Why aren't we talking about Special Economic Zones?

[@LegoLover-ij4gb]

Shocking information. David has done some disturbing, revealing research. Thanks, Crispin, for continuing to educate us with such knowledgeable guests.❤

[@Sulayman.786]

Yes, thank you, this is very important and no one has mentioned this so far. It's basically tendering out the economy to cronies, all taking loans from same group of banks. Instead of a free economy we have 'privatized' mini economies, with the NHS soon to be added. And then people like socialists blame everything on 'capitalism'! We don't live in a capitalist country with a free economy based on real value (capital), we live in a privately owned oligarchy running on imaginary debt notes.

[@Wraithing]

Read Matt Kennard's Silent Coup - excellent reference on what actually goes on SEZs and why they're dangerous.

[@kwakkers68]

Great work also on Corporate courts - part of the same disease

[@djonfonsteen6331]

Its seems like they're building mini Cayman islands right here 😂😂 Just typical of Mogg and the other para sites

[@kwakkers68]

@@djonfonsteen6331 How some of the pertinent personalities manage to get elected is incredible! Who in their right mind would vote for someone as repugnant as Mogg?! I don't think the Establishment would use methods of corruption willy-nilly - more chance of being exposed, but I have often wondered how much more scope there is for corruption, with the Private Sector 'administrating' our Elections! Postal Votes particularly have attracted a lot of controversy. Posts on Social Media pointed to some towns getting more postal votes than there were residents - but I can't say if this was correct... Quite a hard area for mere citizens to investigate/research perhaps

[@lonevoice]

Thanks for the recommendation. Have just ordered it.

[@keithfallinghorse6732]

Carnage in slow motion. Many thanks for this.

[@yabyum108]

This massively important issue is seldom discussed in msm. Great work from @EuropeanPowell.

[@ZhTra]

And it’s so difficult to talk to people about these issues. The NHS England is now pushing Federated Data Platform (Palantir Contract) and people have never heard of it and they think if the mass media is not shouting about it so everything is fine.

[@miladylondonlime]

we really have to do something about media! it's appalling how much they have been complicit in.

[@-jz5mm]

We were shouting about TTIP & ISDS in early 2000s,well done for highlighting this David brilliant on it.

[@kategreen-adarkcarnival6747]

Thanks for this - had no idea. Looks like more tory and now labour corporate shite by stealth. Shared.

[@waltraudboxall760]

The privatisation of public services? Very important contribution. Thank you.

[@TREVORALLMAN]

Privatisation of public services has been going on since the 1980's. Competition in public service provision (privatisation) has been a central part of the EEC/EU right-wing, neo-liberal economic policies which member states had to implement. Obviously, thanks to Brexit, that could be reversed now, if only we can get the chance to elect a government that is committed to reconstructing the UK.

[@kwakkers68]

@@TREVORALLMAN Always good to see someone else flag Europe's ludicrous Competition Regs. This throws into stark relief blinkered, unquestioning support of the Union. Europe might save itself - but it will have to oust Washington's poodles, and break off from the USA to do it.

[@TREVORALLMAN]

@@kwakkers68 Thanks. I do feel it is important to try and get the facts across, as there is so much nonsense spoken, all due to virtual total ignorance of the European Union and its neo-liberal economic agenda.

[@pauleaton3578]

Excellent. I've lived and experienced compulsive Competitive Tendering. Thatcher started it in 1980. She had 2 Acts. One in 80 and then in 88. We on the council employed thousands of people. All that money came back to the local areas. ​@TREVORALLMAN

[@TREVORALLMAN]

@@pauleaton3578 Thanks Paul. I am a former Greenwich Borough Councillor (1986-1990), so only too well of the damage done to local services.

[@mikeharvey9811]

Share this with novara media and all other independents, esp if your MP is independent. Thanks for this. Barb

[@TuneHawk]

Novara are so sloppy and inane these days, they probably wouldn't even recognize the significance or take the appropriate action.

[@silverlinings3946]

I wouldn't be surprised if Novara Media won't touch it, because they are secretly pro-Brexit.

[@cazhatten3341]

The nearly £12 billion is the national insurance surplus. Now you know why they want you to retire later.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

Who gave England permission to give away land in Scotland ?

[@djonfonsteen6331]

That Charlie bloke and a Rothschild

[@l3eatalphal3eatalpha]

Going to have to go to an old favourite here: 'And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. To permit irresponsible authority is to sell disaster.' Once you have used force, you use the weapon of identity to maintain the status quo.

[@ivywild3724]

Who gave England permission to give Palestinian land to Jews? Its what they do.

[@Sky-nf6xe]

Ask Kate Forbes, she signed these off. SNP should answer also.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

@@djonfonsteen6331 not theirs to give.

[@guymathews974]

Fantastically interesting Crispin... Will listen later.. but so grateful you're still bringing these vital reports to our attention. ❤

[@bitsandbobs4082]

TTIP Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partership any one remember that, David's remarks about Honduras made me recall the hints and warnings we were getting on that backroom sitichup. That was being arranged under the auspices of the EU commission full scale open bidding for public services or face private courts, odd to think Trumps dislike of another NAFTA saved the NHS, i better head out of range now😊

[@jillallan8985]

Thank you so much for informing us about this. What do we do about it?

[@kwakkers68]

Getting some actual democracy would be a good place to start.... Perennial problem > overcoming entrenched power

[@djonfonsteen6331]

​@@kwakkers68 unfortunately that cant be done now. We can't vote them out. We cant remove them. We can't fight them. Any move that threatens them, they'll enable terror laws.

[@PeterPotnoodle]

@@kwakkers68 you have democracy, the people are stupid and they vote according to narrow self interest

[@jezstevens]

We’re not going to “get” we’ll have to take it.

[@smj6710]

Thanks Crispin. I totally love this channel. I'd never heard of these SEZ before. Now I have things seem even worse.

[@kwakkers68]

It is quite right that this must be combatted in any and every way possible - not easily done in light of us enjoying bugger all democracy!

[@kwakkers68]

We should all keep in mind, Europe isn't, and has never been, immune to Neo-liberalism, it's own repugnant sets of deeply corrupt politicos. Perhaps best illustrated by Scholz infamous quote - 'elections cannot be allowed to change Economic Policy'. Sound familiar?! What was it May said of Corbyn - 'we won't allow....''

[@kwakkers68]

Thus, I encourage everyone to hold Europe to account, just as we must London. It isn't 'the be all and end all', some democratic heaven. Yes, the various political elites have by and large issued a lesser strain of Neo-liberalism than we have seen in London, or DC ... BUT the pertinent nations have been similarly exposed to Privatisation, attack from U/S corporations etc...

[@kwakkers68]

That said, we have much in common with the peoples across Europe - in our collected suffering under Neo-liberalism, and our political enemies are commonly the same > Corporate Power, corrupt, grossly immoral political agents/agencies, Washington DC and the Corporations this hub of corruption services...

[@georgebodley8068]

Its not foreign investment Britain Needs ,Its Home Grown industries ,British idustries for British Workers ,That way we determine our path and not some foreign Interests .

[@danielc6106]

These aren't just foreign interests. Didn't you listen how many of our own people, politicians and companies are a part of this? Traitors. Disgusting.

[@danielc6106]

These aren't just foreign interests. Didn't you listen how many of our own people, politicians and companies are a part of this? Traitors. Disgusting.

[@astroflyinsights]

Horrific! Matt Kennard has written about this extensively and spoke about it on Novara. Does not bode well

[@Archie460]

My Question is what can we do about it at this stage! We are reverting back to a time when we didn't have any rights at all, the rights and freedoms our ancestors fought and died for and that we took for granted are being taken away.Who could've imagined in our wildest dreams we would be living in such times. Thanks Crispin for great show ✊

[@ElisabeteSuzana]

Sounds like the US, which is not coincidental. You need to organise with the population, have local campaigns to explain this to people and actions of protest.

[@annenunney9907]

This has been excellent Crispin thank you

[@owlsrace]

Tory free ports are union free ports to compete with the current unionised ports.

[@TREVORALLMAN]

I agree they are to undermine workers' rights, but they are not exclusive to the Conservative Party.

[@mikeharvey9811]

This is why our NHS has to be privatised, it’s a done deal. It will concern us all, our kids will be paying for our hips and bypass operations and themselves. Or they’ll choose assisted dying for us. Barb

[@pauleaton3578]

Everybody needs to watch this.

[@tobyninja6369]

Everybody should read “The ragged trousered philanthropists” people power. We are the many they are the few. 💪

[@michaelbenton2518]

The people just voted for kier Stalin ,I have no faith in the people.

[@tobyninja6369]

@@michaelbenton2518 it’s why we have to educate. People like you and me and many others have to help and fight for us! 💪

[@calumroche2851]

All this time I thought Alan Rickman was the baddy as Sherriff of Nottingham in Prince of Thieves. How wrong I was.

[@theresa7882]

Thank you ❤

[@nxu5107]

Many thanks for this. Why weren’t there any legal challenges to this scheme?

[@Redf322]

When May made her Brexit speech she said if EU wont give us what we want, we will have to become a low tax economy.

[@Nine-Signs]

Yes, and we did. If you go out and work your bollocks off for 100,000 pounds over 18 months you pay 40% tax on that. If I as a millionaire(i'm not but you get the idea) go out and buy a painting, stick it on a fricking wall, twiddle my thumbs for 18 months, then sell it for 100,000 profit, I only pay 20% tax. If I work hard and earn 50,000 a year I will pay around 8% of that in national insurance tax. Where as if I am a wealthy landlord or corporate owner who gets a million pounds a year for absolutely no work, via dividend and rents, I only pay 2% national insurance, AND with the right accountant I only pay 15% income tax on that masses of unearned income from dividends and rents for no work, vs the 40% I would have paid on the 50,000 a year working my fingers to the bone. See! low tax! they just never bother to say who will be getting the low taxes and whose taxes will have to rise as a result.

[@Redf322]

@@Nine-Signsthey never bothered to say it was them who was getting the sovereignty back.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@Redf322 like Ireland did

[@Nine-Signs]

@@Redf322 Well, in terms of nations for sure Nobody got sovereignty back, the entirety of European nations, the UK included, have our foreign and much of our economic policy dictated to us by Washington while transnational banks have the power to create our money. But as to the rich, they already had their sovereignty long before brexit no matter the EU, it really was not a concern at all for them, their businesses are already mostly abroad in cheaper nations, their assets are in the Caymans, the only thing they cared about, was defending capitalism from change post 2008 collapse of it due to it running out of other peoples money... and brexit was the perfect tool for doing that. Divide and rule, and the mases here fell for it hook line and sinker on both sides of the argument, while folks like me and Corbyn stood there saying to both extremist sides that the EU is a symptom of the problem, not a cause unto itself. The cause, is the rewards and incentives of capitalism, that a thousand brexits and a thousand remains, would never alter a lick of in any systemic way.

[@silverlinings3946]

​@@Nine-Signsexactly.

[@Greebstreebling]

The biggest revolution in workers rights in a generation. i was dreaming again obviously. Just waiting for my zero hours work to come through.

[@dabay200]

Still don't understand what these zones are, why they were needed or their history

[@TuneHawk]

As others have mentioned, read or listen to Matt Kennard.

[@Crediton17]

You are not meant to understand hence lack of detailed media investigation. Wait until you find yourself living in one with a compulsory purchase order on your home. Or losing employment protections.

[@emperoruler]

Amazon ?

[@TREVORALLMAN]

For a bloke who says he lives in the Netherlands, he seems to be unaware of the dire economic situation members of the European Union Bosses Club are in. Saying that, most Pro-EU apologists appear to have little clue about European politics and the European Union and its predecessors, and why Communists and Socialists have always opposed the concept of a union of European capitalist states, even going back to Lenin.

[@Sulayman.786]

Patchwork of corporate sovereign zones, like gang areas..

[@michaelskinner3067]

Might seem like I'm being flippant, but; theses Special Economic Zones reminds me of Roadside Picnic.

[@donniblanco5239]

Many Folks, Hearing about Investment in Britain, maybe under a Misapprehension that it’s for the Benefit of the People 😂😂

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Regions. Sounds exactly like the Gordon Brown plan to chop up the country into tiny zone (15mins zones), and then administer these through regionalisim.

[@davidtruman4590]

Oh yes, Gordon 'the banks are too big to fail' Brown. Let's not forget him. It also sounds like what Rosa Korie has been warning is happening in North Amrerica, where the proposed zones will even cut across the US Canada border.

[@jk12114]

No he was advocating for Local Authority control and profits to the ratepayers ! Whereas these are groups of private financiers using public cash , public land , to organise and control flow of goods and costs renting back or charging govt & citizens for their own private group !

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@jk12114 nope, his talk of localism was a thinly veiled afterthought cover for this scheme of fragmentation. Check out his plan, compare it to SEZ and you'll see perfect overlap, then compare his plan to local authority and you'll see gaping gaps in obvious things (not to mention unviable unless there were SEZs funding the local authority).

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@davidtruman4590 yah, they're collapsing the concept of nation state into 'network state' where 'state' can be public, private, or public-private. Hence all vassal nations of the Global American Empire are being collapsed into one entity (Anglosphere, EU, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan).

[@jk12114]

@@OrwellsHousecat Yes and that's why your reply , tho why bother ? Was word salad ! Ah perhaps your on 1 of the quangos ?

[@pauleaton3578]

Read Matt Kennards book Silent Coup

[@arandmorgan]

What right have these individuals to sell our nation's land. Treachery and betrayal. The individuals who have made these deals have sold their country to foreign business investors.

[@jezstevens]

Revolution it is then.

[@musopaul5407]

Quinn Slobodian's book, "Crack-up Capitalism" deals with this in some depth. Angus Hanton's "Vassal State" is even more disturbing. Please read them. The picture is far worse than even this interview reveals.

[@julianhill4538]

[@emperoruler]

Musk ?

[@Irene-im8xi]

This is the coming utopia we have to thank Brexiteers for visiting on the country?! If these companies bring workers from other countries to work tax free at these Freeports will they be able to use all the services taxpayers have paid for like hospitals, fire services etc?

[@TREVORALLMAN]

I'm guessing you've missed how dire things are in the European Union "utopia", with austerity across Europe, even Germany, which had previously side-stepped the EU's austerity programme that started in 2009, but is now in recession, rapidly de-industrialising and the standard of living of the German working class falling.

[@mikecollins4625]

The EU is not the answer. They started the demise and are now in collapse, mainly because of insistance of fighting Russia and Palestine.

[@Redf322]

So what is the answer?

[@Nine-Signs]

Oh give me a break. Look, re-joining the EU will do sod all for us that is true, a simple customs unions will resolve the necrocracy while keeping us independent of them, like Corbyn offered till Starmer screwed it. But as for the EU starting our demise, what in the name of heaven are you chatting about? The demise not just of the UK but of the ENTIRE COLLECTIVE WEST, began the minutes the shipping container and jet engine was invented circa 1950 as at that moment ever increasing, capitalism incentivises the capitalist minority to take their good paying productive jobs and piss off abroad with them ever increasing year by year, now you can certainly blame the EU governments for not preparing their peoples for this for sure, but the EU is NOT responsible for the decline we have experienced, it is as much a victim of that decline as we are as can be seen from the fact that Russia and a couple of rinkydink allies have outproduced the western entire collective remaining industrial base regarding the supply of armaments such has been the hollowing out of western industry over the last 70yrs ever increasing. It is not the EU that started our decline, it is the rewards and incentives of capitalism itself, that incentivises the rich to maximise internal profits, at any externalised cost to society, nation world. Which they achieve by a)lobbying/bribing the majority of centrists and right wing politicians and media to make it easier to send the jobs abroad to cheaper workers so as to maximise profits retained maximising dividends to the capitalist minority, or b)lobbying/bribing the majority of centrists and right wing politicians and media to make it easier to bring cheaper foreign workers to the jobs in order to supress wage growth thus maximising profits retained >> maximising dividends to the capitalist minority, or c)Demanding tax breaks, tax cuts, rebaits, bailouts, in order to keep a sliver of their operations in western nations where producing anything is hellishly expensive compared to Bangladesh, or... d) the usual, ALL OF THE ABOVE SYMULTANEOUSLY as can be seen from the yet more hundred plus million we are throwing at tata steel making nearly a billion pounds they have had out of use to keep the slivers of our steel industry alive at great for profit expanse to us all, and you can see it in the fact that when we left the EU the capitalist minority moved their job agencies out to nations much further away with no shared heritage nor culture and since brexit have been importing HIGHER numbers of cheap foreign mostly brown skinned workers as a replacement for the cheap white European workers we used to get because you can brexit or remain a thousand times and it will never, EVER, change how capitalism works, which was the entire reason brexit was allowed in order to divert a majority from such realisations post the collapse of capitalism in 2008. Brexit: The most systemically useless vote in history as if voting to change your white bread to wholemeal despite the fact its still full of shit. Oh and as to migration, last year during the inflation crisis the migration figure inwards was THREE TIMES LARGER than any other year in British history despite us no longer being in the EU, as capitalists demanded a mass swamping of workers to come through the system so as to keep a lid on inflationary pressures to raise wages. And not a single twat said a word about it, not even Farage or Robinson themselves, all too busy misdirecting gullible fools onto handfuls of piss poor refugee's on small boats in order to allow the capitalist class filling their pockets to continue dividing the workforce against itself so as to ensure nothing ever changes for them.

[@mikecollins4625]

@@Redf322 Become totally independant of USA and EU and talk to waring factions. EU and USA/Israel are toxic.

[@kwakkers68]

@@Redf322 As with so many issues, we come back to overcoming Entrenched Power.. so this the central issue; the solutions bit is much easier. -Closing U/S bases and embassies (DC having effectively destroyed Europe's economy, via corrupt/loyal politicians) - removing poodle politicos, - driving a massive uplift in popular understanding of politics, economics, and 'real' history - ending illegal wars - building bridges w/ nations that Europe has been abusing for centuries - driving Green Tech > also driving employment - breaking up Corporate Power* (* e.g doing away with number of shares = number of votes)

[@kwakkers68]

@@Redf322 Europe can't compete with Asia in terms of Tech, or Labour costs, is hated internationally, if incrementally less than the USA, and its 'reputation' is dire (illegal wars, imperialism....) Agriculture is one mainstay that appears to be a strong option to build on - but industrial is a terrible, unsustainable, grossly immoral path to take/carry on. There's always Arts, Education, tourism. Green Tech is key - doesn't have to match China's per se - being local is a major factor. Solar, Hydro, Wind... But all options will be limited if its undertaken through Neo-liberalism - shares/dividends, bonuses, tighter budgets to max profit, less favourable worker conditions etc etc ... which takes us back to breaking with the USA > which has zero tolerance for State enterprise > ''if the Europeans do it and it works people might ask 'why can't we do that here'' > risk to massive profits/fortunes etc n.b. Private Sector involvement in key infrastructure always means more cost, and less 'stuff' > because profit, vast salaries, bonuses have to be taken into account. And it's also completely moronic - given the State's power to CREATE money

[@brian8616]

They are interested unless you’re a donor or if you are a friend of Israel or some other country this is not a government working for you

[@kets4443]

Are the Starmerites going to make us like China?

[@ryanseddon4800]

I dont know if citizens have the will to stop this

[@basfinnis]

If only that engine was running 😂

[@pip3124]

Oh

[@user-vs7cw2rg7r]

Why angry? You don't live here anymore so why do you get a say? It's not complicated.

[@isokabooks3758]

Rickets and Tata's investment in Londongrad. True 3rd world trajectory.

[@BloodyChunX]

Neo-feudalism

[@OrwellsHousecat]

This doesn't make much sense. Why would anyone want to invest in Britain? The costs are astronomical, the administration is counterproductive, the staff issues are horrendous and the returns are Negative. Unless there are some tax breaks there will be zero investment because everywhere else in the world offers a better deal

[@sparkle6093]

Corporations own the UK.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

Rubbish

[@kwakkers68]

Tax breaks? Standard form now, and has been for a very long time! Neo-liberal Tax Code, non-dom, off-shore .... For wider context, read Klein's 'Shock Doctrine'; and 'The City, the power of International finance'

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@kwakkers68 are you having a knee-jerk allergic reaction to tax breaks even though you favour welfare state tax breaks? At this rate there will be nothing to tax, and no tax revenue to distribute, as all business will relocate to cheaper & better & more lucrative places. Do you have any idea what position Europe is in?

[@kwakkers68]

@@OrwellsHousecat 1. I understand the position it is in. 2. The State does not rely on Tax spend - having the ability to CREATE money. 3. The exodus of Manufacturing has already largely taken place. 4. Neo-liberal Tax Code is obviously grotesquely immoral, and corrupt - those agents and agencies possessing most wealth being able to legally swerve any significant tax.

[@MrHowardMoon]

No wonder people are considering moving to Russia. I need to keep learning Russian.

[@aidanmacdougall9250]

Brexit was still a great thing regardless of special economic zones!

[@TREVORALLMAN]

Special Economic Zones have been in existence since the 1980's, so they are nothing to do with leaving the European Union.

[@montysmythe579]

Is that what they are calling the migrants now

[@afrusali1412]

YES BREXIT WAS THE HEADS GETTING PAYED AND CORPORATE GAINS

[@TREVORALLMAN]

Nothing to do with Brexit. There have been Special Economic Zones" in the UK since the 1980's. Also, the major capitalists wanted to remain in the EU Bosses Club.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

SEZs. Yeah, so what?

[@Redf322]

Corporate sovereignty is not a good thing. Could somebody have backed the wrong horse?

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@Redf322 that doesn't make sense. Sounds like an emotional reaction. why is it not a good thing?

[@Redf322]

@@OrwellsHousecatmaybe watch the video again. For once in your life listen.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@Redf322 yeah, I watched, I listened, and it was basically a lot of woo-woo scary-scare empty of any real content or real reason for concern. I think it just appeals to people who have a fear-fetish. There's nothing wrong with SEZs, they allow a flexibility & variability for businesses rather than the existing One-Size-Fits-No-one. It gives the scope for research & development & experimentation. We're in a highly competitive market and we're far behind almost every other country in Asia, East Europe and half of Africa. I suppose those old colonial Imperialist supremacist thinkers wouldn't comprehend this because they just assume we are better/ahead of everyone else and that we can keep up just by imposing force on potential rivals. Such entitlement would make a certified Narcissist embarrassed. So, once again, what's the actual problem with SEZs and why is that worse than the upside?

[@RusstafaB]

@@OrwellsHousecat @Redf322 So why do the state subsidies exist if we have a £22 billion black hole? The best move our Government should make is decouple from the USA. Dump our farcical investment (2nd most significant globally) in US treasury bonds, which will be worth bugger all in 10 years. Join BRICS, but they would not have us as the USA and Europe are rapidly becoming third-rate Neo liberal sh*t holes.

[@selfpreservationsociety]

Labour just a horrible middle class hobby,

[@JohnJones-tx6rt]

I cant understand what this is about. Something to do with Brexit? Maybe about voting and the EU? It sounds too complicated, maybe its about helping businesses and how hard it is to vote from abroad. It doesn't sound too important though, more like complicated government ecomomics. I had to give up after a while. I havent got a clue really.

[@mickhills6288]

You certainly haven't if you can't see whats going on here. Or wilfully ignorant?

[@Nine-Signs]

Ok John, in plain English. Say you are the government and you take a port area, doesn't have to be a port there, just the area, and 5 miles around it, you designate that as a special economic zone, you then take a couple of billion pounds of tax payers money, you push the bag of money over a desk to a handful of capitalists you want to invest there, and along side it you push an official looking empty book that has a title on the front that reads "the laws of this region" and then you hand the capitalists the pen and tell them to write their own laws which you've already empowered them to do at a governmental level when you set up the special economic zone. And all the hundreds of thousands, to potentially millions of people living in those zones, are now subject to the laws and policies of that region that were determined by a handful of unelected capitalists, now sure it wont effect anything too significant/ in your face today, but in 50 years If not sooner, everyone in those regions will be paying their taxes to the corporations that own the regions, the councils will be bankrupted and wound down, and the entire lot will be ran by those few giant likely transnational corporations given those regions by contract for decades, with government itself shrank to little more than an administrative badge over a patchwork of privatised corporate kingdoms, back to feudalism, via capitalism. Any better for you to understand? best wishes.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

And yet you have the right to vote?

[@jillallan8985]

I am thick but I get it

[@jillallan8985]

​@@therealrobertbirchallThe right to vote but it's not democratic is it? It's all an illusion that we live in a democracy and in a free country but we actually don't.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

You keep saying "dangerous" as a dog whistle to trigger people who've been conditioned to have a disproportionate visceral pavlovian reaction to that word. What's the actual danger though?

[@isabellesmith5253]

I suggest you listen to the orator Of this clip carefully...you might learn something then again with your cavalier attitude I doubt you can

[@Redf322]

@@isabellesmith5253he still hasn’t learnt that Orwell was a socialist.

[@Nine-Signs]

@@Redf322 Well Orwell was also a snake and a grass and a suck up to establishment and British intelligence who he sold out his colleagues to later in life, so maybe Orwellshousecat did learn something from Orwell, just not necessarily the correct parts.

[@pip3124]

The end of democracy, the end of rights, sick pay, health and safety holiday pay-think of them as modern-day workhouses.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@pip3124 that's already gone, regardless of SEZ

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Well, what else would you expect from The Left?

[@Nine-Signs]

Sorry to bother you, I was just curious to know what planet you are on presently to be so far away from our reality here as to believe Starmer and much of his cabinet could be found anywhere to the left of Churchill. Not a left wing bone in that mans body nor the majority of the rest and those that do posses a dribble of left wing beliefs are still barely left of centre.

[@Redf322]

This is a Tory Brexit long term set up. Starmer is not left

[@kwakkers68]

New Labour aren't 'the Left'.

[@annenunney9907]

This Labour Party is not left that is why I did not vote for them.

[@Nine-Signs]

@@annenunney9907 fyi, The person in control of this particular bot is far too much of a coward and too corrupt to ever have an actual systemic response beyond 50yr old tropes of why capitalism without restraint and deregulation are wonders to behold rather than the cancer they have turned out to be. He is a complete moron who refuses to accept any matters of reality that shaft his personal beliefs.