Why Aren’t Americans Good At CS?

[@launders]

BOXR tees in stock permanently!! store.boxr.gg

[@sl1ckLEVI]

Can we get permanent sweat pants? Ill buy the first 5 pairs.

[@dayne6475]

lau ur so hot n sexy

[@ILOSBinc]

I need them club shirts back I missed that drop ;(

[@janbr1767]

Are You gonna do demo reviews again?🤔

[@ccliviolin]

waiting for new hoodies

[@deusnightfire]

I love team complexity a lot. I like how they play and honestly it feels like a close game each time they play against the big leagues. I want to see them do really really well.

[@Bezmenov93]

Hallzerk is super entertaining to watch

[@Carlos-do2vh]

they eliminated imperial, I don't like the. cuz of it, but I respect them cuz they play well

[@Anysmoke]

Same I want to see grim do well too after the whole Liquid thing

[@Francisco-dl1nb]

Their game against Imperial on the Rio RMR was incredible and rly made them a team I look forward to watch when they are up against good opponents.

[@lunchtreyy]

Funny because I just hate complexity, wonder why

[@larry2281]

NA scene is in the way it’s at right now because of Covid and ESL. But even prior to that, NA cs had a lot of problems. Players in the scene always cared about egos and reputations over winning. It’s been going around forever and also brought up a lot. You see the same problems in NA Valorant. It’s just the NA mindset.

[@josh.c36]

Agreed. Unprofessional

[@flyy1006]

EU CULTURE NON-AMERICAN CULTURE LULW EU CULTURE NON-AMERICAN CULTURE LULW EU CULTURE NON-AMERICAN CULTURE LULW EU CULTURE NON-AMERICAN CULTURE LULW

[@trollface9903]

NA had the best teams in the world in 2019, in Liquid and EG. It's inexplicable how covid killed that.

[@ballertheking1038]

@@trollface9903 Lack of NA leagues doesn't help but a lack of homegrown NA talent is the real issue.

[@larry2281]

@@trollface9903 Covid hurt the na scene more than anything else. Took away all tournaments and events in NA and created an eu bubble. Only way for our players to get practice and experience is by being in EU 24/7. But I do agree with what you said about liquid and EG in 2019.

[@bradleyfirby648]

Love when lau is talking about oSee not taking impact while in the video it's just him looking all shy and quiet while YEKINDAR is just physically alpha-ing with the arm out and everything lol

[@its_nhoj]

Shoutout the production for these videos. The editing is amazing as always

[@danielryan4488]

Watched Liquid get 2-0d by Rare Atom today, yikes. I think they lost 16-3 on their own map pick (Overpass). NAF is usually Mr. Reliable but had some trouble, Elige just seems like he doesn't frag like he used to, Yekindar the longer he has been on the team the more his stats seem to decline lately, Osee was just nowhere to be found on map 2, and Nitro had the typical "IGL stats". Inferno vs Liquid seems to be just a free win, no matter who they play.

[@Gwazi]

That’s true, but let’s give some credit to Rare Atom. They seem mechanically insane. They are very good mechanical players

[@VIK_1903]

Nitro is dead weight.

[@fluffyandpuffy]

​@@georgejpg hooxi

[@DinkyWaffle]

@@georgejpg nitr0 isn’t the issue

[@anne-fx8ev]

Update: liquid survives

[@iurifrazao454]

The way this fast paced "zoomer ADHD" edition did such a good job presenting this type of analitycal content is pretty nuts ngl.

[@HotBeeFF21]

editor on fire with that Yekindar to Elige spilt. Good vid. Liquid the hope of NA.

[@Khanh1321]

Love this style of video. Everything said is facts and would love more like this!

[@launders]

sub for more unnecessarily hateful content 🔥🔥

[@robineuvonen224]

Such a nice flow for the video with nice editing supporting the commentary. Good work!

[@TheQwin10]

I feel like this video is missing a deeper exploration of what Yekindar talked about just recently in EPL S17 where the bootcamp was essentially worthless for them coming into the event. They started cold, lost to Rare Atom, and then found their form and crashed their way into playoffs. I'd love to hear you dissect what factors might make it inherently more difficult for NA orgs to be competitive, and maybe what can be done to improve that situation.

[@Benkofearth]

insightful commentary as always

[@haasii]

Liquid didn't do so well today! hopefully they can recover

[@lburger404]

Those were tough games to watch... 2-0 :(

[@ballertheking1038]

liquid is allowed to have 1 bad event. hopefully it isn't the major.

[@poopfartlord9695]

​@@ballertheking1038 1 bad event? It's been a while since they've had a single good event.

[@NoneNotNone]

@@poopfartlord9695 They have been semi-finals - finals at every single big event for the past 8 months except the major lmfao. Bot.

[@rivailez96]

One thing I dont agree is about osee not performing because of the agressive riflers because jame is way more passive than osee and it worked, maybe its about the teams structure idk, thats just how I see it. Nice video

[@Revvylo]

It's hard to tell but Jame actually has really good entry stats. It's more in the mid and late round where he plays more safe.

[@cimanimrolls]

@@WestlyFPS where are you getting that from?

[@cczeroX]

I don't even care that much about NA CS but the video editing was sublime and I was enjoying watching the video for that alone. Content-wise, also great.

[@getsomerest9053]

wild timing

[@ssjgold]

More Canadian players! Any Naffers in chat?

[@K_End]

You know how I feel about Naf

[@volkar8422]

@@K_Endi know how you feel about naf user ss1pd4ob9z

[@driver694]

Perfect Timing after liquid got clapped by Rare Atom

[@Mad1Lee]

Launders, you gotta pay extra to your editor, he is doing a banger job here!

[@launders]

thanks to AceZone i am x)

[@lunatik383]

This is a wild take that PROBABLY doesn't make sense, but I don't think Osee, Floppy, or NA CS will truly unlock itself until those two are on a team together again. They both unlock eachother, need em on the same squad

[@singular9]

LSD level editing is back baby!

[@veygoNK]

found the timing of this video to be released funny with liquid going 0-2 against rare atom hours before. lol

[@maxtuledo5688]

Saw your thumbnail and immediately thought about tacos idk why I guess I'm hungry

[@jacoblee5209]

this video format is more shareable

[@TheRealCatof]

Lol, I used to be a stand-in for EG back in the Starcraft 2 days. 2012 WCS was wild.

[@BBROPHOTO]

‘all these guys could fit in your pocket’ 💀💀

[@saberterminal871]

did he just say blameF was getting 40k a month ??? god damn i didnt realize CS tier 1 salaries were that high. No wonder the players are always dripped out in Moncler all the time on their IGs lmao

[@earthwolker1627]

bro the backdrop got me tripping like im on shrooms

[@mariorobe4805]

Simple answer - Culture. Ask yourself why there are so many successful Danish players? Well Denmark and Europe in general has built a culture around CS which holds a very high standard so when young players want to go pro they have a very good example of where they need to be to actually go pro which means they are faced with reality very early on and know the amount of work they need to put in to make it. Not to mention the countless Academy teams around Europe helping shape up young players and get them ready for the big stages. NA just doesn't seem to have the same serious approach to the game like Europe does with exceptions of course.

[@etry]

the timing couldn't be worse rn😭😭😭 shout out to mah dawg moseyuh

[@emircs2442]

i personally watch and read tweets of NA valorant players and thay are really really ready to switch back to cs again, after source 2 released. I think the biggest reason why NA is not good at cs is that a lot of players switched to Valorant, so there are really really less cs players right now. I mean how are they good at cs when there is no one (who can play competitive) to play? Yes there are people playing cs but, come on, not enough

[@ambivalence3741]

tough timing regarding Liquid on this one lol

[@Malignantt1]

Its because people only want to re-sign the same people every year bc theyre too afraid of taking a risk on new talent. NA is hypercapitalist so they minimize risk by gatekeeping

[@cr3amy479]

Some Guy from C9 tweeted this ”Pros also have to work on their Social numbers, personal brand, and content creation.” This is there pain problem

[@MitoseNorikoFan]

I thought this was going to be a bad or unlucky for the entire Liquid team after today's game vs Rare Atom

[@ceoherohub2584]

bad and outplayed

[@keg7991]

One word: fluoride.

[@ExeWay]

Quality content as always

[@apeologists]

Every Asian American CS player in shambles after the last two launders videos

[@-sorta]

No country's players are better than another at any esport from what Ive seen. It's always a story of what's more popular. For example, league of legends is extremely mainstream in Korea, and because of that, Korea is easily the best region in league. Denmark, easily the best decorated country in counterstrike, has a strong culture around counter strike. NA players aren't bad, there just isn't enough to compete with EU.

[@MagnusTheCrimsonKing]

1:00 you mean Jame, He'll save us all.

[@BatteryAz1z]

loving the jum pc uts

[@allangreene15ag]

well said, Lau

[@dj-rocketman8545]

The NA scene is small. I work at valve and most csgo players are from EU.

[@sonnyyu386]

I'm still bitter about the fact that yekindar should of been in Navi, then theu'd get all the firepower they need

[@DrT741]

Great vid Lau. Any chance we get another demo review soon? I'm having withdrawals

[@graysonwood7559]

banger as always

[@davidchen4592]

Can you make a video about cs mastery. I think it would be a lot of work but I would love to hear you talk about every skill that players can improve on. Ex. Categories like cross hair placement, movement etc

[@nickh.27]

Complexity gets the shit end of the stick and is still able to hold up against strong teams.

[@bezwr]

dw lau gimmie 2 yrs bb ima bless us all❤

[@gimmegimmechicken]

Lack of practice is probably the biggest factor. NA had ZERO top 20 players in 2022 (1 if you count Twistzz) I imagine how tough it could be to compete against the best players and systems in the world with no reference point besides demos. Another aspect is clearly financial, there is a lack of support in NA for anyone who doesn't play for Liquid/EG/coL, it's very hard to dedicate yourself to something this strenuous with no financial compensation or stability. Individually, a lot of NA players are selfish, play for stats, are racist etc, that makes it difficult to create teams in general, especially teams with dedicated, talented players who want to win at all cost

[@FlashedDom]

It's definitley not a skill issue. As someone who plays both NA and EU. Largest issue with NA definitley falls under an issue with the community. Whether that be communication issue, toxicity, or cheating. Truth is computer gaming / counterstrike just isnt that popular in America. EU i've easily pushed to LEM-Global and have fluctated between those ranks. NA MG and up is painful. Theres not as much players meaning you either just play cheaters or people that are throwing because toxicisty. My experience in NA CS is say one wrong thing or have one bad play either vote kick or tked or shit talk and no comms. EU theres such a large playerbase where the same issues are still present but less common due to population.

[@randomuruk7230]

Lol what a load of nonsense. NA match making is an absolute joke.

[@thog5962]

I Love Coach lau!

[@Diabeto21]

I was smoking that EG copium until they kicked Cerq. Cerq was not the best but he is the "Baby Face Killa". They brought on Wiz and this guy drops 4 ADR games. (💀Insert Dead Emoji💀) I just can't do it anymore EG. I'm dropping EG as my team and I will now be supporting................. whatever team Cerq gets picked up by. So I won't be watching CS for a very long time. HE SO FINE

[@hungotuan4431]

Anyone here who watch football (soccer) can compare EG immediately to PSG, a VERY RICH club operating in 🇫🇷. PSG has been notorious for throwing money around for star players and coaches, and yet not being able to actually be competitive in the Champions League (biggest club competition in Europe) despite their profile and high pay roll. EG is suffering the same fate

[@kebabtvrtkic4299]

Are you gonna go all in on oSee same way that Moses did on Koosta? PEPPERIDGE FARMS REMEMBERS.

[@__Nicholas__]

I think the floor is higher in NA but the ceiling is higher in EU

[@rahatzaman8120]

Is this man that indian CS player who was in that team with forsaken ?

[@fenrirx481]

I read somewhere on Twitter that most NA teams should be disbanded and should be replaced by those EU rosters without any orgs ( Copenhagen flames, BNE etc)

[@minibeech03]

i wish there was an all canadian team, that included twistzz

[@nadesun7075]

watching after liquid got 0 2 💀

[@DurealzForReal]

simple, NA players let their own emotions reflect too much on their gameplay. this leads to stagnant levels of improvement. it's a hypothesis based on anecdotal but VERY accurate evidence

[@aidanwolff3213]

lol or maybe NA plays counterstrike at a much much much lower rate than northers or eastern europe

[@simonsoderstrom5356]

NA cs is a big rip due to the average mentality in americans is that money is the most important thing and not the love to the game. So they are loosing the lower layer of good players to other games or if they get good they choose to stream and earn more money. And the lack of good leaders/igls is just the top of the iceberg. One solution is to import players to build a scene, and im not talking one or two players, talking more like in the NHL and get ALOT of players. Also get all the free agent igl, coaches to build up the lower scene and let them get good deals like get payed per player that get drafted to the major teams.

[@rcadegaming9123]

Video summed up: NA is fun to watch win This makes NA unfun to watch

[@downnnnnn]

Couldn’t have uploaded this at a worst time man. Jam young the goat sadly

[@suzuki-qo4rm]

you should make a vid on uk cs

[@StoneColdClassics]

NA Valorant in comparison seems to be in a pretty good spot, and it’s mostly because of former CS players. NRG is a top 4-5 team in the world, Sentinels have potential and EG/100T seem to be solid teams. It’s amazing that C9/Faze don’t even want NA CS rosters lol. Good video I’m glad we finally have a realistic NA esports channel, I’m sick of Europeans constantly shitting on NA instead of actually talking about the game

[@hao2000ki]

it's in a good spot because the game is still new and most NA players transferred over to valorant while the eu players stayed in cs. wait a few more years for actual talent to grow in the valorant scene and most of these na players are going to lose their place there too

[@thrivinganarchy5267]

@@hao2000ki lol

[@kommisar_chiptune]

It's sad cuz EG was my favorite team back in 2004-2006 but it's not the same vibe anymore obv. I want them to do well but idk there must be a reason for the NA mindset

[@nizumablader]

I think most interest in NA is in other games, valorant, apex, fortnite. I think with cs2 we will see more people become aware of the game and start playing it. I played fortnite and apex for years, never tried cs until a week ago. Just wasn’t on my radar. The game just isn’t as popular as the other titles in North America.

[@randomuruk7230]

CS is literally an American game.

[@nizumablader]

@@randomuruk7230 doesn’t mean it’s arguably more popular in other regions than other shooters in NA

[@fanoose]

this says alot about society

[@watadrinker]

GOOD CONTENT

[@cIownzone]

no hate towards eg and i'm glad party astronauts are getting their checks but i miss watching PA play in tourneys

[@moritzlee706]

Man EG has a 15 man roster in CS! People make fun of them having a 10 man roster in Val...

[@cosmicthrillseeker]

sick intro

[@Riska7]

everyone tries their best till they’re pro all the sacrifices for nothing. once they’re pro they don’t work enough once there ( i know nothing about the cs scene)

[@TurkiskYoghurt]

It has always been EU > NA in any competitive game. Why? Who knows

[@ellahazan-fuchs7249]

It's fitting that Lau was upset going into the video, just like team Liquid was upset by Rare Atom the obvious new no. 1 team in the world

[@tex4533]

It’s because they do their practice in schools and not online

[@cheese41103]

I think something else that plays a role - population disparity when compared to Europe. With the US having less players compared to EU, it means there are less T1 teams to practice against UNLESS they plan to bootcamp in EU - which is also expensive. Why would an org pay for a losing roster to travel to Europe just to get destroyed in every tournament they play? Even if you look at a few T2 EU teams, they would give the US teams like EG, TL, or Complexity a run for their money. It’s tough to say. Any excuse made for NA feels like cope, even for me who is a large NA fanboy. Hopefully more orgs will take a chance on those who may not be in the spotlight, just like Complexity did with the ES boys or EG did with a few of their players too. It’s tough to really find reasons. We will just have to wait and see.

[@infeCtedRonald]

I'm looking forward to ATK's potential rise. Those guys are hungry!

[@denzo3882]

Liquid is the most solid NA team right now.

[@miguelalcorta3558]

Complexity, right now, is the best team in america if they are able to top Liquid. And I think they can right now, the matchup will tell.

[@alvancao7920]

What happened vs Rare Atom today...

[@Nick-ij5nt]

I somewhat disagree about oSee, the biggest issue I see with him is his inconsistency, and maybe like you said that's an issue with his lack of initiative or something but he has to figure something out. I see him hit the craziest flicks you've ever seen where the guy is jump airstrafing at him but then he misses the easiest sitters where the guy slow walks right into his crosshair.

[@m.i.l9724]

the fact that canadians are better players than americans is brutal. no one can deny that.

[@gabrielwildman]

it's actually kind of odd the amount of canadian representation considering there's like no lans in canada and the population is so small. If you live in a small town or rural area in one of the prairie provinces you probably were used to getting like 120-200 ping up until like 5 years ago

[@m.i.l9724]

@@gabrielwildman holy shit!!!

[@ccliviolin]

interz would be a really good fit for EG I'm ngl

[@majorbawb]

[@mariusdreiermller-andersen2042]

can you make a video about why denmark is so good at cs? I can help you with you know how things work here in denmark :D

[@CR0WYT]

It comes down to culture. The East side of the world has basically accepted esports as a part of their culture with prime ministers even showing their support in places like Denmark. NA is decently late to the party. Half the continent doesn't even know what esports is and the other half see it as either a joke or blame it for "ruining" video games.

[@CRoooH]

We have a lot of job hopping in America, so e-Sports is no different. I learned from my years of competitive gaming the best teams were the ones that stuck together the longest because that's a skill of it's own in today's egocentric narcissism world.

[@brendanbutkus2392]

Sipping that NA copium hard came back to cs the last few months after being out of touch with the pro league side of thing for years and man im drowning in the copium, rooting for liquid in paris

[@colin5197]

We really talking bout EG management and gamerdoc🤣 She's a f**king masseuse promoted to an executive role...

[@Gwazi]

EG should pick up Swisher. Swisher is a great player. I’ve been a fan of him for a long time and I’ve been following his progress from way back before he was even on YeaH Gaming. Now he’s on ATK and he is probably the best player in the team. It is an international team too, and he is the only American on it. He is a tier 1 player. He will do great things. He deserves a better team than ATK. I hope he can get on Liquid or another Tier 1 team like that Also I like Jonji. I think he’s on EG White

[@starcellars1873]

Whenever i queue, i get random middle easterns in my team(from india btw)

[@euanmarsden164]

Friendly fire

[@nikolakovak1272]

why aren't you casting on Pro league? :(

[@liquidmilk5323]

I guess this video was recorded before Liquid got destroyed by Rare Atom last night or else I'd say Lau wouldn't have said Liquid are good :)

[@cyasoon6045]

I will say it 5000 more times idc. NA has always had loads of insane and notable talent but never all the right pieces at the right time or positioning to make a team with the same punching power as Fnatic, Astralis or SK respectably for their time periods. In modern CS NA is struggling because of the loss of major players but more notably the orgs are gone to. Every CS org wants to be in Eu which makes it difficult and more expensive for upcoming talent or even old talent to stick around let alone compete or make a name internationally for NA.

[@naoboyz8259]

*actual title "Why Americans aren't good in anything?"

[@dog-tu9tt]

Man i got the Global with a EU VPN and in the US I was hardstuck DMG

[@starcellars1873]

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