Why are Business Jets Perfect to Fly into Hurricanes?

[@NotWhatYouThink]

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[@cbsGD]

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[@macbomb]

The 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron flies its WC-130s into the storm as part of the 403rd Wing.

[@quillmaurer6563]

Must say, the "For yourself, a loved one, or someone a loved one shouldn't know about" was brilliant!

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Thank you 👍

[@quillmaurer6563]

My mom was a pilot for the 54th WRS flying C-130s into hurricanes from Guam for a few years. She said it actually wasn't all that dangerous in her mind, and no losses since the '70s supports that. She said her most frightening job in the Air Force was being a T-37 instructor pilot, flying with newbie pilots on board, or worse flying formation with them.

[@sammylegaspi2214]

Your moms a badass fr

[@larry-333]

She sure had "fun"

[@Argosh]

​@@larry-333with the Hurricane I'd say yeah. Flying with noobs is no fun however.

[@KKSRetardo]

Named typhoons in the Pacific past the anti-meridian. Hurricanes east of it. And just tropical cyclones in the Indian Ocean

[@quillmaurer6563]

@Logitech-de3pc Definitely not true - I'd know given my mom's stories. Maybe you're thinking combat pilots, women weren't allowed to fly in combat when she was in the Air Force. Non-combat pilot roles began opening to women in the '70s, my mom was in if I remember right the second class of women (can't remember if all-female or just to include women) to go through pilot training.

[@jaymacpherson8167]

In 1981, a friend and I went to Miami, staying with his former roommate. The roommate worked for NOAA on the hurricane flights. Like me, he gets severe motion sickness. Yet he flew into Hurricanes because he loves the work. I asked if he throws up, and he said yes, on most flights. Dedication.

[@melangellatc1718]

They used to base out of Opa Locka in the 90's when I was an air traffic controller there. They mainly used P-3's and C-130's back then.

[@jaymacpherson8167]

@@melangellatc1718 Yes, he flew in a P-3.

[@miragelee9754]

@@jaymacpherson8167he definitely got balls for riding that plane even if he got motion sickness. Props to him.

[@Rotorhead1651]

Back in the 80s, I was in the USAF, assigned to Hurlburt Field AFB in Ft. Walton Beach, in the panhandle of Florida. When Hurricane Elena came into the GOM through the Florida Straights, the base Commander gave the order to evacuate all aircraft that could fly. When the storm veered off towards Texas, he recalled the aircraft. When the storm suddenly turned due east, he ordered the aircraft evacuated again, but when it passed by, he had them recalled. Then the storm began to make landfall along the west coast of the peninsula and we figured that was the end of it. We were wrong. Elena inexplicably did an about face and, once again, the aircraft were evacuated. As it passed close by us (for the, now, 2nd time) it destroyed the last 50 yards of a steel-reinforced concrete fishing pier. The storm made landfall near Pensacola, at the western most part of the state, and our base (approximately 35 miles east) caught 75 mph winds, which buckled the base tennis court fence and (according to the base Commander) drove an 18" long white pine needle through a telephone pole. Up to date and hyper accurate weather data is ESSENTIAL for all aspects of life during hurricane season. Far fewer lives are lost when people know what to expect.

[@Unb3arablePain]

After the second scare he should have just kept them evacuated.

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

"hurlburt" sounds like a mocking nickname for a herbert who embarrassed himself once by vomiting.

[@patmahomesisthegoat1622]

I like Hurlburt Field. I’m actually living at the famcamp on Eglin! A few weeks ago when Idalia formed and we didn’t know exactly where it would go, we thought they might evacuate the 15s and 16s from the 96th, the 35s from the 33rd, and the 130s belonging lord knows what squadron. They never gave any evacuation orders for personnel or aircraft, and tbh I honestly didn’t really see a reason why they actually would. I guess I just went off what my family said but yeah, and thank you for your service!

[@suspiciousstew1169]

im going to use "did an about face" instead of "did a 180" now lmao

[@counterfit5]

​@@Ass_of_Amalekyou know what, that's brilliant

[@Justpeebs]

the next airframe thats gonna be used by noaa is a gulfstream g700 its currently being built. I buiilt the weather radome for the nose of the aircraft

[@adamchuahzongye395]

Weather Reconnaissance started because some one dared someone to do something dangerous is the most American thing ever

[@b43xoit]

Esp when egged on by Brits.

[@mattscarf]

@@b43xoitYou’re welcome 🇬🇧 🍳 🇺🇸

[@douggale5962]

Lack of engine performance has nothing to do with the service ceiling of jets. The reason they have a max altitude is because the mach speed approaches supersonic at lower and lower indicated airspeeds, until the point where the indicated airspeed is too low to be safe, even right at the maximum mach number. At 43000 feet, mach 0.8 is about 215 kts IAS.

[@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat]

Thank you for your comment. I don't understand. Would you explain your comment a bit more, please? Does lower altitude with higher density allow planes to get a lower IAS, or do I have that backwards. I thought the indicated air speed comes from the Peto (I don't know how to spell, I'm sorry) tubes and at higher altitudes there are less air molecules to pass by the sensor. I think there are the tubes and a sensor that is farther back that doesn't get air directly? I am teaching myself by reading flight manuals and other books and watching many airplane channels. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions, and thank you for your kind reply.

[@douggale5962]

@@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat No problem. As you go higher, the speed of sound decreases. The "mach speed" means what proportion of the speed of sound you are going. So, if you maintain the same "true" forward speed through space and climb, your mach speed will be a greater and greater proportion of the speed of sound (mach 1 = speed of sound). The wing stresses at high speed scale with the mach number. Therefore, as you climb, you need to reduce your true speed to keep the wing from going over its mach limit. Also, as you go higher, the air is thinner, so it is as if you are flying slower, on top of you actually slowing down at the higher altitude. The "indicated airspeed" defines how much control your control surfaces will have, and your stall speed will be based on it. Because the air is so thin, it is "as if" you are flying slower, which is why we call it "indicated" airspeed. This can't go too low, or you will stall. Therefore, the mach limit approaches the stall speed as you climb.

[@douggale5962]

@@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat I should have mentioned, the concept I described is known as "Coffin Corner", if you want to look at it in more detail on Wikipedia or something. For aviation stuff, I mostly watch Mentour Pilot and Green Dot Aviation.

[@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat]

@@douggale5962 Oh yea... I have heard of that before. It was great chatting with you. Have a great night.

[@apathyzen9730]

​@@kg-Whatthehelliseventhatsituation of near-overspeed and near-stall at high altitudes is also known as "coffin corner".

[@jman6970]

*That one unemployed friend on a Tuesday:* “Dude let’s fly a jet into a hurricane!”

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

"duuuuuuuuuude!"

[@inrevenant]

One of your best videos yet :) Well-narrated (as always!), well-structured (pacing, segues), rich with interesting content all the way through, and stunning visuals (as usual :) !

[@Fynnley525]

just had Miss Piggy on my ramp for a few days for Hurricane Lee, pretty cool to see that aircraft in person, even has decals for all the hurricanes that they flew into

[@sgt_derpguy_2541]

A way for me to get a good sleep, listening to some technological facts and this guy's voice

[@Wolfy848]

Same bro Same(:

[@Wolfy848]

@donotreadmyprofilepic176 okay(:

[@himynameisgus]

Haha I love the comment on WC-130's at the end, probably accurate too along with B-52's.

[@mikefabbi5127]

That Chuck joke was awesome!!! When a new Chuck Norris joke is born all other jokes become less funny. Why did Chuck Norris destroy the periodic table? Because he only believes in the element of surprise.

[@CarryPotter007]

miss piggy and Kermit goes so hard for weather reconnaissance aircrafts lol

[@shantanusapru]

Your videos are always amazingly detailed & informative, and awesomely fun!!!

[@justandy333]

I had obsoletely no idea they did this. Talk about unsung heroes! Thankyou for bringing this to our attention.

[@mucmane]

8:26 The two Australia stickers are spinning backwards lol

[@philip9186]

I think Hurricanes spin in the other direction in the southern hemisphere, so the stickers are actually pretty accurate. Would be great if someone with more knowledge on the subject could confirm :)

[@petercrew761]

@@philip9186- 100% correct

[@ashleydavis3342]

Nice to see a well produced, informative, and accurate documentary. Thanks

[@Mike_T12]

Wtf! My dad is in the video on the left in 13:16 ! We could not believe it! Great video! 🤣👌🏻

[@dinsdalemontypiranha4349]

That was awesome! Thanks!

[@thespalek1]

The Chuck clip is hilarious :-D

[@gene0barth]

Loaded with compelling facts! Thank you.

[@sweenie7632]

When I watch a "Not What You Think" video but in the end it was just as I thought: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined"

[@firstcynic92]

4:57. I think you meant "...fly into up to 3 storms in 1 mission." as it's impossible to fly into 3 storms at the same time. 9:39. FYI, there have been 2 western Pacific tropical cyclones named Chuck, 1992 & 1995.

[@AuxenceF]

You just need 3 planes no?

[@veironhedlund8061]

I live in sweden and the idea that you would have to evacuate is completely alien to me. I understand the basic idea but we really have basically no major natural disasters.

[@CharlieTheAstronaut]

Hobby aviator here, damn these guys are insane! There are not many things I would be uncomfortable with, until this video it would have been flying a supper scooper (firefighting planes), but this is at another level haha.

[@RaulCruz-wi1fg]

Much respect for pilots and crew man I can barely get into a commercial flight

[@r.guerreiro140]

Amazing video Thanks for bringing something I never found elsewhere before

[@HuntersDad.]

You got me with the Chuck Norris joke! 😂

[@geetaali5758]

This is so scary .yet needs alot of brave and tough people awesome work

[@Ishmam...28]

Man ! Seriously ! A C-130 does literally everything !!! Who knows one day it will start shooting Air to air missiles and become a fighter aircraft too

[@snegik]

Maybe centuries later it would join the B-52 space bomber to drop space paratroopers

[@Franky10207]

My favorite KZbin channel

[@ironmann16]

9:39 is it bad that I'm actually kinda proud to be named chuck now? 🤣

[@fearthehoneybadger]

Well, maybe it has business in the hurricane.

[@lidarman2]

I've flown on Kermit several times. NOAA is replacing the p-3s with c-130s.

[@k-dog7013]

Imagine Colonel Duckworth back in 1943 returning completely exhausted from flying his plane through a hurricane for the first time EVER and being told to fuel up and do it again to get some weather data.

[@TK-221]

Now these guys have balls of steel

[@MrBudPuphin]

My grandpa used to fly B52s into hurricanes for the USAF.

[@timbrwolf1121]

If there isn't a NOAA plane named Daring Duck then someone needs to be fired.

[@Xeonerable]

I actually got to tour through the turboprop version of this, the P3 Orion, when I was a kid and it was super cool.

[@Linusgump]

No word on the WRB-57? I don’t think it could structurally survive a hurricane, but I could fly higher than the stock B-57 Canberra due to much larger engines and wings being fitted for its specific weather/recon missions.

[@gavrielmarcus831]

Love your videos!!! Could you please make a video about the new Israeli submarine?

[@tau93]

this video was so informative, educational, and interesting!

[@xomm]

That's kinda wild (but makes sense) that they have to dedicate the flight engineer to man the throttle. A computer could probably handle that these days but probably not worth the development cost I guess?

[@devinstevens5585]

They already have flight computers, most commercial airplanes land with computers

[@jasonmyneni8605]

@@devinstevens5585yea, but this would have to be a wildly more sophisticated flight computer than it’s currently used on a commercial airliner.

[@b43xoit]

@@jasonmyneni8605 I want to write the code.

[@Micg51]

Autothrottles can’t react as fast as a human. In wind gusts, usually we disengage A/T and fly it manually. On an airliner that is.

[@mattscarf]

On older planes that require a flight engineer like the Lockheed Electra from which this is derived, normal operations involve the FE setting engine power levels during various phases of flight. In this case, I’m guessing the FE is particularly busy and a big help in reducing the workload of the pilot flying. On newer planes that don’t have a FE, the newer technology may make it easier for the pilot flying to set the engine power themself, even in these conditions (although as someone said, they’d probably still do this manually rather than with autothrottle). I’m assuming that’s why this wasn’t discussed for the C-130s

[@arekkasu1432]

I live near Bryan Air Force base some pretty cool history, I’m watching NOAA Gulfstream IV right now gather Data right off of Florida before Hurricane Milton hits.

[@planeboi118]

Omg I been to lakeland linder intl and they have a base there with p-8s and the Gulfstream for hurricanes!

[@HuffinStufff]

The ad was A+++

[@Snowy123]

You know how when you get a little turbulence on any commercial flight and begin preparing your will? Well I don't wanna imagine what they're feeling.

[@AeroMan57]

I wondered about this thanks for telling me

[@arfam2680]

That ad be wild lol he said whether it be for someone you love or someone you love that someone should know about LMFAO

[@samsonsoturian6013]

16:57 Miss Piggy has a Kermit toy hanging from the neck in her cockpit. You will not unsee that

[@catsupchutney]

How close are we to developing drones that can probe hurricanes?

[@emmanuelmartinez5588]

The fact hurricane hunters was basically formed because of a bet is actually pretty bad ass 😂😂 I always loved the show Hurricane Hunters I wish they would bring it back it would be cool to see them fly into these stronger storms we’re now starting to experience

[@LokiDWolf]

This was so great to learn! I mean I never have it any thought. I thought it was just satellites and Doplers. Thanks for this and thank you to all those that risks their lives to keep people safe during a hurricane!

[@Berkutal]

Thanks Noah

[@blackhawks81H]

The C-130 is such an amazing plane. You think of rapid iteration WW2 fighters like the P-51 and P-47 for hitting D models.. But the C-130 is currently on J.. 😂 They'll probably just run out of letters eventually.

[@jameson1239]

Technically the P-47 hit N

[@that-plane-guy]

Great video!

[@ElRodriPR]

average Florida man be like: 1:20 5:14 Hey i live there! Is that the Phillipe Storm?

[@simeonkohler9333]

Anyone gonna note how beautiful the eye of the hurricane is, i was just in awe whenever he showed a clop of the plane beong in it

[@mikedrop4421]

As a Florida native we know all about the 'Cane planes. Growing up we'd get our free hurricane trackers from the grocery store and watch the weather channel or listen to the radio when the power was out to get the latest location, pressure, travel and wind speed.

[@jayocay8500]

Very interesting. I once saw a documentary where NOAA uses an old prop plane for reasons of its strength and immediate response (from its props)- unlike a modern jet.

[@Oh_Its_Joski]

Digging the ad description on who it would be good for. 😂😂😂

[@Playerk125]

officer to pilot: YOU DIT WAHT?! .... can you do it again?

[@newlunarrepublic8469]

We're glad to have that 53rd based here in Biloxi

[@LiamStojanovic]

I've been silently watching your videos this year, and thoroughly enjoy them all. It's not what you think!! :D

[@annehersey9895]

That really takes a skilled crew! I would think by now it would all be done by drone craft so as not to risk any lives.

[@Sacto1654]

I wouldn't be surprised that NOAA ends up replacing the WP-3D planes with two WC-130J's by 2030.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

Is it save to fly into a hurricane? God no. Then again hurricane hunters don’t pick that job because its safe.

[@ruskiwaffle1991]

Would've been worth mentioning the WB-57. Jet powered, but has enough endurance for weather missions.

[@luckystranger4312]

Why it doesn't surprise me to know that the first intentional straight flight into a hurricane was a dare?? I love being a pilot!!

[@ryanpowell5366]

It’s def not what you think because they primarily use a c-130

[@Kiyoone]

That sounds fun. Fly into some storms and strong winds

[@sillykanji]

His channel has grown into such an amazing informative channel.

[@davidvavra9113]

Thanks

[@VedantinKK]

Dang it, it is never what I think!

[@P.Bateman27]

Someone a loved one shouldn’t know about, 😂 spoken like a true g.

[@THE7EPIC7PUPPY]

Why don’t they use pid control instead of making the flight engineer constantly adjust the speed?

[@b43xoit]

Does "pid" stand for "process identifier"?

[@THE7EPIC7PUPPY]

@@b43xoit proportional integral derivative

[@Starvaze]

Is this how they track hurricanes? Damn that in itself must be tough

[@Argosh]

The reason business jets have their high altitude capabilities is precisely that it's more comfortable and less congested... At FL500 you will get your direct clearance. No questions asked...

[@trumanhw]

he got plenty wrong as it pertains to the reasoning and ability for altitudes. It's unfortunate he didn't just consult with an SME on the subject (given all the other research).

[@masterimbecile]

Random jewelry ad read in the middle of a video about hurricane. it’s NoT what YOu tHinK!!!

[@SudagoniAnwar]

Now these guys have balls of steel!!!!!!!!

[@AliceBowie]

Do you get paid more to fly into a hurricane, as a pilot? Crew? Or is it just part of the job.

[@MrHiboost95]

Great video! The information back in Texas 1943 when the Air Force evacuated their AT-6 Texan's before the hurricane hit. The first few video clips were incorrect. Those were BT-13s which has fixed main landing gear. Now a few clips later while they are flying. You notice the main landing gear are retracted in the up position.

[@uku4171]

Imagine what a nerd that weather guy was. "Wait, you can fly into a hurricane? Come on, let's go! I GOTTA TAKE THE TEMPERATURE."

[@alexaa928]

0:14: 🌪 A Gulfstream-IV business jet owned by NOAA is used to fly into hurricanes to gather important data that satellites cannot provide. 4:45: 🌪 The Hurricane Hunters fly into hurricanes to gather data for accurate predictions. 7:54: 🌀 The mission of hurricane hunter aircraft is to find and measure the center of the storm, while business jets collect data on how the surrounding weather affects the hurricane track. 11:25: 🌪 Flying a business jet into a hurricane requires precise control of airspeed to avoid stalling or excessive turbulence. 14:57: 🌪 Turboprops are used to fly into hurricanes due to their smaller ingestion intake and quicker power throttling ability. Recap by Tammy AI

[@b43xoit]

I want to write the software to control engine throttling and prop pitch for constant airspeed, and give the flt egr a rest.

[@mattscarf]

I think the TBM960 has that capability

[@karenfay4545]

There doesn’t seem to ever been or ever will be a hurricane Mark

[@Sk.2500]

Was surprised to see the Portuguese flag on the plane. Such a small country. Do yknow what it has to do with the program?

Well, some would say the US Government likes to fly planes into things...

[@whysosyria1]

Brooooo 😂

[@JnManuelAG]

I learn a lot in just 18 min. People always muck of the name of the channel but honestly he always deliver incredible knowledge with his videos. 💫👏🏽

[@cyzx8255]

But we should name at least one Hurricanes Kermit in memory of all the Kermit who sacrifice during these flight

[@iliketrainz69]

pretty crazy how he gets all that data, great job!

[@williamyoung9401]

"What's wrong with this picture? Britney Spears is downgrading from the Gulf Stream 4 to the Gulf Stream 3. The Gulf Stream 3 doesn't even have a remote control for its surround sound stereo system..." "I'm sorry! We didn't know...we didn't know!" 😭

[@TheIvalen]

What is significant about the 210 knots figure?

[@kuiper921]

As far as I know (and could be wrong on this so kind of just a shot into the wind here) it's about G loads and stalling, below 200 and there's more risk for the turbulence to cause g loads which may stall the aircraft, and at higher speeds the g loads can start to break stuff. There's a cool diagram called a Vg diagram which can help visualize this a bit better. G loads are also known as "Load factor"

[@GARBO96]

You're telling me people are risking their lives to fly into a hurricane for only a 25% boost I thought it was gonna be something like 175%

[@jamianwolfe6486]

The pilots have to have one of the coolest jobs in the world. Imagine the views they have seen.

[@vipondiu]

The very moment we start having good movies again, I want Col Duckworth epic dare turned into a movie somehow

[@thomasweis]

I worked on the G3 (The business jet as it's referred to here) a few times over the last few years. One of the pilots said they took it into the wall of a storm once and they lost both engines in the process... That was the one and only time that was done in the in the jet.

[@gregorythompson5826]

Hope the pilots managed to find the engines eventually...

[@thomasweis]

@@gregorythompson5826 They were able to relight both engines, but a dual flameout is a recipe for disaster

[@jasperfromming6633]

Has anyone tried with subs yet ? If there is a storm the conditions under the water are a lot better, and if you can navigate to the eye you gan surface safely

[@purpleiguana208]

So if a plane can fly into a hurricane, could it also fly into a tornado and collect atmospheric data on that? Of course, I imagine a tornado would be more dangerous. Hurricanes may have faster windspeeds, but they're also pretty much only throwing water around, whereas a tornado can be throwing around dust particles, rocks, tree parts, house parts, cars, etc...

[@blackhawks81H]

No. Tornadoes are far too compact. Therefore the windshear is too strong and any aircraft would structurally fail. Hurricanes are huge, windspeed changes occur over huge distances. Airplanes dont care about this, since they only notice relative airspeed. I fly a plane that has a very low stall speed. It's possible for me to go up on a windy day and actually be moving backwards relative to the ground. The plane doesn't care as long as it's moving a certain speed through the air. In a tornado you can have winds of 200 mph that switch directions over tiny distances. This would quickly cause structural failure of an aircraft. It's not so much the wind speed, but the shear that gets you. Tornadoes are literally 100 percent condensed hate-shear in a small package 😂

[@purpleiguana208]

@@blackhawks81H so interesting! Thanks so much for the information!

[@blackhawks81H]

@@purpleiguana208 You're quite welcome. In fact, while we can't fly INTO a tornado, you could get pretty close to one. In some of the US "tornado alley" states, news helicopters have been known to fly terrifyingly close to monster tornadoes. To the point where they're actually fighting the inflow just to not get "sucked in". This can be super helpful to meteorologists, but is especially good for civilians living in the path. If someone hears tornado warning, they might take action. If they can see live TV images from the news chopper of a 2 mile wide wedge tornado actually destroying stuff.. That's hard to ignore. Tornadoes are super intricate. A big wedge tornado might be doing EF-2 damage in it's overall path.. But have multiple sub vorticies, (think smaller tornadoes inside the b bigger tornado.) and those could be doing EF-5 damage. This is why you'll sometimes see, after a huge tornado wipes out an area.. One house is completely gone, while the one next door is only slightly damaged. The other side of the coin, is that hurricanes tend to spend most of their lives out over the ocean. Out of the range of weather radars. Whereas tornadoes spend pretty much their whole lives in range of the National Weather Services network of super powerful, 750,000 Watt WSR-88D dual-pol radars. These give a pretty amazing look at just about every part of the storm in basically 3d. The modernized dual pol weather radars really are amazing. This is why the hurricane forecasts tend to get a lot more accurate once they get closer to landfall, and within range of the land based radar. There's not actually much more you'd be able to tell from having an aircraft penetrate the storm. The only thing the radars can't really do, is tell what's going on at ground level. Due to being angled upwards to see into the storm, the further you get from the radar site, the higher the beam is looking. This is why eyes on the ground is still incredibly important for what's going on in the immidiately vicinity of the tornado. The radar can tell you it's there. But unless its lofting debris high enough the radar can see it.. It can't tell you if the tornado is on the ground. Hence why the NWS still offers spotter training classes to the public. Trained spotters have saved many lives over the years. Sorry for the extensive rambling. But you happened to hit right in my ballpark. Lol. As both a pilot, and a tornado chaser, I couldn't resist. 😁

[@mattscarf]

@@blackhawks81H That wasn’t extensive rambling, it was extensive information, and it was fascinating. Thanks!