Why BARON BUFF is LOSING YOU GAMES! - League of Legends

[@skillcapped]

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[@ultimocontrole9980]

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[@user-kq6ju6hc1w]

text is wrong at 8:04 ....it says "6 lanes per wave" and it should say "6 waves per lane"

[@flo218fk]

This click noices of an 2000 Mouse bothering a lot people. It‘s makes me aggressive and i can‘t do shit against it. Misophonia ist kicking.

[@thiertt4269]

There is the classical baron int. Half the team recalls after baron, the other half pushes mid and dies. Then the players, who are still alive, go sidelane and get picked.

[@rainbowpheanix]

this sounds so familiar.

[@Sebastian-oz1lj]

literaly every time i take baron this happens

[@TheCalebMoline]

“This week, on Classic Solo Queue Nightmares…”

[@CptApplestrudl]

I tried to tell someone once, that Baron buff isnt a teamfighting buff but a siege buff...I got laughed at.

[@freunddeswaldes575]

I think its a misunderstanding that comes from players that started playing long time ago. Back then there was no Soul, no Elder, it was just Baron. It would give you crazy stats buffs so you can make sure you will win every teamfight with it. Even in my Plat/Diamond games there are players who farm Jungle camps and aram when you have the buff. It's a very very common issue. Usually as a Jungler I just start splitting on my own if I notice my solo laners are dummies that wanna play team deathmatch on mid lane. Its not ideal, but better than wasting the entire buff.

[@nmnmnmp4503]

Lol players are retarded most od the time XD they think they are star od the gamę and rest of the team should Play around them. They are focus to much on kills, dont understand economy in this game. Killing others is not a main goal in the game, its rather side efect. U should focus on win conditions.

[@aptq9116]

isn't elder the teamfight buff?

[@cvzeroone3190]

@@aptq9116 exactly

[@ceetee3370]

Elder is the teamfight buff, baron is the 'take the goddamn towers' buff. Stack waves before baron if possible and just shove every lane possible. DO NOT FIGHT WITH BARON. JUST PUSH AND BACK OFF.

[@Celmondas]

I got a weird feeling regarding Drakes. Getting the soul unlocks the elder drake and if the enemy gets that you will probably lose. Maybe you wanna do a video explaining when to take drake and when not to

[@Celmondas]

@Yagami LW Well Drakes are still relatively strong. Especially the souls can be the difference between killing someone or them living with 100 HP. I play Irelia a lot and if my team gets the Chemtech Soul it enhances her natural power in long fights by a good amount. I think Drakes a really worth getting when you are able to. But the problem lies in the elder drake. It only appears in long games so leads are getting smaller and smaller and you dont get a bonus when you already got a lot of drakes, it even gets harder to kill. But if the enemy team get it they might suddenly be able to win even thought you are ahead like 4:0 Elemental Drakes. So maybe sometimes it might be better not to take the soul so that the enemy cant get the elder buff (which is really broken imo)

[@BlStein9]

Getting souls has like a 90% winrate. The buffs are really strong, but play around them. Infernal is easy to see the use, it’s just more damage. But going “All in” with ocean Drake and dying isn’t using the buff. Instead chip away at their health bars. Air Drake allows you to rotate quicker and make fights uneven, so grouping isn’t preferred. Hexdrake allows you to kite and peel better, so absorbing engages is significantly stronger. Chemtank is actually a hard “let’s fight!” buff.

[@schlime1167]

When your team always dies going for drag after baron. Are we supposed to 5v5 at drag after baron if 4 people are walking over there?

[@baylonsconer755]

@@schlime1167 yes, if you backport and 4 people walk baron, you walk with them. sometimes we have to disregard the "best play in a perfect game" and do the best play we can do with what we have (our pepega team).

[@fyremusic6196]

Sometimes you need to just focus on not taking soul. In a typical game, if you can get 2 dragons (or even 3) then drag soul is no longer on the table unless you choose to fight for it yourself. You can instead use your opponents running dragon timers to get pressure on map and push down towers and inhibs instead

[@tomi4104]

8:05 6 lanes per wave, pog

[@kosinussen9265]

xD

[@rainbowpheanix]

nono, its 5 lanes per banana. makes more sense.

[@xNOTMYREALNAMEx]

great guide and i completely agree. this issue is actually the fundamental problem i'm running into in league today: how to deal with your teammates constantly looking for fights and taking every single fight no matter what the circumstances are. it's not just when you have baron. it's ALL THE TIME, CONSTANTLY, and you can't do anything about it. it's incredibly frustrating i've experienced this in the past, but it has NEVER been as bad as it is this season. i mostly only play flex 5v5s with friends in league and just get to plat in solo queue in ~50 games every season and don't play solo queue beyond that. but this season i have been stuck in gold for a month now because every single game is a coin flip of monkeys on both teams running straight from the fountain to immediately try to fight each other regardless of circumstances. i play mid and get ~8cs/min, have 4+ KDA averages on all my champs, build up massive leads over my mid opponent who is also just running around like a monkey taking random fights and dying, but it doesn't matter. no matter what i do, i cannot stop my team from running in, dying, then raging at each other in chat and continuing to run in and die to clarify, this kind of behavior has always been relatively common in solo queue, but this season is much, much worse than in past seasons, when i've basically cruised to plat effortlessly by doing nothing more than halfway intelligent macro and side lane management. i've tried grouping more, but it doesn't work very well because i'm playing mid carries and not engagers. then *as soon* as i leave to catch a stacked sidewave, a monkey teammate will engage 3v4 and my team will get wiped. i check the op.gg's of the players in the game afterwards and these guys all have average KDAs of like 10.1/10.4/3.5. how the fuck am i unable to climb past these people? they are barely human. what am i doing wrong?! clearly i am doing something wrong and need to fix my own play but i genuinely do not know what to do. do i play engagers? do i just group 24/7 and not catch side waves at all? i honestly do not know. it would be awesome if you guys did an in-depth video on this topic, but really, you kind of already do, and your answer is always to catch side waves and farm and build up massive leads over your opponent, and then carry (which i do also believe is objectively correct play). but maybe there are other things i can and should be doing to modify my play to play around these people. would appreciate some content addressing this if you guys think it would be well-received. thanks

[@rainbowpheanix]

the answer seems clear here. when monkeys fight, join the battle in the most heated moment and take the score. send your most underfarmed monkey to sidellane. if he refuses, gently point out that he needs the farm. I made a habit out of spam pinging danger in my mates faces when i see them about to int on the minimap. Doesnt work always but hey. always keep in your head: when 2 fight, the 3rd one gets happy. (its a german saying, dk how to translate better)

[@tomassklenar8277]

If you can, Split push. Noone is coming to stop you if your team goes in to 4v5, you take 2 turrets and it's good for you even if your team dies. But let mě tell you what is even mlte frustrating - when you have an early game comp, your slowly Getting outscaled, but you're fed (on heimerdinger so if their assasins get far enough to one-shot you you can't decide teamfights anymore, also their top becomes tanky...) and you constantly ping to fight, to group baron, to 5v5 and collect the buff, and then you see your 2/7 adc go farm, with his support (our only tank)... This happened like 5 Times, then we got outscaled and lost. And even funnier, i got blamed. I don't think you can do much about that...

[@rainbowpheanix]

@@tomassklenar8277 maybe you better play a scaling champ yourself that can kill the assassins lategame.. i mean, with heimer you best stay with the team and wait till the enemy gets itchy fingers right? but it takes alot of patience.

[@ripbeni6198]

Also, a high plat player, get matched with dia and masters and gm, and kid you not, seen a couple challies at end of seasons (indicative that we need HARD mmr resets, but i digress), but literally everything you said is true. Ofc you have to do the correct play but I'm wondering, do the monkeys make the objectively good play incorrect?

[@tomassklenar8277]

@@rainbowpheanix True, but the power he gives you is worth it. I have a special build I play on top, I win laně like 80% of the time. Still climbing, I guess that's why. But the sad part is, it might not be enough. Once i had a game where I was 6/0 against Jax, i was proxying, up 50-60 cs... My team managed to feed their adc even more :(

[@ChosenKiller4sale]

Skillcapped: "One person setting up waves could win." Me: setting up wave My Team: lets teamfight in their jungle where there's no baron minions 300IQ

[@andy6302]

I love skillcapped. They've helped me immensely. The problem is viewers tend to get ahead of their elo mentally... And our team mates don't watch Skillcapped :(

[@adambelos6129]

ping them it works in some games if it does not work just let them die. Go back and w8 until they respawn meanwihle write them what you as team need to do group&push they respawn about minute later and you remian with baron buff at least for one wave which could still decide game push them and prepare fro posible drake or next fight. Unfortunately we never change our teamates only our play could be improved

[@ceetee3370]

Every. Fucking. Time.

[@corneliurusu8598]

You forgot with 0 vision and facecheking while chasing a kill

[@Sebastian-oz1lj]

@@corneliurusu8598 the funniest shit is they will get baited not one time and learn then stop doing that nooo they will chase a kill in jungle with no vision all the time dying several times and still didnt realise they are doing something wrong. i mean. even monkey learns to not touch banana after you electro schock it a few times. and those idiots dont

[@Bloodwest]

yeah i always thought baron seems to be a primarily siege buff, when enemy is pinned but taking on turrets by yourselves is still undesirable. bonuses for teamfights at that point are so negligible even 1 non-elder drake would be more impactful for your combat performance. also, i like the idea of splitting while buff is active. it still might fail if your bad teammates just decide to run it down 4v5 or 3v5 but sometimes it gets really oppressive to depush even 1 champ with baron buff so it's totally worth to try.

[@47slogra]

I think the more correct term would be spread pushing, you need everyone in the team actually lane pushing an threatening the enemy with the push. A lot of players take nash and then 1 or to start to split push solo while the others are at base or jungling

[@Sebastian-oz1lj]

I play light and don't need baron for anything to take towers. ONE minion near the tower is enough. how it's working? one minion approaches the tower, weakening it, ekko goes under the tower with W thanks to which no enemy will come to kill the minion because they don't want to be stunned then hits turret with E dealing 300-500-700-1000 damage with one hit depending on the moment of the game and build. Immediately after that, he runs away without losing any health at all, because any poke is eliminated by the shield. Repeat until the tower is destroyed (usually 3-5 times) This is something people don't appreciate about ekko.

[@elainealbay7865]

I always type to teammates after we get baron "no fight just stand next to waves" and I think it works pretty well

[@rainbowpheanix]

spredding the word good guy.

[@Sebastian-oz1lj]

what is your rank? grandmaster?

[@Sebastian-oz1lj]

in low elo people dont know how to read so its dont work

[@shlomgoldberg9136]

Baron its not the 'all deciding buff' or 'exodia' - Elder Dragon is

[@andrebenites9919]

Next vjdeo: What to do after elder dragon. May seem easy, just run down and kill everyone. But it is not that easy sometimes. You really shouldn't rush and get a number disadvantage, might be one way to throw. Also, you shouldn't be too passive, it doesn't last that long. So, I guess Grouping and pushing fast. Although it does not help the siege, so, playing "fair" won't help, because teams can clean the minions... So that is the time you can run them over, dive... Use your strenght to advantage to get towers, kills, a decisive advantage

[@spiritretro3571]

i like to split into a diff lane in late game byb default simply because it forces the enemy to split their resoruces (and i get to waste the enemies time) but in iron people HATE if you dare to split in late game evne with dragons and/or baron. and even then so many people neglect minions pressure, its an important element to weaponise in late game

[@user-kq6ju6hc1w]

text is wrong at 8:04 ....it says "6 lanes per wave" and it should say "6 waves per lane"

[@daddybondrewd]

I got flamed for split pushing on kindred with baron last night, while all my laners were trying to aram. 40 seconds later there were 2 enemies bot so I rotated mid and we won the game forcing the 5v3.. idk how that's such a hard concept to understand

[@petersblub]

the conecpt is hard cause you cant communicate that well. If you are to early on a sidelane and your team tries to pressure and get engaged 4 vs5 or even 4 vs 4. your splitting will do nothing. If you are the strongest member on your team and your team cant win with out you going on a sileane is also bad cause your team wont be able to pressure without dying when they enemy team has good engage onto your team. there are alot more variables to conisder, in this one they have horrible siege with only vex having somewhat decent range vs the enemy champs. Gnar wins hard sidelane and also vex does. So splitting in this game is the best option. The other option would be tower diving which could go horrible.

[@joaoafoito9198]

As a main jungler myself, Watching that maokai fight at the end, Not using the red smite on them while fighting made me scream xD

[@matteo7393]

I got a doubt.... It is true that having members in other lanes other than mid helps using the buff pressure, but it only works if you win the 1v1 for example, otherwise enemies can just send 1 person to match, kill the weaker member and baron is once again wasted

[@nimahanna1709]

No. Fighting someone who has barron buff in their barron buff minions is much harder to win. What you said only applies if the other person has a huge lead, and its good to split that person away from their team

[@Kostyazz]

Another problem I often face when winning with baron: my teammates will dive mid t3 tower and die, instead of waiting for buffed minions to chip away on it.

[@Nemesis_T_Type]

Even with the buff it doesn't really ensure that you'll win a 5v5 clash so you are better off pushing all 3 lanes and just play keep away especially if the enemy is good. If the enemy team tries to send more than 1 people to kill 1 person pushing a side lane it ensures that their other lanes will collapse.

[@thedarkdragon1437]

Baron vs Elder: Elder is always more powerful in low elo, unless you are belveth. in which case, baron can be more versatile

[@adamdecoder1]

What if you just won baron, but you're roughly even in gold/items, and the enemy team has a hard engage comp... Say Ahri, Malphite, Nocturne, etc. In this case how do you effectively use your baron? Because surely splitting pressure is super risky when they can just force an engage 5v3 immediately on your members mid, or when nocturne can immediately pick one of your side-laners. But grouping 5 mid is also, like you said, not a great option as it comes down to a near 50/50 that's only slightly in your team's favor.

[@nqxybtw8268]

I am a belveth main and trought that baron is the Best thing to do.Just get the baron and Push all lanes together.

[@vk2k]

I'm a low elo, I noticed and experienced others killed baron they all reset back to base. I don't, I continue to push and taking advantage buff to minions. Map control.

[@SLNOffb]

Im at 6min and I swear it may be THE best guide of your channel.

[@shiiine6314]

absoulutly right and alot of players just let cs die and just go for fights and stop farming or pushing waves it hurts to see cannon waves die ;(

[@sokari134]

I find it funny how many times you guys tell this concept that people still don't know it that you need to release another video on it.

[@vladimirkozyrev3617]

Good vid! I like the details. :)

[@i4-nitooth4-a-2th2]

Please send this video out to my iron brethren and sistren...... cuz they insist on aram every ranked game.

[@trinketmage8145]

So pick a champ like Sion or Yorick and take every tower solo.

[@NotLerro]

Split up with baron over lanes. Crash waves together, coordinate so everything crashes at once GG.

[@ilovepotions9576]

Next on skillcapped: Why WINNING GAMES is LOSING YOU GAMES!

[@alexandersalazar4736]

I play every role except jungle and I'm always going to sidelanes when I have the Baron buff. I usually play Poppy top and Viktor mid so I can survive 1v1s easily and those two champs are slippery. I usually take Celerity on both champs and rotating and outrunning/dodging enemies has never been better because these two champs are fast. And I can clear minions fast with these two champs that I love. As Poppy I can't fight a Darius 1v1 at sidelanes but I sure can play with that slow walking raid boss like he's a dog and let the minions take care of the tower. As Viktor I'd love to group and push/siege but most of the time no one is going to split so I split and make Baron buff worth and not waste it. When Baron buff is on you think of the things your champ can and can't do when currently buffed by Baron buff and I'm pretty sure you'll be able to use the Baron buff better. Warning! I'm just a player that hovers between gold and platinum so don't actually listen to me I'm more of a noob as you are and this is just how I use the Baron buff and it makes me win some games.

[@gacon_4utv489]

TY for the video

[@Plonom]

I cant even get my teammates to come to Baron ...

[@andy6302]

Yi, WW take objectives on their own. Just saying

[@Plonom]

@@andy6302 yes I just pull out my patentet Yi Mid. Or WW Support.

[@frankc9250]

Remember buffing siege minions with that old ss and stacking it on the same one?

[@Fishbro]

Then they literally remove banner of command after "fixing a bug" AKA overbuffing the shit out of it. I can't comprehend why baron buffing a cannon minion into godhood is a bad thing. You get baron you win game. Seems fair.

[@mmorkinism]

Examples were not really baron problem but people just playing ARAM.

[@browsergameshub]

I have dozens of examples where I push side lane with baron buff while my team hard pushes mid and dies. I also have dozens of examples where I stay with my team mid (out of fear they hard feed) and the baron buff does nothing. The only reason I get baron buff is to deny it the enemy team. The one situation where I see baron buff doing something is when an inhib is already down and then we can push in super minion wave with baron buff.

[@rainbowpheanix]

why hardpush when you can watch super cannon minions destroy everything and the enemy just sits there and maybe try´s a bad engage. bueno.

[@browsergameshub]

@@rainbowpheanix I know man. It could be so easy.

[@zOwOdiac]

I thought this video was going to be about baron setup/baron throws, maybe a better title would be "why baron isnt winning you games"? idk just my feedback

[@sportshighlights3362]

Why kills is losing your games next please

[@gpavl1177]

Players prefer to team fight and lose instead of baiting the enemy and backdooring

[@lisamariewild2310]

TLDR: play 1 3 1 with baron buff

[@RealSolidusSnake]

This happens to me in silver games constantly, and I have to remind people I play with in discord that we need to push waves, let the minions do the work for us.

[@Sebastian-oz1lj]

but this is not fun mokey want fun monkey want fight

[@caiotn1204]

@@Sebastian-oz1lj exactly, my guess is that gen z turned league into a fking battleroyale, since that's the type of game they've grown up playing. but i may be wrong tho but i doubt it

[@superkitten5003]

As an adc main i find it hard to split this late into the game, If i try to split i usually will get caught at this point so ill ask a team mate to split in which they usually tell me no and then we lose. Is there anything i can do in this example? i think wu had a great opportunity to split but Kog isnt set up for that kind of play.

[@FabioDivino1129]

Maybe Go with your Sup

[@gsczo]

As an adc on even games you always follow and hover events created by your team, meaning, stay safe and close by, always farming and looking for opportunities to do damage, while at the same time paying full attention that the enemies are seeking out to catch you at all times, so outplaying that is mostly the difference between you and the enemy's adc, not even your damage in so many cases, just purely surviving. If you start to do things by yourself you're just a walking bag of gold waiting to die, any champion in the game, specially assassins and bruisers can kill a solo adc unless they are extremely fed with full items earlier in the game. In a meta where people get a bunch of random supports instead of actual supports makes the life of adc even harder since they won't care about you and you'll simply have to wait for the correct opportunities even more, if your support is a lulu, nami, braum, or whatever, and they also are focusing their attention on you then you can create waay more pressure in the game, without them forget it. Playing as adc is not easy for that reason, you'll lose a lot of games simply because your role doesn't allow agency enough, you need teammates creating space and aggro in the map at all times and specially teammates who are able to follow you through with cc and protection against engages so that your role can actually function, without those your opportunities are vasty smaller and usually winning or losing doesn't even reach the hands of adc in so many solo queue games, and usually the games that you get ahead to the point of creating pressure are ones created by your jungler early on, so jungle ends up being usually the role with the most agency despite them getting mad for having bad laners sometimes, adc is not weak in power, they're weak and irrelevant when it comes to organization and agency therefore you'll have to accept that you'll lose (or win) a lot of games in solo queue without even doing much at all, just do your absolute best at all times, those games where the enemies are threatened by an adc are the ones you should look out for, always hovering events and pushing towers when it makes sense to do so, with vision and control, never die randomly, farming and staying alive is top priority, and know your damage as best as possible to read every play that you can make, always respect your opponents, a fed adc dies to one cc by a random 0/7 support whereas a fed bruiser needs at least 3 people to kill them, adc ain't easy despite giving the impresssion that they are.

[@ceetee3370]

You're an adc. You don't split, you just collect side waves pushing onto your side. Never push too far by yourself, you ARE the pick target. Always go mid after lane phase unless you find a better play, but mid is usually your safe haven

[@walabixha1746]

Depends on what your champion is as well . If you're samira or nilah and you're ahead you can split with baron since you can 1 vs 2

[@ceetee3370]

@@walabixha1746 yea, but in general as an adc, you want to be in the backline freehitting the closest idiot

[@inhtuanphong8439]

people just said like Drake > Baron because is Drake is permanent buff while Baron is buff for a while and effect will gone at 90 or 120 second i think dragon is alway important than Baron .

[@sacrificed9783]

What's the name of that soundtrack?

[@6zwbob]

wait baron still gives ap and ad :P I though they removed that when they changed it from the big buff to the minion buff

[@kerrkeneez]

yoyoyo use the correct skins for the thebausffs page. where is the big ol' lumberjack sion?

[@foxnews114]

Just won a heap of games after implementing this video

[@a1n8f20]

So you have done a video showing us how drake are useless now barons a d I guuse towers will be the next

[@ReXiRa787]

8:01 it's supposed to be 6 waves per lane not 6 lanes per wave 🤓

[@andy6302]

There's no baron like a Belveth Baron. It guaranteed is GG. kill Belveth immediately after baron or lose. There's no 2 ways about it

[@johnf419]

I never got how this isn't intuitive in low elo Even as support, If their whole team is mid, I'll go in a sidelane to get a free tower if nobody else will do it

[@corneliurusu8598]

So you basically trade a tower for 4 of ur low elo teamates because you are not there to peel and turn the aram they choose to do . This leads to enemy get inhib mid rotate on dragon soul/ tower/ wathever and suddenly your team from being ahead is now super dead Am i picturing somthing you already experienced?

[@johnf419]

@@corneliurusu8598 lmao 😂, you’re hilarious Low elo don’t know how to respond, I set up vision and know well before if someone is rotating. If my teammate actually goes to a side lane I’ll stay mid It’s a different game down here, it got me a 68% winrate over 130 or so games so it works down here

[@Cross40Productions]

@@corneliurusu8598 can’t control bad teammates… John makes the correct play, even if he’s in the wrong role to do it… but if nobody else will then oh well, have to pressure elsewhere otherwise nothing gets done… and if your team chooses to int while you’re splitting because they suck, and you lose, well at least you didn’t waste more time playing with dogshit 🤷‍♂️

[@corneliurusu8598]

@@Cross40Productions but ur goal is not to prove a point or to say "see guys im right ur wrong and we lost the game" . Sometimes your play may be right in teory but on paper is the wrong one just probably because ur champ could had turn the fight or if ur support this means ur carry has basically 6 abilities less to play with. Your goal is to win the game no matter wath its ranked afterall

[@YoMateo.]

Who didn’t come from TikTok raise their hands.✋

[@adamhenriksson6007]

Whats the deal with the video and sound quality on this one, or is it just me?

[@I_am_Jek]

This should be an unskippable cutscene every single time baron is taken. These simps will never learn...

[@Lil_Dysto]

So this is why all my junglers lose the smite battle at baron, all planed

[@baddragon7057]

Ore no

[@simply.dreadful]

baron didnt lose the game, they didnt use it properly

[@ocskopf]

I just had an AFK Yuumi support with over one million point, so now I'm obliged to uninstall this game.Thanks for the tips you are giving here either way, they might help someone reach what they want one day.

[@Oscar-_-_]

I liked when the game was about choosing when to fight because death timers were so short that fighting without having minions or baron buff ready would basically not make the game progress. Nowadays it's just aram with extra steps, and dying after 20 minutes just means the enemy team can facetank towers and kill your nexus.

[@Sebastian-oz1lj]

for me death times should be even longer, like 2x times longer. maybe this woud make those monkeys stop inting

[@Fishbro]

I find it dumb as shit you can literally ignore all dragons and focus on getting a lead, enemy team gets soul and you let them get it intentionally so you can get elder and end the game?!?!?!?! Why does the team with 0 drakes get the same buff as the 4 drake team?

[@yoyo80s41]

but the jungler has wolves to do and the sup wants to secure top crab just in case, while the ADC needs to blow all the plants... otherwise it's just so obvious... In theory

[@joellee2442]

Gg!

[@rodneyg9527]

First

[@fighterpimp]

This is why I don't like getting baron. I've had games where I am losing badly. Enemy gets baron. I go behind them kill their waves and they waste baron and I end up solo carrying the game pushing 3 lanes myself as enemy can't catch me

[@rainbowpheanix]

which champ? i wanna do that too.

[@Cross40Productions]

Are you a garen player?