Why Bloons Lategame Is So Difficult

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[@TheGimbo]

Fun fact: Bloons actually gain a stun/slow resistance on hyper late game.

[@ZiYT4227]

on which round

[@epikgamer965]

Nooooooo

[@MrGrabReal]

​@@ZiYT4227 500+ or near that

[@MrGrabReal]

Shorts comments bugged again I guess I need ti fix it again....

[@Kevaca]

​@@MrGrabReal closer to 350 lol

[@silverdashhd644]

Back in BTD5 days, They just increase the amount of zomg in the each wave

[@Nhensler2468]

Everyone's laughing until the boat paragon gets brought out and insta kills it with one move

[@picklestheassist5233]

Bro I thought the same thing yesterday and the results aren't the best

[@hobomike6935]

The paragons don’t do jack lol. If you do somehow manage to afford one the DDTs still easily get by because of the speed and that NK still hasn’t fixed towers missing most of the projectiles

[@totallynothatguy1698]

@@hobomike6935once you get far enough, nothing but BADs are a problem because of all their immunities and resistances

[@crusaderthememer6523]

​@@hobomike6935what paragons are you using 💀 navarch instakills with its passive ability and can one shot any bad with its active

[@Master_Of_The_Void]

​@@crusaderthememer6523I know pirate lord can do 2 bass per round, so I'm guessing it's 4 for the paragon?

[@ebenezer-scrooge]

The most difficult part of the later rounds is the fucking insane amounts of lag, i have to wait like 4x the time just cos of it

[@joyul8216]

Exactly

[@GunZFoX]

Wrong. The most difficult part of the late game is find the mouse.

[@Dragonape12]

​​@@GunZFoX thats so true especially when doing a paragon on late game 💀

[@rurpz]

Unfortunately you will have to play on a pc

[@bernhardpyka4483]

you should see the lag in the 400's

[@CalamitasCalliope]

I can't wait to see how far people can get when all the Paragons are released

[@vyor8837]

They only allow 4 of them at a time.

[@CalamitasCalliope]

@@vyor8837 not in regular gameplay

[@Mister008Gaming]

@@vyor8837 The limit only applies to boss games, contested territory, and other similar modes. Freeplay doesn’t have the limit anymore.

[@RossLemon]

Not as far as you think. The freeplay ramping would most likely outdo the pace at which you could get max level paragons, so by the time you go them they would be pretty ineffective.

[@AshenPlayer]

​@@RossLemon This makes me think that the Boat Paragon will be the strongest free play paragon for the upcoming years

[@robertlupa8273]

I'm so used to playing on fast forward that a regular speed DDT feels ridiculously slow.

[@Iroh_314]

Same I cant believe some people don’t play with fast forward on

[@duusu2608]

​@@Iroh_314 Totally. It is annoyint in Co-op when people play the whole game without fast forward. It's good to slow down the close rounds, but otherwise don't waste time.

[@Iroh_314]

@@duusu2608 I full heartedly agree with that. Only slow down when its close.

[@MasterSonicKnight]

it becomes very noticeable when u get to around 200's, i could see the very slow bads becoming quite speedy on some of my first late game runs, and it gets to a point where u either have a couple of main moabs set on first or u just get sniped by DDTS (happened to me multiple times back in the days)

[@0bsidianPrime]

Makes mods like ascended upgrades really bloodly helpful, as you can keep up with the Bloons' growing health and resistances.

[@ImStian]

The hardest part (in co-op) is that you get disconnected/stuck reconnecting at around round 245.

[@nassir565]

I am on mobile and get to round 340 without that much lag, is your device powered by a potato?

[@user-is7td3rz5d]

So basically A Very Late Game Bad Ballon HP is a literal Boss.

[@aeonz1240]

The new megalodon loses the ability to instakill bads after round 149. They just can’t take them down at all anymore. They can take down a round 149 fBAD but not a 150 regular BAD which tells us that it’s round-based rather than health-based which I think is kinda silly

[@robertlupa8273]

It _is_ health-based, it just ignores fortification.

[@bird_obsession]

It actually IS health based, but ignores fortification. Additionally, without the Big Bloon Sabotage MK, it only instakills BADs up to around round 145, and to round 119 on Double HP MOABs.

[@dylan_1313]

The Bloons weren’t the problem, the game crashes on round 298 and I lost the save. It didn’t even count for my highest round

[@IlAntwanlI]

My game never crashed once, probably has to do with your phone

[@IlAntwanlI]

@@Jack-tu5zf okay nice, but what’s your point?

[@Mistermiyster]

That happen to me on round 311 on my poor little phone

[@dragonusmolamola4140]

@@IlAntwanlI it crashed on my computer

[@IlAntwanlI]

@@dragonusmolamola4140 lol

[@OnionRingsGaming]

The worst part is just the lag, no matter what pc specs you have, you WILL lag

[@whyusognarpgnarp]

Fun fact : In the settings you can find a projectile setting to turn them off.

[@echonox31]

That only turns off the visual. It doesn't help performance at all.

[@anidiot2238]

God imagine a BAD moving as fast as pink bloon

[@RossLemon]

Yeah I've only gotten to Round 309. Trying to get degree 100 paragons is tedious and frustrating and eventually the game just gets insanely boring at that point. It takes several minutes for a round to go by.

[@elihester1511]

Fr got to round 304 and sold everything because I was bored also I had like no monkey money so I might do it again once I get more

[@Patkall]

Paragons aren't the best late game towers.

[@elihester1511]

@@Patkall I definitely think paragons are 100% very helpful in late game me personally though I much rather get Adora than get geraldo and try to push for that degree 100 Paragon Tower I'd much rather just get a level 76 or 79 if it's Apex plasma bowmaster

[@mr.Kablamo]

As someone who had all degree 100 paragons, it's not worth the effort. Better get Ezili with her MOAB hex.

[@Patkall]

@@mr.Kablamo Adora is better, because she gives 100% attack speed to all Sun towers, which are the best ones to spam for super late game.

[@ryanwagner3890]

The real hardest part is waiting 5+ minutes per round even in the 100s.

[@wglsquad1552]

Bloons honestly lacks late game options, that's why I think they either need to introduce towers or make changes for towers like 5XX spike in which they increase the price by atleast 2.5x, but make it super good late game, it will make farming more important and will introduce many late game

[@shaydenprime275]

It wont make farming more important. In fact, once you reach r250 you can easily have 10m safed up. Money is a non issue at all

[@MrMeztar]

Could you make a video about how the max round in the sandbox is the highest round you ever reached and some strategies now to get a high value?

[@Patkall]

Go watch MackanRules.

[@Lt_Koro]

Strategies? Temple spam. Go watch MackanRules videos on reaching high rounds. He has a ton of helpful tips and tricks

[@Jack-tu5zf]

My sandbox can be set to 9999 but my highest round is 456

[@Yuckycoffeegrinds]

That’s why paragon buccaneer is a must have due to his ability being able to drag in bads

[@Gilberto_falsoII]

DDT round 300:I am the speed

[@rakenzarnsworld2]

Here are the changes: Rounds 101-140 are now pre-determined (Now RNG stuff on this round range removed, which makes it easier to prepare them. However, there are some tricky rounds like 131, 138 and 140.) Freeplay formula on rounds 125-150 decreased from 0.20 -> 0.15 (R140 fortified BAD health 232,000 -> 200,000) Freeplay formula on rounds 151-250 decreased from 0.50 -> 0.35 (R200 fortified BAD health 1,312,000 -> 960,000) However, they buffed health ramping past round 250. Now rounds 300+ got really insane.

[@ShadowBulb]

Its hard until you beat round 2,147,483,647, after that it goes infinitly upward and you get inf rewards

[@drimix9192]

I hit round 300 on my laptop Tbh btd6 Late game is just a way to test your pc or other device

[@ilonull980]

Oh, now I know what are those black light, that zoom trough my screen

[@Lt_Koro]

If NK would make a few changes it would get more fun and popular. First: make it rewarding. I'm not big on game design so i dunno what would be good, but just something to make it rewarding to do. Maybe a gamemode like the og contested territory from BMC or like races but for reaching high rounds. Second: make it less laggy. Whatever may cause the lag - change it. And give us an option to turn projectiles off or transparent or something anyways, cuz actually seeing where bloons are helps massivly with ability timing. Third: stop making freeplay harder and harder like every 5 updates. And please make it easier again, so that r500 is achieveable without using powers (which was possible until the most recent freeplay change).

[@rakenzarnsworld2]

NK: We made rounds before 250 easier. Instead, we made rounds 300+ much harder.

[@phil8910]

NK literally does not want you to play the game like this. they arent going to add new rewards

[@fingersniff5520]

Lol no

[@Hexie094]

I miss release boat paragon that could carry you to past round 400 t. someone who got to cubism round 420 just to have the funny number on my profile

[@SomeoneYouCanCallAFriend]

you have been making tips since after 2 months of the initial release of btd6. you are very determined and i love it 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@chadbroski0146]

the hardest part is not getting bored :/

[@Free-4554]

Round 300 DDT looks like a normal DDT on fast forward

[@rakenzarnsworld2]

Nope it's R138 DDT on fast forward

[@DeadlyPhoenix2772]

Okay... I knew the Bloons got stronger later in the game... But I didn't know they get got THAT strong.

[@hellboy19991]

NK buffed late game over and over again. When the game first came out you were able to easily hit round 1000 and were even able to hit the bloon speed limit at round 800-ish, where they stop getting faster but only gain more health.

[@rakenzarnsworld2]

@@hellboy19991 Round 500+: +500% health every round I don't think Round 500+ might be possible even we can use 15 paragons.

[@Potato-su8us]

The hardest part is the lag

[@hellofellowgamers4214]

boss events: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power

[@Gremlin_bryson.]

Boat paragon:what is loveee

[@Logia_]

The worst is the lag, usually I go to around 130, after that the rounds will be always longer

[@dtniland]

at round 600 a fortified bad has 40 million hp for just the outside layer. that is more than elite bloonarius but without the elite boss damage buffs

[@RandomAssRat]

The round 300 ddt is basically mid game ddt send in btd battles 2

[@michaelluzier7683]

Navarch passive grapple go brrrr

[@dracotain]

The buccaneer paragon laughing in the corner

[@allymcgee6933]

Near seven hundred round bads having more hp that a Ballonarous:

[@KyryloMudrokha]

Go navarch of the seas and BMA to carry you late game, they insta shot regardless of health or speed and it's the only thing that is getting increased throughtout the lategame.

[@shaydenprime275]

Too many bads, can only one shot 2 of them per round

[@Mr.Porkchop01]

bad turns into a normal ddt

[@nian7126]

bad bloon late game: haha!! you're gonna die!!! paragon buckaneir:

[@SashMian]

Round 999 DDT: *game over*

[@NoppawitP]

Thanks that explains why i was doing fine on 250 and suddenly struggling on 270+

[@trplngzz]

Monkey Buccaneer t6: are you sure about that? -last famous words

[@joost6994]

I remember when a VTSG could solo over round 500

[@marklaurencejuguilon9781]

literally a boss bloon there

[@xann2681]

The only time i go afk is because of my game running 1 fps by hugh rounds

[@postboypiccolo1716]

i was simply staring at her incredible genetics

[@dianhuazhou2884]

Navarch of the sea: ez BAD 🗿

[@littlemacisunderrated412]

They were easier in btd5 too because of the bloonchipper’s stalling. But even the best of btd6 stallers can’t stall bads. No tower can instakill it forever either. Boat Paragon and ezila(sorry if I misspelled that I never use her) are the closest. But they have limits on how many times they can be used per round

[@GXT_ROGUE]

Me getting to round 100 in battles 2

[@Your_Local_Animator420]

buccaneer monkey paragon: *pathetic*

[@derp24lordz]

Got to round 200 last night and was like "eh, im tired, its 1 am, and these rounds keep getting longer and longer with no end in sight" and ended it there since it used to be a coop game

[@rocketpower4127]

I’m on round 255 and it is basically only fortified bad bloons

[@sav_wes5763]

This is wild

[@kylebarvel]

Another thing that makes freeplay hard is lag and that the cursor gets blended in not to mention space is finite

[@stefangames3337]

Bro ive seen so many kids say Oh HEs fAKinG HEs JusT sPeeDinG Up tHe gAme LOOK AT THE FUGING LEAVES THEY ARE MOVING AT THE EXACT SAME SPEED

[@bm-zy3gv]

Ezili, Nevarch of Seas, 5th tier Top path beast handler.

[@echonox31]

When I first started bloons (BTD Battles 1 was my first game), I didn't realize the moabs get stronger and faster in lategame. I thought I could spam Ray of Dooms and as long as I can kill a ZOMG without moving the rays, I'll be able to survive any round.

[@thmsrng]

navarch ability: *haha yes*

[@Goldenratioenjoier_]

And that, my students, is why you'll need to study logaritms

[@NoNameProduct]

Thats why i rounds started taking so long once i hit round 300…

[@Consumer_of_small_children]

fun fact: a ddt on round 1107 goes over spikes

[@MafiaDogCell091]

If you wanna get rid of ddts, get XXXL Bloon Trap

[@slice0fsoup]

I just started BTD6 a couple months ago and the highest round I’ve gotten was 181, the lag was so unbearable I kept crashing and also I couldn’t upgrade or place

[@DARRKNESS99]

I don't really enjoy late game cuz of the ridiculous lag and cuz it becomes less about strategy and more about overwhelming force

[@RoukRouk-lp3tv]

Boat pargon who can one shot any ballon:🗿

[@shaydenprime275]

Can only hook in 2 bads. Round 200+ has many bads per round

[@EEVEE_fan16]

This explains so much …

[@thegreatboys5215]

Boat pargons on round 400 with bad 😎

[@cassianbach9059]

My Brother got to round 353 before most of the Paragons came out

[@Elalechi]

Buccaner 555: 🗿

[@nintendomario007]

Made it to round 263 with boomerang, dart monkey, and engineer paragon before the DDTs got too fast.

[@RR_Remi]

You should have gotten buccaneer ninja and dart since they can do a ton of dmg and would use Geraldo for paragon totems and early def and Quincy figure and if you can get every other paragon and would get like buc and ninja and maybe dart degree 100

[@hellboy19991]

funfact: round 263 is the final round that is random, it is effectively a round 63 with cerams replaced with moabs and leads replaced with ddts (and ofc the ramping). on another note: i miss the old 163. back when certain rushes like 63 had 0 spacing in rushes. that round had at least 1000 ceramics stacked on top of each other. not even solver had enough in the tank to deal with them. nowadays they have something like 0.1 spacing making it super easy for a lot of towers

[@rakenzarnsworld2]

@@hellboy19991 Round 263 has only around 100 fortified DDTs with normal spacing, hundreds of MOABs and fortified MOABs with very tiny spacing. (Some MOAB groups are stacked) However, the glaive lord can shred round 163 alone and degree 100 glaive dominus can shred round 263 alone.

[@rakenzarnsworld2]

@@hellboy19991 Round 63 + Round 138 + Round 139 = Round 263

[@EliteMonkey11]

Boat pargron:🗿🍷

[@JakeMorris-vh4cx]

the absolute goat

[@Jamiejamiehamie]

I’m quite new and when I got to round 200 I died and didn’t even see the DDTs because I was on speed

[@isuckatusernames4297]

for me, it's more that it's tedious and not fun. like, all the moabs and stuff not only take forever to kill but there's just no more big batches of bloons to pop.

[@le_carpet8256]

Not to mention the fact that they xan also be fortified (making a BAD almost impossible to kill)

[@DerShadowDuck]

Haha mads and under no problem for Buccaneer Paragon

[@NexusKirin]

DDT jumpscare

[@Isometimesexplain]

I just realized how powerful paragon are got to round 207 with nothing but a perma brew 2-4-0 village and a boat paragon lvl 29 and wizard paragon lvl 29

[@thebackhand7874]

If you have trouble with zomg’s and under get icicle impale on ice monkey it destroys and slows them down a lot

[@xxxburke]

Late rounds used to be hard, before paragons. But as everyone else is saying, lag is the real problem. They need a setting for lowering quality or something.

[@shaydenprime275]

Its still hard, paragons arent that great vs non boss bloond

[@miguelboehm7659]

The highest i made is was 201 and i got so bored i started removing monkeys just so it'll end bc the Bloons couldn't leave the spawn 😂

[@NomercyIsGood69420]

A round 80 elite bloonarius: amateur bad in round 400

[@nikolaiorr8383]

My personal best is round 200. That's also all I'll ever go to, I had so many high damage towers active, including thr dark true sun God after round 190 and a ultimate engineer monkey. Round 200 bad's are insane

[@uhhhhhyeet5491]

i saw the bormal ddt and im at 340 about and i was stunned

[@boxoid5230]

Navarch Of The Seas :

[@AlsoStuck]

Navarch, 3.0.0 cannon, etc

[@ken6056]

Your defense isnt the problem Its the lag

[@Thewolfblaze743]

Hard: ❌ Lag Hard: ✅

[@diamondplayz2145]

Good luck on trying to beat a round 400 BAD with just vanilla towers. OK it could probably be done but I’ve never attempted to do it.

[@affa4]

I got to 406 then decided to black border the map

[@bernhardpyka4483]

I am currently at round 459 on logs and the only problem is the speed and hp of BADs and FBADs. Anything below gets onehit anyways by BMA or navarch. The lag is really bad, i have like 5 fps but once you get techbots to automate abilities or if you have lots of time and a decent pc you can get to 400+ easily. Most important towers are Ezili to oneshot BADs, vtsg, all paragons on lvl 76 / 79, many Sun temples, bma, grand saboteur and grandmaster ninja with 20 shinobies and super buffed (btw that is stronger than the ninja paragon)

[@a_random_person_lol_bruh]

Pretty insane but imagine how it’s like in bed battles with Moab ramping ☠️ no paragons, no tier five towers, just pure skill with three or four towers

[@gurkmeja1235]

It’s like playing multiple elite, superspeed bloonarius every round

[@hellboy19991]

also paragons don't gain their boss and elite bonus damage since bads are not considered bosses ;)

[@rakenzarnsworld2]

@@hellboy19991 Round 300+: Super reinforced B.A.D. tower defense

[@hanyo5789]

Basically tier 3 bosses elite multiple per round

[@BoredFreshman]

I'm not getting to round 250.

[@Gunnario]

I can probably get to round 300 but in the mid 200s i just get bored and stop playing on the save file