WHY APEX LEGENDS IS SLOWLY DYING

[@AlphaOmega-c6n]

It’s slowly dying cause of matchmaking no one want to play pubs and run into a player with 100k kills with two others with similar kills and all badges the casual will play a few times and give up

[@skooo2418]

Ye, and the teammates i get all flame me for only killing 1 guy in a 1v6 and running away while they are both downed. No one wants to waste time on them

[@becausebreast3042]

The main issue of apex is not the matchmaking but the same problem than others games… you can’t play correctly in solo q. I’m master at every season in solo q but in impossible for me to up more… too difficult and it’s difficult to be master too, too many peoples plays in team

[@gundarsmiks4889]

Thats one of reasons, yes...

[@ryanolsen294]

true, same with people who play a lot but aren't pro lvl.

[@bruv1039]

​@@skooo2418ranked queues are full of duos where one player is decent their friend is a zero awareness, shit talking noob.

[@lilbeartv9039]

I mean honestly finding a way to stop people from having alt accounts would greatly help the new player experience/lower rank experience. Way too many people are guilty of hitting a wall at diamond, masters or predator then hop on alt accounts to literally destroy lobbies.

[@ChristopherBurress]

Its not even the smurfs that are the biggest problem, brand new level 5 players are going against legitimate 50k kill players just because the matchmaking is so busted. Its like the game is smurfing for them.

[@lilbeartv9039]

@ well I’m more focused on ranked because the regular mode is flat out busted. At least in ranked you don’t have over half the lobby landing in 2 close POIs to all die off in the first couple of minutes. In ranked you do end up fighting some pretty unfair matchmaking in the sense of a top ranked pred from last season but from my experience that happens way less than obvious smurf accounts.

[@ksd6385]

Or people just want to play with friends who are not as good But I guess thats crime in the eyes of casual players

[@lilbeartv9039]

@@ksd6385 oh chill out you know that’s not the case for most part, it’s mainly sweats trying to drop high kill games.

[@elimgarak1127]

Alt accounts are the only reason they have "new players" to report to investors. They'll never ban smurfs.

[@jacoblockemy8512]

ACEU SAID IT. RANKED NEEDS TO BE SOLO QUE ONLY. BUT NO ONE WANTS THAT CONVO.

[@alexcrawford5114]

so we cant rank up with friends? crazy take

[@suddenshadow]

@alexcrawford5114 rank up in fortnite with your friends instead

[@OneGunSalute]

Should be solo/duo que and 3 stack que a separate rank. Then again there isn't enough players for all of that.

[@lenk1432]

who?

[@lRockyI]

@@OneGunSalute they have it in destiny 2 trials of osiris freelance is what they call it where u can only match solos or duos in a 3v3 gamemode, its fire but i agree apex cant do it theres just not enough players

[@-LAH]

I see this game becoming like a fighting game where there's no casuals and the game gets progressively harder as the playerbase gets better over time. The game's not dead if ea are prepared to live with a medium sized loyalist playerbase that remains stable but won't grow. They could just have their Team Fortress 2 that is semi-immortal but they'd probably rather shut it down.

[@HenrySuggs-by5nd]

The game just sucks there’s hardly any new content and the map rotations suck this season all we got was relics and a lifeline rework and support legends buff

[@mostafakhalel5479]

I'm solo que, the game is not fun anymore. it feels like a job.. so stressing with almost no rewards. the servers are bad and game health is bad. Nothing is fun in the game.

[@czellerbalint2232]

Really sad to hear you hate your job that much

[@mostafakhalel5479]

@czellerbalint2232 I've been searching for another job for 2 years.. wish me luck

[@NickLauck]

You're right Mande. Ranked is ranked and there's no reason that Silver and Gold players should ever be in a Masters or Pred lobby on ranked. Period. This applies to pubs too, I should never be in a lobby with someone that has 5KD, with my tiny 1KD.

[@MikeGrau0hr]

think it to the end: rn we have a 5kd player and you at 1kd in the same lobby - you want him to go vs other 5kd players and you to go vs other 1kd? that would lead to your kd rising and theirs to fall off - which would then put you in the same lobbies again. point being: you cant match people according to their kd or winrate only. topic is way more complex than you think - thats why theres mmr. respawn/ea do suck - but in this case theyre obviously a step ahead of you already. theres no easy solutions. if youre interested in how apex matchmaking actually works read "EOMM: An Engagement Optimized Matchmaking Framework" by the UCLA. its a scientific paper which got published in cooperation with ea. it explains their goals and why sbmm is no suitable choice for their purpose.

[@disasterpieces9026]

@@MikeGrau0hr interesting bro. Thanks for sharing!

[@MikeGrau0hr]

@@disasterpieces9026 glad i found someone who is actually interested in understanding and finding solutions rather than just complaining.^^

[@elimgarak1127]

The simple solution to that is probability of outcome defining points gained. Three stack masters roll up on plats? You get next to no rewards for the kills.

[@Se7en_e1even]

There is no such thing as matchmaking when player count is so low, who they gonna match u with?? There was a season when match making was actually working (in rank) and Que’s were 30+ min in rank. No reason?? The reason is not enough players to make match making work, pretty simple.

[@justinhui5661]

I've literally never been higher than silver 3 in my apex career and I routinely run into plats, diamonds, masters, preds and movement sweats in my ranked games for some psychotic reason.

[@aster2308]

thats just cap, stop spreading misinformation. This problem only exists in the top echelon of rank because there of rank density, there is absolutely reason you would run against higher ranks in silver lobbies because Gold and below ranks have healthy amount of population.

[@justinorbit902]

I hit D4 once all soloq during COVID when I had lots of time to play. I feel like I'm pretty ok at FPS games, but man it is not fun to get into fights I was never going to win against an organized team. A bad college basketball team is going to roll over a pickup team from your local spot, even if the best player is better than anyone on the team practices together. Something about staying with randos never seems to work either.

[@MikeGrau0hr]

if you want a change, make a change. if you realize playing with randoms leads to random results - stop playing with randoms. instead invest the time equivalent of a few matches to find people to play with :) you got it right with the basketball analogy - playing solo will limit your potential to improve. as soon as you keep playing with the same people you will be able to improve on a whole other level. which is the intended way to play the game! solo is just a challenge you can go for an evening when nobody else is on. it will be frustrating tho by design as soon as you try to achieve certain results. be smart.

[@Stoplaughingatme]

This is a fuckin goat comment dude you my friend are high iq​@@MikeGrau0hr

[@AtilaeusGaming]

Terrible matchmaking killed ranked for a lot of people, so they switched to pubs, then SBMM finished off that group’s motivation to play even that

[@kit99bar]

Mande is 100% right that soloQ sucks. Either remove trio stacks in Master (or Diamond?) or lower the cost for SoloQ. One of those would help a lot.

[@CritcalThinker37986]

Been asking for this for 4 or 5 years. It’s too late. EA and Respawn probably saw pre made players buying more skins and were happy with the matchmaking. Now the games dead and they wonder why.

[@elimgarak1127]

Overwatch of all games did it right. The larger your team size in queue, the more you were punished and the less you were rewarded. The same should be the case in Apex. Not only does it make ranked better for normal people, it makes boosters and cheaters lives miserable as they need to do twice as much for half the reward.

[@benjaminfranklinstyl]

Sounds like a cheap solution... Just makes it differently unfair​@@elimgarak1127

[@sorryshiina6264]

Overwatch used to alloy 6-man queues for ranked and would give them harsher matchmaking, almost always trying to match them with another 6-man group. However, people abused that to cheese the ranked system, queuing at certain times on certain servers to guarantee that their Grandmaster 6-stack would match against some poor fuck Diamond players. Many early seasons had this same dickhead with 5000SR just camping Rank 1. They then changed it so you can only duo queue past Masters and despite solving the problem, it also effectively halved Twitch viewership. Suddenly streamers couldn't play with their friends and pro or T2 teams couldn't 6-man to practice outside of scrims. The Apex solo q experience is complete dogass but so many of the solutions will either result in even longer queues or a boring viewing experience. Like, imagine Mande, Gen and no Xera. Or Mande, Gen, Xera and 40 minute queue times. That's pretty much what's gonna happen if matchmaking or 3-stack queues get changed.

[@nohoemode155]

the thing that makes me quit every single time is seeing me in a plat lobby having 2k dmg and both of my teammates having under 300 after 10 min game. Some people are just so bad at this game and I don't know how they get above silver.

[@jonathonrice4834]

On God. Why even play ranked at that point if your barely ready for pubs matches🤷🤦‍♂️

[@TheOnlyVipey]

That is the biggest issue with ranked. You are rewarded for ratting. It should be kills x placement modifier. If you participate in 0 kills you get 0 RP. It's not that hard to fix imo

[@MikeGrau0hr]

banger take: if increased matchmaking quality leads to high waiting times - let players play tdm or go in firing range meanwhile? honestly all points are kinda valid tho and could improve upon the game as is now but heres the thing: respawn/ea dont care about making the game better - they just want to increase their earnings.

[@SYONiQ]

OW ranked has much longer wait times at higher ranks. But yes they have other modes to play in the meantime to preserve matchmaking quality.

[@ericpowell4350]

My matchmaking gripe is matching with nubes or non-team players. They literally go off exploring the map or go "cowboy" and try to take on an entire team by themselves. I'm at the point that I just quit the game even in if comes with a penalty.

[@Dominicksomer]

@@ericpowell4350 Same here but i got my account fixed now through someone i suggest you send a request for help

[@Dominicksomer]

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[@jp-cb8wc]

High diamond to master player here. I stopped playing the game when they kept f-ing around with the ranked rp. When kills were not incentivized and ratting became the name of the game I knew I was done. I realize it is different now. But I can no long get behind a game that only listens to algs players on how ranked rp should be calculated. Just because ranked is easy when you are 3 stacking with pros doesn't mean the rest of the player base should suffer for your entertainment.

[@elimgarak1127]

There's only so many kills you can get in a game. That leaves maybe 4 or 5 teams with a decent kill count while 15 simply can't. Winning has to mean something just as much as kills do. There's an easier solution to ratting, and that's kill barriers for actual rank up. Don't meet the threshold? No rank up. Lots of ways to fix it.

[@munk6212]

Not the main issue at hand but a lot of my worst games have been with random duos who feed into each others bad habits (taking too long to loot, pushing or hard committing to bad fights, not playing ring, egging on bad mental thru comms) so I think making it only possible to queue by yourself past plat or above might help people develop more flexible play styles and in turn weed out people who are all micro no macro

[@munk6212]

ultimately what they're really battling is creating an environment where players are getting fair games but also engaging in experiences that will make them better (silvers learn nothing from being mowed down by preds). You need to slow down the types of people who want to ape everything and speed up the types who play this like a looting simulator.

[@ThayefK]

I remember when it was so bad having those duos I used to type ‘remember it’s a trio game not duo’ because they’d be in party doing their own thing

[@munk6212]

@@ThayefK yeah a lot of them are in their own discord VC's until you make a mistake or don't read their minds.

[@masaapex8873]

APEX was too slow to do anything. They are very poor at both anti-cheat and anti-converter measures, and at adjusting weapons. They are the two extremes.

[@masaapex8873]

I quit APEX a month ago. Then we moved to fortnite. As a result, happiness has increased. This game is a game where everything goes bad. I really felt like shit when I saw the current environment characters.

[@laphTV]

bro there are people who wait over an hour in cs and they dont care because they get a good game. people do not mind if they wait 10 minutes in que if they get a fair game

[@northgambit]

the average player would definitely mind. And that's where the money is in the end, the general player population.

[@flix5668]

a cs game lasts for at least 15m assuming a 13-0 stomp, waiting 10m in lobby for 1m of hotdrop -> die gameplay would be completely different

[@MikeGrau0hr]

especially no issue when they would let us play tdm/dm/firing range meanwhile. not like no other game has done that before.

[@laphTV]

@@MikeGrau0hr exactly like ow2

[@EddiLuxemburg]

@@flix5668 If you die after hotdropping you can't complain! in ANY other br players aren't stupid enough to do this over and over again because it's not tdm, only in apex is this a problem and one that only those who do it can solve, drop outside and loot as you go to the ring as Mirage explains in the opening cinematic(available in game) -hot drop and dying is a player problem, Not matchmaking with players around the same stats as yours in your team and who you play against is a Game problem!

[@zoocomma]

Mande gen and xera just wiping lobby at their rank, having a podcast while at it, imagine us who dont even have two friends in the lobby. lol

[@temrynlavigne1994]

I wish we could all agree to play zones in ranked. That along with getting put with teammates who would literally lose to a gold fish on an iq test is what kills it for me. Everybody wants to fight in zone nobody wants to play a good position or defend something its like everybody plays ranked like its pubs and vice versa

[@Ephyum]

You said it yourself. Everyone plays ranked like it’s pubs because the fact pubs is and has been garbage. You get 0 action in pubs unless you land hotspots, as a 4.7kd player I always get teammates that have the iq of a fetus..

[@AwakeNotWokeBruh]

7:08 if you were wondering where the answer is ❤

[@vagabondcaleb8915]

Diamond+ players should only be allowed to solo queue ranked. BUT they also should make an "elite" playlist that is only for 3 stacks of diamond+ players. You can find other good players by solo queuing... And you also get really high match quality in "elite" playlist. You give special rewards for "elite" playlist, and people would actually care about these types of rewards, similar to ranked badges.

[@angrySandy]

@@vagabondcaleb8915 Well, it will make more people not want to play the game. Many people play games to hang out with friends and ranked brings a good balance of sweat and causal conversation. Even if other diamond players are good, it reduces the time you get to spend with your friends and thus they will move to another game. Or in other hand, one toxic random will ruin your night and can make you annoyed for the rest of your games. So, I do not think this is a good solution at all.

[@vagabondcaleb8915]

@angrySandy No. You didn't read what I wrote or didn't understand it. You can still play ranked with your friends if any of you are plat or lower. You just have to play "elite" if you want to 3 stack with diamond or higher and then you face only other 3 stacks. Nothing you said applies to anything I said.

[@sethadelman8]

Yea this sounds like a good solution but splitting the diamond+ lobbies into 2 different ones would dramatically increase q times and basically mean no one can play during the middle of the night

[@vagabondcaleb8915]

@seth Not really. You just can't 3 stack with other good players. Doing this makes the match quality terrible for everyone else so solo queuers already can't play at night. You can still 3 stack, you just have to wait a little longer and you don't get to run the lobby bcs it's way misbalanced in your favor.

[@sethadelman8]

"cant 3 stack with good players" what? ur saying that u cant play with ur friends in ranked unless u sweat in the stacked lobby? And again there are not enough active players who would 3 stack (also at diamond+) to make more than 1 game an hour

[@yozhe11]

I feel that part of why Apex is losing so many players is because the community has gotten older, I was 13 when Apex came out and now I'm in University. There are so many other things I need to do than just play Apex Legends. I also feel that other issues (Terrible matchmaking, terrible servers, dying to a pred 3-stack in a public lobby, really bad microtransation policy, etc.) add to the fact that a lot of people just don't have any real reasons to keep playing. It also doesn't help that I've basically only played Solo-Queue for 1600 hours. :D

[@drylith508]

I think mandes thoughts are going in the right direction. Bringing a „solo“ entry mode into the ranked would open a way to balance out teams randomly. So even if the lobby got gold - pred players, then teams would be „even“

[@AlphaOmega-c6n]

Mande he’s rite lowering entry cost like 5 or ten max but u have a point as well entry cost won’t matter if u going against master and preds as master and pred players and your a plat player its so annoying

[@fwak12345]

It's not dying per say. Just all that's left are sweats and casuals that boot up for 3 games and then like Mande said, get discouraged and get off. I've become like this with every game I used to enjoy. As a casual in pubs you get smacked around by stacks, in ranked same thing. Solo teammates are also usual of little help to each other as they don't spend time playing together day in and day out. Games may need to adopt more mercenary style gaming, solos play with solos and teams play with teams, if they want more people to actually enjoy them for longer periods. And sorry Gen, but IDGAF about your queue times, you are a pro whose job it is to play the game. Suck it up and spend the time entertaining the chat with your personality between games.

[@a.m.d4095]

Once you hit masters you can only solo q your way to pred and have the option to play masters stakes mode. 3 stack with masters against masters with a 100 apex coin entry cost. Pred needs to be more rewarding for players to try get it and you only get it if you're pred at the end. Rewards could consist of heirloom shards, exotic shards, apex coins, some sort of aura around the legend some otherwise unobtainable skins,emotes,finishers,backdrops in the lobby and animated loading screens [especially as the q time would be high in the masters stakes mode]

[@supermaybdo]

changing entry cost won't do anything. game should disable premades above a certain rank

[@Vestigexx]

u are 100% right. I only come on when i have friends on. Solo is just a waste of time and negative RP every game. Yup i'm the hardstuck diamond.

[@irhcsa]

Mandy gets it. I've died to triple stacked preds, sweet dooplex and hundreds more in plat 1. Literally every death since plat 1 has been preds. Now in d4 it's even worse.

[@scomp120]

I’d definitely prefer to wait a little longer in the lobby to have a more balanced game.

[@ProbablyKnives]

Apex is dying but it’s also the highest rp for Xbox ranked cap ever.

[@BrunoAntkiewicz-l6s]

Came for the gameplay, stayed for the conversation. Truth is my beloved Apex is dying, ranked on Brasil servers do not exist anymore, playing Full time in na :(

[@sometingwong4209]

I shouldn’t have to find two more ppl that I need to play with 24/7 and only play with them to rank up in this game

[@MrCombs234]

You guys just talked more about ways to help this game on just this short video than any of the devs or suits at EA have in 3 years total. They don't care about the quality of this game. They only care about making money from skins and heirlooms.

[@bragi3167]

I do like mande's take, I solo q to masters every season but no matter how much I play I will not be hitting pred due to the sheer difference of communications between the pro 3 stacks we play and me and my 2 randoms.

[@Ivan_Zarkov]

Solo player here. My first match in D4 this season was against 6 preds, 6 masters. My random teammates: one D4 and one platinum 3… but I hate my life anyway, so I’m ok with that.

[@jjjj-ms1ln]

7:09 W talks as always.. As a person who does solo queue (with not much playtime), it's simply impossible to win against trios especially with current support meta. I am okay with meta being a little imbalanced because I just use them. But even with similar ranks and skills the difference between duo and me or just me and two random is huge..

[@tnadymacek]

Why Apex slowly dying.. proceeds to absolutely bully everyone. Yeah.. :D

[@kindrogue5586]

Alternate solution: Basing the ranking of a team on it's highest ranking player is a good idea. But it doesn't actually emphasize being in a three stack, especially for the highest ranked player. It's basically playing with fixed teammates that are for sure has lower elo than him than gettin some randoms, which is 100% better. You can make it so every player in the same queue adds some persentage of their elo to the other players (10%/20% 25% or something) for example: let's say elo system is just numbers. We have A, B,C with elos 500, 600, 700 respectively (10% is the percentage) if they 3 stack, matchmaking will act like they have 630(500+60+70), 720 (600+50+70) and 810 (700+50+60). So they'll be rewarded and punished as if they were a higher ranked player (including entry costs, underdog bonuses etc.) without actually reaching that rank. This won't work on higher levels such as masters and preds (and maybe diamond idk I have no idea) and in those just make it solo only. League of Legends had duo queue for all the ladder and implemented soloqueue only for master+ (or only challenger I'm not sure) and it worked wonders. No one cared anyways since if you're grinding to the top of the ladder, you're aiming to be the best at the game. Even diamond is "playing with friends" tier. While masters and/or pred should be for "I wanna be the best at this game" players.

[@tylerspaulding5045]

Mande is right for me at least. Solo experience is abysmal sometimes. People dropping solo opposite side of map and just straight up being antagonistic to say the least

[@kenny4872]

Ranked doesn’t offer much reward and lacks differentiation. In Predator teams, the opponents are mostly Platinum players, and with this season’s easier climb, it will likely be mostly Diamond players soon. Additionally, in Asia, Predator teams generally have the authority to ban cheaters, which makes it less likely for cheaters to play against them. In the current environment, average players don’t get to experience this, and even if you’re skilled, playing without good teammates leads to a poor experience. I believe that restricting Predator and Master to solo queues would help balance the skill levels. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be hard to adjust the entry fees or scoring system for solo, duo, and trio queues. After all, since there’s no real differentiation now, allowing everyone to easily reach Master would increase the number of players.

[@flowerslead7583]

Apex Legends is at a point where fixing its problems might not be worth it anymore. Solo players often get matched against full squads of trios, which feels super unfair. Ideas like cheaper entry costs or separate solo and trio queues sound nice, but they’d make wait times way longer. Most players-especially casual ones-don’t want to sit around for 10-15 minutes just to play one game. Even with these changes, it probably wouldn’t fix the real problem of the game’s shrinking player base. As more players leave, matchmaking gets worse. With fewer people, it’s harder to create balanced games, no matter what changes are made. Apex used to have a huge community, but that’s not the case anymore. Even if the developers made big updates, it’s unlikely enough people would come back to make a difference. And with newer games coming out all the time, Apex is losing the attention it once had. Trying to save Apex would take tons of time and money, and there’s no promise it would work. That effort could go into creating new games or improving others that are more popular right now. Apex was an amazing game and changed the way we think about battle royales, but all games have their time. Instead of trying to save something that’s fading, maybe it’s time to focus on what’s next.

[@itswhatDEXTER]

The best way to fix the ranked experience for solo/duo queue is simple, 3 stacking is only allowed til Plat. Once you're in Plat and Diamond you can only solo/duo queue, once you hit Master you can only solo queue. Casuals who want to game together can do so until they hit Plat because Plat is considered the higher end of casual players (if they're truly casual then this is where they stop regardless). Diamond is where things get a little more competitive so take away the 3 stack advantage. Once someone hits Master they can either choose to claim their respectable rank and call it quits for the split or they can attempt to push for Pred. Only those with the resolve to tough it out solo queue in the highest ELO lobbies should be entitled to earn Pred to begin with. Pushing for Master? Guess what buddy, no 3 man Master hand holding anymore from G4 to Master, either you earn it solo or play with a single friend who also wants to make the push. You wanna be Pred? Earn it with YOUR skill and YOUR adaptability to random teammates, if you truly are an Apex Predator then you shouldn't need to rely on your teammates matching your 10+ kills and 3000+ damage every single game. "Oh well it's a team game." Okay, comm with your randoms and show them why you're the Pred. It's so simple yet so many people are dodging this concept. Why.

[@MrKarma4ya]

@@itswhatDEXTER Stupidest take I've read

[@reedog1016]

this 1000% I wish the pros and the devs saw it this way. also lower lvl lobbies will have shorter q times(cause theres more ppl) and higher ones longer but thats how it should work. I think when Mande says longer q times people take it as everyone will have longer q's but it will only be for the higher lvl lobbies which is how it is for every other competitive game.

[@itswhatDEXTER]

this would simultaneously solve the teaming issues on console as well. It's literally a win/win for everyone

[@angelsaucedo2231]

This is an INCREDIBLY no friends take. And I’m a solo q 100%

[@user-bf3fg5iy1i]

@@angelsaucedo2231 No, bro's right. If you're truly an Apex Pred, regardless of the challenges thrown at you, you will reach that title.

[@KindaPinkDiamond]

Fortnite keeps itself fresh with every new update, while I can't even remember when was the last time a new gun dropped.

[@tojimaru]

a new gun would be insane, but we already have majority of the tf2 roster in apex so everything else would have to be an original idea and would essentially take longer to create

[@NoDFX_]

​@@tojimaru there already is a bow lmg in the files, a duel wild smg, and a few other. They already created them, they just don't add them.

[@thissilverlancer7234]

Being a R301 Professional, yes it getting harder for all of us

[@johnli9860]

Easy solution: for Dimond and Pred lobby you add the revival game mode and ppl split the scores based on the K/D, so they may w8 long for a game but each game they play longer.

[@Ed-iu2lq]

For me it's the meta this season along with constantly running into more people cheating/using strike packs.

[@angelsaucedo2231]

His solution is laughable but I know he is ridiculously right and I already see many players agreeing with his take. It’s an imaginary video game rank kids. It shouldn’t matter at all but it’s like lots of you wear your fictional rank as a point of pride. My issue in solo q is it’s like 75% incompetent teammates vs serious triple stacks. I could care less about rp protecting my worthless imaginary video game rank. I REALLY enjoyed the season they tried to have like challenges to move up to the next rank. There’s no way campers and 200 dmg andies were gonna win a game or get 6 kills before they failed their promotion test. Somehow I’m in plat with idiots who die with 74 and 28 dmg or are still hot dropping. Last night I just counted my teammates time. 1min 17 seconds and back to the lobby they went. (I don’t even bother reviving them at that point)

[@Ephyum]

I’m only commenting based off your first part of your comment. It may be an “imaginary” rank but being that high of a rank at something usually pays off in terms of 💰

[@elimgarak1127]

Ranks would be cool if they were actual ranks rather than time sinks. Pred isn't who's best, it's who plays more. Overwatch had that down within a handful of seasons in it's first year.

[@angelsaucedo2231]

@@elimgarak1127 I need to see it in action. Playing more than anyone and being at the top kind of go hand in hand.

[@angelsaucedo2231]

@@Ephyum Deffo the 21 year old no lifer who goes straight from his irl shift to a 6 hour gaming shift is LOADED.

[@Spectrasweapon1]

Make it so you can only stack up to Plat/Diamond, and then only solo

[@LAustinTheSauce]

How to fix ranked in one simple step... REMOVE SQUADS. Make it solo entry only, and you get randomly put with 2 other randoms so you never can team up. just gotta deal with the solo Q like everyone else.

[@florex__]

Entry cost should be variable depending on what composition of lobby you end up in. You should not have to decide before and pray to the matchmaking gods, you get a good game

[@tiaraguy7705]

I'm down to make it no solo Q past diamond, all masters and preds have to play solo. It honestly makes them getting a friend in their team more hype

[@tojimaru]

ngl I think gen and mande have good ideas but they're basically going in two different directions. With mande's idea, you get higher quality matches with higher queue times yet it doesn't necessarily fix the 3 stack issue - but with gen you get the current setup just less reward for playing as a 3 stack. As a hardstuck diamond solo queue player, most teams at this level are 3 stacks and its really obvious who is and isn't queued together.

[@williamloughlin2578]

Yeah I’m in the same boat as you. I’m diamond 2 soloQ all the way up, and there’s usually around 18 preds in my games. I can typically tell within the first few sprays going off whether it’s a fight we should take or not because it’s just so obvious when the pred stacks show up..and 9/10 team mates just get clapped in the first 5 seconds and I run away and they rage on comms even though not a single shield was broken or anything.. they just want you to run in and 3v1 , shits crazy and sooooo frustrating

[@nohoemode155]

as a decent player, I have a miserable time solo queueing all the time. Like I'm able to progress do d2 and then it's over. Additionaly the way to d2 is so obnoxiously painful cause 9 in 10 games my teammates are dead off drop or die in a stupid way. Every single solo q player who's not a top tier level just suffers the same.

[@chenzoishim7748]

mande is right, reducing the cost to queue would really do anything, the game is actually just too stale... doesn't matter if your entry cost is low if you have a horrible time in the game...

[@achilles8]

also this meta is awful for solo queue, your options are play support and revive your teammates who 80% of the time do nothing or have no support on your team and lose your first fight to a 3 stack with lifeline and newcastle

[@SalzIt]

Why dont I see anyone questioning the reset of ranks (like splits or season start)? Why does apex do this? Make it harder to progress but make the ranks more stable. The frist week of season is just sweaty and a no go for me..

[@Bubatu7]

They probably do this to incentivize people to come back, there's always a wave of players because of it.

[@MikeGrau0hr]

things you do when you cant offer actual content. yes ofc rank resets are not healthy for the game.

[@projekteratai]

What if? Once reach Master, we only queue up with master and pred in a NEW smaller map with the cap of 5 teams/match so the queue time is not gonna be too long. This ranked match will be named PREDATOR ARENA This is solve 1. Lower ranked getting stomped by master (max diamond player in a lobby) 2. Pred only fight pred for pred rank 3. The urge of ego from Top player who need special arena too prove themself 4. Pred ranked is more prestigious This will not only solve those problem, but make the game more interesting to watch because the Top arena is always ALGS tier gameplay every match. Of course with this we can spot cheater more faster too, those top player are most influencer and have enough game sense to sense cheater. Just put Dev in every pred match to be ready.

[@vakral9997]

They won't split the queues, but there should be a queue like Rocket League has. If you 3 stack you are put in harder lobbies than if you solo queue. If you were a Diamond solo queue player in Rocket League, your solo queue games will be against other Diamonds while your 3 stack opponents will be a mix of Platinum and Diamond. I think the 3 stacking is infinitely worse too with this meta, since almost every 3 stack is the same comp. You either have 3 movement legends who just W key or 3 supports.

[@wawe1642]

Which stream is the one???

[@itsyoboigucci7578]

Apex is slowly dying because it's completely a difference experience when playing today compared to when it first got launched. The addition of a thousand different legends has made this game chaotic. Back in the day, this game was simple.. just shoot ur gun, get the kills... take cover.. heal up.. make rotations and move on... just like any other BR today. People think it's the alt accounts and grieifing but its not that. It has become way more confusing for new players. They are blasted with 30 different legends in their face the first game.. .and lots of legends are nerfed, lots of OG guns are nerfed.. they are putting ground guns on fckin care package lmao like what?? Care package should always have special gun like Kraber or something.. not some gun which we used to found as ground loot... braindead??? All these studpid things, and when a new player joins Apex... he is confused, he can't find a way to improve..

[@alexdoyz998]

Ranked should only be solo que. The difference in strength is so disproportionate for a random made squad of 3 solos and 3 stack of friends all playing together

[@samuellim1585]

I think if they discourage skill stacking 3 preds, 3 masters (full stack party) who roll the lobbies of solo's, lesser skilled players & disorganised players will help. Maybe increase entry costs for full stack party (dia and above), and reduce entry cost for solo/duo queues will improve player activity exponentially. Why should a solo Q plat/dia player pay the same entry cost as a full stack squad of the same rank, the risk-reward isn't balanced

[@lukasdontknow7194]

Do you seriously think that matchmaking and ranked system killed this game? The game has been in this state for years, and it has become mainstream in this state. Here are the things that got worse. Lack of progress, predatory monetization and gambling events, lack of actual content. They even started removing content from the game. The main menu is really confusing right now for new players. Battlepass is divided into splits and forces you to grind non-stop and is even more expensive. And on top of that, the entire titanfall atmosphere from the game is completely gone, the main thing people loved so much... the titanfall world. The game just lost its soul.

[@HakiZoro-]

I never thought i say this but i been off the game for 4 months now and i dont even look back.

[@milanodeschnitzel7495]

I stopped playing for 3 seasons. I have 4k career kills and my peak rank was plat 1. The first game was pretty fun but the second game i got killed by a three stack pred in pubs. And my third game i got killed by someone with 110k kills on one legend. After that i deleted the game

[@willisbronze9984]

Gen is right tho, they dont have the luxury like league to make tripple queue and solo queue, the point is to get everyone in the game as fast as possible, making 2 seperate queue will make you wait like 30 mins for a game in some reagion

[@benjaminfranklinstyl]

They should make something like a social hub in game. Make a small profile to match with like minded gamers so its easier for everyone to not solo queue. I mean they tipped there toes with clans but they have to go much further. Could even increase the fun much more if you can even find new friends to play with. They could try some ideas like actually swiping for your mates and you can decide how much information you want to share and find similar people...

[@elimgarak1127]

Respawn is incapable. It has to be simple numeric systems.

[@Charlie-j6t8v]

Last few days I've been in a really really easy lobbies I don't know if they're trying to fix the matchmaking or what but I've got people actually asking what the different colored guns mean 😂

[@ねこめし-k2z]

I think it is simply because there are fewer cheaters and bots. They were multiply activating, cultivating and mass producing low level accounts to pad their apparent player count.

[@lThePotatoCrew]

I also think as you climb higher in the ladder you shouldn't be able to queue with other players. Because solo queing in higher ranks is trash, especially when you come across a triple stack.

[@aaronmay3188]

Shooting mofos when they’re dropping out the ship is just ridiculous Mande…

[@aaronchong2194]

Just seperate soloQ rank and Trio rank, PUBG did this so many years ago and Apex still don't have this feature. So far behind yet people still play it

[@WeeCraig]

What about allowing people to play a 'pubs' match on a waiting server, while awaiting your actual ranked match queue. Silvers play silvers etc etc. Doing kinda what Mande said with the forcing people into they own levels but also, if someone was previously higher allowing them into higher skill capped lobbies in plat/gold also? Solo queue is terrible, I'm always the highest player of my trio and then, after about 20 loses I get matched with better players who rage me for being lower than them?!

[@nohoemode155]

or the good players with badges just die instantly aswell because they're having the same miserable session as you 😂 I stopped cheering for getting good players in my team because I just know they're already pissed too and probably stopped focusing.

[@walterzolkin]

Mande you 100% correct. It's NOT about points. We want have fun. Fighting 3 stacks is not fun. Gen doesn't understand normal players.

[@Jeoplaxton]

SBMM is the problem since the start. I only play TDM in Apex now because of it. And I rarely play that anymore.

[@ichuisaac123]

I don't get why we can't just have squad ranked and solo ranked. Same rank structure and entry cost, doesn't matter. Slightly different rank badges to differentiate. If you want to play solo, play solo ranked, if you want to squad up, play squad ranked. If you're a pervert who wants to be 1v3, play squad ranked but with no fill. The meta would be so different in each system that it'd be basically a different game.

[@MatthewMessmer-me5ji]

@@ichuisaac123 there aren't enough players to fill both lobbies

[@sorryshiina6264]

The reason why I play a lot less is because there's fuck all for me to grind for after I finish the battlepass each season (or now each split). Ranked is a piss take, I get pred 3-stacks *every* lobby by the time I get past gold. Last season, my 2nd game of plat 4 I got wiped by the number 7 pred and decided that was it for ranked. Mixtape is fun but it never gets any fucking updates. I also hate Gun Run with a burning passion so I end up sitting with my thumb up my ass for 10 or so minutes waiting for the mode to switch over. The majority of new content updates are egregious collection "events" with no new gamemodes or free cosmetics so even though the game is getting updates reasonably often, it doesn't feel like there's anything new being added because it's all shit I'll never be experiencing. The game just feels so dry right now. None of the gamemodes hit the same way and it's kinda clear that's not gonna change.

[@lolala3656]

I have an idea regarding genburten said he want the whole lobby is pro in rank. I suggest EA create a new server for only for diamond 2 and above to play. Then it will cut down the queuing time and balance the match making in game. It will be like player have to grind for special entrance and will truly decide your skill level. And one more thing is it will easy to identify hacker and ban them.

[@kylelawrence1333]

i quit when they removed lurch for roller. dead game. love you mande, would love to see you play other games.

[@aprilaono]

Gen is right though, solo queueing should be given more advantage in terms of entry cost and overall kill/win RP bonuses vs a party. Stacks - especially 3-stack high ranked players should be punished; on deaths, on entry and even matchmaking queue times, it should be clear that these pred stacks and high ELO stacks should be queued against each other REGARDLESS of queue times. Your pred stacks with other pros and streamers is a great example of how un-enjoyable it is for regular players to run into.

[@elimgarak1127]

It should also prioritize skill level the same way overwatch does. The larger your queue was, the larger the individual skill gap of the solo players. Specifically, above the stacks. Once Diamond is hit, just cancel 3 stacks. Single or duo queue only. Below that, place every 3 stack against solos an entire rank above them.

[@clockwork6973]

Every game soloq is hell, Try cs ranked or faceit, with 4 ramdon teammates against Full stack. They say if u good enough u have t carry, but at high lvl is impossible

[@JaToPawel]

From my perspective, usually diamond and once master (you know which season:D) its impossible to solo Q in ranked. Starting plat lobby, people are afraid of fighting and avoiding them at all cost. And when you finally get in to a fight they have no f clue what to do and usually everyone dies cause u go against 3 stack preds. The creator of the game Respawn instilled in players the idea that to earn points, you need to avoid all confrontations until you reach the top by being a total rat, and after that, it doesn’t matter much-you just get +10/20 points. So you have in team diamond player who doesnt know basics. You spent 10-15 min looting to die in first fight. At some point i just gave up.

[@wajaja_cat]

I got Gold 4 and was so happy and I queued the next match and the champion was a 3 stack predator, Rank #8 Rank #79 and Rank #192. Like I might as well just make different accounts to just enjoy the game or derank on purpose

[@AlphaOmega-c6n]

All my freinds say apex is too hard all of em that don’t play it and play cod

[@possession3929]

The cheating on cod/bo6 is an epidemic, way worse than apex atm

[@sainsrikar]

Bro the ranked worked the way mande was saying 2 years ago. It was highest player on a team vs other team w9th the one guy with highest rank. People cried. Am i dumb or did i miss something? I used to play 2 years ago and i came back now and listening this made me LOL. People really are forgetful.

[@Prosthetics555]

haha, or just make my team mates do a captcha test before pressing play and make everyone Pred at the start of the season

[@KimOhvo]

It should be 2 queue's in ranked, one for only solo queueing and for 3 stack

[@mankekyosharigan]

Mande can pop off and get dubs easy but he has to mess around and half ass try to have fun. Seeing his gameplay is what makes me want to play more but I'll be entertained for like an hour before I'm just bored of it again. Bo6 has my attention with it having more incentives to grind. Idk rip apex legends unless they fix this.

[@Humblepie1234]

No point talking about it when the devs are never going to do anything about it. The devs and ea are driving the game into the ground.

[@BuckBudToo]

ONLY REASON THIS GAME COULD DIE IS CAUSE THE SERVERS ARE DISGUSTING. second: CLICK BAIT GARBAGE TITLeS like this get views more than the rest third: COD IS apex's biggest competition and its doing well right at this moment (in a year cods going to be stale and people will be back on apex) fourth: NORMAL STANDARD REVIVALS FOR PUBLIC MATCHES BI-WEEKLY fifth: appeal to the CASUAL PLAYER! let casuals have a say in what happens in the game not just pro players. six: TTK could be faster IE. redshield being 200hp or even 175hp i think that would make the game less sweaty overall

[@dopplr.1204]

The easiest thing to do is just make it solo queue locked from masters

[@WXSTANG]

Let it die... the matchmaking absoliutly sucks forever and has only got worse.

[@lenk1432]

controllers killed apex, now everybody has aimbot and they dont even try

[@mestreatfield7842]

lmaoo

[@NickLauck]

wrong

[@lenk1432]

controller crutches above me

[@Blasiusthethird]

I think they should do matchmaking on the KDR

[@CielMC]

1:20 You know what else would fix things that should collide not colliding? A server faster than 20TPS… Minecraft runs at 20TPS

[@r99-f4l]

The sub alert in the beginning made me think that their was about to be a crazy edit 😂

[@eddielewis6802]

imagine getting destroyed by a 3man while there all talking abt fixing the game at the same time.

[@TheOnlyVipey]

Skill curve too high, new players don't want to learn. Ranked is broken, most Plat / Diamond players belong in Silver but nobody wants to have that conversation. Servers are dogshit. All these things come together to create a niche playerbase that's too small to populate fair ranked games.

[@FizziWhizzi]

I recently came back after a year break and am loving all the changes game is fun again IMO

[@BrianSynyster7]

rank is just unplayable bcos nobody talks. simple as that. we are not mind readers here, 1 guy pushes and blame others when he died, or 2 guys push and 1 guy was not even aware. they blame it on the person’s game sense when there was no call. Also there is no standard on rank. they just play it like normal game thinking they aceu