Why Battle Beast vs Allen Isn't Close | Invincible

[@KeyIssues]

Is that a Tylearned reference? Also, DanCo is still a plagiarist

[@Bman32x]

Since we have a couple deviations from the comic, is Allen’s gf the coalition traitor?

[@killmongrel3621]

Mr copycat over there coped your video

[@KeyIssues]

@@killmongrel3621he has a sickness

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT KEY 🗝 ISSUES INVINCIBLE ALLEN THE ALIEN VS BATTLE BEAST

[@danielpatterson5189]

He copied except he got it completely wrong. As usual.

[@AllThingsNerdiness88]

IMO if battle beast wasn’t the way he was and was an actual team member if him and Allen team up against thrag I think they could take him

[@MajicMarco]

I mean yeah Allen could have taken thrag alone and probably wouldn't have been hospitalized

[@KeyIssues]

Allen and Battle Beast put Thragg in a blender like Cap and Winter Soldier did to Iron Man.

[@Eye-Am-exclipse]

@@MajicMarcono💀

[@Eye-Am-exclipse]

@@MajicMarcoprime invincible = prime thragg and prime invincible low diffed Allen

[@boi-4216]

@@Eye-Am-exclipseyea no, invincible was closer to thragg’s power in there final fight and mark at the end of the series has been alive for a long time after that fight, making it obvious he was above prime thragg.

[@giannifois8948]

Everyone in Invincible universe: “I’m the strongest🤓” Old Mark:🤫🗿

[@KeyIssues]

EoS Mark is simply built different

[@cynicaltheastrocreep4504]

@@KeyIssues Human+viltrumite dna is the most powerful combination, Mark is also of the royal blood as well. He is the strongest character in the universe when he defeats thragg at the end. He literally defeats Allen when the new viltrum empire and coalition of planets go to war. When Robert Kirkman says Invincible can beat superman, he's talking about how Viltrumites get stronger as they age and mark is only like 20 years old when he is the strongest in that universe. Imagine when he's 500

[@tristanpelkey9109]

​@@cynicaltheastrocreep4504 500, 1000, 10,000 doesn't matter how old Mark gets. While he can beat some of the weaker versions of Superman, most versions stomp him

[@kazikhalid6197]

@@tristanpelkey9109only version of superman Mark can beat is probably the skinny one from flashpoint.

[@tristanpelkey9109]

@kazikhalid6197 Nah he could probably beat My Adventures Superman (The one from the new show) and possibly a few others that are escaping my mind rn. But point is yea he can't beat most versions of supes

[@roflmywaffles1313]

Never forget his warrior code permanently fumbled the war and led to Nolan's and Oliver's death

[@BobThePenguin.]

Honestly, Allen is the one who fumbled. If he had just let the ragnars be released after battle beast died, they would have killed him. He knew Battle Beast wanted a 1v1 so he should have known battle beast would help thragg rather than fight with the ragnars.

[@KeyIssues]

Bro really just wanted to d*e

[@KeyIssues]

@@BobThePenguin. no, that's completely wrong. Battle Beast's GF released them early. They were supposed to be released afterward which was Allen and BB's plan. She fumbled it.

[@roflmywaffles1313]

@@BobThePenguin. wasn't that the original plan but BB's girlfriend released them early?

[@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225]

he was also a coward who never fought thragg directly, always relying on others.

[@1hundred1]

Finally. EOS Allen getting the respect he deserves. He's too damn powerful.

[@KeyIssues]

The drip is off the charts as well

[@firdanharbima6997]

​@@KeyIssuessadly sitting way too long on the chair nerf him

[@DataZahard]

@@firdanharbima6997 once he gets another near death experience the zenkai he will get will be generational

[@assumingfrog7944]

I love the fact that in this series with reality warpers and super geniuses that build world-destroying weapons, the strongest characters are just dudes who are really durable and hit really hard

[@billbelicheat4499]

because they are vulnerable, but robot is the one who conquers earth and can defeat viltrimites

[@johnconnor8206]

Atom eve without her limiters the strongest in the series hands down

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@johnconnor8206 Rexsplode victim.

[@spiderlifter]

@@TheStraightestWhitest hell no

[@Tribrid-zv3nq]

There are no reality warpers in Invincible

[@rogergabbert7434]

Viltrumites are the Saiyans, but Allen is the Zenkai god

[@GhostOfAces]

Saiyan saga saiyans. If we are talking Goku and Veggie Boi, they are casually swatting galaxies and universe destroying attacks.

[@joshuahecht6866]

NDB aka Near Death Boost. Zenkai for DBZ Fans when it comes to permanent power up.

[@firdanharbima6997]

​​@@joshuahecht6866no???? Zenkai Are NDB Nvm I thought you're calling both are different

[@FC-nr4ot]

@@GhostOfAcesgoku and vegeta are planet level in the saiyan saga… probably around allen at his strongest.

[@Silliously]

Allen is like saiyan plus Darwin he not only stronger but also adapt to it like get explode and get fireproof

[@Handyrandy2233]

Something of note is that battle beast injured himself fighting thragg, although thragg was also injured,we’ve seen that viltrimites are extremely resistant, we’ve seen them hold their own guts in their hand and still able to fly and fight,so that cut thragg got probably didn’t make him that much weaker l,while battle beast most definitely made him weaker,and still fought till the end

[@KeyIssues]

yah i said that

[@eduardopliego497]

And thragg probably healed a lot by the end of the battle

[@marneuscalgar4943]

I love Invincible but the comics fanbase is one of the worst I ever seen lmfao, only speaking of power scale while it's absolutely not the point 🥸 It remind me of the worst of DBZ's fanbase lmfao try to understand the story before talk so much non sense

[@fica1137]

​@@eduardopliego497he didn't, Viltrumite healing factor doesn't work like that

[@Mr_Triscuit]

He would have definitely killed Thragg if not for his (idiotic) sense of honor and glory.

[@benjaminmhenderson]

Allen has some feats but I am annoyed how much Allen taunts his strength and really doesn't do much in the series. He's mostly tell don't show. The mark/Allen scuffle mark was angry but he wasn't TRYING to kill Allen he was just venting his anger with punches. Allen is stronger yes but it wasn't like it was some huge power gap either. We've never seen Allen pushed to his limits in a fight which annoys me. Who knows if he'd even have the grit and determination to fight for days? Everyone he fights is a friend or mostly nameless viltrumites. I love Allen cool guy but I wish he did have a true fight to prove all his words more concretely.

[@macvadda2318]

Mark is stronger than allen thi

[@spiderlifter]

​@@macvadda2318 end of comics yes, earlier no

[@doodgeslagenmug]

I hope in the show they give Allen more fights against interesting opponents but it seems to be going page by page.

[@chuxkp7512]

Really glad I found this page..i actually own the entire Invincible series but I haven’t read it to completion for a few years..this was a very good refresher

[@GMod428]

Allen all day. He doesn't even use his secret weapon in battle. He could easily get in his opponent's head. Play a few minds games. Then, take advantage of the opponent's hesitation.

[@KeyIssues]

Armored Allen one shots Thragg, but Mark is the main character so he let Mark take the glory.

[@tufo6306]

@@KeyIssues now that is a punchy claim

[@KeyIssues]

@@tufo6306don’t take my comments seriously, just the video

[@FitWitScience]

​@@KeyIssues Lmao

[@MamunurSiam]

​@@KeyIssues Now this is just ridiculous

[@nicks1459]

Me when I’m in a not reading the comic competition and my opponent is KeyIssues

[@KeyIssues]

Me when I’m in an irrelevant loser competition and my opponent is nicks1459 🫨

[@antogno4625]

Can you elaborate?

[@nicks1459]

@@KeyIssues It’s ok bro everyone knows you’re tweakin💔

[@nicks1459]

@@antogno4625 Simple battle beast has far better feats, as does thragg

[@mikonyx7712]

​@@KeyIssuesNarcissism much 🤔

[@Mikerille]

If battle beast didn’t nerf himself, and actually used his weapons, I’m sorry but he would’ve beaten thragg, honestly if his normal hits could somewhat blitz thragg, his sword would cleave thragg

[@nalapala_]

also unlike thrag he doesn’t have regeneration. on equal footing battle beast wins

[@Mikerille]

@@nalapala_ yup. Thragg was already regenerating his head, and eye nearly completely when battle beast died, and if you notice, battle beasts really ONLY injury, was the one he gave himself, which thragg used as a way to kill him. Without it, he’d stomp

[@dontawilliams8433]

@@Mikerillethat’s what I’ve been saying, the only visible wound on battle beast is the one he himself made, besides that there are no wounds

[@Chiefteeth1]

@@Mikerillebattle beast literally took damage from average viltrumite punches but you don’t think thragg could’ve? Lay off the crack pipe

[@Mikerille]

@@Chiefteeth1 that was battle beast YEARS before his fight with thragg dude

[@thejoabear]

I didn't believe you at first, but you made a lot of great points that I hadn't even thought of. You convinced me.

[@brandonlong8638]

Allen is secretly stroonger than Thragg, but decides to remain observant and politically sound.

[@nervz]

Bro is gojo.

[@deaconaligood]

then, then why did he employ BB to kill Thraag? because Allen simply can't

[@Goldendwarf1]

As mentioned in video, he is supposed to lead the coalition ​@@deaconaligood

[@deaconaligood]

@@Goldendwarf1 except if they were roughly the same power level, why didn't they team up to go whoop thragg?

[@Goldendwarf1]

@@deaconaligood they simply thought BB is enough (or at least they expected him to finish thragg on his own)

[@DragonoftheRust]

Machine head hiring Battlebeast is like Kingpin hiring Thanos

[@ltrain7715]

I just finished the comic and was kinda sad that EoS Mark didn’t have an absurd feat like pushing a solar system around to show how strong he really is

[@wambokodavid7109]

those are bullshit feats and i hate them.its why i nolonger take supes serious

[@ltrain7715]

@@wambokodavid7109 ok pal

[@anenclavetrooper9707]

@@wambokodavid7109it’s fictional stop crying

[@MicroSpecGamer]

that would make ssj2 teen Gohan vs Mark actually bearable and not a stomp... Heard that some powerscalers want beast gohan vs Mark....

[@7reasons617]

@@MicroSpecGamerDb has a bigger planet and and celestial bodies in general since it’s the same as Dr slumps earth, which is larger than the sun. Ssj2 Gohan would still solo.

[@guapoindustries5030]

Allen is stronger, just like you explained in the video, Allen taking on omni man to prevent omni man from interfering in Allen’s plans to use the scourge virus and him just casually beating omni man who is probably enraged to stop Allen proves it, dude is on Thraggs level until the end of the series where I say mark becomes the strongest since he defeats Allen

[@KeyIssues]

preach preach preach

[@1EdgarA]

I think Allen could have been stronger than Mark at the end, but he probably stopped training and getting into fights. I imagine Allen started being a politician and stopped fighting for the most part, unlike Mark who was maintaining peace across the galaxy.

[@onebitedino1765]

Allen only reached Thragg maybe after second power boost. Thragg is confident in easily killing Allen after the Viltrumite War, and it’s implied he wasn’t lying.

[@brothsipper-h5o]

​@onebitedino1765 It doesn't matter what Thragg thinks, it matters about the actual scaling, and Allen has been on Battle Beast and Thraggs level before his 2nd zenkai boost

[@onebitedino1765]

@@brothsipper-h5o No, by “actual scaling” Thragg still low diffs Allen. Nolan and Allen we’re losing to weakened Rognarrs, with Nolan saying they only survived because the Rognarrs were weakened. Battle Beast kills Rognarrs casually. Allen was struggling against Dinosaurus, Thragg no diffed him. Allen has struggled in fights against the Viltrumite general, who is weaker than Thragg by statements and feats. So no, Allen doesn’t match Thragg by scaling. At all.

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

Thing about Battle Beast is that he really lacks a lot of things that characters like Allen and Thragg take for granted He can't fly, and he doesn't have regenerative healing. If you fought him in space, and pushed him away from you, he wouldn't be able to get back and attack you again, hence why he has two clear loses in space. As for his fight with Thragg, he gave himself an injury that is objectively more dangerous to him than it would be if he were a Viltrumite. They have passive(though not extreme) healing, meaning that Thokk didn't even the odds to fight Thragg, he gave Thragg a handicap advantage. There's also the questionable point that Allen didn't go after Thragg with help from someone like Mark, and instead sent Thokk. If we're taking End of Series characters into account, then Allen wins, no doubt about that. However, given the fact that Thokk went from bleeding from above-average Viltrumite attacks, to 1v1ing Thragg while handicapped, I fully believe that had he lived, he would have increased in strength just as much as Thragg and Allen did. Overall, I would say that, given all 3 lived to the end of the series, and got the power-ups to match. That Allen, Thragg, and Thokk would all be relative to one another. With the winner in a fight between them only really depending on how you think Allen would fair against Thragg at the point when he and Thokk fought Allen does have a notable weakspot though, that being his eye. Conversely, I also don't think he'd be as willing to commit to an honorable duel with Thokk, and might just grapple with him until he can toss him out into space Edit: Also, just as a small note. I personally believe that when talking about same-series characters in a vs battle, that you should look at the characters as they were when both were alive. Like, for example. Android 19 vs Healthy Goku, you wouldn't look at that fight and use Goku from Dragon Ball Super, you'd use Goku from Android Saga DBZ.

[@vialsaya6590]

Kirkman has said before that the animated series is like a "second draft" in some cases, so who knows if that means something like this could happen

[@ExInfamous]

I think Allen could go toe to toe with Thragg but that he would ultimately lose as it would turn into a battle of wills. Mark beat Thragg because his spirit is indomitable and he was willing to die along with him if it meant he still died.

[@KeyIssues]

Allen was stronger than mark atp imo

[@MikeLitty69]

Yea but also maybe it would be smart for Allen to lose to Thragg...he would just heal up and return even more powered up. His whole thing is coming back more resistant and stronger to the thing that killed/almost killed him.

[@williamhiggins8906]

@@MikeLitty69true but thragg wouldn’t let him recover and he’d just finish him off

[@groscaramelmou2583]

​@@KeyIssuesyouare just trying too hard with no argument man..

[@eliluzgart8503]

while you make a good case for allen I think battle beast is stronger from multiple scaling options like when in invincible 88 thrag claims that even infected and weakend he could still speed blitz allen

[@KeyIssues]

Allen all day babyyyyyy

[@Chiefteeth1]

Allen literally fought comparable Enemies to battle beast. The difference is that Allen took no damage while battle beast did. The same attack that koed battle beast did absolutely nothing to Allen. It over

[@groscaramelmou2583]

​@@Chiefteeth1Allen never fought thrag

[@charlesdimaapas8688]

@@Chiefteeth1Battle beast can't fly and can't breathe in space dude, but he still held his own. One on One on even ground he claps everyone except thragg, Battle Beast's IQ when it comes to fighting outscales anyone except maybe thragg.

[@CameraPunk5049]

Allen being as strong as Thragg at the time he wanted to release the Scourge virus, would mean Thragg couldn't decapitate Allen and would mean he shouldn't have been affraid to battle him. Which for a narrative perspective doesn't make sense. I do consider him to be maybe stronger than Anissa at the time. But more than that seems vey questionable.

[@philipsilva8406]

Allen never wanted to release, he felt forced to but thragg and mark talked him out of it, he didn’t back down from the first 2 threats so why would he randomly decide to in the 3rd

[@CameraPunk5049]

@@philipsilva8406 Because Allen realized he would've died for nothing. Even if he were to bypass Mark and Thragg and release the scourge virus on Earth, The Viltrumites were ready to leave as soon he entered the atmosphere of Earth. And Allen knew he wasnt strong enough to take on Thragg, and the Coalition would lose his leader.

[@groscaramelmou2583]

Yeah, thinking Allen was stronger than thrag is absurd plot wise

[@Nah_id_win_883]

So we gonna ignore how thragg thretens to rip allen's head off before he can react and allen instantly backs down despite having help?

[@KeyIssues]

That’s not why Allen backs down. As Thragg already stated, Allen didn’t even want to release the virus but felt pressure to. He backs down after hearing Thragg out, not after the first, second, or even third threat.

[@onebitedino1765]

@@KeyIssues Crazy how you didn’t address the fact Thragg is implied to be able to easily kill Allen, which legit debunks the entirety of this video, and instead went to “that’s not why he backed down!”.

[@stephencox8723]

@@onebitedino1765thragg making a threat is implying he can actually make due on it? mark says he’s invincible all the time before he gets whooped.

[@onebitedino1765]

@@stephencox8723 Mark never calls himself Invincible as in unbeatable, but just reading the scene we see the writers intent. Come on bruh, Robert Kirkman, the story creator says Thragg is the strongest in the series and is second to none. Allen doesn’t stack up.

[@stephencox8723]

@@onebitedino1765 Allen flies into the sun that damaged mark and thragg severely unblemished. End of series Allen and Mark are clearly above Thragg. The creator saying Thragg is the strongest viltrumites doesn’t contradict this because Allen isn’t a viltrumites and mark is only half.

[@patrickbret1056]

A tierlist video would be pretty cool!

[@O.Revvy_88]

Allen was not on par with thragg or battle beast while they were alive.... he himself knew thragg could kill him with ease even while holding a gun that contain the scach virus, as he knew that even if he was able to hit thragg with it he would still kill him before the virus stated having effects

[@lucabarnardo6613]

Everyone out here debating on who’s the strongest between all the characters. I just want to know what the hell they put into that bomb to make it do THAT to Allen. Must’ve been mde by Oppenheimer 2 or some shit.

[@Bman32x]

Allen could take any viltrumite other than mark in the future and thragg to my understanding. Would have been interesting to see battle beast at full strength fight thragg at full strength. The fatal wound handicap made it “even” but there’s still no real way to tell how badly it hindered one or both of them.

[@KeyIssues]

could even take Thragg imho

[@achimpanzee9210]

I think it was intended that Thragg and Battle Beast be even, that’s how I think of it at least since they both have similar injuries, I get viltrumites are resistant to damage and can hold their guts and still fly off but Battle Beast is highly resistant to things like that too.

[@SHMOUSEY86]

The problem with Allen fighting any big fights is that from a writing perspective, there's only so many times that can happen before he'd be overshadowing everyone else. They only give him the single near-death experience/power bump, and it was too much power for him to gain in one go. I think it would have been much more effective to have him get in a lot more situations like that through the comics to slowly build him up to the level of power we're used to him being at. That way there would be some room for fun matches like Allen vs BB.

[@levnz]

love those kinda videos from you 👍🔥

[@KeyIssues]

Glad you like them!

[@dnmstarsi]

I'd be down for this fight. Or just Allen getting some 1v1 fights from other guys aside from the Graysons. Season 3 better squeeze in a good fight between Allen and Thokk.

[@KeyIssues]

I hope so, but I can’t wait for BB vs Thragg. I know they will deliver.

[@darrellhunna]

Good realistic breakdown. I appreciate your logic👍🏾!

[@triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771]

BB vs Allen post evolution (either first or second) is literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[@KeyIssues]

Allen the Hydrogen Bomb

[@onebitedino1765]

First evolution Allen gets killed. Thragg had full confidence in easily killing him by then, and it’s implied he’s right.

[@aab1254]

Generally agree with the video but just wanna clear up a couple points. Thragg didn't get a huge power boost, it's just that initially he was caught off guard and swarmed, while when he was showing an example, he was in control and using his far superior intellect and BIQ to beat the Ragnarrs. Also keep in mind that Battle Beast with his weapons cleared the Ragnarrs away with relative ease before their fight, meaning that according to this theory BB with weapons scales above Thragg. It's never explicitly stated if eos Allen is his strongest. Neither Mark nor Allen were taking that fight seriously and since Allen is a different species, we don't know if his aging works the same way as Viltrumite aging and makes him stronger (if anything, he'd be arguably similar to every other species, which gets weaker as they get older).

[@juliusfishman7222]

Yeah Allen could probably have taken thragg in my opinion , they could have gone toe to toe wonder why he never fought him instead of mark

[@KeyIssues]

No story if Allen breaks him in half smh

[@juliusfishman7222]

@@KeyIssues lol yeah

[@VotyDeo]

Easily your the best bro authentic quality content no worries bout those biters

[@onebitedino1765]

8:30 The flaw with this argument is your ignoring that Battle Beast could oneshot Rognarrs to. BB killed a Rognarr every time he hit one and took no damage from them. The argument “Thragg can oneshot Rognarrs so he surpassed Battle Beast!” doesn’t work because Battle Beast can do the same thing.

[@KeyIssues]

Let me clarify for you then. Thragg casually deals with them. Meanwhile, BB still gets hurt by lesser Viltrumites who do nothing to Allen 😌

[@onebitedino1765]

@@KeyIssues You didn’t “clarify” anything, the fact of the matter still remains the “Thragg beat Rognarrs, so he passed Battle Beast!” Is dumb considering BB can do that. Also “lesser Viltrumite”? Viltrumites don’t have set levels, that one Viltrumite did more to BB on his own than five at once. Crazy how you ignored that Thragg saw Allen’s whole Viltrumite war performance, but was still confident he could rip his head off and pop his eye before Allen could react, which Allen doesn’t disagree and it’s implied Thragg is right.

[@vaudevillevillain21]

​​@@KeyIssues That's not a clarification, you're comparing an obviously weaker battle beast to a prime battle beast(are we going to act like these events weren't years apart?). Are you going to argue those same "lesser viltrumites" can harm Thragg? And you're also blatantly ignoring BB's disadvantage in "0-gravity" also you're acting like Allen wasn't harmed by rando bounty hunters. Thragg>BB>Allen

[@KeyIssues]

Weaker? Based on what he’s thousands of years old

[@onebitedino1765]

@@vaudevillevillain21 He didn’t even talk about the topic at hand, went straight back to the Viltrumite War when its not relevant here.

[@Dimitriterrorman]

note that Thragg didnt fight back when the viltrumites attacked him, he couldve destroyed them if he wanted

[@KeyIssues]

Allen too

[@averageds3player699]

The thing about the battle beast vs thragg fight is, I can never get over the fact that thragg only seemed to be able to kill battle beast because of the wound that he gave himself, and the parts of the fight that we do get to see battle beast always seemed to have a slight advantage sure after battle beast died, everyone leveled up and he got left behind, but I'm not sure it's a big gap, thragg went from almost dying to one shotting the claw beasts, sure, but nolan managed to escape those beasts with much less injury than thragg had, does that mean nolan was stronger?

[@Penguinzero1]

Nolan wasn’t stronger. Just a better fighter

[@jaydonthomas427]

"This *is* a thing and if it isn't I will make it one because it should be" fair enough 😂 what an absolute goat

[@LaffyWaffy89]

If only got crossover from Invincible Universe and Image Comics Universe. I totally wanted to see a fight between battle Beast vs Pitt, but I'd be happy to see a video on who would win between the two.

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

Wait, Battle Beasts race is called Leonine? I thought his race was unnamed and fandom went with "Nekoparans"

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

Battle Beast and Thor would be best of friends consider both thrive in battles and wars but could you imagine tho a fusion of Battle Beast and Allan the Alien? It would basically be offbrand cyclops Lobo LMAO

[@84551]

I saw a Tier list in your video Superman vs Black Adam, do you intend to make a video explaining the tier list, or have you already done it?

[@KeyIssues]

No usually our videos explain them or build off other previous tier vids

[@maku3857]

Leave it to danco to post the same video in the same day😂

[@Aristotesm]

BB wasn’t bleeding against the viltrumites he was biting into them like he did Thragg You can’t say Allen is stronger when he hasn’t even been really tested & did nothing face to face with Thragg

[@KeyIssues]

the cope is insane. he is literally seen punched and bleeding in MULTIPLE panels throughout the series

[@Aristotesm]

@@KeyIssues if he did, he didn’t die or get weaker

[@yodogarou36]

@@KeyIssueshow can battle beast be relative to Thragg if a viltrumite other than him can make him bleed so easily?

[@dontawilliams8433]

@@yodogarou36yea, battle beast clearly got WAY more stronger than before. If he was weak enough to be hurt by some unnamed viltrumite then he would have gotten one shot by thagg, which is clearly not the case

[@yodogarou36]

@@dontawilliams8433 how would he get stronger?

[@CameraPunk5049]

Idk man, the feat of the destruction of Viltrum would be Multicontinental at best. Space Racer's gun did most of the trick as it can virtually punch through anything, and it was the thing that made the core unstable enough for Mark, Omniman and Thadeus to punch through. And even then they as Thadeus said they almost died.

[@KeyIssues]

The planet is much bigger and denser than earth. If you wanna argue the calculation, then go do that with the person who made it.

[@CameraPunk5049]

@@KeyIssues Yeah but the density of Viltrum Is not even twice that of Earth if i recall correctly. It was 1.75 times the density of the Earth. Again what did most of the trick was Space Racer's gun. It's unknown if they can indeed Punch through a Planet's core because: 1.- They only could destroy Viltrum because the gun Made the core unstable enough for them to punch. 2.- Had they been caught in the Blast radious, they would've died. So even if they can indeed Punch through a Planet if they don't get away fast enough the Blast radious can caught up to them and kill them. Which would mean their attack potency exceeds their durability. 3.-As i recall Viltrum was an old planet, the core was already unstable for them to try and do that

[@ianhugeballs]

​@@CameraPunk5049 sure but Thaedus is weak, like he pretty much got one shotted by Thragg right after they destroyed the planet, and Omni man was somewhat able to handle him even if they lost. and at that time Omni man>invincible. meaning Thaedus is the bare minimum needed to do that feat, and generally none of them were close to dying and even fought right after so they could do way more. so the others already scales higher. and Viltrum is way denser then Earth.

[@ianhugeballs]

@@CameraPunk5049 weak as in he died instantly to Thragg and only has that one feat so saying he is relative is pure assumption. still Omni man>Invincible even if it was little, and he still had to save Invincible a few times when fighting Thragg. and as showed the Gun mostly is like a laser or beam so it goes in a straight line, they are the one that blew the planet by going behind the path it made. so the issue is their AP exceeding their Durability which well is pretty damn normal in Invincible since the average Viltrumite can decapitate or punch through another Viltrumite rather easily.

[@ianhugeballs]

@@CameraPunk5049 they didn't punch through it though, this feat is pretty much just them flying at high speed meaning its a durability and speed feat that didn't require any kind of striking strength or anything along the side of that. imo its not a good feat to use in any debate generally.

[@cubanmslmachine4215]

I’m 99% sure kirkman was just messing with people with the whole invincible beats Superman thing

[@KeyIssues]

And I’m messing with this clear joke

[@ohno429]

Allen negs

[@KeyIssues]

light work for our guy

[@ohno429]

@@KeyIssues w video

[@dalucke8907]

Allen is brutally strong and durable. The only reason he doesn't shine more is his character. He is no warrior in heart, more like a kind dude.

[@0744401]

The viltrumites who destroyed Viltrum could only do it by flying directly behind the projectile of Space Racer's limitless gun. The limitless gun did most of the work - it carved a clean hole in the planet and they raced behind it to widen it before the pressure of gravity could close it back.

[@DonutGuard]

I just want to point out that Battle Beast casually - CASUALLY - one hands a sword that looks like it's the size of Guts' Dragonslayer.

[@nicholasnielsen251]

Keep up the good work! I love your content

[@Ben-hi3df]

Allen went form not being able to handle 1 viltrumite to being thragg level after the first zenkai boost. Then he gets ANOTHER ONE and he’s easily the strongest character in the verse until mark gets old and beats him

[@kleeklee4572]

Invincible is def not more powerful than superman 😂

[@dolphin-studio]

Which superman, I hate when people say superman as if there was only one. If you don't specify, it's a yes and a no. Or use the og superman that one that didn't fly in which case he dies.

[@Jsipki265]

@@dolphin-studio most versions can defeat mark.

[@ponquin]

@@dolphin-studioWhen people talk about a character, they usually mean the canon one of the one they are most familiar with.

[@eGemios]

@@dolphin-studiomost people aren’t nerds and don’t think to specify, literally like 70% of any version beats mark, golden age, Nu52, and Post Crisis shits on mark (while I do like mark more) he’s just badly outclassed

[@eGemios]

kirkman doesn’t actually believe that and I really doubt many people do, they just say it for satire

[@kylecollins3755]

Alan sounds like the nice guy version of Doomsday.

[@n64central]

Ngl, I’m surprised you didn’t make videos covering the mutants on X-men 97. Feels like a missed opportunity

[@benbaylis3977]

Considering that thragg implies that he could pretty much one shot allen + the fact that allen never tries to engage with thragg in a direct one v one i find it hard to believe that hes on thraggs level, if allen was equal to thragg i simply think he would have fought him, especially after weakening thragg with rognars. Id genuinely say pre mark v thragg mark is already about equal to allen by then, just a bit weaker than thragg as it is, and afterwards mark is undeniably stronger than everyone else without it being close, the issue with allens feats and strength is that other than a weaker nolan and mark earlier on he pretty much never fights anyone top tier except end of series mark who deals with him easily

[@KeyIssues]

Thragg implying anything means nothing he doesn’t know how strong Allen is. Idle threats

[@garwynrosser8907]

This guy's "weak point" is his eye!?! I thought it was depth perception.

[@doodgeslagenmug]

It would be cool if they let some of these characters fight each other for a bit in the show.

[@SerkeysTV]

"Incredibly more powerful" what top notch writing you got there. 😂

[@KeyIssues]

Thank you I almost passed 3rd grade

[@lopsidedpotato]

Just a note on the sun thing -- is it really a fair comparison when superman's powers come directly from the sun and viltumite's powers don't? Not saying mark wins or anything but it doesn't seem like a real direct comparison.

[@bigpig88]

Machine head told battle beast there was someone as strong as a viltrumite on earth, meaning omni man and battle beast was promised a battle with him, but what he got was invincible who he thought may have been the one

[@TheMegahontake]

Great video!

[@greyfoxzero]

The threat he poses is his capacity to become stronger after failure. That means that unless he is completely destroyed he will come back stronger than the opponent who defeated him. His potential to become the strongest is based on him fighting the strongest. Unless the opponent can ensure he is utterly destroyed (even if this opponent is superior) its best to not fight him at all.

[@the_well-known_stranger2275]

Really puts into perspective how strong end of series Mark is when best end of series Allen with seemingly relative ease, though it is possible that Allen got weaker over time due to age.

[@Jsipki265]

Allen is mostly made up of viltrumite dna he’s not getting weaker.

[@Benjamin69-k1t]

Btw, Thragg only fought the Ragnars after they woke up from their sleep meaning they were more clumsy and less dangerous

[@AyeAshh]

My goat Allen is cooking bro 🙏🏿

[@rybackunheardof4995]

The problem with the superman vs invincible argument is theres only 1 mark but 100s of varients of superman. Its not really a fair argument to use only the best qualities of multiple superman. And as you stated in the video invincible or mark may not be sun proof but battle beast wasnt immune to the vaccume of space but he still held his own against thragg. What im getting at is just because the sun hurts mark doesnt automatically declare superman the victor. Infact superman regularly loses fights against physically weaker opponets. Not to mention mark may be weak to the sun but superman is weak to a green space rock. So yeah i do think mark can beat superman especially after the time skip. But you are right we should see more feats of mark. Its also good to note that mark regularly survives body dismemberment where as i dont see superman doing the same

[@Dripmaster685]

Nice video Can u do: How powerful is DCEU doomsday How powerful is Thragg How powerful is Battle beast Conquest vs Omniman Thragg vs Allen (before the end of the season) Anissa vs Conquest

[@poutineausyropderable7108]

I might be wrong, but doesn't omni man wipe conquest?

[@GuanRytheFantastic]

Allen seems to be a good guy version of Doomsday

[@changyang1498]

I’m so glad the creator of invincible saying invincible can beat Superman is still around and pressing people not realizing they’re doing what the guy wanted

[@HopeReviews]

Great video BTW

[@djb9267]

What is the name of the music being used in the background?

[@Infinity1997-j4q]

Danco don't steal my boy key issues video key issues pinned please 👀

[@KeyIssues]

You know he is watching right now, the rat.

[@Infinity1997-j4q]

@@KeyIssues he is a bad rat bro

[@Bruh-co8sw]

​@@KeyIssuesHE LITERALLY JUST DID, LOOK AT HIS NEWEST VIDEO LOL

[@skilledharmish]

Allen will f*ck battle beast Not literally tho

[@KeyIssues]

true and factual

[@NoseHasEyes]

why not literally? 😈

[@skilledharmish]

@@NoseHasEyes uhh would be weird if a one eyed alein fu*ked a upright tiger , pretty weird

[@firdanharbima6997]

​@@NoseHasEyescause he's not gay

[@thomaskeery3039]

i hope they explore how battle beast gets in the prison in season 3 because he states he hadnt fought a vitrumite so something else put him in there?

[@deaconaligood]

Since no one else will mention it, I will you only tackled durability feats, you barely tackled any strength feats If Battle Beast is way stronger than Allen, so what if durability matters?

[@lordwatsonwatson3934]

I think Allen before he got his 2 final zenkai boost vs Battle beast would be a high diff fight for both sides depending on how much you think battle beast “nerfed” himself again thragg but other wise Allen just surpasses him completely

[@KeyIssues]

Considering the easy with which Allen defeats multiple viltrumites at the end of the series it wouldn’t suprise me if he basically trashed thragg also…

[@riveracolin9485]

The battle I would love to see is Omniman vs Conquest

[@funnywackysillyman7780]

Makes me wonder why he didnt double team thragg with mark

[@Veryveryinteresting23]

Why has no one ever made a thragg vs Allen video? We all know thragg wins but still would be interesting

[@magnum567134]

3:18. He beat that motherfucker with another motherfucker

[@stevein.]

Interesting, could you do the 4 horsemen of apocalypse (xmen) v the black order(mcu)

[@kaburudkiambi3389]

Do one for thragg vs Allen or am I the only one wondering?

[@KeyIssues]

Harder to say maybe one day I wll

[@justinsmith974]

Isnt this the same prison that held battle beast?

[@thamayor6324]

Allen maybe stringer but is he as fierce? Will he fight as dirty?

[@KeyIssues]

Battle Beast is the most honorable dude in the series. He’s not fighting dirty lmao

[@AlfredoPuente8]

So Battle Beast became Underused because of powercreep.

[@DominicPadlo-o9d]

bro is literally just built different

[@AlienSliker]

About beating superman, yeah. Its a funny thing, bc even in animated show of invincible where things were supposed to be fixed, there are a lot of dumb stuff like character have resists to certain damage and vulnerability to others. P.s. and yeah, invincible somewhat realistically would just be burned to death only by heat vision

[@matthewelvis5221]

0:40 when the sun-powered superhero doesn’t get hurt by the sun?

[@KeyIssues]

When the center of the sun is like city block level?

[@cold485]

​@@KeyIssuesgetting powered by the sun doent necessarily mean stronger. You can be powered by fire and turned off by water. Not to say superman gets turned off by water but you get the point. Thats like if i said supeeman is beated by kryptonite but thragg isnt so =thragg is stronger.

[@farhanamin95]

I wish we get Battle beast vs Allen or Omniman in the show but idk if the Robert Kirkman would make those changes.

[@reefferhemp9774]

Alan regeneration healing skills is like a saiyan 😁😆🤣🥃

[@damianstarks3338]

I like both these Invincible characters

[@dragonslayer101]

Sooo are we getting a donald Ferguson video yet?👉👈

[@pgspencethelegend6933]

Yo @Key Issues Danco made the same video as you my boy. He posted the same thing 2 house after you posted

[@KeyIssues]

He’s a loser 😭

[@wxyz2589]

7:22 that ass cheek needs help

[@MrAlex-mu5mw]

Allen is like that one guy who honestly could beat the big bad yet for some reason always looks for a reason not to do so or is more than willing to send other people to end their lives so he doesn't have, real shame too when you realize every one of his wins is against somebody much weaker than himself

[@fmrc93]

It's cause he can't beat Thragg. Allen isn't dumb, he knows he couldn't win against him.

[@MrAlex-mu5mw]

@@fmrc93 if he and battle beast jumped Thrag it would have been over, and not to mention people like hype up Allen at the end of the viltramite war and say he could have beaten Thrag instead of mark just because he jumped into the sun to save mark from dying, but you make a valid point that I didn't consider that being Allen making the smart choice and not fight people he know he can't beat or is unshore he'd win against

[@mrbad3036]

I guess Allen does have the potential to beat Thragg and Battle Beast if he fights them and they do not finish him off, giving him a chance to heal.

[@Iysraul]

9:43 for the people who wanna know the straight up answer