Why Are There Only Two CPU Companies?

[@michaelbergman1950]

"The 1981 IBM Personal computer was the first PC." "It blew it's competitors out of the market."

[@killingtime4444]

Lol I noticed that too

[@francisconnellan350]

My first PC was in 1991 a Philips 386sx 16mhz 40MB hdd and 4 mb ram and ms-dos 4.0 and windows 3.0

[@Bobis32]

it was the first computer that made major inroads into homes other than the commodore 64

[@biennium992]

I interpreted that as meaning the first of its family, what used to be called the “IBM-compatible PC.” Yeah, it’s not literally the first PC, but it’s the first device of the IBM-compatible PC family and was named, “IBM Personal Computer.” I had a bigger disagreement with the “great value for money” part. The IBM PC didn’t offer great value, which is how Compaq and Dell and so on were able to undercut them so quickly. It was a great financial success because, before IBM entered the market, PCs were great but untrusted. People didn’t want to put their business on a device that cost $1500 (Commodore 64, inflation-adjusted) to $5000 (Apple II, inflation-adjusted) and looked like a toy and came from a hobbyist company. But when serious company IBM came out with a ($4000 inflation-adjusted) device without frivolous bitmapped graphics, then that validated the concept for business users. Thus disproving by example the capitalist theory of the efficient market.

[@omnikaquarius4314]

@@biennium992 great narrative, but I would suggest using the original price/year in order to allow people to calculate it by the time they read it.

[@cyberdog4419]

I liked that red vs blue reference at the end

[@ethanwhitney6994]

Only reason I liked the video

[@La_sagne]

especially since i was disappointed a second earlier when he said politics.. it made the rvb reference much more satisfying

[@juckyvortex]

@@La_sagne just wait until the second joke also is about Politics. That joke age pretty badly.

[@ItsNerfOrNathan]

I like how the top comment always spoils the best joke

[@darkenergy7291]

same. also, as of writing this reply, the comment has exactly 117 reactions. I stayed my hand from liking the comment only so I don't ruin this number

[@AoCabo]

A couple of years ago: "why is there only one CPU company?" I'd like to think we've made 100% progress

[@naoltitude9516]

Underrated comment

[@DiarrheaBubbles]

I built my first AMD rig in the early 2000s. Pretty sure AMD has been around for a long long time.

[@jklusky2425]

@@DiarrheaBubbles hasnt been relevant for a while tho

[@jaquanmanes5950]

@@jklusky2425 that's literally refuted by the video tho ;p

[@alikebadge6]

200%

[@radomiami]

TL;DR: Everything but AMD and Intel sucked so badly that they died. The end. Hey, it's me two years from the future! Don't take the TL;DR too seriously, it's a SpongeBob reference.

[@bananasause2451]

Thanks saved minutes of my life

[@Fifocz]

Thank you

[@Paawan0]

Oh well, I'm gonna watch it anyway

[@abagel186]

Thx

[@bananasause2451]

@@abagel186 welcome

[@relaity1496]

plot twist: the guy is Linus in disguise but more chill

[@brycecrispy1897]

It's a deep fake, secretly the person behind is Linus

[@rehanasultana6216]

Ye

[@redpyro217]

You can tell by the LTT sweater

[@mikehunt3688]

and funny too

[@mike3963]

It’s Linus but in the 90’s and funny

[@ruxandy]

fun fact: AMD used to be team green :-)

[@sharcc2511]

Can confirm, my stock cooler on my FX-8120 has the green logo. And also runs like shit.

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

Amd basically intel

[@CHAD-ek4dl]

nvidia was bigger green brand at any time

[@MarkLikesCoffee860]

ATI was team red. AMD bought team red in 2006.

[@DJSV25]

@@sharcc2511 I also have a 8350 stock cooler. That thing is hilariously bad. It seems like they build it like shit on purpose.

[@AlexTenThousand]

I like the fact that AMD managed to deadlock Intel into an agreement that ensures they can't just pull the rug out from under them. Intel owns the x86 instruction set and licenses it to AMD, but AMD owns the x86-64 architecture (or AMD64) and licenses it to Intel, and their attempts at an alternative 64-bit architecture like Itanium have failed miserably.

[@ThatGoat]

OR maybe (tinfoil hat on) AMD was artificially kept alive and allowed to live just so Intel doesn't trip into US anti-monopoly law which would crush their profits like rent-control .... neah, that's just tinfoil hat bullshit, no way someone would pull anything mischievous for the sake of profit .... large companies never do that.

[@whiteknight7wayne493]

I suppose ur generally correct but your math doesnt include the years approximately 6+ years ...the K62 was superior and (came out in 1997) to intels pentium 4 and so forth for a few iterations , plus first to 1ghz(1999) and first to 64bit(2003). .. AMDs multicore strategy was a comparitive failure but intel took forever to move off 4 cores, if AMD had been able to capatilize on their technical success more, they would have been competitive sooner...l dont feel like doing the research but i think u didnt count some other years. when itntel was behind they maintained mind share and likely $$$ share to aid that. the impression of who is ahead isnt known or noticed by the general public. Just as Thomas Edison was a great but still inferior engineer than Westinghouse...but most ppl know the former because his publicity stunt etc and he apparently took some of his engineers credit. The truth is not easy to arrive at in this world of cheating and collusions etc.

[@blairhoughton7918]

​@@whiteknight7wayne493K64 beat Intel at one or two price points; Intel ruled the rest. Then after AMD bought ATI it started to bungle everything, almost died, had to sell off its HQ and its fabs, and was saved by 1. Jim Keller handing them Ryzen (for a fee); 2. the sudden growth of crypto mining which sent GPU prices and volumes to Mars; and 3. Intel getting so arrogant, complacent, insular, and clueless that it couldn't make any progress at all for nearly a decade.

[@vps31]

Similar to how Coke and Pepsi are "rivals" but in reality depend on each other for marketing and popularity

[@wavion2]

Eventually they'll just merge into 1 company. Governments will find some BS excuse why it's not a monopoly, and that'll be that.

[@mocsont]

A "low-cost, but powerful" Intel CPU. How times have changed.

[@the_danksmith134]

"...because of their high performance per watt..."

[@jayaniceday3602]

Actually things were not that low cost back then with floppy drives costing near $300 and an average Apple II running in the $5000 range. Of course DIY PCs did not exist back then to purchase individual CPUs.

[@crazywyvern4704]

They are actually low cost but powerful now that amd is king and kicked the prices up like 50-100 dollars

[@juliancumming6893]

Intel chips are way cheaper than the amd counterparts in my country right now and they're actually flush with stock. Alot of people moving to Intel right now for how much cheaper it is and will be for a good few months to a year.

[@thefreedomguyuk]

And yet, if you look at what you are feeding into it, it's comparatively quite lame.

[@dimdimbramantyo7666]

1:49 for almost my entire life I finally know what AMD stands for

[@drright71]

Level Up: Intel stands for Integrated Electronics.

[@justamanofculture12]

@@drright71 nice lol lol

[@md.mehedihasan9348]

A simple google search would fullfil your quest long before.

[@dimdimbramantyo7666]

@@drright71 *mindblown *

[@dimdimbramantyo7666]

@@md.mehedihasan9348 the thing is, I didn't even knew that AMD is an abbreviation

[@harris72kolj74]

Imagine if Qualcomm randomly said that they're gonna start making a PC cpu, the earth would shatter

[@WhyteLis21]

If Apple hadn't switch to ARM for their M1 chip, I though, Apple would be the one, though. Lol.

[@N3345]

@@WhyteLis21 only problem is price because... Ya know 1200$ for a phone with badder specs than a 800$ phone and NO CHARGER apple cpu gonna be only the blueprints

[@WhyteLis21]

@@N3345 👍😁

[@WhyteLis21]

@@brandaccount4968 Well then, you better keep up. It's not 2012, it's 2021! 😆

[@porridgeman]

Didn’t Qualcomm make the Surface cpu?

[@seriousaleks8752]

Yo I love this guy. His voice is like BUTTER

[@azyrael96]

Still a ripoff from that guy from ltt though.

[@ysnsmth]

@@azyrael96 ikr, these guys have literally no shame in stealing voices🙄

[@randompirates4824]

too sweet even youtube thinks he speaking korean

[@timothynye438]

@@azyrael96 you are kidding, right?

[@Zamn_daniel]

@@timothynye438 of course he’s kidding

[@parlor3115]

When he said "Please colonel, I'm married", I felt that

[@stonethemason12]

Really. You felt it.

[@reprisler]

@@stonethemason12 It's devastating. You're devastated right now.

[@jackalsandwolves3693]

Remember, KFC made a dating game with the colonel.

[@neoasura]

@@stonethemason12 Come on, you know it's hip when kids repeat things they constantly see others make in comments like "I felt that" or "plot twist" or "we need to protect him at all costs"

[@OrangeC7]

@@jackalsandwolves3693 I was trying to forget about that

[@marcelosantos5683]

As a computer science student, I think that part of the reason they have taken out the market is that it is VERY hard to make a CPU better, so if you already have a base and dedicated team and resources it is easier to continue on the market than it is for other companies to enter the market, as they won't have the baseline of equipment and reputation

[@justamanofculture12]

As a fellow computer science student, i agree with you. It's actually very very hard to manufacturer cpus cheaply. And creating a new cpu architecture is nearly impossible lol.

[@brenofaria4107]

As a dentist, I agree

[@LividSky]

As a highschooler who wants to pursue a field that works with computers, yes

[@thevindictive6145]

As a human, I totally disagree. Licensing should only be a point to purchase until a certain time has passed. But there is no reason why they can't just copy and paste. There are massive potential profits and I got a feeling politics are stopping the copy and paste from happening.

[@marcelosantos5683]

@@thevindictive6145 well, intel did this with the 8088 processor (I think it was that one), and now we have 2 companies ruling the market. Also, Intel's first microprocessor was made exactly 50 years ago, so even with the best patent/copyright laws they may still have the patent for it, and it is known that companies try to "extend" the lifetime of a patent, but nothing is done (like printer inks and insulin medication). At the end you are right, realising the patents would make it easier, but I still think it would be hard

[@liminjini8147]

*"Red pill or blue pill"* This shit is relevant everywhere

[@dopplesoddner2899]

L vs Light

[@Nxbnull]

Literally

[@monkeslayer-km5ho]

Purple pill or gay pill (RGB pill) Recommended: gay pill

[@nazmulhossain5490]

Red wire or blue wire on bomb

[@TheRealFFS]

Not in the graphics card domain.

[@namuzed]

I love how Zilog (maker of the Z80 processor) is technically still around and being used.

[@GSBarlev]

TI graphing calculators, right?

[@catriona_drummond]

Meanwhile the Chinese happily make x86 CPU's with the old Cyrix/VIA license.

[@ThylineTheGay]

lol

[@GeoTechLand]

It is looking like x86 cpus will be obsolete soon with the rise of ARM. But I hope that RISC V CPUs replace ARM eventually.

[@anona1443]

@@GeoTechLand advancements in virtualisation will render cpu architecture obsolete for personal computers.

[@EDToasty]

​@@anona1443 > cpu architecture obsolete That's... not how that works at all.

[@anona1443]

@@EDToasty I actually meant "immaterial"

[@saricubra2867]

"Two CPU companies" Correction: *Two x86 CPU companies* .

[@wta1518]

Correction: Two CPU companies that make CPUs that actually work for desktops.

[@saricubra2867]

@@wta1518 You have to count laptops too.

[@wta1518]

@@saricubra2867 Sorry. Two CPU companies that make CPUs that actually work for desktops or laptops without emulation.

[@wta1518]

@Jobins John Most, not all.

[@thekombinator5833]

@@wta1518 LOL 68000 what was that insignificant blip.

[@ccxcheng0512]

Nobody: Subtitles: Korean Edit: erm, they roll out their own subtitle, the joke can considered dead.

[@amitezuthachan5779]

nobody nobody tired of this

[@JanghanHong]

and... the Korean is gibberish too, it's doesn't even seem to be a phonetic transcription, just word salad.

[@Brandino807]

At least I'm Korean and can read it, but it's just words... doesn't match

[@theflame45]

😂

[@utspish]

@@JanghanHong it's trying its best, some parts are phonetically similar

[@ScottGrammer]

Riley: Why are there only two cpu companies? Apple: Who said there were only two?

[@somabiswas2629]

When apple started to make pc CPUs

[@hexados7479]

@@somabiswas2629 Don’t you mean Mac cpus

[@somabiswas2629]

@@hexados7479 I mean Processors not only for Mac or iMac, for many PCs like Intel

[@cheedam8738]

@@somabiswas2629 true. they only make cpus for mac and you cant build a custom mac.

[@last7509]

the heglian dialectic. thats why. ( and id like to see you build a mac by yourself)

[@halfdead69]

If memory serves, Intel wasn't too keen on licencing x86. It took AMD and Cyrix reverse engineering early Intel chips. And I think IMB x86 CPUs were just rebranded Cyrix ones, because Cyrix desperately needed a fab to make their chips and IBM basically said "Sure we'll make your CPUs, But half of them are going to be IBM CPUs" and they didn't really have a better option.

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

No, it took IBM *requiring* a second source - which ended up being AMD.

[@blairhoughton7918]

​@@bricefleckenstein9666And Intel bungling that license agreement.

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

@@blairhoughton7918 More that Intel didn't worry about having AMD as the second source, once they decided to put up with it due to IBM pressure.

[@blairhoughton7918]

@@bricefleckenstein9666 They accepted it then, grudgingly. But once that expired and IBM wasn't driving, Intel sued to stop AMD, and the courts exposed how badly they'd bungled the original agreement. Probably cost them about a trillion dollars over 30 years.

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

@@blairhoughton7918 The third party agreement didn't EXPIRE. Intel sued to END it, as IBM was no longer worrying about enforcing it.

[@huhwah5387]

One economic principle: Economies of Scale.

[@drabberfrog]

Yeah. Silicon engraving machines are expensive.

[@dan_loup]

Also patent trolling to hell. Trying to make x86 CPU without getting trounced by intel and AMD patents is quite impossible. Just ask nvidia.

[@asleeperj]

@@dan_loup Another Economic Principle: Regulatory Capture.

[@devinotero1798]

Not how it works lol

[@huhwah5387]

@@devinotero1798 Hahahahahehehehehhohohohowhohowhwohwho 😅🤣🤣😅😂😂😅😅🤣😂😂😅🤣

[@Chriva]

The IBM was anything but affordable at the time. We have the clones to thank for most of the popularity :)

[@solid-state]

Thank you! The first IBM PC wasn't anything of what's described in the video, it was clones and brand recognition that made it popular, and it still took almost 10 years for it to become popular in the home market

[@dan_loup]

The gang of nine made it a thing

[@samtherat6]

Yeah, it was the fact that the hardware could easily be replicated, and the small company known as “Microsoft” was allowed to license the OS to other companies.

[@DocTime56]

@Scar. The IBM PC wasn’t THAT popular when compared to the IBM compatible (or clone) PC’s

[@Chriva]

@Scar. I'm saying that IBM may've been the ones to invent the overall PC architecture(the overall platform, not the processor ISA) but they were just overly expensive business machines (Not surprising given their name: International Business Machines Corp.) not really intended for the home market before Compaq and several other companies reverse engineered their platform and made their own machines. IBM did a big mistake and used off-the-shelf components so the other guys just had to implement their own BIOS that was compatible with the software used by IBM PC. There's so much more to the whole story so I highly recommend you spend some time reading up on it. :)

[@stargazerequiem]

3:24 After the "now, of course" I expected Riley to say "its time for the quick bits"

[@CreeperPookie]

it's*

[@stargazerequiem]

@@CreeperPookie how old are you? You seem pretentious

[@kingaflamez6941]

Nvidia saw this video and didn't get AMD, they got MAD.

[@superslike]

When I clicked on this video I was like: why is Linus voicing over this video?

[@farhabaig8097]

Sameeee

[@superslike]

@Hexor nah

[@sharoyveduchi]

Protip: There isn't only two CPU companies, even for x86. Vortex86 still exists for example. VIA might still be alive too. Elbrus2000 CPUs also can run x86 software through Binary Translation for any OS.

[@arthemis1039]

Yes indeed, but they are not relevant in the Consumer PC space :)

[@barrybritcher]

I thought via was Nvidia now or is that just me

[@sharoyveduchi]

@@arthemis1039 Elbrus WILL be relevant in the consumer PC space. Some russian youtubers already have access to them and are able to play AAA games on them.

[@arthemis1039]

@@sharoyveduchi I hope you are right !

[@RonnyJakobsson]

Both Apple and Microsoft are moving to Arm. So in a couple of years we will have many more options for the PC

[@jokinglimitreached1503]

RISC-V is on the horizon, and might change the Intel-AMD duopoly. It's an interesting time we live in

[@pablo17667140]

plis, i have a lot of hope about a future with RISC-V

[@Blaze6108]

Eh, it would need to implement or emulate x86, which has a licensing issue that courts haven't pronounced themselves on yet. Although hopefully Apple's M1, which also runs x86 in part, might give them the right nudge.

[@EndOfForever]

If I was AMD or Intel, I'd be researching and developing RISC-V for a post-x86 world.

[@alfiegordon9013]

Haha good one

[@jokinglimitreached1503]

@@Blaze6108 All x86 patents expire in year 2026, I believe. That means full emulation is possible then. RISC-V seems to be the future of all CPUs, including IoT, cloud and desktop, if the funding is there.

[@yukinagato1573]

Wait. Isn't Cyrix pronounced like """"Sairix""""?

[@RokeJulianLockhart.s4eb2q]

Who are you asking?

[@johnbod]

Samir Naga... Naga ... Naga... Not gonna work here anymore, anyway

[@bipolaradhdsuck]

See-rix

[@Joeyboots80]

I knew someone who worked for them, he pronounced it Sigh-Ricks. And yes, I am old AF.

[@youdontknowme5969]

LOL I don't think anybody knows I've heard all 3: sir-ix seer-ix sy-rix

[@daicekube]

Hey! Don't forget Zilog's Z80! The one with built in support for dynamic RAM. And Fairchild made one CPU often used in early TV game consoles, the ones with cartridges. I think that one was called F8. Interesting since the memory chips contained the address register and the CPU just issued base address and then incremented or decremented the address.

[@HappyGick]

Simply put, making CPUs is hard. Very hard. It is said that intel always aims to make the best of their CPUs, for ex. the i9, in each gen because only 10% of the silicon dies are fully functional i9 CPUs. The rest get discarded or repurposed (because CPUs also happen to be PICs). Photolithography is such a delicate process that it often goes wrong. I can also attest to how hard even designing a CPU is. In my university, my electronics professor used to make his students assemble a simple ALU (a section of a CPU dedicated exclusively to doing math) on a breadboard as a lab practice. He says that he stopped doing it because students burnt a lot of the ICs necessary for the practice. It's not that the uni couldn't afford to replace them, it's just that it happened every single semester. Serves as a testament of how easy it is to get it wrong. This is without circuit optimization. Our CPUs would be over twice as large and expensive if not for circuit optimization. I'm never surprised that no one ever competes with Intel, AMD, or other microchip companies. It's not just that there's a lot of expensive paperwork in the middle (patents, copyright, trademarks, licenses), it's also that making a CPU is one of the most difficult tasks in existence.

[@tripzero0]

I feel like I still don't know why there's only two...

[@Sick1982]

Because there are many more...

[@Distress.]

Yeah it barely touche Don it but licenses and probably because it's a very capital intensive industry

[@Argoon1981]

@WhatTheHell AmIDoingWithMyLife The US cannot forbid other countries from making CPU's, even x86 ones, China produces x86 CPU's for their own internal market using old Cyrex/Via tech. The real reason for so few CPU makers, is that modern CPU's are VERY VERY hard to do, not everyone has the tech and the people to do it, no matter if they cared for patents or not.

[@michaeljoshua5040]

Because programmers and operating systems developers used to code for the CPUs of these two companies only. So basically, a CPU without a programmer is useless.

[@biennium992]

The American implementation of capitalism privileges the convenience of the consumer rather than the health of competing companies. That creates strong winner-takes-all dynamics. Intel created the x86, and once they grew big enough not to need second-source manufacturers anymore, they took arguably illegal steps (anti-trust law violations, lots of lawsuits and investigations and multi-billion-dollar deals to resolve them) to ensure that companies that wanted the fastest x86 processors couldn’t go to other companies for the not-fastest processors. AMD limped along on the back of third-tier manufacturers and PC enthusiasts, especially when they merged with NexGen in 1996 and started making processors that were competitive with the Intel processors of the time. The K7 Athlon was sometimes faster than the fastest Intel processors, and was a major turning point. It enabled them to overcome Intel’s monopolistic hold on the PC manufacturers. But AMD is still far smaller than Intel, not capable of producing nearly as many chips. Basically, Intel’s aggressive and arguably illegal tactics starved the other x86 chip makers so they couldn’t invest the money to keep up, and AMD managed to hang on long enough for the anti-trust cases to resolve in their favor.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

Because nobody else has enough cash and/or the right connections for the hardware to make them

[@flos251]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/moLaZapvjMyLmbM

[@OfficialyMax]

Unless it's Elon musk ofc :p Imagine if he could though oml

[@skulDoofen]

bruh

[@Blaze6108]

More like licensing. The idea that implementing an instruction set would be a copyright or patent violation is completely insane to me, but because it is legally untreated ground no one wants to take the risk, and the judicial branch has never taken a position despite how obviously important this is. Government inaction is great isn't it.

[@5GTower1000Percent]

That is not correct. Cash is not the prime factor here. The issue is that the x86 architecture is needed, which is licensed by intel, which means, that yes you need money, but even then you need a shit ton of it for all the engineers and whatnot. You can also just make RISC-V CPUs, or AMR CPUs. The problem is that they don't directly support x86 programs. Their instructionsets are different. They use a different basic language for the CPU if that makes it easier to understand. Every program needs to be compiled for these with fingers crossed that you won't have to make massive changes. But even just looking at x86 we had problems for AMD Ryzen which for some programs took years to fix because of some differences like the infinity fabric. It's not just money. It's a lot of many weird things. And the problem is that x86 is a very old (and shitty imo) architecture, that is owned by one company, that theoretically can be forced to license it to others, but the cost of entry is just way too high. If it was a open source architecture like RISC-V that this would make things easier for competitors to arise. Which also makes me wonder why apple didn't go this route.

[@assistmachine8059]

Original title in case it got changed: Why are there only two CPU companies?

[@nevoyu]

They do seem to be renaming video titles pretty often these days.

[@TitanTubs]

Just seeing what works best with YT analytics

[@uyghur-zv4fe]

you can also see the original title if you have notifications on

[@AbhishekBM]

Why would it get changed?

[@zimbu_]

Please fix your stuff KZbin. Nobody wants the title change meta, the only reason it exists is because your algorithm wants it to exist.

[@utubekullanicisi]

Lol at the subtitles dubbing “non-x86” as “NaN x86” at 3:42

[@anmol9886]

So what's funny?...mistakes are everywhere

[@utubekullanicisi]

@@anmol9886 Still funny to me.

[@ArsenicShooter]

*Arm joined the chat*

[@marcus_w0]

To this day I was convinced, it's pronounced "Ci-Rix", like the Y in Cyprus is an "I" - Was I wrong my whole life?

[@The-Nil-By-Mouth]

No, just some people are too lazy to find the correct pronunciation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5LPo5JnfN1paLM

[@demogorgonzola]

We should retaliate by pronouncing Intel as "EYEN-tel" (as in Einstein) the same manner as Hank Marvin used to pronounce Jean Michel Jarre as "Gin Mitchel Jar... Eh" because Jarre himself pronounced Hank as "Onk" :)

[@CyberDragon10K]

This reminds me of how I say the company Asus' name as Ay-suss (A + Suss, as in sustainable) instead of Linus' Ay-Soos. What Linus says sounds odd to me.

[@HarmonyEdge]

That "Seericks" pronunciation made me question my tech trivia knowledge base for a moment... 😅 Incidentally, in my neck of the woods Asus is usually pronounced "Ah-Soos" due to language convention... 😅

[@RaneBoDasch]

I think it just depends on your region/country. Heard a guy the other day pronounce Linux with a long "I" sound like Linus except with an "X"

[@Nephthys575]

KZbin: this video has 13 comments!! Me: can I see them? KZbin: No.

[@templeofthemonkeygod9047]

@@applesilicon6863 algorithm so drunk that it's influencing KZbin's code

[@sravankrishna237]

@@applesilicon6863 yeet

[@dr.velious5411]

On mobile it can mismatch comments with the wrong videos, it's pretty weird for a few minutes while you try to figure what the heck people are talking about.

[@bassanup]

once upon a time, it was Intel and AMD Now it's just AMD and Intel

[@tilburg8683]

Neither are really competitive over here intel is really expensive and amd is like 50% more expensive than intel. But I got some good deal on the used market so thats a win win, I basically got a new 6 core cpu and neither AMD or intel got money.

[@TheCallMeCrazy]

Cyrix is actually still around, sort of - it was acquired by VIA, who still make X86 CPUs today. You don't hear about them because their focus is on cheap CPUs with low power consumption. They did, however, partner with a chinese government entity to create CPUs that are in the ballpark of the early Core i-series in performance.

[@bassanup]

@@TheCallMeCrazy good to know that. my first one was an IBM Cyrix back in '95

[@electrogestapo]

Back in the socket 7 era AMD, Intel and Cyrix used to be friends and lived happily together, then came Slot 1/A and the rest is history.

[@bestrazer]

The "How did this happen?" in the beginning remembered me of bill wurtz's "history of the entire world, i guess".

[@TechTubeTVOfficial]

I remember AMD struggling for years to compete with Intel. Now AMD processors are so powerful! I remember Cyrix too.. that was a long time ago since I heard or read that name.

[@robertbilka1542]

The reason for duo-triopoly is very simple and mathematically understandable: Because we allowed to destroy competition on markets and slow down (or completly stop) any new third party development process/company, due to introduction of patents/licenses.

[@pagefault404]

Daaaaaamn! Riley coming in with that Linus level segue into the sponsor! Well done, my man.

[@LenaMilize]

I hope there's more CPU companies in the future.

[@blairhoughton7918]

There already are. Everyone's phones have CPUs. Almost all of them Arm cores in Qualcomm SoCs fabbed by TSMC, but, hey, it's at least one...

[@19rcv20]

You guys should do a video on the other processors that made personal computers popular. Like the Zilog z80, MOS Technology 6502, Motorola 68000 and even ARM itself. Intel wasn't the only CPU manufacturer in the market back in the 70s and 80s.

[@superduper6090]

You should check out the channel LowSpecGaming, covers all of the processors you mentioned(including ARM) other than the Motorola 68000

[@elliottgash3341]

no one: the set: casually has 3k worth of cpus lying around

[@Clangdon0148]

Are those 2 cpus really worth that much?

[@_rileyweaver_637]

@@Clangdon0148 Yeah, 10900k about $600, plus a threadripper, which depending on the model could go anywhere from $1400 to $4000

[@Clangdon0148]

@@_rileyweaver_637 ah ok, I couldn’t tell what the Ryzen cpu was

[@tatrat3fanboi426]

3:54 I see a Red vs Blue reference, I get happy.

[@certs743]

Just a quick side note. The Apple PPC G5 was the first 64bit consumer Desktop. And they ditched PowerPC mostly because IBM failed to deliver on a mobile version. We are seeing more ARM based systems though which should be interesting. When PowerPC was still a thing it actually forced Intel and AMD to innovate so hopefully that will start happening again.

[@GSBarlev]

Hello from the future! You were spot on! The high performance-per-Watt threat from Apple, Nvidia (Ampere), Broadcomm and others has forced AMD to innovate the most powerful and efficient chips we've ever seen, especially in the mobile and server spaces! And with RISC-V getting a ton of attention lately, it's looking like the processor landscape is shaping up to be more diverse than it's been since the 1980s!

[@inolover5925]

Its red vs blue vs black u forgot ARM cpu company very famous than these 2 combined which is used by apple for iphones mac mini ,mac pro,samsung .mediateck,qualcolm etc.Its also the first in japanese supercomputer Fujitsu with 52 cores and 152 nodes

[@inolover5925]

ur forgetting3rd and only CPU company Arm which is used by apple for iphones mac mini ,mac pro,samsung .mediateck,qualcolm etc.Its also the first in japanese supercomputer Fujitsu with 52 cores and 152 nodes.also snapdragon x elite with 12 cores is powering this chip which has defeated m2 pro in benchmarks and some intel i7-12 and amd ryzen 7 5th gen cpus

[@williamtael8379]

So, basically... Intelectual "Propriety" protected by the State. That's why.

[@jimmyrichards5595]

The State. That thing is an old, archaic, barbarous relic. Ancient, outdated, and obsolete! Unlike like the Gold that I hold. 😀

[@patroclusdaramis]

According to KZbin (and its automatic subtitles system), this video is in Korean.

[@oliverstrubbe]

Holy cow thanks for pointing this out

[@macca3980]

yea that is so funny

[@ZipplyZane]

At least they're doing auto captions again. I thought they were giving up on that, as most videos I've been watching lately don't have them, even if they have no other captions. Here I was thinking that Pornhub vs. blind people suit would result in sites having to be more accessible, note lss.

[@ZipplyZane]

@@nobody7817 Not at the time when this video was released. It was only Korean.

[@heroninja1125]

At least it isn't another video with Vietnamese auto captions.

[@louiefriesen]

Is it just me or does the background look very Team Green lol

[@demigodgamez]

I would love to see the two companies fight it out in a game of TF2. You already know why.

[@Romir0s]

If you're industrial or military, you can get yourself a very expensive and very secure CPU from a smaller company. Some of them can emulate x86 and be used in workstations, it's just a matter of cost.

[@Toronto_downtown]

Back in the day we pronounced it Ceye - Rix

[@SplitScreamOFFICIAL]

Ask about VR headsets for next tech quickie

[@TheWuffball]

3:54 "Hey." "Yeah?" "You ever wonder why we're here?"

[@tassadar7945]

That's one of life's great mysteries

[@anarsosoroo2891]

Ha!

[@Hallettjs7957]

I was hoping you would actually discuss some of the "actual manufacturers" and Fabs and how they are "rebranded" as another manufacturer.

[@jfmezei]

Couple nitpicks: Intel didn't license its instruction set out of the goodness of its heart. There were many legal fights (Including Compaq fighting on the BIO that it reverse engineered. Antitrust ended up FORCING iNtel to license the x86 to AMD. There were others later, such as NCR which did some 286s for handhelds such as PSION Series 3. With regards to 64 bits, it is a bit more complicated. Digital unveiled ist 64 biut Alpha. Others scrambled to go 64 bits. Intel, seeing the end of the line with Pentium III partenered with HP whose PA-Risc was also seend to be end of the line to develop a new 64 bit chip called Itanium which was EPIC (expecting compiler to do all the ptimizatiosn so chip would be simpler). For Intel, it was key because it could then move "Industry standard" to IA64 which it wouldn't have to license to anyone. IA64 was not only a flop, but AMD responded by making the 8086 64 bits. While HP publicly maintained Itanium was a great success, internally, it was no longer an Intel project, it was a project HP was paying Intel to keep alive. Intel inherited the Alpha IP and was able to develop new memory controller CSI (ended called Quickpath) which was meant to get to Itanium first, biut in the end, reached Nehalem on x86 first due to HP stretching the Itanium development as long as it could. So in the end, all the fancy memory tech ended up on x86 for Intel well before Itanic which never stood a chance. When Intel got the IP for Alpha, had it abandonned its ill fated IA64 and adopted Alpha, the scenery might have been quite different today. Another nitpick: Apple didn't go Intel because it was better. PowerPC outperformed the 8086s of the day. Only problem is that IBM wasn't interested in making laptop chips since it focused ist Power arrchitecture on larger machines with high horsepower, and Motorola was on its way out. With growth i sale for laptops, not having good laptop chips for Power meant Apple couldn't compete in laptop. But the PowerpC for desktops still outperformed the x86. As a side note: When Apple bought PA Semi to make its own chips: it bought a group of Alpha engineers who refused to be transfered to Intel and created their own firm. (Digital, then Compaq and finally HP transfered Alpha designers to Intel as part of agreements (which includied giving Intel access to all the Alpha IP).

[@דיפי]

Apple: *"there is another"*

[@usuckmf3488]

I think apple also uses Intel CPU‘s... Correct me

[@דיפי]

@@usuckmf3488 They also develop their own M chips

[@deadlypyre]

@@דיפי That's not desktop yet

[@mastenn]

@@deadlypyre with the mac mini yes

[@deadlypyre]

@@mastenn those aren't ment to be actual desktops bruh

[@josuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu1780]

Better question would be why are gpus very expensive? like come on $500 would get you the best 6years ago

[@Demmrir]

Oh, you can thank markets and Bitcoin for that. Bitcoin created the first overwhelming demand for GPUs which, paired with ebay, showed sellers how much they could charge for GPUs while still moving units. Why keep selling top tier units when you can price the 2080 Ti at $1200 and still sell tons with a higher margin and greater profits? So you can thank cryptocurrencies and gamers who will pay out the ass for hardware from scalpers for the endlessly inflating GPU prices.

[@olsonbryce777]

Was just wondering this. Bought a $200 laptop today that runs like garbage but for $400 I could have gotten top of the line back in 2010.

[@dSCHUMI1004]

@@olsonbryce777 Top of the line for 400$ laptop? That’s bullshit, even in 2010.

[@thiagolucas893]

@@Demmrir Ethereum created the demands for GPUs. Bitcoin was mined in CPUs first, then ASICs

[@CarthagoMike]

There is still Elbrus. Yes, it is shitty, always a few years behind, and you cannot even cool it with a liquid vodka cooler, but hey, technically it is a cpu company.

[@ayan1875]

@@TheLoy71 and he is not American.

[@garymartin9777]

As someone who worked for an Intel competitor in the early 1980's I can say from experience that it takes more than a spiffy chip to succeed in the general purpose MPU market. The support that potential customers looked for was staggering -- availability of engineering samples, development systems, a selection of operating systems and application software manufacturer's technical support and so on. But THE most important criteria in selection of an MPU chip was did the customer believe the manufacturer could deliver working chips in the needed quantities at the target price when they went to production. This was the driving motivation of IBM in selecting the 8088. IBM engineers were not thrilled with the 8088 for several reasons but IBM decision makers believed Intel could produce the 8088 in the required numbers as promised and offered an upgrade path to the 8086 which was introduced in 1982 with the AT. Once IBM, at that time the most respected name in computers, blessed the Intel offering and a huge third party effort to produce software and hardware add-ons emerged it was pretty much game over for competitors as no other general purpose market was nearly as big as P.Cs. Some companies did well in the workstation market but the volume was much lower and hence even those were doomed. Even the Motorola 68k family, which was clearly architecturally superior to the x86, fizzled out by the 1990s and was discontinued. Some of the competitors morphed their offerings into special purpose mpus for high-volume but low glamour roles like copiers and faxes but the large volume P.C. market was owned by Intel.

[@rockrida317]

Who's watching this after the release of the Qualcomm X Elite?

[@SwagcatOG]

Alternative title: The pals that hate each other

[@AlexeiDimitri]

"Why there is only two." "Because they bought other companies and/or underpriced their products. And sometimes did a better product." That's the right answer. The same answer for "why Oracle is so big and famous in Database market, as MS SQL Server?"

[@CreeperPookie]

bought*, That's*, missed a quote before "That's*"

[@AlexeiDimitri]

@@CreeperPookie Thanks, Mr Spell Checker

[@CreeperPookie]

@@AlexeiDimitri No problem.

[@biennium992]

In Intel’s case, there were arguably illegal contracts with customers. Like how Microsoft made it expensive for large PC companies to preinstall operating systems other than Windows, Intel made it expensive for large PC companies to offer PCs with CPUs other than Intel.

[@zhongxina2614]

Lmao there are 100+ CPU companies, it's just that their CPU's are no where as good as the ones from AMD or Intel

[@DUCKDUDE4100]

Short answer is because anti-monopoly laws aren't remotely effective and most politicians too weak or corrupt to dare break up the monopolies.

[@blairhoughton7918]

"two" != "mono"

[@adeebighani8807]

Has anyone noticed that the three “teams” in the tech world (nvidia, intel and amd) are RGB?

[@exhyuga5390]

Not only that nitendo, Xbox and PlayStation are RGB tho

[@VipreNZ]

AMD is green. RTG is Red.

[@somabiswas2629]

Holy music stops

[@TechGamer-pq1gu]

you forgot to mention that Intel created their non-backward compatible 64bit processors and launched it 1 year earlier than AMD but tanked and never got widespread support.

[@breakfast7595]

Thank God

[@confusioned2249]

TL;DR: It's expensive and hard to become a cpu company like really expensive and hard

[@Frizzy9000]

For sure. I studied ECET in college and my professors summed up how hard any electronic chip fabrication was. Something along the lines of, “The first chip cost 2 million dollars, the rest are $1 each”.

[@Aereto]

@@Frizzy9000 Nanoscale transistors and fabrication.

[@TraumaER]

Surprised Amazon hasn't tried to get involved. They seem to like destroying every other industry.

[@confusioned2249]

@@TraumaER yeah, except the phone industry especially the phone industry

[@AgentSmith911]

This is why we need ARM and RISC 😁👍🏻

[@Sick1982]

ARM is RISC ...

[@Lumpia_In_Texas]

ARM = Nvidia

[@TakZ000]

Both Intel and AMD cpus are internally RISC. Even Ryzen have a separate ARM cpu for its Platform Security Processor.

[@ItsCOMMANDer_]

​@@TakZ000modern x86 cpus are CISC tho

[@lio_9878]

this only covers *86 chips where there are only two companies AMD and Intel. what about the ARM architecture? we have M1 chips by apple(although they just design not manufacture), TSMC, Qualcomm, etc...ARM is actually becoming more powerful that *86. although NVIDIA is def cooking something, even though its not a CPU

[@ItsCOMMANDer_]

TSMC does not makespecificly ARM chips, they produce chip in general, like for Apple, AMD and iirc nvidia

[@koningwillem1231]

apple watching this: :/

[@ramyRHM]

Apple makes chips only for themselves They have complete control over hardware and software Plus a mid range CPU from AMD is better than an M3 chip

[@TheXlen]

This doesn't cover even 5% of it Long story short, intel made sure that there's no competition in mid 00's by selling their CPUs at a big loss to the big companies, which lead to even AMD and VIA to get pushed out of the market almost completely, AMD has finally recovered and VIA/Zhaoxin is getting close enough to intel to compete again

[@AlenHR]

yea, this is like buzz feed for tech enthusiasts, lol

[@owainkanaway8345]

There are only companies making X86 cpus because of patents. It's practically illegal for any company to make X86 cpus because they would be violating a Intel or AMD patent. Same thing with ARM, PowerPCS, Snapdragon CPUs etc. They are all monopolies.

[@TheXlen]

@@owainkanaway8345 well yeah, patents limit use of x86, but well somebody could use x86 without breaching patents as older patents have expired, x86-64 on the other hand is harder to do as those patents won't expire for pretty long time

[@hijacked6663]

I feel bad for linus, he has to keep reading these bot comments

[@bsigns1935]

is this bot comment too?

[@patrickweaver1105]

It's cute that you think Linus doesn't have people to do that for him.

[@patrickweaver1105]

@Yitzy He wouldn't have time to do anything else. So I don't take that literally.

[@Ebani]

@@patrickweaver1105 Ppl believe the dumbest of things...

[@hijacked6663]

@@bsigns1935 nah b

[@Thunderwolf1989]

Technically, VIA also still exists in the x86 space.

[@theoldone22]

Yes they do, unfortunately "Technically they still exists" is about all you can say about them now with there last CPU coming out in 2011 and being low performance and higher TPD than Atoms of the time and the new one they were working on late in 2019 for release in late 2020 suffering from the cures that was 2020

[@kornkernel2232]

Yeah remember them on early 2000 on some laptops, usually cheaper than Intel counterparts. Even back then, Intel's price are higher than the competition. But now they are practically gone on PC consumer space. They probably still make chips on appliances, small devices especially IoT. But not anymore on general purpose computing, or at least not most PC's.

[@WrathofGod555]

I had an EMachines with a Cyrix. It was terrible. Moving to an AMD K6-2 blew me away.

[@Ak353-d7u]

ever heared about arm, tsmc , Qualcomm, Apple, tensor,mediatek

[@Conundrum191]

Apple: Am I a joke to you? Most People: Yes.

[@Aereto]

Very yes. IBM: All the yes.

[@rocketpencil5948]

Definitely yes

[@hilal_younus]

Apple never Gave their CPU’s to anyone , If they did , most flagships would’ve been using their A-series chips rather than Snapdragon

[@cybercery5271]

Doesn't apple have the single most powerful CPU that you can put in a phone

[@rocketpencil5948]

@@cybercery5271 Kinda. Qualcomm is a little bit better now with the s21

[@wh1plash7]

I also thought about that , maybe there is more but the other ones arent as good

[@Supersyy]

3:15 “made in Malaysia “ heavy breathing

[@Zacky15ify]

Bro, calm down If not, they gonna think we're crazy just because our country's name is on it XD

[@ranjanbiswas3233]

Yo you noticed it just now? Made in Malaysia/Made in Costa Rica cpus are known to be trustable.

[@Zacky15ify]

@TwinTurbo Ray well gee, look who's on the higher food chain. "You people costs nothing per hour" what about china? Most company went there for cheap labor too. Same goes for other SEA countries. At least people have a job. A job where they can feed their family so if you've been living without worrying about your money being spent, you better be thankful for that, not act high and mighty and look down on other people

[@TheSirValentine]

Ouw Riley... Lyk nogal of hy n duidelike bra ka wies nuh.. salute!

[@chillappreciator885]

Software developers before first computer: hmm let's write a program on a piece of paper

[@jayaniceday3602]

Surprised you did a history of CPU manufacturers and didn't mention Motorola.

[@MaddTheSane]

This was only a history of x86 CPUs.

[@jayaniceday3602]

@@MaddTheSane This would only be the case if the title did not say "Why are there only TWO CPU companies" which means Intel AND AMD. And since they are talking about why there are no other CPU companies, it stands to reason that they mention the other major CPU manufacturer of the 80's and 90's (exclusive OEM to Apple) that didn't make it since that is what the whole video topic is about.

[@bohdankladochnyi3995]

You forget the Russian one - Elbrus-8S.

[@danieljensen2626]

Together AMD and Intel have like 99.9% of the market share. Other companies exist but they aren't relevant and you won't find their parts at Microcenter or Best Buy.

[@Kamel419]

integers: whole numbers with no decimal, floating points: numbers with decimal point. is simple, should have just said that :P

[@Aereto]

@Lycan And the emphasis of maintaining a consistent data type and never intermingle floats unless you really want those imprecisions. Cyrix didn't expect simulations and their critical need of floats.

[@terriblegamer8072]

I swear I've heard a desktop cpu manufacturer called VIA in 2000s but it doesn't seemed to last long and disappear not long after I've heard about it.

[@haulingheartache2380]

There was a video calked, "can this old $10 chip teally edit video" it was reguarding a chio made by neither AMD or Intel, but was made spacificalky for editing video, back in the day, used by Hollywood, and $1000 when new. The video was made to disapear real fast. Does anyone know what chip it was?

[@aaron41]

Why are there only 2 political parties (in the USA)?

[@ryanhamstra49]

Because having too many is how you get Hitler to win with only 30% of the vote. Too many options means that good options can get lost in the mess. That’s how trump became the republican nominee in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Both parties has way better options and both nominees weren’t super popular in the early primaries.

[@nehylen5738]

@@ryanhamstra49 Do you seriously believe that? I mean, the whole of Europe has multiple parties, and that has nothing to do with totalitarian regimes. And who is Trump representing? There's quite a bunch of old school Republicans who can't bear with his ways, and for good reasons. The system in the US is no better than its counterparts in this aspect.

[@ryanhamstra49]

@@nehylen5738 a vast majority of the people who voted for trump didn’t really like him, but when the opposing party spends years attacking everything you stand for you are willing to vote for him instead of someone who straight up says they wanna take away your rights and shut you down just because they disagree with you, even if he says stupid stuff and is a bad person.

[@Clangdon0148]

@@ryanhamstra49 I feel like either way the minority wins over the majority

[@ryanhamstra49]

@@nehylen5738 I knew plenty of people who didn’t like Hillary but voted for her because they were afraid of what trump would do. And I’m not saying that the 2 party system is a good option, because it’s obviously not working out too well. I am saying that having too many political parties can easily cause an extremist to win with a very small percentage of the vote because the 3 other good options split the vote 3 ways.

[@Helladamnleet]

Seems like Intel and AMD have the same kind of professional relationship Pepsi and Coke have. They're "rivals" but also know without the other there's no fun competition driving each other's prices up

[@katokianimation]

Its not about fun. If there is only one giant everybody wants to be the next giant or the giant killer.

[@Daddy-dh4lf]

3:57 ah Linus taught him well.

[@deleted-something]

At least there’s only 2 standards and not 17

[@Fiery25123]

Do a video on why we don't see horizontal PCs anymore! I love those!

[@gorgit]

Because it takes less space on the floor or desk? Or what answer are you anticipating?

[@vedaryan334]

I like how apple doesn't have to sell its cpus to make a profit even though they are so good .

[@Clangdon0148]

To be fair they probably couldn’t sell them because of the Soc type construction making them basically the entire motherboard

[@watema3381]

This ^^

[@randommcranderson5155]

Apple makes more profit by not paying someone else to design their cpus, and takes a part of the cut they would normally have paid intel. Apple isn't a fab company to sell CPUs. It's a basic misunderstanding of what's going on. Apple isn't competing in CPU space for sales, they're just moving to distinguish their products and keep a bigger cut of the supply chain themselves.

[@ralph90009]

@@randommcranderson5155 Also, moving away from the x86 instruction set effectively kills off the Hackintosh market, which is something that Apple has been actively pursuing ever since they switched to Intel from PowerPC.

[@qupeter1224]

@@randommcranderson5155 looking at the design of m1, the benefit of apple making their own cpu is beyond just hardware and software optimization, m1 definitely doesn’t care about the cost of the cpu considering it have double the amount of instruction and huge modern reorder buffers in order to significantly increase the instruction per cycle. considering m1 3.2 ghz is almost as fast as zen 3 4.5 ghz and skylake at around 5.6 ghz.

[@davidagiel8130]

Because that’s how “they” operate. There is always a Pepsi to someone’s Coke.

[@AndreasSippus]

Riley looks like the kind of guy who was left hanging by a tinder date and just came directly to work without sleeping in between

[@GamePlays_1230]

The main problem Is x86 modality no other architecture is so modular But even if we did , we would have no OS or application to run on it , this means that as applications are built they will be built for a single purpose it wouldn't get hold in to very well mesning it would stay inside the dedicated purposes market

[@Flashback_Jack]

Remember Cyrix chips? They knew of DLC before Steam did. I started out with a 486DLC, man!