Why Award Ceremonies Are Pointless

[@sarahpomegranate5131]

My parents ran a village post office in the 90s, as their pre-retirement job. When Horizon was being introduced, my father, who was an engineer and pretty tech savvy, was not happy about it all. He spoke to the PO district representative about his concerns, as he could see it was a very flawed system and he could foresee potential issues with it. The rep just said, off the record, that he understood my father’s point, but they’d invested a lot in it and it would go ahead, come what may. So they were aware it was problematic, to say the least. Luckily, my parents retired before they had to use Horizon for long. It’s shocking that some of the main culprits are still not being held accountable. Kudos to ITV for raising awareness of this disgraceful scandal.

[@thebagelsproductions]

Private Eye have been on the scandal for about 20 years I think, ages anyway

[@AlbertSquareAfterDark]

Absolutely adoring this podcast. I wasn’t aware of Marina before but I am enjoying her and I adore Richard Osman so to hear him talk so forensically about telly is an absolute joy. So glad this has been a success.

[@robovac3557]

Yeah, it's lovely to listen to two people speak on things they have a real in depth knowledge of.

[@graemehorner6746]

Marina's column in the Guardian is always terrific too.

[@philcollinson4960]

I came across this Podcast a few days ago. What a joy to watch these two highly intelligent and articulate people debate the subject matters on offer. I love them both so much. Please don't stop...

[@talesfromrosie852]

Love that you’re doing weekly Q&A’s - really enjoyed the last one!

[@GoldnDusty]

It is worth noting that, for all the credit we give ITV, they did still cave to corporate structural pressure in one particular way: Adam Crozier was head of Royal Mail from 2003-2010, but doesn't at all feature in the drama series. Adam Crozier was also head of ITV until 2017. Small quibble, but it's irked me, at least.

[@j.s3300]

Great FA head

[@alexscott1566]

Amn't is in common usage in Scots English. Brilliant duo.

[@Grenglish91]

The thing I'm really enjoying while catching up with this podcast is the behind the curtain peak at the industry from 2 people that have been in different media for years and have really interesting insight. It's really interesting to hear about sports events and in previous episodes things like syndication of shows. It really puts logic behind the seemingly random decisions behind show cancellations.

[@joeheaton7607]

Woo we are being blessed with 2 podcasts a week!

[@babettesfeast6347]

The chemistry between Marina and Richard is incredible- they should have a TV chat show with guests never mind a podcast

[@davidhughes4185]

I agree with marina, awards are ridiculous, i’ve never understood why people want to watch celebrities hand trophies to each other

[@DrCalamityJan]

Regarding that gasp out loud moment in the latest UK Traitors series, I was wondering if I would recognise what it was you were speaking about. And then I gasped out loud! Amazing.

[@spooony2714]

Great podcast. Funny, relaxing with some great well thought out chat.

[@jackfrear3537]

Fantastic podcast! The quality insight here has jumped it to the top of my list.

[@happiestgoth]

Loving the podcast - just found it today and have been binging it. Not that I've watched it, but the traitors sounds a lot like the game among us.

[@peter-lowe]

We gave 100 people 100 seconds to name as many awards shows as possible...

[@GuanoLad]

The difference between sport vs entertainment awards is that film vs film is not the same as team vs team. It's more akin to event vs event, which is not how sport works. You don't pitch football vs cricket, or tennis vs basketball, so you shouldn't put harrowing drama up against wacky comedy when choosing "Best Film", or put a dramatic heart wrenching performance against a brief amusing cameo for "Best Actress".

[@JeanneEllenSW]

What an enjoyable podcast! Thank you so much! (I am also a big Thursday Murder Club Fan)

[@andyjohnson4907]

Attention! This podcast doesn't spoil the latest UK series, but has major to minor spoilers for some of the other versions, including UK season one. Just in case you were wondering like I was.

[@lemonsheamus7418]

On the darts/tennis chat- the shorter set format has been trialed in NextGen finals - doesn't really work as well - tennis scoring system is perfect really, expecially with tie break tension

[@PianoKwanMan]

38:40 onwards I love when there's a falling out. This is probably number one in my top Ten disagreements in this podcast

[@liammcnichol3369]

Totally agree with Richard regarding awards for movie/arts etc

[@ewengarrod2198]

Not since GCSE maths have I heard anyone say adjacent as much as Marina. Top podcast nonetheless!

[@dmontes133]

The golden globes are the worst, just look up Pia Zamora. Fantastic podcast! Thank you!

[@postedbyneal]

Loving this podcast (for the alg) unique NEW podcast in a super over crowded field

[@nonindividual]

I live in India, and Traitors sounds like the game Mafia that's extremely popular in India and has been popular for at least 15 years. People often play the game at parties, and other get togethers.

[@Accountforstuff]

We have the same game in the UK too, but it is known as the werewolf game, commonly played at scouts camps and the like. The traitors is slightly different in that they can't have the "good guys" win too early as that would ruin the TV format, so they fudge it by having new traitors recruited as old ones are found out, which completely changes the game. It makes it so really the best strategy is to work out who a traitor is, pretend not to know and become their ally to protect you from being voted off, then throw them under the bus at the end.

[@medialies6254]

the trouble with Richards "glitch" in series 1 of The Traitors about the last 2 that come down for breakfast were also one the shortlist formurder hence they must be faithful is.....only the viewers could spot that glitch....the contestants had no idea about that during the competition

[@Accountforstuff]

Well no, but it's not inconceivable that someone intelligent could have thought to themself, I'm on a TV show, the TV show will be done in stereotypical ways for drama, the coming down for breakfast is one of your key drama moments, they'd probably do it like this. There is a quirk in the first season of the Australian version of the traitors, where someone gets to the final five who otherwise is barely ever shown on screen, which led to a lot of people confused asking who the heck they are and where did they come from! It turns out they purposefully cut him out as much as possible because he kept saying things like "well this is a TV show, they're going to be showing a lot of content about traitors and the camera Crews keep following x, y, and z people far more than anyone else" etc.

[@matteopullicino]

I've just learned that "amn't" is an Irish word. Who knew!? Well... the Irish, I guess.

[@cvdbdesigns4332]

It seems the reason that The Bear falls into the comedy category at the Golden Globes is that the episodes are 30 -ish minutes long - and historically that was deemed a sitcom or comedy length whereas a drama will be an hour long.

[@buzzukfiftythree]

I just cannot watch The Traitors. I can't watch a programme whose main thread is treachery and lying succeeding and honesty failing.

[@Czechbound]

*Tennis* : 6 games * ( best of ) 3 sets. So max number of games is 18 + 3 tiebreak games that decide the sets. Richard's idea is 3 games in 6 sets. So maximum is 18 + 6 tiebreak games. So actually 3 more games. And those tiebreak games can go on and on if having to win by 2. So tiebreak games' rules would have to change. For example, only have tie break games in the last 3 sets, and have them be best of 5

[@philipellis7039]

As this is a day behind - Paula Vennells is handing back her CBE.

[@highdownmartin]

Before they turn up to ask for it back! Guilty.

[@grahambuckerfield4640]

They mentioned they recorded it on Monday, the day before the CBE was handed back.

[@andrewmontague9682]

You can make jokes about a celebrities at a award ceremony, Ricky Gervais did one about Martin Scorsese beimg too short to go on rides that he smirked and nodded along to. It's just about if you're poking fun rayher than making somebody look bad. There's a LOT of fragile egos in these audiences.

[@highdownmartin]

On the traitors theme, I’ll bet the producers egg people on to do a piece to camera or set up a three way chat where people come out with the bollox they come out with. The game plan of staying stumm only works with one person; twenty people sitting silently staring at each other for four episodes don’t make good tele

[@johnpotts8308]

Almost certainly. It might help you win the game to be invisible, but it makes lousy TV. The Producers will cast people who won't keep quiet and will blow up any conflict as much as they can.

[@andymartin6471]

Tell Richard,darts is a game, not a sport.

[@adamg2204]

Can you add timestamps on future videos

[@louisestevenson1038]

Can you talk about the other big talking point this week aswell, saltburn Xx

[@wmperry2790]

Watched Traitors on the strength of R&M's enthusiasm, But no, its just another awful , phony, reality contest. It might be the best one ever, but if you cant stomach the genre it'll still make you nauseous

[@aidanknox122]

Yes watched the first episode of season 1. Was appalled, even turning people away at the door before the whole thing starts. I did wonder why I was so viserally efected by it but then I thought oh Trump would love that level of humiliation and my dislike become clear. It's the times...

[@wmperry2790]

@@aidanknox122 The contest reality shows all seem like some arcane hazing ritual, With intricate humiliations that are only put up with for the money/clout. Is like getting tramps to fight for sport - it degarades everyone invlved, producers, contastants, audience - That said , i really admire richard's abilty to enjoy a wide ranfge of stuff - he decided early on to like the most carny-ish of stuff if it well done and work to bring better pinball machines and ring-toss stands

[@Accountforstuff]

​@aidanknox122 it's not a spoiler because you'll not watch it anyway, haha, so I'll let you know that those people "turned away at the door" were brought back to enter the group again halfway through, giving them the benefit of not being able to be banished or murdered for half the season, but with the downside of being the outsiders in a group that have formed alliances by that point. One of them made it to the end

[@dmontes133]

Popularity does not equal quality.

[@michaelrobson3460]

Would the panel host the award show for highest grossing movies of the previous year?

[@larsg.2492]

I don't get The Traitors. As Marina said, it's just a social game going by who you like or not. The Faithful have no mechanics of sleuthing out a traitor. If the traitors had some kind of incentive to manipulate group challenges, then maybe. But as it stands now, it's just fishing in the dark and not very entertaining. There are enough social deduction party games, the producers should have taken one as inspiration and implemented something from them to make it at least a bit strategic.

[@drwatsonca6945]

Award shows are for the people attending. If you don't like that thing then don't watch them. No one is forcing you to so why should you complain. In fact if you are the industry and you don't like them then tell everyone you never want an award for your work and refuse to accept them since you think them not worth it. Put your money where you mouth is.

[@captainrenault5683]

To see the epitome of awards hosting, google Ricky Gervais doing the 2020 Golden Globes.

[@usedfuzzbox]

No axe to grind with Jo Koy, I barely know his work, but that monologue was painfully unfunny, compared to almost any other host under the circumstances described here....

[@brachiator1]

Koy was so bad that I switched off the TV. I tuned in later and really enjoyed the show. Many of the presenters were genuinely funny. Maybe it helps that they serve drinks. The stars looked fabulous and many of the speeches were touching.

[@JohnIrwin]

Do people who watch TV not watch Twitch? Didn't we all watch thousands of hours of people playing Amongus last year? Same game, same rules.

[@Accountforstuff]

The game existed well before amongus. Scouts groups have been playing "the werewolf game" for decades

[@untchableninja]

Please learn the difference between a game and a match in tennis

[@thebagelsproductions]

I think most games are pretty tense tbf, since holding the service games is so important when the opponents are closely matched

[@davidevans3227]

i thought this show would be a lot better.. definitely disappointed

[@McZorr0101]

I still couldn’t care less about darts and you didn’t do it any favours by saying you were going to “touch on” it and then turning into a world class “pu” bore on the topic