Why Are South Koreans Going Extinct?

[@Adedorusss]

Hard truth and fear: Any European country of a fertility rate of 1.6 (Czechia) to 1.1 (Malta/ Spain) could reach South Korea levels within some years.

[@VermontFootballBetter]

Latin American women in Spain have fertility rate around replacement level, I imagine as their share increases, the fertility in Spain will rise a bit.

[@xxgaming_generation_2156]

@@VermontFootballBetterYou don’t think their fertility rates won’t decrease similarly? It’s happening in South America already. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia, all the most populous Latin countries have reached sub-replacement levels in the past few years.

[@VermontFootballBetter]

@ Mexican Americans have higher fertility than Mexicans in Mexico. Chilean Swedes have higher fertility than Chileans in Chile. They tend to have more kids in secure societies is what I’m saying.

[@VermontFootballBetter]

@ “converging” with ultra lowEuropean fertility rates is unlikely for Latin Americans as they will almost always have 30-50% higher fertility

[@VermontFootballBetter]

@@xxgaming_generation_2156 why am I not allowed to @ you?

[@edwardcrow6385]

More and more people are replacing children in their lives with pets. Went to a Christmas lights showing in Vegas and what would normally be a crowd of parents with their children was a crowd of pet owners and the rare kid out in the crowd

[@someguy5977]

It's only logical.

[@M43782]

This pet popularity is becoming to be really irritating for me.

[@enticingmay435]

Pets are a lot cheaper to raise than children. Can’t blame people for not having kids when they can’t afford housing, can’t afford healthcare, can’t afford education and stagnant wages. But the government and people on here seems to think that it’s due to women being “too woke” 😂 There are plenty of people who want a big family here in the West, they simply just can’t afford to.

[@PresidentFlip]

@@M43782as if pet ownership is mutually exclusive with childbearing

[@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave]

​@@M43782ive mostly only noticed it in the USA. In countries in Eastern Europe, dogs are still viewed as tools, to be used for work.

[@SayNoToDemocide1]

One thing that's overlooked is the insane schooling culture. Young people have virtually all of their childhood and teen years taken from them in day prisons (both normal school and after school studying), being constantly told what to do every minute of the day, told to shut up, how to dress, and more. While the west has its problems with the Prussian schooling philosophy that was explicitly designed as obedience training, east Asians absolutely torture their children thanks to the authoritarian-ass-kissing-is-the-greatest-virtue Confucian culture and statist test-taking to join the government bureaucracy. And then people are shocked when these young people who survive this abuse grow up and think having children is cruelty. This is unnatural and unnecessary.

[@rikuran7042]

I wonder why these people in east asian countries don't migrate away from this extreme competitive societies. I know few of them do and that they are very patriotic and they tend to isolationism but amount is still very low if I am not mistaken. If they focus on English they don't need to be at the top and can still be successful even below average as they can outclass the typical western workers. I suspect that while koreans work hard their schools teach them many things that are useless and are only taught to weed out the average from the good and the best. Like solving high numbers with their head without a calculator.

[@-haclong2366]

The schooling system cannot be blamed on Confucianism. Korea abolished Confucianism during the 1890's, compare 1900~1910's for China and 1910's~1940's for Viet-Nam, if South Korea had an issue it would've been way worse in Taiwan, Mainland China, and Viet-Nam, but it's not. Confucianism also means criticising and rebelling a bad government. In Confucianism, everyone was able to apply to get a bachelor's, there wasn't a dumb pre-exam before you could study, the idea was that everyone could study. The current educational system is purely based on the idea that uneducated = low status, Europe also has this, but here you get the Gaokao at age 11, in South Korea you'll get it as a teen.

[@thetapheonix]

It has nothing to do with that. Korea had all that in the past and they had a much higher birth rate. Same with the West. What’s changed is feminism and allowing women to dictate how society is structured when they didn’t build it it the first place. Feminism is a society killer.

[@captainvanisher988]

It's materialism that drives this. East Asia always valued "education" more than the rest of the world. In ancient China the most prestigious positions within the government could only be reached through exams. Something that has clearly been evolved into something far worse. The Prussian model is actually even more horrendous because it doesn't even produce educated pupils. It's literally useless. That and most modern school systems have been designed that way because of women's emancipation. Mothers work 8 hours a day so the government completely coincidentally created a system where they can drop off their kids for 8 hours in a special facility to take care of them. It's been proven that kids function better with 2-4 hours of lessons a day and even end up more educated than their public school peers. Which is the main reason why homeschooling is by far superior to public schools nowadays. But guess what? If you want emancipated women, you get low fertility rates and either uneducated youth or educated burned-out youth. Have your pick.

[@geoffhart]

But that system has been in place much longer than the current fertility crisis. I remember back in the 70's we discussed this in school (especially regarding male student suicide), and it had been going on long before that. You can have such a system, *if* you keep men and women in separate groups, culturally. But once you force women into the ultra-competitive world of men, then you start impacting fertility rates. And this has happened all over the world.

[@derek4412]

Alternative title: “Why the South Korean fertility crisis is actually a family crisis, according to Emmanuel Todd”

[@M-tl4xt]

Emmanuel Todd should ask for a share of the ad revenue 😂

[@etienne8110]

Todd is great for sociological studies. His theory works well in that context. But here it seems more like an economic issue rather than a societal one. Other countries are facing the same societal conflict, but are faring better due to diverging economic stances.

[@redhidinghood9337]

Just checked him out and turns out he's one of those "west bad" guys. Complains about western propaganda but eats russian propaganda for breakfast, lunch and dinner

[@oskars1419]

In the past having children was more money bcs they work on farm for free. Now having children is loosing money, country must pay more for having children and more women will want to Born children and have more children

[@etienne8110]

@redhidinghood9337 so much so that using sociologic studies and statistics he predicted the fall of the wall in 1988. Todd isn t pro or anti russia. He just collects data and offer an analysis based on his theory of famillial traditions through History.

[@julianbrabsche728]

I was kinda suprised that you waited that long to make a video about South Korea.

[@Elio-t8s]

Because he made an inclusive video about East Asia as a whole.

[@okene]

Yes, last year ​@@Elio-t8s

[@jammmy30]

I was surprised to find a video with literally ZERO new information… This is after have watched nearly all of his videos a FIRST one like that.. Very disappointing 😢

[@thomgizziz]

@@jammmy30 The problem isn't that it has zero new information it is that the information is either incorrect, has no actual bearing on the topic or he just makes it up like saying "there isn't much historical documentation of infanticide, but trust me bro it was a really really big thing."

[@erenliebert4576]

@julianbrabsche728 he's waiting until shit absolutely hits the fan

[@mjr_schneider]

The most telling thing I've noticed in street interviews of South Korean women is that most of them say they would like to have a child _but_ they want to have a career. The fact that it's perceived as basically a binary, either/or choice tells you just about everything you need to know about how broken their work culture is.

[@GigaNietzsche]

It largely is a choice. At least Korean women aren't so delusional as to believe they can have their cake and eat it too. The minority of American women that do want kids seem to want to not have anything to do with raising them and would rather focus on their career while someone else raises the kid for them. Shameful broken culture we live in.

[@tomatofeind2019]

You cannot have kids and work as a woman in Korea. It's viewed very poorly and even as shameful. A lot of grandmothers will hide the fact their daughters work and have kids. You have to choose: childlessness and live "comfortably" OR you have kids but survive off one income and barely make ends meet.

[@IFRYRCE]

I don't really think there's any difference between S.K. and the West there. This and people moving into cities are the two root causes of fertility decline in general, it is merely a difference of degree that separates S.K. from the West in this regard. Same issue, South Korea just has it worse.

[@horatiuscocles8052]

maybe they shouldn't have careers

[@seracris8357]

Isn't it kinda the same here? Maybe it's just not as bad here in the west yet?

[@jostnamane3951]

Do a video about the demographics of Syria and its various ethno-religious groups; Syrian Arabs and Arabised people, Kurds, Assyrians, Armenians, Arameans, Alawites, Druze, Turkmens, Circassians, and the remnants of Greeks of Asia minor. it will be a trendy topic for months to come because of the recent change in power structures from Arab Socialist Ba'athism to Sunni-Centric Islam.

[@Leo-bv7my]

Its to difficult

[@adamelghalmi9771]

too early

[@weetbix4497]

Tbh it may change drastically in the next few years. The internet is filled with videos of "unfortunate" things happening to religious (and some ethnic) minorities, and many of these Sunni fighters have publically called for the destruction of the "Crusaders" (Christian Syrians)

[@jostnamane3951]

​@@weetbix4497 Which is exactly why I'm demanding a video about that.

[@weetbix4497]

​​@@jostnamane3951 Yeah I got now it from your main comment, I just lost my reading comprehension when I wrote the reply for some reason

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

Other interesting places to cover would be Cuba and Puerto Rico. P.R. is the area with the lowest fertility rate in the U.S. (around 0.8) and Cuba is the by far poorest country facing population collapse within the next decade. This also relates to the general decline of fertility across Latin America.

[@luisa.acevedo3326]

Puerto Rico has it own unique challenges, an unstable economy due to political and natural disaster issues, feminism, and emigration to mainland US for economic reasons. People who stay already had children, and those who return are retirees. The island has lost about 500,000 people in the last 10 years due to those factors, the population is aging fast.

[@effexon]

this shows that "poverty" aint magic bullet to have more kids. People dont have kids when there are not enough calories to feed humans. "Poverty" where kids happen is only poverty by rich urban western standards, not from this other viewpoint.

[@thomgizziz]

He did a crap job of understanding why korea is failing and now you want him to play more make believe with other countries. Korea's birth rate is failing because one generation that grew really poor and had kids that they told the only thing that matters is money and they spoiled those kids. Those kids grew up and worried about themselves more than anything and had one kid to placate their parent's desire to have grandkids and be in the will. It is all about selfishness and materialism not about things that happened in the distance past. This dude is not bright. He thinks he can just pull together a bunch of historical facts and guess at the problem rather than actually talking to people and knowing what has been happening recently like I have.

[@Jose04537]

That's because around 15-20% population of Cuba left the country in the last 5 years, for the never ending crisis and austerity (called by the government as "special period") the country has suffered in the past years (the cash cow of the URSS and then Russia has finally dried out).

[@mayelarodriguez6319]

@@Jose04537 This. The population in Cuba has became unincredible old, and the birth drops are very low due to the legalization of the abortion. That place is a wasteland without future, obviusly the few young men escape to the US to have some chances in life.

[@makedragonagegreatagain3148]

Shout out to South Korea for being my favorite flavor of dystopia.

[@feliciaf8]

Communist and capitalism dystopiam no in between in just one peninsula damn

[@thearpox7873]

​@@feliciaf8 One is an absolute monarchy wearing communism as a peel, the other is... whatever that thing is doing the same with capitalism.

[@Jose04537]

Ummmmm, Ciberpunk distopia, my favorite!

[@AureliusLaurentius1099]

​@@thearpox7873 Basically a Merchant Republic like Venice or Florence

[@cyberninjazero5659]

​@@thearpox7873Plutocracy is the word you're looking for

[@HandsomeSquidward-q7g]

I saw a video by Mark Manson that explored why suicide and depression is so common in South Korea, and the main reasons for it are essentially the same for why the birth rate is so abysmal: SK has the worst aspects of both capitalism and Confucianism while having neither of their positive qualities. People are caught up in a vicious rat-race to compete and succeed while simultaneously feeling intensely ashamed whenever they don't achieve the desired results. They break themselves emotionally and financially and are still shamed by their peers and family. Just like it's Northern neighbour, South Korea is hell, but it's of a different flavour, one that spurs people not to have children due to financial concerns and not wanting to birth them into a society which is little more than torturous purgatory with a thin veneer of affluence over it.

[@khonjel_singh]

Another related video people should watch is "Gacha Drama and The Korean Gender War" by Moon Channel. He looks at korean culture from a gamer's perspective while also being an established lawyer lmao. TL;DR there's a gender war going on in SK atm that's muddying the water as well.

[@DarkshadowXD63]

Ayy I loved that video, it provided a lot of insight on not only the demographic problem but Korean culture. Given how Korea is not only squeezed between China and Japan. But due to historical reasons, Korea kind of adopted and created a radical mixture of both Japanese and Chinese Confucius philosophy

[@nicbahtin4774]

"Everyone's looking for the thrill, but what's real is family." - Dom

[@moloids]

Who cares for real?

[@Novgorod_Republic]

From 23:08 to 23:58 is what will only become more common in the world. There will simply not be enough of young people to take care of all the childless elderly even if there will be any support for them from the government...

[@sullathehutt7720]

Oh no the old people who wrecked our economies and tore down our religions are gonna lose their ponzi scheme 😢 oh no lol

[@JasbirSingh-zj1fg]

Robotics is advancing quite fast. I'm confident the elderly will be well taken care of.

[@sw3783]

@@JasbirSingh-zj1fg No, honey. They are going to push "right to die" legislation. It starts with consent, the promotion, and ends with mandates.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

That's why they're passing laws for euthanasia everywhere, it starts as a pseudo compassionate measure to reduce pain, but it is expended to more and more situations , in the end they will strongly pressure elderly people to end it at 70. This is the nice futur they plan for us. The people who might escape that fate will be the ones who had children.

[@PhiGuy1717]

@@JasbirSingh-zj1fg I'm not too hopeful with robotics, I think the government would rather follow Canada's example of pushing MAID on the eldery who can't afford to care for themselves.

[@Ifraneljadida]

It’s hard not to see that “western civilization” aka “modernity” has culturally taken over the world (outside Muslim and African and some tribes). I forget who said it, but a middle eastern leader said essentially “to modernize is to westernize” and it’s hard to see how that’s not true. Sure, they keep some small local cultural uniqueness, but the key aspects are the same. And that culture results in low birth rates currently and can be exaggerated depending on the local cultural characteristics

[@Sudulicious]

Industrial revolutions changed everything and they act as a wave challenging the rest of the world to adapt or die. This is not about westernization of values, rather it's about liberation of old mental patterns globally

[@tann_man]

Arguably to "modernize" is to "Judaize"

[@ten_tego_teges]

Modernity is hardly "western". Its corporate, everything is a soulless product manufactured for cheap thrills. Like Christmas: it's been bastardized to the point where Coca-Cola take more if the limelight than Jesus.

[@johnelway9879]

Majority of the Middle East countries have either a TFR of 2 or below….

[@DJMacX]

​@@johnelway9879 would like to see the tfr per ethnic group in places like the gulf States. From my observations local Arabs have 3-5 children. But its highly incentiviced by the States.

[@MonsieurDean]

What being an American colony does to a civilization. Heck look at Puerto Rico, their birth rate is basically on par with South Koreas.

[@arielwertlen6709]

Did you just state that South Korea is an American colony? Do you mind providing justification for such an extraordinary claim?

[@SA2004YG]

​@arielwertlen6709 probably not in the old sense of the word but if US is setting a new cultural norm than you better follow it.. That's just one example

[@AnthonySmith-x5z]

@@arielwertlen6709yup i bet in military and political sense they can't do shit if USA does not approve of it.

[@XiDaddyBless]

It's not a controversial statement at all. Economically, militarily, even culturally, SK is almost completely reliant on the US, mostly stemming from it's history as a US puppet state in the Korean war, without the support of which, it would not exist and be part of North Korea today. This continues to this day, and is reflected in every aspect of their domestic and foreign policy. Quick google would show you all of this, it's well documented.

[@xanthippus9079]

If one follows this channel and looks at worldwide statistics, claiming dependence from the US as the main cause for a fertility crisis is asinine. Unless you wish to explain how China (even lower fertility than Japan but with a sharper decline) and Russia (below many Western European nations) are American colonies. Then you are not stupid, you are legally insane. By the way, one Korea followed the US. The other is... different. Which civilisation would you rather live in? Personally, I'd rather live in a 1st world nation with low fertility than in NK, but you do you.

[@JamesR-f9l]

When the average person can not comprehend the significance of fertility rates for the continuation of society that society deserves what happens next. America has always been the exception but one can only be the exception for so long.

[@iansun42]

What I think most people miss that all countries have really high populations still. After a a couple of decades there will still be plenty of people to repopulate. The US had 3 million people in 1776 we now have 330 million. We can handle a century of low birth rates. The real concern is the RATIO of the generations. We need to have a slow steady birth rate. Too many kids at once and you get the 1960s and 70s

[@JamesR-f9l]

@ The danger of subfertility is it is compounding. For example a population of 10,000 with a fertility rate of 1 becomes 5000, 2500, 1250, and then 625 in just a few generations. If there is a black swan event one can see how this can get into apocalyptic territory. I am being generous as it is easy to see a population growth less than one such as 0.5% where one out of every 2 person has a child. One thing to keep in mind with one child per couple or less the gene pool will get less diverse as half on the genetic diversity is chopped off each generation. High populations doesn't matter when it comes to the population being reduced by a factor of 2. America with a population of 330 million population would be below 100 million in just a few generations in a fertility rate of 1 or less scenario excluding immigration. This is largely cultural driven. Which is why I question whether a culture which becomes an antithesis to its own procreation deserves continued existence indefinitely. Such cultures need to change and not be the norm.

[@mergenmongush5492]

Я не думаю, что проблема рождаемости является существенной. Человеческие общества саморегулируемы. Потеря половины валового национального дохода в связи с уменьшением численности населения, это проблема элит, а не общества, поскольку в капиталистической стране с уменьшением численности населения также пропорционально уменьшаются расходы на его поддержание (еда, жилье, одежда и т.д.). Я действительно думаю, что снижение численности трудоспособного населения в дальнейшем времени в Корее - это не забота граждан. Элиты как правило не саморегулируемые, они имеют большую среднюю ожидаемую продолжительность жизни и вследствие этого будут терять доходы. Они потеряют очень много денег, поскольку денежная масса в стране уменьшится следуя за уменьшением денежного оборота.

[@jgw9990]

​​@@iansun42This is delusional and doesn’t consider how it'll play out. An elderly population will inevitably put greater pressure on the young to support it. This will crater the living standards of the young. This will lead to extremism in the young. This extremism will lead to panicked totalitarianism by the elderly leadership. This clash will lead to bloodshed. This is an inevitable chain of events, and it will kill hundreds of millions of people.

[@guts2787]

​@@mergenmongush5492 Элиты заменят корейцев китайцами, уже заменяют.

[@Papillon234]

Why have kids when being a kid is miserable in Korea, is what I’ve heard Koreans say, in news and on Asian Boss etc

[@someguy5977]

Why bring in more children? So they can suffer?

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

Then it's time for a change.

[@DelectableDays]

Double the workforce, wages get cut in half, now both parents have to work to maintain the same standard of living that could have been achieved on a single income in the past. Because both parents work, the wife is more reluctant to have more children. If the wife stayed home, she’d be more willing to have kids.

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

Still pushing that excuse despite the instance of record-breaking profits and all-time high C-suite salaries? Cute.

[@blugaledoh2669]

You are wrong

[@Jose04537]

Women are not going back to that. That myth of the 50s family was not real. A lot of women had to endure a lot abusive because they were economy dependant on their husbands.

[@iansun42]

@@blugaledoh2669 Great argumnet!

[@4spooky8u]

That’s not really how that works. If the workforce doubles, and productivity doubles, then there is no reduction in salaries, yet the whole society is better off. The issues isn’t salaries being low but government created inflation stealing the purchasing power of your money.

[@Bvggerffpls]

Yesterday, I watched a documentary on the Sewol ferry disaster (the one which resulted in the tragic and avoidable deaths of 200+ children) and left a comment remarking on how dysfunctional South Korean society is. I will not rehash what I said there, but I can't help but notice the dark irony in the callous, face-saving attitude of the "Blue House" towards its children back in 2014, and the predicament it now faces.

[@jardelcestari7030]

Did not mention Emmanuel Todd. Disliked and unsubscribed 😂

[@Travelbythought]

I think the internet has a huge effect on birth declines worldwide. I think people chose the drama of marriage over the boredom of being single. Now, it is easy to not be bored and have increased peace by remaining single.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

Increased peace? I'm single but I don't think is better..... Ironically I want children and I have the money to support them but no wife. 😂😂😂

[@M43782]

@@MarketsDriveTheWorld Same, I'm 34 years old, and I have no idea how to find a spouse.

[@stevensamuels4041]

​@@MarketsDriveTheWorldme 2 im not good with flirtinh and 33 now

[@dfgyuhdd]

There is a very strong correlation worldwide between birthrate and the establishment of the electrical grid. It's not like electricity causes birth suppression (probably) but it signifies the shift from agrarian to industrial to post-industrial.

[@ZoneofA]

That men's reason for rejecting marge, women mostly love drama and such logic would make them want to get marred even more. I would say main reason for females rejecting marge is hypergamy and hybristophilia that make women reject most men because most men can not, or will not, satisfy those two female imperatives.

[@GabrielSouza-ol1qg]

Other issue to south korea is that they have an entire country dedicated to erase then from the map(North Korea) and most of the population live close to the DMZ, so if their war ignited again(never truly ended actually) they could see a decline even worse than that of ukraine

[@dfgyuhdd]

If that happened whatever amount of the population remained would probably just be absorbed into the political identity of NK. They might actually improve TFR but at great political cost.

[@Novgorod_Republic]

I don't know about that. Maybe the North Korean military men will actually fix the SK demographic crisis when they invade, if you know what I mean...

[@lincolo-san2356]

The irony is that north Korea is also in a Soo bad state that when they invade will be a war about hundred people VS hundred people.

[@GabrielSouza-ol1qg]

@@dfgyuhdd I don't think that NK would just annex SK because of the tecnology gap and also japan and USA i see a mutual destrucion being more likely

[@GabrielSouza-ol1qg]

@@Novgorod_Republic ☠️

[@kitwanaabraham560]

To understand why the fertility rate is so low in south Korea, perhaps demographer should think outside the box, stop regurgitating the same old tired explanations, and figure out why the suicide rate in South Korean is so high. When a country has both the lowest fertility rate and the highest suicide rate among OECD countries these two phenomenon cannot be unrelated.

[@JoeSmith-sl9bq]

Over education and materialism kills nations

[@Perrirodan1]

My god he talked about it, hyper competitive society leads to suicide and few children

[@kitwanaabraham560]

​@Perrirodan1 @ 23:10 the issue of South Korea's high suicide rate is mentioned in passing and talked about for less than forty-five seconds. In fact, it is the very last topic introduced in a 28 minute long analysis of the demographic crisis facing South Korea that talked at length about "mismatched" evolutionary traits. This is hardly an attempt to figure out the link between both. Perhaps the very underlying factors driving the low fertility rate is also driving the high suicide rate in both the old and the young and should be treated as a tandem instead of separate issues.

[@ПавелКрот-х5ы]

On a positive note, in the first 9 months of 2024 SK recorded 0.73% more births than in the same period last year. Let's hope that is the beginning of reversal of their dire demographic situation.

[@ZoneofA]

More likely government started to fabricate false data to coverup magnitude of the disaster. For example Polish government has been doing it for decades. They ahve below replacement fertility sense early 90s, and massive emigrations where millions of polish moved to Germany, France, Uk, ISlan and so on, but completely fraudulent census data published by Polish authorities show stable population that is mathematically impossible given fertility rate and emigration rate. Similarly in my country (Croatia) government for years published fraudulent emigration data where official emigration was abut half what it actuary was, and the that was exposed during last census where population of the country collapsed by over 10% in just 10 years.

[@AustrianPainter14]

Haha a, comedian

[@lastsovietspy]

😂😂😂😂 let’s see 2025, maybe they will incite the war so a post war baby boom happens. the problem : internet, we actually don’t know what could happen mmhhh

[@johnelway9879]

Highly doubt those stats they’re taking the Chinese route after trying everything

[@peterfrost8774]

You argue that East Asian societies historically used infanticide to keep a balance between population and carrying capacity. Ron Unz has similarly argued that this balance was maintained through the inability of many men to marry (because there were not enough women for everyone). If a man was too poor, he simply couldn't find a wife. "... only the wealthier families of a Chinese village could afford the costs associated with obtaining wives for their sons, with female infanticide and other factors regularly ensuring up to a 15 percent shortfall in the number of available women. Thus, the poorest village strata usually failed to reproduce at all, while poverty and malnourishment also tended to lower fertility and raise infant mortality as one moved downward along the economic gradient." "‘How could any man in our village claim that his family had been poor for three generations? If a man is poor, then his son can’t afford to marry; and if his son can’t marry, there can’t be a third generation.’ "… Because of the marked shortage of women, there was always a great number of men without wives at all. This included the overwhelming majority of long-term hired laborers… The poorest families died out, being unable to arrange marriages for their sons. The future generations of poor were the descendants of bankrupted middle and rich peasants and landlords." www.ronunz.org/2013/03/10/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china/

[@MahmudHasan-me]

Wow this comment section is another example of pointing fingures at each other and not being decisive to tackle the crisis😔

[@robbygomez9966]

Would you make a video about Indian demographics? Considering that They’ve overtaken China as the most populous country in the world and I believe still have a youngish population , I’d be interested to see what you think their Demographic future entails.

[@ZoneofA]

They too have fertility below replacement (currently at 2.0), and on top of that they have massive emigration problems. Overall I predict Indian population will start declining within next 2 decades.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

Few decades of growth then decay, they are already below replacement.

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

The fertility rates of India and Bangladesh dropped below replacement recently. Within India, it is actually just y a few underdeveloped states with large populations that drive up overall fertility. The entire southern half of India has been below replacement for some time. Kerala and Tamil Nadu are already at a fertility level equal to the US and Western Europe. India's fertility hasn't dropped as fast as East Asia, probably because it was later to develop, and it remains a more religious society by comparison. But one should expect the same trend for India as elsewhere. In particular, the extreme population density will eventually translate into extreme urbanisation, high real estate prices and high cost of living that are the usual drivers for ultra-low fertility. India is probably just China minus 20-30 years.

[@Veylon]

@@pineapplesareyummy6352 Wait, _Bangladesh_ is below replacement? I assumed they were at like 4.

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

​@@Veylon They are slightly below 2. If you think they are at 4, your information is at least 25 years out of date. Bangladesh has been one of the most rapid declines in fertility rates. They were still 5-6 back in the 1980s.

[@HarryMonn]

American here but i am part south korean. Sad to see part of my ancestry disappearing like this.

[@adamelghalmi9771]

u mean part korean

[@PeruvianPotato]

>English surname Who's going to tell bro

[@ChristianDoretti]

@@PeruvianPotatoWeirdo

[@AustrianPainter14]

PeruvianPotato You are mixed too. You likely have a Spanish surname yet would like foreign in Madrid. Lol

[@PeruvianPotato]

@@AustrianPainter14 I'm saying that his father is someone that couldn't score in his own country and had to flee somewhere else to get any. Couldn't be my own father.

[@theodorezimin1547]

Another great video! enjoyed the analysis. One thing tho - can you please stop using ai slop for images to put in the video? they really look awful. i am pretty sure there are many pictures of south korean students, so that you don't need to use AI, like at 16:08

[@CanisMajoris-k9k]

ATTENTION! Hillarious plottwist: the timecode you showed is the picture generated by AI as well))) Look carefully at students' faces and hands. That comment tells us too much about society...

[@theodorezimin1547]

@@CanisMajoris-k9k I don't think you understood what I meant - I cited the timecode as an example of AI slop, not to say it was a true picture.

[@BenHopkins89]

This video was followed by two ads from holiday bookings sites - a reminder of all the fun things that young child-free people get to do in the modern world, and parents of 3+ kids (their demographic duty) can forget about for a decade or more. And the fewer children there are in a society, the more it will be oriented towards child-free young people who have both money and free time to spend it. This will make life even less fun for parents, who will be increasingly marginalised. So i find it hard to see how any country is going to succeed in reversing the downward trend unless there’s a massive catastrophe/war that destroys the modern world and forces those left to rebuild from scratch 😢.

[@vanessat9309]

As a mother of 3, I agree

[@AnthonySmith-x5z]

No kids = no young people = no customers

[@TheUrizen]

@@vanessat9309 I think KaiserBauch is right about what he said in his other video: it won't be until a full generation (the current childfree gen) experiences poverty and loneliness at old age that society will recognize that lifestyle as suboptimal and over decades slowly turn its gears towards supporting more natalist policies. And demographic policies are slow to take effect as well. We're still a good 40-50 years from seeing a visible change.

[@OctoberOctopusM]

I also had an ad from a holiday booking site - promoting holidays for families with childcare activities and childcare facilities so the children are entertained and the partents can enjoy couple time.

[@cnordegren]

It is politically incorrect and you are considered a "racist" if you say radical feminism is the cause of low fertility. The chaebol are most benefitted when women choose work over having babies as they can keep workers productive and notnpay for maternity leave.

[@Avghistorian77]

It is not coincidence that the rise of capitalism coincided with the slow and gradual rise of women’s rights.

[@CryptKeeper467]

@@Avghistorian77 Communists where biggest fans of women's rights and often criticised the west for not being feminist enough. Economic system did not caused feminism, it's cultural not economic problem. If women don't want children they won't have them regardless of economic system

[@to101md]

@@CryptKeeper467 Are we just gonna ignore the how H**ler overwhelmingly won the popular vote from women? To claim women's rights is communist subversion is absurd.

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

​@@CryptKeeper467Communism is only one such factor. Crony capitalism and corporatism would have EVERYONE working, men women and children. If you think I'm wrong just look at 1900s America.

[@WastedBananas]

why would you be considered a racist for talking about feminism lmfao those two things are not related

[@M43782]

Make a video about Chile. There's been a significant drop in the Total Fertility Rate (TFR) recently. What's most interesting, as you showed in your video, is the exceptionally high number of births outside of marriage.

[@PapaOscarNovember]

This is a pandemic plague level decimation of a population. Whether the 'plague' is modernization or cultural legacy is a matter of opinion, but clearly the combination is proving to be deadly.

[@tomatofeind2019]

Im korean and from my view the central issue is that the cost of living is so high, women NEED to work for couples to survive. Its near impossible to rent or own a home single. And the workplace culture here is extremely anti family, you cannot work and have kids. So its a choice between poverty and kids, or working and living decently. Its not hard to understand why people choose thr second. On top of that their are extreme costs to having kids in korea, if you dont pay for the best hagwon around you might as well hide in shame forever.

[@khimeraQ]

That has been the feeling I got from Korean expats I know and from visiting. Seoul is essentially one apartment complex where everything is priced and spaced enough so that an average worker can afford a 1 bedroom apartment and not much else. The city is based less on family and community and more as a storage space for the conglomerates to store and entertain their workers. The second Koreans in America get a suburbsn/rural house they thrive. It's the folly of urbanization and industrialization.

[@Star-from-Pink-Galaxy]

Can I ask if no one ever thinks about investing in home ownership instead of renting? You can pass to your children/receive your house from your kids. And once you finish paying it you never have to pay for rent in your life time.

[@tomatofeind2019]

@@khimeraQ yes you are 100% correct. Family homes are extortionate. Basically impossible on one income unless the husband is very senior at a chaebol or blessed from his parents. So women can't work once they have kids, but you can't afford to house said kids if you stop working - it's an awful trap. No one wants to live in a one bed flat with kids. I'm one of said expats, I have 3 kids but only could feasibly start family outside Korea which is sad

[@mergenmongush5492]

Вы не виновны, в том что ваше государство не позволяет вам бороться и достигать трудовых прав, как в других странах Запада. Но будете ли вы виновны в том, что ваши дети будут жить в подобных условиях? На мой взгляд период Маккартизма в Южной Корее затянулся.

[@etienne8110]

The main reason is the economy rather than the culture. SK is the country where raising kids is the costliest. Meanwhile economic inequalities are among the highest too there Meaning only a few very rich people can afford kids... Late stage capitalism at it s finest. SK will face a huge dépopulation in the coming years, which can be a boon for the remaining young people. They ll have work, giving them leverage to ask for better salaries and wealth repartition. Housing will become cheaper (empty houses as the population dies out) ... Etc...

[@baha3alshamari152]

Even the richest people in south Korea have fewer children

[@mergenmongush5492]

Напрасно вы думаете, что правящая элита, которая занимается возведением нового жилья позволит остановить стройку и снизит цены на жильё. Она скорее признаёт старые дома аварийными и снесет чем позволит в них кому-нибудь жить.

[@davidcervantes9336]

I liked your conclusion. It is up to society to adapt to the new circumstances and to find its way through the current era. I’m pretty sure that at some point, human survival instincts will kick in and people will change whatever needs to be changed in order to keep population afloat, even if that means to embrace radical cultural changes, disregarding if these changes go forward or backwards.

[@joakimsaxin6135]

It puzzles me that there is so little comparison with North Korea when discussing this topic.

[@tomatofeind2019]

Really??? Have a think about why that might be....

[@joakimsaxin6135]

@tomatofeind2019 would you care to enlighten me?

[@tomatofeind2019]

@@joakimsaxin6135 do you really trust north Korean figures on this? What reliable comparison can you expect to draw from a country with a near blackout policy?

[@joakimsaxin6135]

@@tomatofeind2019 but you can visit the country and easily tell the age of the population. It would be interesting to compare them because they are the same culture, even if you have limited data. I'm just surprised it is not even mentioned.

[@tomatofeind2019]

@joakimsaxin6135 no you can't. Most of north Korea is blocked off to foreigners, you cannot use Pyongyang as a measure, it is not representative of the rest of the country. And no, the culture is extremely different. I've met north Koreans and they are extremely different to use culturally, they are more like how my great grandparents are than how we, millennial Koreans are now. One huge example is that having a girl first is still very negative and a sign of bad luck amongst north Koreans, but here it's fine to have an older daughter.

[@michaelashby9654]

Given the dynamic nature of Korean culture, I suspect we will see Korea rapidly adjust into something sustainable.

[@laudermarauder]

South Korean fertility rate has been below replacement rate for four decades - they've already had plenty of time to rapidly adjust it upward but it kept getting lower.

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

It hasn't happened in Japan, or the other Asian Tigers (Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan), so there is no reason to believe South Korea is any different. Most likely, they will just accept a large-scale demographic decline. East Asian countries are not immigrant countries and prefer to keep their cultures intact from change.

[@dariuszgaat5771]

@@pineapplesareyummy6352 Well, South Korea is already an immigration country. Foreigners now make up 4.3% of her population.

[@bk-qq5nj]

I appreciate your hard work. But you couldn't escape the mainstream narrative. Low fertility in Korea has nothing to do with cultural things. In fact, Korea's fertility rate was more than 5 in 1950s when Korea was a lot poorer than now. Women's rights, as you described, was a lot lower back then than now. But still, fertility rate was one of the highest in the world. The real reason why Korea has low birth rate is because of Chaebols, family owned mega corporations which dominates all aspects of Koreans. They manufactured Korean culture as it is now. Hard working super competitive society. Also, they spread men hating feminism, so most Korean women feel anger against men. All the Mainstream narratives are created by Chaebols, explaining why and how things are. And these are everywhere on the internet. It's very hard to think clearly when these distractions are everywhere.

[@bk-qq5nj]

As you mensioned, Korean private education spending is ridiculous and Korean apartment prices are very high. Mothers play a major role here. You can see why Chaebols want women's right, because they are manipulated easily and you can make them to make children study hard to provide cheap and well educated work force, and also sell stupid apartments with high price.

[@pelace]

The population of South Korea more than doubled since the end of the korean war; today 51 million people live in a country that is roughly the same size as Hungary - a country with 9,6 million people. Why on earth should their population increase, or even stay the same, with the advances in technology, especially industrial technology?

[@yossared901]

Exactly. Everyone just assumes reducing the population is a bad thing, even though the mainstream understanding was the opposite just 10-15 years ago. Billionaires like Elon Musk have been making a big deal out of reducing population being bad only because their wealth and power relies on the constant growth model of the global economy. What we need is to get rid of the stock market, stop money printing, and reduce population, with a goal to living in harmony with nature.

[@matanamar]

Israel is much more densely populated, as industrial, and have above replacement FTR…

[@freddy4603]

They're a bit too far down for us to be talking about population _growth_ . But, if they keep dying out like this, at some point they'll just get conquered by the North, which actually has a good birthrate. (what that implies about economic systems sure is fun to think about)

[@bpete1964]

The demographic issue isn’t about total population numbers or population collapse (as many YT videos unfortunately are titled). Rather, the issue is stable population age structure. Without a stable population age structure, the economy and social structure are severely stained. That is what’s happening and what’s coming.

[@feliciaf8]

This is about the future population, not the current one

[@rbalsdldiify]

Korean here. I have some thoughts on this. Many are focusing on number of people, but maybe Korea does not need that much of a population in it. Almost every industries on earth are on their way of significant level of automation, if not fully. Also, Korea is not a country that has an economy based off of its domestic consumption, which then means that although the population crisis will have some negative impact on it, the degree of it may not be that severe as we expected to be. But the thing that really worries me is that HOW we got into this unprecedented situation. Sure this is now the universal problem but Korea is experiencing it harder. Is it because of highly competitive society, or disbelief on the future, or quarrels between both sexes? I am not quite sure. But its surely a thing that we need to work on right now.

[@ardweaden]

Average age of a father in Korea is 36, with 35 for mothers. We will take this as the duration of a "generation". Assuming TFR stays at 0.72, this would - assuming 100 people in the 1st generation - mean 36 people in the 2nd and 11 in the 3rd population. When 3rd generation would come of age, 1st generation would retire. This would mean only around 30% of the population would be working age people, and almost all of the rest would be old people. I believe this is unsustainable even for Korea.

[@JaStvarno]

Hello Korean 😊 I wonder for whom that automated society function if there are very few people there? Who's taking care of those machines/robots? What they are producing for super old society in free fall and decline? Doesn't sound to me like a bright future and something positive, but maybe I'm wrong.

[@bk-qq5nj]

Korean economy is solely supported by hard working culture. All the major equipments and technologies are bought from America, Europe and Japan. Korean Chaebols can make money using the same equipments, because of subsidies from the government and hard working culture. If your population works twice as hard as the rest, you can make money by importing same equipments and exporting the end product. When automation kicks in, Korea has no place in it. Because then, hardworking wouldn't be as effective as before.

[@rbalsdldiify]

@@ardweaden Your argument is valid only when your premise(TFR will stay the same for at least two or more generations) stands. But I highly doubt if it will. Population of a nation is just like any other phenomenon in the nature; it shrinks until its not too many, then it expands again until it is too many. Also elderly people thesedays are not the burdens of the society anymore. They could do many jobs that are not excessively physically/mentally demanding. So overall I think these things I have mentioned should be considered when assessing the situation.

[@rbalsdldiify]

@@bk-qq5nj I simply disagree on your opinion that Korean economy is backed by hardworking culture of Korean people. You can look up the stats about country's innovativeness like Korean R&D expenditure per GDP, Nature Index, or Bloomberg Innovation Index, and you will see that Korea stands quite solid in those areas and actually is improving each year.

[@mathnerd6523]

One thing I find interesting is that on paper South Korea and Israel are so similar but the birth rates are so different.

[@elcultomatematico3922]

Israel's birth rate is due to two populations, Orthodox Jews and Arabs. Secular Jews have a birth rate of 1.5 children per woman, similar to Europe, however Arabs have a birth rate of 2.3 children per woman (ideal birth rate) and Orthodox Jews have 5 children per woman. Arabs are often not fully integrated into society or belong to poorer social classes. Orthodox Jews reject the modern lifestyle and modern mentality, so much so that they prohibit the use of technology in their communities, cell phones with internet, only adults are allowed to use a smartphone, often without internet. Both share something in common, and that is that they are not fully integrated into secular Israeli society or its mentality.

[@elcultomatematico3922]

Similar patterns of behavior can be seen in immigrants who are not fully integrated into the Western mentality, both in Europe and America.

[@johnelway9879]

⁠@@elcultomatematico3922false secular Jews have a birthrate between 2-3 similar to Arabs

[@IbnShahid]

Israel has a substantial percentage of ultra Orthodox Jews within its population who are very big on having lots of kids. Plus despite the current conflict with the Palestinians there are many Jewish people from across the world who are migrating to settle in Israel because they no longer feel safe/comfortable where they’ve been living until recently and/or they want to show solidarity with the world’s only Jewish state. Both these factors serve to boost Israel’s population (factors which are absent in South Korea of course) though they do also present Israel with other social and political problems at the same time.

[@Novgorod_Republic]

From 18:04 to 18:20 is the most important thing here, especially the last words. How could you expect the result be any different if you teach females to become workers instead of mothers?

[@ShielaM-p1w]

Pure evil.

[@alexandraolaru8751]

"females"

[@cyklopka]

Maybe teach men to be more stay at home parent? Just saying

[@inigomeniego4906]

I don't follow other channels like this, so it's ok for you to talk about South Korea

[@VermontFootballBetter]

@@inigomeniego4906 Hoyt!

[@Chinochet]

19:15 Although your argument is not void, I’d like to point out that the chart categorizes family names according to their pronunciation. The same pronunciation can stand for multiple hanja(Chinese characters) and therefore distinct lineages that can be further divided into clans according to geographic origin. It is only incest when both of these conditions, family name(성/姓) and geographic origin(본관/本貫) are the same. This is fairly complicated to explain and I don’t want to give you wrong information so I advise you to refer to a Korean encyclopedia. Thank you for the video :)

[@sharkrecorder1738]

My favorite channel addressing the impending doom of my home country-fantastic

[@baamonster2]

It always comes down to money and time. People work too much and earn too little. They don't have the energy to raise kids.

[@JAY-gy1vg]

Video on india demographics when?

[@jackpotbear4559]

Never, we don't need a bunch of Number 1 superpower guys here

[@weetbix4497]

​@@jackpotbear4559 It would still be interesting though. I wonder if the situation in India with Hindus and other ethnicities is similar to the situation of ethnic Turks and Kurds in Turkey.

[@PaulKHeld]

When you learn to not to shit on the streets

[@jostnamane3951]

​@@weetbix4497 Hindus in India come from all ethnicities and tribes, although you could argue that Northeasterners (racially East and Southeast Asian) are unrepresented in the Hindu population. If anything, it would be a situation between ideologically Indo-Aryan-leaning Hindutvas (although they reject this fact about the origin of Vedic culture) and Dravidians and other indigenous tribes from the Northeast, Central and Eastern parts of India.

[@jostnamane3951]

@@weetbix4497 Hindus in India come from all ethnicities and tribes, although you could argue that Northeasterners (racially East and Southeast Asian) are underrepresented in the Hindu population.

[@Alexroberts666]

This is truly devastating. The fact that this is even happening is morbid.

[@ThalattaHaralus]

Fantastic video. You were spot on in pointing out that South Korea has a very family-unfriendly environment, not just workplace, but entertainment and leisure as well. It might seem silly, but the fact that, despite the success of K-dramas and K pop, there is no Korean "Disney" at all, and there are no Korean movies or cartoons that are the equivalent of, say, Phineas and Ferb or Finding Nemo. Such entertainment that is viewed as wholesome and kid-friendly in the West would be viewed as silly, unrealistic and even too "soft" by Koreans. It's a similar thing with playgrounds, amusement parks, Disney worlds, etc, that are either rare or non-existent in Korea. Honestly, the fact that such things exist, and there are many Westerners who still care about having families as a concept, gives me hope for future fertility recovery in the West, while East Asian fertility is probably doomed unless it comes up with its own family-friendly media.

[@mergenmongush5492]

Корея не способна создавать на основе своей заимствованной культуры шедевры описанных тобой жанров, которые были бы популярны на всей планете. Население Кореи во много раз меньше. Корея очень поздно присоединилась к Западному миру, чтобы создавать для него смыслы. Слишком мало прошло времени, чтобы Корея могла иметь собственную национальную идею, философию и международно признанные мифы. Более того материализм и культурная философия, которую Корея даёт для подростков вызывает сомнения в адекватности элит. В Западных странах разрешены социалистические и коммунистические партии. Но не в Южной Корее. Я уверен, пройдёт ещё немного времени и в Корее произойдёт революция и свобода слова восторжествует. Так было во всех странах мира, и я не вижу причин, по которым это не произойдёт в Южной Корее. Маккартизм затянулся.

[@stevens1041]

I remember when I was a teenager, I said "I will work so hard, and become so successful, that I will have a big happy family". Reality slapped me in the face so hard. Its trench warfare just to take care of one kid properly and keep the money coming in.

[@Scott-if3ce]

Well, it was nice knowing you South Korea...I hope they pull through. Also, do you have any recommendations on how to increase birth rates (or a video on this topic)? I know it will be different for each country, but let's say for European countries as an example.

[@OrisOsiris1]

there are already many youtubers point out this South Korean demographic problem, but no one has yet strategize a solution. even their government still hasn't found any effective solution

[@josepheridu3322]

Imagine the hell for younger people paying 10x more taxes while being a voting minority. That is the hell that is coming for most of the West and East Asia.

[@baha3alshamari152]

Not in China where voting doesn't exist

[@minyaw1234]

Things will not just run their course though. I would be happy if that were the case, but I believe governments won't let themselves die easily, the methods will get harsher and harsher, especially when wars are imminent and soldiers are needed.

[@bokunogentoo4420]

please don't use AI images in your videos anymore

[@nubilan]

Why not?

[@tann_man]

Please use more AI images in your videos

[@sullathehutt7720]

​@@nubilan Because it is haram devil technology.

[@scouthatesrainbows]

@@tann_manSouth Koreans who deny the importance of human life be like:

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

@@bokunogentoo4420 no. The ai images were mostly well used here. A big improvement, if you ask me.

[@Legendary9000]

TBH I think America is more similar to Asia then it thinks it is. I live here and theres definitely a big face based culture at least in greater NYC area. Religion is declining rapidly and it was floundering to begin with

[@baronvonjo1929]

I think thats more of a big American city thing than a over all American thing. Face is definitely important in certain aspects. But from my understanding Asia takes it to a extreme. I dont really see such things here in the US. But yeah it does exists. I guess it can be a lot of confirmation biases. I see people who can't seem to stop caring about their looks and how the present themselves. Then others who just don't care at all and look fairly bad. Like always when it comes to us Americans it's always extremes.

[@DayrusBPB]

How come Young ppl cannot afford to support a family of 4 or have living wage job or business to become independent??

[@josipboban6976]

Is there information from north korea?any?

[@ZoneofA]

Fertility rate in north is something like 1,9. Basically in something like 50 years north will take over south practically without the fight because there will be no one in south young enough to serve in the military.

[@GabrielSouza-ol1qg]

For what i search it the oficial declined to 1.78 recently, i mean is low and i think is even lower do to NK being well know for bring false numbers that are more favorable to the regime, but still more than 2x SK

[@dariuszgaat5771]

@@ZoneofA I think it is impossible with this technological disproportion between these countries and the constant support of the US for South Korea. I also don't think that SK will depopulate, they will simply focus on mass immigration.

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

@@ZoneofA you make the mistake of trusting NKs numbers.

[@ZoneofA]

@@user-uf2df6zf5w You are engaging in to delusional cope by asserting publicly available data abut DPRK fertility are wrong without any evidence.

[@AskTorin]

Good job once again Kaiser. Merry Christmas. Thank you for all your work.

[@ianjeffrey3637]

excellent -- very well thought through and carefully presented -- keep up the good work

[@stlaut2758]

2:23 Does this graph mean that couples make babies until they get a male, or what is the implication that the ratio is for 3rd and 4th so much higher?

[@oskars1419]

I think goverment should pay more for having children, and more people will want to have children 😊

[@dennismorgan2303]

remarkable insight and research a lot of work

[@ejc5105]

It seems like the issue is that it is simply impossible to return to the fertility rates of the 60's to 80's, which is consistent in most developed countries. Cities and infrastructure expanded to handle this boom, but it was never going to be permanent. Some of these dying towns need to be phased out so that the older towns and cities can have a healthier age demographic. However, this goes against capitalism and would require mass demolition and relocation, which would be seen as authoritarian. Also, even if countries shrank and relocated, they would be stuck with an old population for years to come. Those people have pensions and need socialized services.

[@oiocha5706]

The funny thing is that they don't even study very hard in any of these after-school private schools. They're used more like day care centers so that mom's can have free time to hang out in cafes and chat

[@fnorgen]

Oh that's not what I've heard. Supposedly it's not uncommon for entrance exams for prestigious schools to contain stuff which you could only realistically have learned at cram school, because it's not covered in the standard school curriculum. Also, don't forget that the kids still have homework to do, after cram school. Any kid who doesn't go to cram school will realistically never get a big corpo job, without which you're basically labelled a failure. Oh, and don't forget about homework. They still have to do homework after cram school.

[@palikariena7292]

They don’t have enough time to make your changes. It will be too late. The generation is 20 years, if you take 10 years to make the changes you lost of the next generation, you take 20 years….

[@nimamoradi2779]

One thing that get overlooked in this channel is social security, there is no need for childrens or investment, government will take care of me, leading to socialism and fewer children, governments will bring migrations for lack of population growth to sustain their flawed system, and people not investing in business because paying retirement to government leading more socialism (lower production and worst economic calculations) and higher taxes making everything even harder

[@frocco7125]

The small dïck PragerU viewer has logged on. South Korea being "socialist" lmao they are HYPER capitalist, HYPER pro business and HYPER austere. Did you not listen to the vid? They have HALF the social spending of the western average nations, and it used to be even LOWER.

[@tann_man]

+ you're forcefully confiscating wealth from young men who are already poor and can barely afford life let alone a wife or children. It'll only make doing so more difficult, you'll have less family formation, less children, a smaller base to siphon wealth from. It's a ponzi that feeds it's own doom

[@sw3783]

Social Security will go bankrupt by 2030.

[@earth9531]

Seveeeere alcoholism in Korean men, too. You are expected to drink with your elders and bosses. Alcoholic dads don’t help with the kids.

[@dapperbunch5029]

South Korea is why Caesar’s Legion is a perfectly moral faction.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

?

[@purpleelemental3955]

@@MarketsDriveTheWorld go play Fallout New Vegas and you'll get it.

[@robertmartin6800]

What a strangely esoteric idea.

[@AskTorin]

Reading that made me chuckle. Did not expect to read that! I see where you're coming from.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

>Symbol is a bull >Uses women as pack mules Umm, based?

[@ConversionCenters]

Thank you for the well done analysis. Our conclusions point to education levels. This is far more "big picture" but, as the number of college degrees granted to women in a society goes up, the number of children born go down. The only reason my state here in the US has maintained it's representation in the House of Representatives is because of immigration. It seems a dedication to higher education is directly linked to much smaller families. In 1920 US birth rates were 120 per 1,000 population, today they are 54 per 1,000 population. In 1920 almost 7% of women earned bachelor's degrees, today about 47% of women earn a college degree.

[@weetbix4497]

Wrt the gender relations, I hear the incels and feminists in SK make ours seem incredibly tame in comparison. When the martial law was imposed recently, I saw many rumours of an "incel revolution" everywhere, but couldn't find details. Does anyone know if anything like this happened?

[@-haclong2366]

The difference is that here those in institutional power (who define what "the left" means) became pro-trans and pro-immigration. In places without a lot of immigration the N.G.O.'s focus on exclusively helping girls. Notice that South Korean Feminists protest against allowing male students in exclusively female universities but male universities don't exist. Likewise, conscription only affects men and Feminists lobbied to have any advantages men had from it removed, a man who has served in the military now is unable to list that as work experience.

[@d8qx0j31]

I'm South korean myself and i have never heard of incel revolutions in the recent period of time with martial law happening

[@AureliusLaurentius1099]

​@@-haclong2366 Okay the conscription bit is outright cruel

[@arielwertlen6709]

This is ridiculous, and more of a reflection of the quality of your sources than South Korea itself.

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

​@@arielwertlen6709The fact that you are here attacking him without any evidence tells me that there may be some truth to his statement. Congratulations you feminist, you and women like you have literally killed off entire civilizations. I am really beginning to think Afghanistan has the right idea when it comes to you.

[@UltraRaditzStane]

Bro at this rate they gonna put me into a zoo and classify me as the last of my kind💀😭

[@Yarnooee]

while our girls swinging kpop light stick at president impeachment protest, boys despise them for how irresponsible they are. one detail most people missed about s.korea is how much politically divided between young men and women in korea is. we are literally going through civil war without guns.

[@reginaldbauer5243]

What is the solution to these demographic crises in the developed world - importing more foreign women into one's home country? What happens with the birth rate when this occurs? What about divorce rates after these foreign women come in? Why do these marriages end in divorce so soon? Does this occur when children have already been born or are no children produced?

[@mergenmongush5492]

Не думаю, что импорт рабочих это путь для Кореи. В этом регионе есть более перспективные места для трудоустройства. Корея находится в состоянии замороженного конфликта. Никто в здравом уме не будет долгое время работать и пытаться получить гражданство в таком месте. Тем более у её оппонента ситуация с рождаемостью куда лучше, а значит перспектив для полного отказа от военных действий не наблюдается.

[@Teney1994]

Какие рабочие? Он говорит о женщинах чтобы на каждого мужика было 1.1 женщин. Такое есть только в странах где десятки лет идёт война. Украине и РФ до такого ещё воевать и воевать. А Германии для этого надо импортировать 10млн только женщин. В Корее он и сказал что китаянок завозят мужики, но разводов много. Работать женщины шибко не будут бтв.

[@alexprince9035]

This might just be a natural correction. Look how much Korea population increased after the war. They already have way too many people in a small area same with Japan

[@enticingmay435]

Exactly. Same goes for places like Japan, Taiwan, China and the rest of east and Southeast Asia. What’s happening is just a natural corrections. These societies, the environment and the world will be better for it. When you have too many people their lives become just a number. The best countries to live in the world right now (Nordic countries) all have small populations.

[@weltarchiv4]

pure cope

[@alexprince9035]

@ if Korea , Japan , chinas populations were allowed to double again. What do you think will happen? You need to train your iq intensively. You obviously don’t understand the ramifications if population just continues to increase with no checks

[@AustrianPainter14]

The problem is there’s no floor. You’re mistaking this as intentional and controlled when it isn’t. It’s a collapse. Vvomen would be doing this is the population were one million people or 500 million.

[@barondino4628]

​@enticingmay435 South Korea and Japan are "overpopulated" only in the few big cities, in the rest of the country you have old people dying alone. By the way, their fertility rate keeps plummeting, this isn't a correction, but a disaster.

[@ned8549]

High quality post. Thanks

[@konplayz]

Hypercapitalist dystopia

[@barondino4628]

That's why they got so rich and cool so fast.

[@konplayz]

@ not admitting capitalism is the best system we have is delusional, not admitting that south korea is doing something wrong with its economic and societal systems is also delusional

[@skylinefever]

South Korea: Cyberpunk dystopia North Korea: Orwellian dystopia

[@nurzhan3269]

@@skylinefever They managed to take both extremes

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

Another wumao claiming capitalism is at fault, huh? You do realize China's birthrate is almost as bad, right?

[@papapavlov5407]

Here are the timestamps: I. Introduction 0:08 II. The Evolutionary Mismatch 2:35 III. Cultural Programming 7:05 IV. What happened? 13:55 V. Conclusions 23:58

[@kaopin14]

Good video. But the music clips during intermissions are ear-splittingly loud.

[@M43782]

If you isolated people who should have been looking for a spouse for two years in lockdown, you shouldn't be surprised that there are fewer marriages now.

[@Sudulicious]

Trends were setting in even prior to 2020

[@trickster3452]

Lol this problem exists in western countrys atleast since the 90s, MUH LOCKDOWN.

[@samuelcheung4799]

Stop lying to yourself thinking that this problem was caused by the COVID 19 pandemic of all things.

[@Organic_Organist]

Cant the Koreans who left simply cone back? Those who immigrate tend to have more kids than natives who stay.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Why would they want to? People who become Diaspora tend to stay Diaspora. There are exceptions such as people who leave specifically to study at a university, but if they set roots they're likely to stay.

[@kurtonela]

I just gotta say the chapter transition music is incredibly loud. Other than that, very interesting video!

[@VictorSneller]

This should be the only current affair reported about in the West. New families are not forming.

[@Tetemovies4]

It's nearly impossible to go extinct because of low fertility, when people imagine what a low fertility population curve looks like, they overwhelmingly intuit a linear curve while in reality it is analogous to a half life curve.

[@FayotSonic]

Good vid once again

[@tylercochell2253]

Most populations will find an equilibrium at some level under the current peak. Unfortunately for us the transition period will be rough. Automation and AI may take jobs in the short term but may be our only hope for a soft landing.

[@belstar1128]

The optimist in me still thinks its just because south Korea is densely populated and everyone was saying the world is overpopulated 10 years ago and people over 20 are too stubborn to change their minds

[@charlien6123]

The 4B movement is worsening this issue

[@mjr_schneider]

4B is way overblown actually. Most South Koreans have never heard of it. It's arguable that it's more well known in America than in South Korea at this point. If anything, it's more of a reaction to pronatalist government policies, which are in turn a reaction to the pre-existing problem of low birth rates.

[@tomatofeind2019]

I'm Korean and no one has heard of the 4B movement. FWIW, what you see on western social media does not actually mirror reality in east Asia 👍

[@charlien6123]

@ thanks for the courage

[@slawekra4822]

I thought your video was interesting, however you didn't 100% address why S. Korea has such an ultra low fertility rate. Do you think countries like Poland, Spain or Lithuania could get that low? In Poland we'll likely be 1.10 after this year. It's good to see your work as I listen to most of your videos. Would be good to meet you if you're ever in Warsaw.

[@Nermalton77]

I always found that odd. I always see more kids in warsaw than in any other European city that I visit

[@slawekra4822]

@Nermalton77 Unlike in other countries, Besides Kashubian area and Nowy Sącz area, the latter known for being very conservative, the highest fertility rates in the country are in the 'suburban areas' (outer districts & small cities surrounding big cities like Warsaw, Poznań, Kraków, Gdańsk etc) have higher fertility.

[@Nermalton77]

@@slawekra4822 Makes a lot of sense

[@donalddesrosiersdsd5381]

They are massively overcrowded...

[@person-jw7vb]

So is europe, but that does not stop millions of wignats from writing manifestos of how they cant breed

[@SetTheCurve]

What the hell would we want children for? Life is miserable.

[@pistoneteo]

Salve Kaiserbauch our malthusian profet.

[@enticingmay435]

People can’t afford to support themselves financially let alone children. Housing is unaffordable, education is unaffordable, healthcare is unaffordable, wages are stagnant, everything is so expensive that people can’t save to start a family. That’s literally why the world is facing ultra low fertility. It’s not women, it’s not wokeness, it’s not feminism. Why do people have such a hard time understanding that?

[@darkarchon2841]

Because it's not true. Education is perfectly affordable in Europe. So is healthcare. So is having children in general. But people still don't do it. Not everywhere is USA, but everywhere, fertility rate is falling.

[@tann_man]

It's women's lib + currency debasement.

[@zenmasta4188]

bullshit. what about rich women? they have 0-1 kids.

[@feliciaf8]

Even the people that have the resources, they still don't have the incentive to have kids or family? So what's the problem? It's deeper than that

[@zenmasta4188]

@@feliciaf8 the problem is women. I know a man who had to make a deal with his second wife to have a second child. the deal was he had to stay at home and raise the child for 3 years. if you want more children you have to make deals with the women😂

[@witherbossmoregamesc]

stop with this AI slop

[@mergenmongush5492]

Западный мир ожидает большой военный конфликт с 2021 года. На репродуктивное поведение помимо прочих факторов влияет геополитическая ситуация. Элиты направляют СМИ по пути конфронтации и эскалации, а также правительства западных стран увеличивают расходы на национальную оборону в ущерб социальным программам. Корея находится в состоянии замороженного конфликта очень долго и перспективы заботы о детях в такое время размыты и непонятны. Наблюдаемое снижение рождаемости в последние 3 года это следствие неразумного поведения направленного на эскалацию.

[@bahurhaviv]

babe wake up, kaiserbauch uploaded a new video 😍

[@roni8h]

Good video. Just note that the pronunciation of scarce is not as you say it.

[@JohnSmith-ns8do]

Can you please do China, India or Nigera.

[@greekswaglord-dathistoryla201]

May I ask do you have any medium through which I can discuss with you about declining birth rates and what might happen in the future?

[@Gravitatis]

reporting this video for racism.