Why Boeing Built The 717 And What Makes It Special

[@cybersquire]

The Dc-9/717 series planes are an underrated engineering marvel. Part of the reason Boeing dumped the design is they didn’t like it “competing” with the 737 (which it really wasn’t as 737 was getting larger and larger). The fact that many airlines are literally flying their fleets into the ground 20 years after the end of production shows what a great design it is.

[@widget787]

The projected MD-95-50 / 717-300 would have been a huge sucess.

[@donjones4719]

The fact that the basic airframe was designed in an earlier era is a big plus for the frequent take-offs and landings of the customers mentioned. The engineering margins hadn't been shaved down by computer aided design, so it's very robust.

[@JETZcorp]

Another factor on the structural end is that it's a McDonnell Douglas aircraft. McD had a number of failings, but building strong, durable airframes wasn't one of them. They engineered and tested their planes for more hours and more cycles than Boeing or Airbus. For an airline like Hawaiian doing a huge number of short hops, that is a massive advantage. They found that out the hard way after they fatigued some 737s to death (literally in one case, sadly) well before the anticipated number of years. If you replace your airplanes after 10 years in order to get the greater efficiency of new models, this long life is no advantage; it just costs more. McD excelled where long life mattered. That's why so many cargo airlines still fly ancient, indestructible, but heavy DC-10s.

[@kcindc5539]

Anyone noticing a theme here? Boeing abandons brilliant models like the 717 and the 757 that airlines are desperately clinging to for lack of viable options. The A220 is disposable compared to the 717, and even the mightiest A321, while more fuel efficient, is no match for the ridiculously powerful, reliable, versatile and bulletproof 757. Yet Boeing treats these still-desirable birds like a regrettable one night stand. Because clearly Boeing knows better, right. I mean the 737 is the only aircraft you’ll ever need….right?

[@Pdmc-vu5gj]

@@kcindc5539 Boeing make horrific decisions. Poorly run behemoth.

[@pbertf24]

I have About 9000 hours as a captain in the year 717 and it was an awesome airplane quite , good performance , fuel-efficient and a superb avionics package . It had all the attribute of its grandfather the DC9 which I also flew .

[@adsmith122]

it really is a beautiful plane inside and out

[@MrQuest321]

My most favorite plane flying today. Those engines are so nice.

[@NealAhearn-h5m]

I love Boeing 727 lots but never flying 717.. United Airlines don't have 717 grrr..I know 717 are beautiful plane

[@toodlepop]

@@NealAhearn-h5m i've never flown on the 727 but i imagine it felt like a more fun 737 at the time?

[@DeanBNE]

Boeing: "meh there’s no money in the 100 seater market. Dump it" Airbus: "thanks”

[@youbestbequiet]

Airbus $30 a share Boeing $130 lows $600 highs haha Dump the bus

[@galileogalilei7844]

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[@youbestbequiet]

@@galileogalilei7844 Lower taxes, record high employment, actual fair trade deals, troops being pulled out of bullshit wars, justice reform, UN and NATO finally being held to account....Yeah, we were tricked hahaha

[@youbestbequiet]

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[@1_lens_view]

One thing is for certain: there’s no money in and rarely a good reason for cataloging unprofitable widgets, and this one didn’t sell. Unless the fortunes turn around for the A220 series, it’s headed for the same place: the history books.

[@jasonhoch7105]

I’m a delta million miler, and every single time I saw I was flying on a DC9 variant, I was beyond happy...Flights were never delayed due to maintenance issues, and the 2x3 layout is superior. Plus, it was always a treat to be on a plane that had character. I’ll miss the DC9 days at Delta for sure...

[@eightys4ever]

Jason Hoch , Yes! Only a 20% chance of a middle seat. This is always a plus.

[@dewpont18]

Any aviation "nerd" will know that the DC-9-30/40/50 transforms into the MD-80/88/90 which again transforms into the B717. It's similar to a Pokémon evolution from basic to advanced form.

[@socialray4252]

Thank you fellow nerd!

[@dewpont18]

You're welcome fellow nerd!!!

[@Rick5040]

MD-80/89/90 should read MD-80/88/90

[@dewpont18]

@@Rick5040 I didn't even notice the mistake. Thank you for the heads-up!!!

[@socialray4252]

@@Rick5040 it was probably just a typing error. 8 and 9 are pretty close together.

[@ChrisZoomER]

The 717 might be one of the most underrated short haul jets out there.

[@natep8153]

Last time I flew one Airtran existed.

[@ChrisZoomER]

@@natep8153 I've flown them with Hawaiian.

[@memeloser2376]

The 717 is probably the most underrated passenger aircraft ever built.

[@ChrisZoomER]

@@memeloser2376 That along with the 767-400ER perhaps.

[@ChrisZoomER]

@Matt Clayton Just as I have flown a few Hawaiian routes with them.

[@TheShowblox]

The 717 is one of my favorite Boeing planes! Very underrated!

[@RedBeardedLife]

Flew on the 717 a few times during the AirTran days, mainly between RIC-ATL. Always thought they were fun to fly in

[@Gnaw85]

Steven Ward I was lucky enough to fly on them a couple of times on Delta last year. The windows are huge even by modern standard and they fly really smooth.

[@johngrave5554]

@@Gnaw85 how is the noise?

[@solracer66]

Kenneth Wang We flew MSP-TOR in one back in 2018 and were quite happy with it. But we were in the exit row and not near the engines. I always liked the MD-80 too.

[@rylans.5365]

@@Gnaw85 I am lucky to live in Hawaii and I can fly inter island on these!

[@Maxwell1989]

@@rylans.5365me Too they are great

[@alexp3752]

The 717, one of the finest aircraft ever built... But then again, it was a Douglas aircraft. Former airline VP/technical director

[@widget787]

Boeing missed a HUGE opportunity with the 717 IMO. Not building the projected MD-95-50 / 717-300 was a mistake. This airplane would have been a big sucess and a lot of "Blue Chip" Airlines wanted it, but Boeing does not wanted to hurt the 737-700/-800 sales with that airplane. The consequence was that most of these Airlines interested in the 717-300 ended up ordering Airbuses. A 717-300 would have made the whole 717 program a lot more attractive. Of course Boeing would have lost some 737 sales, but also they would have got some orders from Airlines that now ordered the big Embraers and Airbus.

[@randygeitgey2280]

AirTran was trying to get Boeing to build the 717-300. Boeing, instead, steered them to the 737-700, and gave them a great deal on 100 of them.

[@dougball328]

If it was such a great airplane, why didn't anyone buy it? You don't keep building something that no one wants. And yes, twenty years later the market is different. 717 would be a dog on fuel burn per seat today.

[@widget787]

@@dougball328 because the 717 was unattractive as a single size aircraft -- just as I wrote it a whole 717 family - at least a -200 and -300 - would have made the 717 far more attractive.

[@RussellD11]

MD bought Boeing with Boeing's own money.... True story, All MD management came over , took over and Boeing quality went down from there....

[@davidjolley2468]

Just another example of Boeing's former CEO pandering to Wallstreet. Hopefully that's all in their past.

[@derbagger22]

I loved flying AirTran because it was easy to upgrade to business class for little money. The time I was stuck in economy, it was still a comfortable trip. Glad Delta is sticking with them... hopefully as who knows with this crisis...

[@azmike1956]

They may get more use than bigger jets for a while.

[@johniii8147]

DL is phasing them out by 2025 and already got rid of third of its fleet of 717's.

[@AviationAlexTravels]

I used to fly airtran and even in economy was amazing. Wish it was still around bc then we would all still be flying the 717 all the time!

[@jiminycrockett6022]

Delta’s 717s came via Southwest. Southwest bought out AirTran but had no interest in AirTran’s fleet of 717s. So Southwest unloaded them to Delta.

[@ChessieSystem1973]

Which AirTran came from an airline that we don’t mention (ValuJet)

[@hewhohasnoidentity4377]

@@ChessieSystem1973 which has been reincarnated as Allegiant

[@ChessieSystem1973]

@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 Yes

[@markiangooley]

I used to fly AirTran a lot for some years and rode a lot of 717s. They were great! Recall some good trips visiting a friend who lived near HPN, some visiting relatives near BMI, various other places. I don’t think I’ve flown on a Delta 717 though Delta is now my usual airline due to circumstances.

[@chrisreisinger4935]

Absolutely brilliant plane. Amazing safety record, flight deck has aged very well with today’s technology, and is very quiet if seated in the front. All around a great little airplane that serves its purpose well.

[@fha1885]

I flew on the 717s predecessor, the DC9, back in 1985...lovely plane. Spacious and very quiet! Cabin crew were gorgeous too, Spanair, Cardiff Wales to Teneriffe. Great flight, nice plane.

[@peterkelly8953]

This is my favourite configuration. Boeing missed a golden opportunity to build a world beater

[@dougball328]

It was such a world beater that no one wanted it. Like the DC-10 / MD-11 when the orders stop, the production line stops.

[@sergiolaurencio7534]

I wonder if there still time to make it back. A modern 717 could be so

[@planesofhawaii]

797!

[@dcniner0187]

Hi. I worked on every DC -9 built all MD80 series and MD90 and MD95 also on DC10, KC10 , plus MD11. The DC9 was designed at Long Beach by DAC. One of the first customers, with a large order , was Air Canada. Because of their order all DC9 wing production was given to DeHavilland Canada. Their factory was at Malton Ontario, at Toronto International airport, now Pearson airport. All DAC and McDonnel commercial wings from then on were built at that plant . All of those wings were shipped by rail to Long Beach. When DHC could no longer handle the program DAC stepped in and started DAC Canada. Later on DAC merged with McD. When the MD95 program started it was a joint venture with Hyundai of South Korea. Hyundai wanted to get into commercial aircraft. Wings were built at the Canada plant and in Korea. The wings were shipped to Palm Dale CA for marry up and then again by road to Long Beach for final assembly. Boeing then took over, finished off the remaining aircraft and then shut all McD production down and changed the model name to 717. The Canada factory was demolished. The same factory where the famous Avro CF105 Arrow was built. dcniner01.

[@alexp3752]

Thank you for the info. I spent plenty of time with the 717 in production in Long Beach as airline rep/VP. After the initial bugs were worked out, I just adored the aircraft. At the first flight i got to know the German professor who designed the BMW/RR engines, which were marvelous powerplants. I was a bit hesitant with a Korean-built wing, but I came to appreciate their desire for quality. The plane was a wonder to fly, operate and maintain. In short, if I could have chosen a personal aircraft for myself (if I could ever afford it), without doubt it would be a 717.

[@mgtowacademy8433]

I love hearing stories like this, it’s quite unique and you can’t get these POVs from many other sources. Thank you for sharing, it’s greatly appreciated 🤝

[@keithfreitas2983]

Good to hear about people that worked for MDC. I was a FAA Flight Dispatcher Flight Ops Test and Production 1988 to 2002. Dispatched most of those aircract including the T45, UHB, C17 and got ride jumpseat on some production flights. During production flights went out over ths Pacific in an area called W291. Then over to Palmdale for landings and final max braking test at LGB. Spent time in Yuma at the Test Facility and some of us supported the T45 at Pax River, C17 at Edwards AFB and any aircraft the went on tour and flight planning the Make A Wish flights out of LGB.

[@bobfish3176]

I remember when Boeing bought MD and the mechanics were so happy that Boeing was "saving us" I told them they bought MD just to demolish it they just wanted st louis for the fighter jets and steal the over funded pension plan Boeing destroyed a great company! But the funniest part is when they started calling the DC-3 The Boeing DC-3

[@glennvonk719]

Nice to hear from fellow Dougloids. I was on the nose join team 510. Built hundreds of MD-80's before moving on to the C-17. If you worked in hanger 13 we had to have crossed paths.

[@Negativity808]

I'm from hawaii good to see our airline

[@handywijaya3689]

Thank you Simple Flying for fulfilled my request to make the video about Boeing 717 Cheers!

[@kungfulender8733]

I flew on a few in Hawaii and you can tell it's a very sturdy and reliable island hopper.

[@K1W1fly]

Flown in one in Australia. awesome airliner - lots of room, very comfortable and goes like a rocket!

[@trrollinson]

I have flown this a few times in australia and found it more comfortable and a smoother flight than the 737 and A320/319 counterparts. Australia has just refurbished its fleet with upgraded interiors and technology so I foresee them being around for the next 10-15years in qantas’s fleet.

[@Omegadoomship]

I flew on Boeing 717 a long time ago. What I remember about it is how quiet it was in the cabin. All the noise was behind you instead of right next to you with wing mounted engines like on a 737. I also remember there was only like 10 passengers on my flight which was kind of strange so we were free to roam around the cabin like it was our own private jet. They also served us freshly baked chocolate chip cookies which was a surprise. Since then I haven’t had the opportunity to fly in another 717 since they have been retired by many carriers by now. All I’ve ever flown since then were 737 and an occasional A330. And boy are they much noisier in comparison to the 717.

[@Airplanegirl0288]

Just like the Airbus A318, I think the Boeing 717 is very cute and adorable 😍

[@techhelpportal7778]

An the 220 ?

[@amjkodaz]

Embraer E175?

[@heliosvz6327]

I am so lucky to fly on 717s frequently as I live in Hawaii, and Hawaiian airlines flies their 717s between islands. Magnificent plane, such a shame that it wasn’t built more.

[@joudymarsyaarifin]

love your channel man, and the way you narrate it

[@TheLifetraveler1]

Well, you will be glad to know. I have heard from a reliable source, that Delta will be bringing back some of its 717 out of storage. I like that plane. It was one of the few rear engine mounted plane, that was quiet enough that I could here myself think.

[@JorgeFernandez-sx6el]

As a McDonell Douglas lover, I am hereby paying respect to this bird, which has the MD-80 Series aerodinamics (fighter-like behaviour), MD-11 style glass cockpit, 737 style overhead panel. Simply the perfect mix.

[@QalOrt]

I've never been on a 717, but I've been on an MD90 and I loved flying on it, fast and steady.

[@keithfreitas2983]

Same aircaft built by MDC

[@michaelmichniak7287]

That is not possible unless you were a test pilot for McDonnell Douglas and this was before they merged with Boeing! When the B717 was introduced by Airtran, it was a B717, it was never the MD-95! You may have flown on a MD-90, a much longer aircraft produced by MD.

[@QalOrt]

@@michaelmichniak7287 looking back on it it was probably a MD90

[@DeltaEagle7700]

I love that plane! The engines are very quiet and the 'deck is awesome! And actually in Hawaiian's case, the 717 can only go to the major airports in the Hawaiian Islands (Kahului, Lihue, Kona, Hilo, and Honolulu.) It's unable to go to Molokai, Lanai and Kapalua due to the airport environment, restrictions, and location.

[@HSMiyamoto]

Yeah but those are the bigger destinations. Moloka'i and Lanai are reachable by ferry boat from Maui.

[@DeltaEagle7700]

@@HSMiyamoto True, but I don't think it beats the view from above lol

[@Chorizo727]

For a time in the early 2000s, they did fly the 717s into Molokai and Lanai. Both weight-restricted. Their earlier DC-9s we’re a common sight at these airports.

[@jiminycrockett6022]

A few of the aircraft clips in this video are DC-9s or MD80s. The 717 is easily identifiable by its squared-off top of the vertical stabilizer.

[@FSM_Reviews]

True. Because in some parts he was talking about said aircraft and/or related products.

[@eightys4ever]

A carryover from the MD-90. Many parts are interchangeable from the DC-9 all the way through the MD-11.

[@JETZcorp]

A few later MD-80 series also had the squared-off fin. I want to say MD-87 and MD-88? Maybe only the 87?

[@320ifly]

Also the two giant RR engines give it away too

[@rynovoski]

@@FSM_Reviews Nah, he suggested they were 717s. He did talk about the DC-9, but then went back to talking about the 717 and kept showing more DC-9 clips.

[@zk9058]

You are doing a great job with this channel....love it! Keep up he great work!

[@sunnychen8520]

In fact, Delta keeps them in operation try looking for some at ATL airport

[@milwright]

When my wife and I did a lot more flying than we do today, PHL/ATL, I used to schedule our flights to make sure that we flew on one of Air Tran’s 717s. Having worked for the PFD at PHL I got tamiliar with plenty of aircraft and always loved that plane.

[@nutandboltguy3720]

I liked the 2/3 seating configuration. Less chance of getting stuck in the middle seat.

[@Deevo037]

It fit well into Australian aviation just as Fokker (a company that had a huge presence in Australia) went belly up and was a great replacement for the Fokker 100.

[@Deevo037]

@Norm T Which would be fine if Ford and GM hadn't already wiped out the Australian car industry.

[@rafiahaspagi1165]

Who else thinks that the 717 was like the airbus A220 because it was not their they did not make it another company did they just sold it.

[@captaindusty4884]

Except people aren't as vocal or outraged about the name change as they were when the Bombardier C-Series was changed to the Airbus A220 after the it's acquisition . Bombardier doesn't even make passenger jets after selling off their Dash-8 and CRJ rights to other firms. Edit: Dash-8 went back to De Havilland Canada while CRJ program was sold to Mitsubishi Heavy industries

[@lahainaboy761]

Dawg. I was just gonna say the same thing. It's just that the 717 came at an unfortunate time. She woulda been a work horse.

[@omarijoseph3189]

i TOTALLY AGREE...so correct dude

[@simonm1447]

I think it's a little bit different, Boeing bought MD completely, while Airbus didn't buy BBD, they only took control of the C series program, and renamed it to fit better into their own name system. The A 220, former C series is also different from the 717, because it is a completely new aircraft type using state of the art technology, while the 717 is a modernized DC9 from long ago. That makes the 717 not a bad plane, but the A220 uses modern technology and is mainly focusing on fuel efficiency. Airbus got this aircraft for very little financial reccources, it was a good deal for them. The order list for the 320 family is also extremely long, so they can offer the 220 without cannibalizing the 320s.

[@lahainaboy761]

@@simonm1447 how they acquired the programs were different but what's similar is the fact that both these big boys felt like they needed to have a smaller aircraft to offer to customers.

[@Rick5040]

Still a DC9, MD80, MD88, MD90, or Boeing 717 are basically the same aircraft, though some versions are longer than others.

[@garrettlods6537]

The md 90 and 717 both have different engines and the 717 and some particular models of the md 90 have upgraded cockpits

[@rmaviationtravel]

DC-9 wasn’t designed by McDonell Douglass, it was before those two companies merged

[@JoeNasr123]

RM Aviation & Travel Well, officially, the DC-9 was the first airplane released after the McDonnell Douglas merger. Plus, there were 30 years of updates from the first DC-9 to the MD-80 line to what became the 717.

[@scenefromhere]

The DC9 was designed by MD, not Boeing.

[@wsb906]

The DC-9 was developed by Douglas Aircraft Company. Its first revenue service was in December 1965. DAC ceased operations in 1967, after merging with McDonnell Aircraft Corporation, successor company was McDonnell Douglas Corporation.

[@EricIrl]

@@scenefromhere Once Douglas merged with McDonnell, no totally new designs ever emerged ever again. All the projects that continued right through to the Boeing 717, were based on designs that had started before the Douglas/McDonnell merger. Boeing originally had allocated the designation "717" to their C-135 design, which differed in many ways to the 707 airliner.

[@ronaldfish1569]

RM Aviation & Travel don’t you mean to 717

[@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor]

2:19 although there's no type commonality with other Boeing crafts, is there that commonality with the MD-80/MD-90 and DC-9? Because in that case the 717 could have been interesting to carriers that had those planes.

[@atpandpa]

Delta's 717s are leased from Southwest Airlines. Southwest acquired the 717s during the acquisition of Air Tran and paid over $140 million to covert these 717s for Delta's use.

[@kwaleikafa9400]

I HAVE FLOWN ON THE BOEING 717 AND IT IS THE BEST AIRCRAFT I HAVE EVER FLOWN IN INTERMS OF SHIRE POWER, PERFORMANCE AND COMFORT. I LOVE THE SOUND OF THOSE BMW/ROLLS ROYCE BR-715 TURBOFAN ENGINES. A DC-9 ON STERIODS.

[@locoHAWAIIANkane]

@3:36 - “the 717 was able to access the small, remote islands of Hawaii that larger narrow body jets couldn’t....” While I generally agree with this statement, it’s not entirely true. All of our airports here in our islands are serviced by larger jets including the 767, 777 and 747 in addition to the 757 (-200’s and -300’s), 737’s (all variants) as well as A320’s and A321’s. The issue isn’t the size of the airport as it is the turn around times and frequencies of (Hawaiian Airlines) schedules. Larger aircraft engines need more time to cool which conflicts with their schedules. WN uses the 737’s within our state and I believe their turn times aren’t as tight as that of Hawaiian Airlines. The only other a/c that could keep up with the high turn schedules is the 737-200 as was used by AQ when they were in operation. AQ tried using the 737-300 and 737-400 variants on their inter island routes and it just couldn’t keep up.

[@Miftahjaya96]

tks for your video and the descriptions..i get more information now.

[@geoh7777]

5:03 "These guys keep begging me to give them more 717s. But, that era is over and is not going to happen." Because the numbers would be too few for this niche airliner, no matter how good it is. No deaths, no hull losses, according to Wikipedia.

[@gerardmoran9560]

As a retired Delta pilot I'm concerned for the Delta people and all airline employees worldwide. As for the 717, it was a proven, rugged and reliable type. Delta happily stumbled upon a bunch when AirTran folded. Note that the registration numbers on the Delta 717s end in AT. I've flown on them many times (as a passenger) and it's a smooth, quiet and reliable jet. Who knows what jets and people will be left standing and flying after SARS-CoV-2 is done?

[@JETZcorp]

I'm always amazed at how much airliner B-roll comes from Portland. This video has got to be at least 50% PDX.

[@justinp8234]

I love hawaiian airlines the boeing 717 is the only jet I've ever rode.

[@aubreyadams7884]

Watched numerous Airtrans 717s reversing out of terminal gates without tugs at Atlanta back in the day ... interesting sight to see! :-)

[@erik_griswold]

I find it funny that none of these 717 videos, when dealing with Delta, ever mention the legacy that Northwest and their refurbished DC-9s brought to the company. Delta had the all the support capabilities and trained personnel to find the DC-9-95 quite attractive.

[@Fantech0104]

The 717 is my favorite airplane. I just love how much of a beast the engines are and how quickly they can take off the ground even if completely full. It's sad how the plane was tough to sell and 9/11 just made everything worse to market the plane but the airlines that got them absolutely love them. Such a treasure by the end of the day. Its reliable, flies in a good airline market and of course lots of fun to fly. I think it's such a scumbag move how Boeing declined the extra demand for 717's once airlines saw the 717 for what it truly is. Really it just took time and everyone that has them loves them. While the pandemic did have some of them get retired, I'm glad it didn't kill the fleet off entirely.

[@Xedgehog1]

I might be wrong about this. The stories I heard were that Boeing basically finished up the MD series run that was already in production by McDonnell Douglas at the merger, and redesignated it the 717. It ended because it competed with Boeing's own legacy narrow body product.

[@keithfreitas2983]

Yes, when Boeing took over they went to all the customers and told them to buy 737s. Customers went to Airbus. Boeing had to finish the production line for the Customers that said no.

[@bruceblunderfield5431]

I have been a passenger twice in a 717. I still love watching them take off and land! Best plane I'VE EVER Flown in. If I could guarantee to get a ticket on another? Yes please. Leaves the rest for dead!

[@FarmerTed]

After flying both as captain for a US airline I can assure you the Dc9/717 is the better aircraft both for safety and especially for reliability! Especially in the 100-150 passenger configuration. The Dc9 rides better in weather (higher wing loading)is quieter and a much more stable aircraft in yaw. Above the 150 seat configuration the 737 starts to beat it out, but by then you should probably be using the 757 as it is a far superior aircraft in that seating configuration.

[@rrknl5187]

I agree about the wing loading, way better ride in rough air. Also, an engine failure took less rudder....a lot less rudder....... The flip side is that I never got used to the deck angle being so high on approach.....always felt it was going to stall.

[@FarmerTed]

RR KNL the dc9-10,30,50 had a much lower deck angle than 737 using 50 flaps and very similar using 40 flaps. The single engine approach 15* flaps was a high angle approach but not much more than single engine 737 approach. In a big crosswind the Dc9 was head and shoulders about the 737, I’ve had numerous landings above the demonstrated cross wind as it is a recommendation and not a limit unlike the Boeing.

[@youtuuba]

Farmer Ted, it is hard to figure out what you are saying, because you just mention "I flew both".....yet several different types of aircraft are mentioned in the video. You comment goes on to only mention the 737 and 757, and it is pretty meaningless to compare such very different aircraft to the DC-9/717 type.

[@FarmerTed]

youtuuba I flew the dc9 10,30,50 from 1987-2000 and flew the 737-300,500,700,800,900 till my retirement. Along with a two year stint on the 747. I think I’m more than qualified to have an opinion.

[@youtuuba]

@@FarmerTed , you no doubt have lots of experience flying, and I respect that, but your written communications skills are lacking, and that is an area in which I have lots of training and experience. That is why I commented on your comment....it was poorly written and confusing. You also seem to have poor ability to read my comment and understand that I was not challenging your flying experience, but rather your ability to write clearly.

[@parfittdignum6458]

Boeing acquired Rockwell Aerospace ( I should know LOL I'm an ex Rockwell employee ) Rockwell bought Mac D. in 1996 but then chose to sell off assets so Boeing bought those assets in 1997 and then at that stage built the aircraft to 717 same / same with F15 and F18

[@f-btsc9944]

Great video !

[@dennisthebrony2022]

Was this the competitor to the A318 or A319?

[@Kenzy1987]

Flown on it with Hawaiian several times. There's something special flying on a plane that feels raw and basic.

[@barron204]

I have flown in seat 1A on a Qantas 717 and it was nice. The plane was small and wooshy. But it was tired in the front cabin. It felt like it was older than 20 years and not well maintained. Would fly again on it any day compared to some other planes I have flown on.

[@BryceCassagneres]

I love all the shots from my hometown KPDX!!!!

[@lorrainebennett7528]

I flew a Volotea 717 Ibiza to Alicante and loved it, sounded amazing and took off like a rocket! 😊

[@fgrau7376]

At 1:54. That is a DC-9 series 30. I actually flew that jet for my short stint as a first officer for USA Jet.

[@rafiahaspagi1165]

Maybe you guys could do a video about the A220 since it was not a airbus made planes.

[@askhowiknow5527]

I don’t understand why they bothered renaming this aircraft. Had they continued to sell it under the McDonnell Douglas MD-95 monicker, customers wouldn’t be confused.

[@MarcPagan]

As a passenger flying coach.....the 717 beats the 757, no contest ...few things worse than being caught behind the drink cart on a 757 when one needs the lav :)

[@chipgill2176]

I once flew to Europe on a Delta 757. I'll never do that again. In fact, I'll never fly on a 757 again. Are they still in service?

[@kumaWRX]

@@chipgill2176 A year and a half ago I flew on a United 757 from Hawaii to Las Vegas, won't be doing that ever again. The next year I made sure it was a 777.

[@flybyairplane3528]

Chip Gill There ma in service, although they are no longer made, the differences between B757 & B787, is 1 foot, but 57 is 1 aisle, but 767, has2 aisles, cockpit, same you can fly either one

[@MarcPagan]

@@flybyairplane3528 757 does indeed put out some nasty wake turbulence>> I almost get flipped over at 2000 AGL while a student IFR training/under a hood on an ILS approach, ..... Miami Approach was very busy, and didn't space my mighty Piper Seminole properly :)

[@paulconner115]

Flyby Airplane really why is it 5 miles?

[@dannychan6202]

The B717 is also one of the safest aircraft built. (No hull losses)

[@prasendwipmitra93]

So many thanks to you. I was confused about 717 as it resembles dc 9.

[@jimandmandy]

It resembles a DC-9 because it is a DC-9, legally a DC-9 model 95. 717 is a marketing term.

[@richardincm]

I believe that Bangkok Airways (PG) also operated B717s in the early-2000s, possibly leased rather than owned ?

[@hawaiifiles]

I've flown on the Hawaiian Air 717s numerous times since 2001. Great little plane.

[@boatlover1875]

As a frequent traveler, I never really like the DC-9 variants but actually do like the 717 version. Fly it often between SAV and ATL.

[@marcman844]

Interesting how there are few/none examples of the aircraft by Midwest who was a major operator of the type.

[@ELECTROFELO1]

I have Commanded the D-C9 F-100 A320 and B717. 717 by far my favorite .Great power from those amazing engines awesome flying dynamics and excellent avionics (borrowed from his big brother the mighty MD-11.)

[@grantmoon624]

I want a 717 outfitted as my personal luxury jet.

[@JBM425]

The MD-95/B717 was a great airplane to fly on the late Midwest Airlines about 10-15 years ago before it was bought and merged with Frontier. Until just before its demise, Midwest had a single class arrangement with wider, first-class style seats in a 2 x 2 arrangement (seat width was 20", and pitch was 34 or 35"... more than Coach, less than First). The 717 was perfect for that layout, because they only needed to "sacrifice" one traditional Coach seat to make that work. Had that been a 737 or A31x/32x, they would have had to give up two Coach seats. As nice as the 717 was compared to the older MD-88, one problem was that some of Midwest's routes were just a tad outside the 717's range (e.g., Seattle - Kansas City); for those routes, they had to use the longer-range MD-88. Just before the airline was sold/acquired, Midwest reverted some rows to standard 2 x 3 Coach seating to fit more passengers. When they were in the process of merging with Frontier, parent company Texas Pacific Group "retired" the MD-8x and 717s in favor of A319s from Frontier and Embraer E-Jets from Republic.

[@flyingjeff1984]

Really a joy to fly.

[@zenixlo]

when he said "b o m b a d i r" OOF

[@zenixlo]

@Mahesh M V U lol

[@sprendergast351]

Great little plane, have flown on the Qantas 717 many times. If you choose the right seat you sit very close to the engine intake. Now I choose somewhere else just in case of a turbine failure.

[@jacksycz]

Of course now Delta cherishes the 717 and it’s key to profitability.

[@lynxdiamond4888]

The last time I was this early my cousins Orville and Wilbur were still faffing about with bicycles

[@shakranandi8542]

Thanks for the video! I hope I can still catch a ride on this beauty. You forgot to mention Volotea as an operator of the 717 (for the Europeans amongst us)

[@tickedoffsheikh8587]

Would this aircraft type be suitable for short haul service say from Boston's Logan to JFK? If no what aircraft type would be most economical? Thank you.

[@spongebubatz]

Such routes could be a market for the 717. However the more fuel efficient aircraft on these routes would be newer ones like the A220 or E2, depending on the demand also the A321(neo) or versions of the 737!

[@tickedoffsheikh8587]

@@spongebubatz thank you.

[@markwilkins8314]

Like getting on a private jet,flown a few times on qantas Sydney/Adelaide favourite plane

[@cefb8923]

Out of all the planes I've ever been on the 727 has the oddest cockpit up there with the E190. After being on a C17 and DC10, it was nothing like I expected. I wish MD was still around, they made good aircraft.

[@jacquesmertens3369]

There's a huge market for small regional jets. Boeing gave everything away to Airbus, and they didn't even try to compete with Bombardier's CRJ series. How could the marketing people get it so wrong?

[@HSMiyamoto]

You really have to walk down a stairway when you land at Kailua-Kona. Also, because Hawaiian has almost no ground transportation competition -- i.e., driving -- many runs are hourly, seven days a week. I remember the time I flew to Kauai from Honolulu -- a 25 minute flight -- and my luggage wasn't on board. The HA guy was like, "Oh, it will probably be on the next one, come back in an hour." Sure enough, our luggage was one of the first bags off the next flight!

[@NR-vw2rd]

I managed many of those 717s, from Midwest Express to Air Tran to Mexicana Click, to Volotea of Spain. A workhorse that has a structure designed for high cycle operation. They will be around for many more years (flown in Turkmenistan for over a decade).

[@kclefthanded427]

Best version of the DC-9 ever

[@DashPar]

I really liked the 717. But I much prefer the ERJ 175 because of their wonderful 2-2 layout with lots of room for me, the passenger!

[@martinmcdonnell8058]

In Western Australia where the 717 is used on fly in fly out mines work they are being bolstered with A220.

[@mabamabam]

Who has a A220? Ive never seen anything but 717 and F100

[@bernieflyer7706]

Virgin fly A320's in WA not A220's to the best of my knowledge. I don't think there are any A220's in Australia but happy to be corrected!

[@martinmcdonnell8058]

Apologies. I meant to type A320 not 220.

[@mabamabam]

@@martinmcdonnell8058 you had me all excited

[@bernieflyer7706]

@@martinmcdonnell8058 Your forgiven Martin. I thought it may have been a typo.

[@killerbees177]

Will be flying on a 717 for the first time this Summer with Delta.

[@cellpat2686]

The 717 was the later DC 9 Douglas needed to have had they not gone under. Quantas and Hawaiian have sold their 717s to DL who plans to have a larger fleet flying thru the next decade.

[@wandafisch4411]

It's comparable to the Airbis A220/Bombardier C-Series story

[@lorispain1]

Spanish low cost airline Volotea has 14 of these, I'm flying one on Sunday, can't wait!

[@LEJapproach]

As if Embraer's ERJ-190 hadn't existed for almost 20 years now and Bombardier hadn't developed the CSeries (now Airbus A220).

[@chaoszombie9995]

what blows MY mind.. is that Delta STILL (as of September 10th 2021) flys the 717..

[@jardennotario676]

Just another fact : all of 156 Boeing 717 aircraft have manufactured, none of its aircraft involved in any fatal accidents.

[@christianfelipe2824]

Always loved visiting families in between Islands on Hawaiian's 717...

[@andrewthacker114]

Interesting clip

[@SimpleFlyingNews]

Thanks for the feedback! - TB

[@newdefsys]

Boeing: Our customers wants products but we wont make them Also Boeing: Our stock prices are miserable and we dont know why

[@MattyAviation]

4:12: You neglect to mention that Embraer does compete in the 100 seat market with its E190. The E190 was about equal to the 717, becoming a regional workhorse for most notably, JetBlue. Sure, the 717 and E190 are 8 years apart, but still.

[@billbarr7591]

Boeing upgrading an ancient aircraft.... Who would have thought It