of tennis against pro players

[@dnisbet71]

awesome vid, my suggestion would be to show superimposed vids of a pro reacting to a pro serve, and an amateur reacting to an amateur serve. If the amateur serve is still in the 180kph range, they would superimpose neatly. Then we could see where each one is at each point.

[@zelamal9897]

Great video man, I'm probably somewhere between a 4 or 4.5, been playing quite a few years, I like to tell people who don't play that they're closer to me in skill than I am a pro without them even picking up a racket like that's who insane the gap is when talking about the pros, there's people who I play against who I have to absolutely try my hardest to get a few games. what's the song playing when you play the crushing forehands part?

[@cam514]

Reaction time: the point at which we are "supposed" to start tracking the ball , is at your opponents contact point, not when it's getting close to the net coming toward you. Then it's too late. This is the whole reason for the Split-Step. You lightly hop in a neutral ascension as your opponent is hitting the ball , so that when you land, the ball is just begining to leave his Racquet and you can push off in the direction the ball is going from THAT point. Calculate the time saved by reacting from a proper split step vs reacting once the ball is approaching the net. But the anticipation and your mental prediction model can begin even earlier than that by learning how to process eliminate what types of shots opponent can hit and probably will hit, from the type of ball you send to him. Knowing theyre trained for high percentage play; being aware of the score of the match and situational play; opponent tendencies; weather court conditions; and I could go on. Tennis is a mental game of exponential variance. A ball machine is very useful but also very beatable . " I don't think tennis needs any changes. It's a great game, I can tell you that " -- Roger Federer post match interview

[@ernestryles]

Most people couldn’t even touch a professional serve, let alone win a game lol

[@captainspirou]

I love these pros vs joes comparisons

[@Editor_Hound]

I played a practice match vs Miriam Bulgaru 4 years ago, ranked 457 WTA at that time. I'm a UTR rated player 8.5, about 5.0-5.5 NTPR. She absolutely demolished me in a double bagel in about 30 minutes. And I was giving my full bean, she barely broke a sweat. There are layers to how much better a pro is that an amateur cannot even grasp! And she wasn't serving that much faster than me(I'm about 5'8, she's 5'7), but the level of consistency, depth, topspin, creating angles and ability to handle pace, from a pro, is mindblowing.

[@BriceBriceBabyy]

Another great video. Subscribed!

[@InstrumentalStudio]

You could make more videos that show the difference between amateurs and pros ! That's very interesting

[@pencilcheck]

I play tennis table when I was young, having a fast reaction speed is just a part of training, do something like that 1 hr a day, and do it consistently for 1-2 years you will notice that you can practically move your body as you are looking and tracking the ball, cutting off all the excess commands you need to give your body after you track the ball.

[@kapilavastuvasin]

As an amatuer who has played some big names when they were juniors and was considering turning pro, i will say this: pros are usually reacting to shots at the point of contact, based on shoulder, wrist & racket head direction of the opponent. You have to, else you don't have enough time. In the clip where the opponent of Gonzales reacts, you can actually see him reacting from the point of contact but by the time he commits, the ball is over the net and moments after his commitment, its past him. This is almost always the case when the opponent unleashes a 'kill the ball' move to the open court- you just can't cover it. I will also say another thing- the pros have mastered the game at a level where us amatuers can only dream of and their level of confidence & attunement with their skills- which is astounding. This i have seen with my own eyes, having the privilege of watching Pete Sampras practice from one court away. After he hits a few balls to warm up, he starts to serve. First serve - into the net. Second serve- into the net. Third serve-into the net. Fourth serve- bounces off the top of the net for a let. All except the last one, 1 inch or so from clearing the net. Pete walks over, talks to Paul Annacone for a little bit, then one of the guys in his team (he had 1 other guy with him) runs over to the net, measures the net with a tape, looks at it and starts lowering the net. As a serious aspiring to be pro junior, this blew me away - i know it sounds like a little thing, but in that moment i realised that i will never amount to much as a pro, because its incomprehensible to me, to fail 4 serves on the trot at the start of my training session and question the height of the net, instead of pluck my racket strings, question my feet position, etc etc. And this wasn't in a random court practice, this was practice before match day at a court provided to him by a top ATP tour event.

[@noeldacosta7621]

You're so right. I've been playing tennis for 40 years and I get better every day but I would not get a single game off any tennis pro. Not one. The only way I could win a point is if they served and double faulted. The other way of looking at it is the UTR score. My score is 6.5. That puts me at 8th seed at my club. Federer's was 16.5. They say that if you play someone who is one point higher than you, you have a 90% chance of losing. Pro tennis players are 13+ on that rating system. So a pro tennis player (i.e. Challenger level) would have 0.000001% chance of losing to me. So basically you have zero chance of winning against someone who is two or more points higher than you.

[@ikhanic9837]

Awesome video man, and I agree, it was crazy to hear people thinking they could win even a game off a pro. A few points? Maybe (but even this is tough to guarantee), given double faults and a few flukes from the pro, but a whole game is too much. Even with that, I doubt a pro would double fault against an amateur where their serves don't need to be top notch, and I doubt most amateurs can serve the ball hard enough to pose any threat to a professional (maybe a few club players at most). Great vid!

[@dancetnobigdeal]

I'd be interested in the data of using new vs old balls. A pro match the balls are fairly new but in a ball machine at a club the balls are usually pretty old

[@vanlendl1]

You should also study tennisballs from the 90s and nowadays balls, which jump much higher and which are slower.

[@themostunluckykid]

You should do the same style of video but go over serving/receiving reaction times.

[@aaronjimenez7825]

Mladenovitch once hit 4 double faults in a row. Boom game won

[@justinpalmer2959]

Used to hit with someone who was on the challenger tour. Hardly anything I threw at him unsettled him. Huge gulf between pro and amateur

[@OLEGUBAN]

So, the Dunning-Kruger effect also applies to tennis.

[@Funkytrip73]

Only thing I would like to add is that pros can really read opponents well, so they already start reacting before the other player even hits the ball because they can see by the movements of that player how the ball will go. That is why lower level players (rating 3 for example) are amazed that a better player (rating 5) could hit back their 'winner' back so easily. Because a 5 can easily read a 3. But that 5 is read by a 7 really easy etc.

[@MindGameArcade]

You should do like baseball, for example most people cannot hit a homerun, so if you ask a pro to hit a tennis ball as hard as they can and you measure the distance it reaches it will be much higher than the distance for an amateur. So basically think of feats outside the context of a game and I think you'll be able to show the gap better. Like just going side to side on a court as much as a pro and as fast, not even hitting any ball, etc.

[@marktace1]

If you want to estimate the initial speed the formula in fps (feet/second) is (distance/time + distance*0.4035). You then multiply times 15/22 to get mph. It is just average speed plus the amount the ball slows down each foot traveled over 2. The amount the ball slows down is only good down to about 40 fps. For example a ball hit straight from baseline to baseline in one second travels about 78’. So 78 feet/ 1 second + 78 feet * 0.4035/s = 109.47 ft/s * 15/22=74.6 mph.

[@iTzNonLethal]

I took a single game off of a pro ranked #883 in the world. I was on my way to playing college tennis, and dreamed of becoming a pro. Got my ASS handed to me by some guy who was essentially a nobody. Which makes me a suuuuuper nobody xD

[@mathieurivest2348]

I remember Kim Clijsters saying she wouldn’t win a single point against a top 5 pro male.

[@C_AVATAR]

See Serena Williams vs. Karsten Brasch. Can't remember the score.

[@mathieurivest2348]

@@C_AVATAR exactly. If a top pro women can’t win a game vs a 700ish male, imagine a club player vs Novak 🤦‍♂️

[@Funkytrip73]

@@C_AVATAR think he won 6-1 against both Williams players. Even male #10.000 in the world would win 6-1 against a Williams. High level college players would demolish top 100 female players (Many female pro players train with them) . The difference is really, really big.

[@lucifer2133]

Mate, you need a bit of a refresher in arithmetic. I did it a few years ago and it's so useful!

[@dre6289]

If you were paid to practice and play day in and day out, I've got a sneaking suspicion reaction time would improve.

[@hrothgr52]

Definitely, just not enough to compete with the world elite.

[@dre6289]

@hrothgr52 you think the world elite were born like that? They've been doing it for longer. They decided to take a bet on spending their youth dedicated to a skill that has no other application. It's a high risk bet if you think about it, one that not many are willing to take. That's what separates them. We just didn't take that bet.

[@ramirr]

@@dre6289you never could have been the world elite lol you don't need to massage your ego

[@dre6289]

@@ramirr @ramirr I want to make sure you see my reply.

[@ribbonsofnight]

Certainly true. Everyone could go up a level if they had that sort of incentive. Going up the remaining 4-5 levels would be an impossible dream.

[@cks2020693]

speed is only a small part, almost every amatuer player struggle with returning balls with heavy spin, they will either slice it, or lob it, that's even true for players all the way upto 4.5 or even some 5.0, especially against a pro where you have to return that shot 10 feet behind the baseline if you want any chance of getting it back to the court

[@javierbonilla9762]

Thanks dude, that was fun!

[@saqrbasim4184]

Please do a video about racing drivers; WRC drivers or F1 drivers would be highly appreciated!! thanks for the content & keep up the good work❤

[@JusTennis]

It's all about perspective, tennis shown on TV usually 100 ft away, and things normally seems slow from far distance. That's why amateurs think they can hang. Just go watch any pro in real life. Any amateur would be scare on the receiving end

[@chjcptt]

Great video. Usually, the less the people play the more confident they are.

[@christianpineda717]

This is the exact reason why I can’t stand people who say oh he’s ranked 500 in the world he sucks or literally say that about a top 10 ranked player they look like absolute idiots the ego some people have and confidence is so unrealistic

[@boranseliliqsu6707]

The music at 6:46 is so sick! Could you please share the link to it?

[@rikmcdik6662]

“It’s just one game, how hard could it be?”

[@bogdanrc]

I'm a decent tennis player, with a serve close to 200kph... I will never win a point (not a game) against a top 10 player fair and square. I played top 1000 players and they completely annihilated me. I won points only because I was either lucky or they were really not giving even 50%

[@james1327]

You need to do Alcaraz. This is a great way of analyzing. Super interesting.

[@todlele9990]

Like the way practicing forehand swing at last 😅

[@sean9267]

I got to "train" with a top 200 player coming off an ankle injury when I was 17. Main point was so I could drill forehands cross court to his backhand, a one hander. At the time I had never been as winded after hitting for 10 minutes. The guy could only move at 25% yet destroyed me on cross court drills. The difference in a NTRP 5.0 and a 6.0 or 6.5 is massive.

[@jellaoud9712]

This was great! Using data to confirm the words of a pro, both are legitimate and make each other stronger.

[@andrewmccauley6262]

Great video but it legitimately pained me that you needed a website to tell you 24 frames at 30 frames/s is 0.8s. You just divide your frames by the fps, that is all the website is doing! 24/30 = 0.8

[@JakeOfAllTrades-Ginger]

You are absolutely right, now you know how bad I am at math haha!

[@smithjoshua99]

I practiced with a D1 player (13 UTR), a handful of times and it hurt. It hurt to try and rally forehands at such a high speed let alone my one handed backhand. The topspin, the pace, the intensity. It was like he was hitting fireball after fireball at me

[@HarryJohnson69]

And that’s still miles away from pros 15-16 UTR

[@greenlampshade8909]

​@@HarryJohnson69 A bit of an exaggeration. UTR13 is insanely good. A few matches against UTR14+ going their way and they're a top 200 player in the world. The differences of UTR13+ players are minuscule, not miles.

[@geemy9675]

@@greenlampshade8909 its the same as saying the diffference between top 100 and top 10 is tiny or between top 10 and top 1 It's actually a big difference, even if players sometimes beat much better rated players

[@greenlampshade8909]

@@geemy9675 It is miniscule what separates the great, the good, and the hopeful. The differences rarely lie in talent, but rather within the head, heart, and guts/balls. The OP would likely notice no difference between rallying with the UTR 13 and Novak Djokovic. Maybe the insane spin rates of Nadal and Ruud would be noticeable. But a UTR 13 is every bit an equal to a top 10 player while rallying with a practice partner.

[@dannywhite9975]

8:54 - I'm impressed tho I'd advise 2 take a look at Andre Agassi's unreal bh return in GSC final v Rios and another insane return in Master rr 1989 v Becker.

[@noeldacosta7621]

What would interest me is an analysis of these infrared speed guns that one can buy and how accurate they are. I hate the idea that my maximum service speed is about 80mph but that's what these devices say. Most pros can serve at over 100mph on average. Also makes a huge difference.

[@jaimejack0282]

first, pros have amazing technique, second you need new balls to test the speed, after 3hours using them they become slower I think

[@lostpianist]

If Djokovich was drunk and I was playing my best game and played about 50 games against him, Id get a game 😅

[@pooolish334]

And if his hands and feet were tied on top of that, then, you might get a point. But not a game.

[@lostpianist]

@@pooolish334 🤣

[@olegyamleq7796]

this is friggin' brilliant!!!!!!!!!!! thanks dude!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@evanbelcher]

This reminds me of that tech bro who thought he could "memorize an algorithm" in 30 days to beat Magnus Carlsen in a game of chess. People just don't get how vast the difference in skill is between the best and even other professionals, let alone amateurs. The hubris is extremely entertaining, or frustrating, depending on your mood. My thought process is always the following: if anyone random joe who played could beat the best in the world in a random game, it wouldn't be a professional sport because anyone could win, and it would end up coming down to luck more than skill. But no, the same people can consistently beat everyone else all the time, that's what it means to be a professional.

[@ribbonsofnight]

30 days of training and he could probably beat Magnus Carlsen, if he was spotted a queen ... & a rook.

[@MMM18092]

I am a decent club player but I think I would lose 0-6 0-6 to player A who would lose 0-6 0-6 to player B who would lose 0-6 0-6 to someone ranked around the 1,000 mark. That player in return would struggle to win a game against Djokovic, at least if Djokovic had a strong incentive to win 6-0 6-0.

[@PercyTP5161]

Amazing, thought provoking video.

[@Igorrosenthal]

I regularly play a former (now retired) 562 ranked female in the WTA. I’m about a 4.5 (been playing over 10 years since my early teens, and if i’m on an insane day, and she’s on a average day, I can get 1 game. And that’s it

[@mariehart4294]

I am an avid amateur tennis player (USTA 4.5). I once had the opportunity to hit with a Division I head coach who had played at the US Open. My first thought when I stepped on the court was was there is no way I would win a game. After rallying a bit, I wondered if I could win a point. After trying to return their serve, I came to the conclusion that on most points, I would be lucky if I touched the ball.! There is a HUGE chasm between an amateur and professional tennis player!!

[@brenthargreaves7085]

If you are a decent player athletic and 5ft 8 and you play an excellent player who is 6ft 3the difference in power is so huge small amateurs can beat tall amateurs.Tall pros not so much! its a bit like basketball.

[@franekalebic5051]

I think a similar point can be made for almost all sports, we only ever watch pros go against other pros, and that way it is easy for people to forget how insanely good these people are at what they do. A no300 in the world for example would look "bad" against Dokovic, but is a universe above an amateur player. I think some basketball player put in nice when he said that the worst player in NBA is closer to Lebron James than an average man is to that worst player. Also, I think the Dunning-Kruger effect comes in the play here, I'm willing to bet that people who play tennis a few times a week are LESS likely to think they can get a game against a pro than people who play almost never.

[@pencilcheck]

frying pan tennis!!!

[@rostomyan]

Man, this is great job

[@hamzaa.8082]

It seems that many people have a hard time appreciating how hard tennis is actually. It is like a football fan who thinks he can outplay a professional footballer!

[@martinrosemary5654]

Well Swing vison is a well knows phone app the tell you the speed and other things about your shots while recording..

[@mdazam6477]

It is baked into them. It is somewhat gift (height/weight/hand eye etc) and immense training from age 4/5. My son plays tennis and i have seen how these kids train. age 5-18 Years, 5 hours of training per day, 5 or more days per week. Do the math. Basically they become machines if they can sustain this without major injury at that point.

[@enematwatson1357]

The "Hold my beer" crowd strikes again. 😅

[@g_webb21]

82% very optimistic people 😂

[@POK2008]

Forget winning a game off of an ATP or WTA pro, most people wouldn’t win a game off a D1 player. If you’re lucky, and I do mean lucky, maybe you will win a point or two over 2 sets, but forget about a game.

[@Largecanyondog]

As a 4.5 usta amateur I could hang around with college players, guys that played some challenger events. I hit against a guy once that was a low level pro and beat some known names. He flattened me.

[@user-go8oj4dl4w]

Is there any video of a 4.5 vs a challenger level player? I can't imagine they would win many points over a set, let alone get near to winning a game.

[@jokelot5221]

That Gonzales shot, i saw Djokovic digs a countles of such shots from some massive hitters. Its like he can teleport to the other corner of the court, stretch and get that back. And that ability even stuns his biggest rivals. Now imagine playing that guy, that not only reacts to shots that need 0.3 seconds to react on average, but can also counterpunch from those. Yea, easy day for you, easy day 😂

[@greenlampshade8909]

Djokovic prowess lies in the knowledge that, outside of Federer, Alcaraz, and a few others, he is playing a generation of passive-aggressive baseliners (PABs) that will not take the forecourt to finish off a point at net when Djokovic is put in a vulnerable position. PAB tennis is not good tennis. Entertaining? Yes. Good? No. Djokovic is the perfect foil for one of the weakest generations of men's tennis and he has reaped the rewards.

[@jokelot5221]

And you are saying to much bs and crying so hard because Djokovic smashed your idol mr 40:15 and now he is doing just fine against his younger version. Also you ventured to deep inside Fed and Alcaraz's ahole, you should have brought a flashlight with you and be careful so that you don't lose yourself in the dark 😂You Fedal fangirls chack me up so much. Such beta's you are 🤣

[@cs16Tactics]

This video is very interesting, but I feel like some of the numbers don't really make sense or don't add up. For example correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you use numbers in 1:28 - 1:42 from contact point to ball bounce. That's not reaction time and that's not really telling you valuable information I don't think. Counting how long does it takes from Player1 contact point to Player2 contact point makes much more sense, when both are at baseline. Secondly, the speed of the ball _BEFORE_ your contact matters so much, what you don't take account when comparing / reviewing the pro matches and your ball machine. Even a wall can "shoot" balls extremely fast (if you just hit hard towards a wall), but that doesn't really prove anything now does it :D

[@matthewpinas92]

I could win a point against a pro... if they double-faulted.

[@BionicOne1]

Some perspective: I am around rank 150 on men's 30 in tennis in Germany which is quite competitive here. We play in the second league mens 30 here. 2 seasons ago i played a Brazilian guy ranked 120 ATP hi rank. Score was 0:6 0:6 - i was not even close to get a game.