Why Buy A Console Anymore?

[@NostalgiaNet8]

Them still charging a subscription fee for online is still a scam.

[@LgnShorty]

Always has been and always will

[@jiggerypokery2962]

But 300% mark-up for a GPU is fine. The company making a 10% margin is the bad guy.

[@imaginarymenageriemanager6303]

@@jiggerypokery2962 Both suck now. With consoles you've been getting scammed for 2 gens now and with PC it's been the same since the 2000 series. Before PC was a no-brainer, and it still kind of is, but you have to be careful with what you're buying now, especially since a lot of HW just plain sucks now and it's not even the price/perf which is bad. AMD GPUs should be avoided at all cost now for example, as AMD drivers suck and you're often left with no AF if the game itself doesn't support it or the in-game AF settings are downgraded. There's tons and tons of games, from AAA to indie, which do not support AF for their GFX settings. And with AMD you're either limited to up to 8x via the control panel, or often nothing, as it can't force it at all. It's a coin flip if it'll work or not. And then nvidia is scamming everyone with DLSS/frame gen and next to no progress, while they keep adding more and more terribly built cores to their cards. Compare the core count for 10 series to 3000 and 4000 and then compare the actual performance, it's night and day. You're best off buying older Intel/AMD and then get a used GPU as well and just download all your games for free, that's the only sensible action at this point in time.

[@gardenstateboss]

@@jiggerypokery2962 agree PC gaming been a dumpster fire since the pandemic prices are insane i'm not buying a midrange $300 GPU for $550/$600. I have a series X and not thinking about upgrading my 2060 until prices are back to normal.

[@utopic1312]

@@gardenstateboss i'm not even sure what you're talking about,i've been looking at component prices for awhile now very few GPUs are above MSRP and can be found below that very easily,i literally did that on pcpartpicker 20 minutes ago

[@AnarickTheDevil]

Physical games. I wish pc still had physical releases.

[@kurisu3000]

Zoomers don't understand this

[@rethardotv5874]

But how? I’m pretty sure modern mainboards don’t even have SATA ports anymore as hard drives migrated to m.2 The last time I had a disc drive in my pc was around 2012

[@calebmanger]

Circuit city?

[@AnarickTheDevil]

@@rethardotv5874 The ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E released back in august and still has sata ports, Also there's always external usb cd, dvd, blueray drives.

[@memeboy8207]

​@@rethardotv5874sata is still supported, problem is finding a case that supports dusk droves

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Funny enough I grew up on PC gaming, such as it was. My mom had a PC when I was a kid and my first games were on there. Despite this I still loved Console games growing up, even if I bought most of them a generation behind and used. The simplistic plug and play was just nice, and as I said the cheap price of used games helped. Something you rarely saw in PC gaming, people just didn't resell their old PC games much even when they were on disc. But consoles have gone a long way from what made them great. Ease of use is down as you wait for Gigs of updates to download, you are generally forced to pay a monthly subscription fee to play any kind of online game and nearly all games are online for one reason or another now. Many games even with a disc are unplayable without a downloaded patch, some times nothing more than an empty disc is really on there and you download almost the entire game. With games being tied to a online account, even if you have a physical disc combined with digital downloads the used game market is all but dead as well, losing that benefit of cheaper games as well. Simply put there isn't a lot of reason to buy a console any more other than exclusive games, and I think the PS5 has like what 30 of them right now? After about 4 years that is pretty sad.

[@ClassXero]

The more expensive a console gets, the more appealing a pc becomes.

[@vodkaffee4856]

I have q switch and if i could i would buy two more cause i love it so more. Just Bayonetta 2 and astral chain are better exclusives than anything ps made

[@alphonsejohnson5601]

I agree. The switch was and still is a phenomenal console that had tons of AAA and indie games that are just fun to play. Definitely getting Bayonetta 4 when that comes out for switch 2.

[@radekkanikowski8817]

@@alphonsejohnson5601 sadly some physical games are only physical on paper.

[@alphonsejohnson5601]

@@radekkanikowski8817 But thankfully, The majority of them aren't.

[@TheGunmanChannel]

Everything you say here is why I am done with modern gaming. PS4 was the last console I bought.

[@kennylynch8575]

same here

[@lamparo7028]

Really wish the online connectivity subscription was separate from the game subscription I dont want to pay $70 year just play online, its such a scam

[@jollama]

*79.99

[@raianmr2843]

"online connectivity subscription" 😂 this shouldn't even exist in the first place. It's like tax but the worst kind that you paid to feudal lords or local mafia goons.

[@AlasdairXIV]

@@raianmr2843 they do it because they can and you can't stop them or do anything about it because the software is in a walled garden.

[@Zinkolo]

Because Normies and convenience. Remember, if you have to ask this question, You don't understand the point of a console.

[@DillyThePickley]

PSX - PS3 was amazing if you ask me. PS4 was pretty good; I kinda hated having to pay for a PS+ subscription. PS5... nah...

[@nickypoundtown9568]

I never played more PS3 than I have now

[@Scornfull]

@@nickypoundtown9568 Bro PS3 emulation is so good on PC now I highly recommend trying it if you haven't already or haven't tried it in awhile

[@vizthex]

i've been a lifelong PC gamer, and while i've never liked consoles i did understand why they were still around - at minimum, some people just don't wanna bother with all the troubleshooting associated with PC gaming (and i can fully believe that, cuz it can be a massive pain in the ass lol). but i do think you raise some good points. Consoles are kinda dying just because nobody's making games for them, and they apparently can't just copy/paste nintendo's strategy of making multiple smaller games for like a third of the price or whatever. i just want them to release all the PS3 games on PC, man. Gotta have all the Ratchet & Clank games on Steam lol.

[@b4rs629]

The only thing keeping me tied down to a console is 4k movies, blu-rays, & dvds. (I dumped a small fortune into collecting movies over the years).

[@seaweeb2258]

​@b4rs629 You can still do that on PC. Especially if you want to role play as Jack Sparrow. But do you really own them? Didn't Sony just cut a good portion of their library with no warning and deleted the media from people's libraries? At least role-playing as black beard you literally can keep the files.

[@b4rs629]

@@seaweeb2258 I mean actual discs not digital purchases.

[@Darkkfated]

There really isn't a reason aside from sunk cost fallacies and blind brand loyatly. A "console' is literally just a budget PC that comes with a controller. There's zero reason to own one anymore. This makes me sad since I've been a console gamer most of my life (my dad had a Colecovision and an NES when I was a gradeschooler and I literally grew up with a controller in my hands) but these days, if it's not on PC (or coming to PC soon-ish), I'm simply not interested. It's a real shame.

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

My only reason to continue using the PS5 is because I've already paid money for the PSVR2 and want to get good use out of it, when PC VR headsets lose their relevancy and support all too quickly.

[@k-ottic7027]

Sell it and switch ​@@Cyberbrickmaster1986

[@michaelangeloabarreto4588]

​@@Cyberbrickmaster1986the PSVR2 is literally losing support from Sony already :/

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

@@michaelangeloabarreto4588 But as long as I have games that support it, I can still use it, right?

[@Scornfull]

@@Cyberbrickmaster1986 PSVR is PC compatible bro so it still has quite a bit of life in it lol older VR titles will probably always support it and hopefully newer releases will keep supporting it

[@cantbehelped]

I bought a PS5 in 2022 when the scalper craze died down, and I dont regret it because as a PS4 Pro Pro it works well. I also appreciate the ability to buy physical copies in modern day- even if they are glorified installer programs. I also built a decent PC in 2023. Theres a very good chance the PS5 will be the last console I ever buy. We'll see if Nintendos new console gives me enough FOMO to fold, but the PC being able to play almost anything I want completely made up for the price of entry in my case. And eventually, in time, almost all consoles get emulators.

[@exotic-gem]

Most physical games are absolutely not glorified installers. There is almost always a playable, close to complete version of the game on the disc.

[@Miraihi]

@@exotic-gem I think the OP meant that every disk still has to be installed.

[@Obsidian8R]

and usually after the game is installed from the disc and then you boot up the game, the disc doesnt even spin in the disc drive at all meaning it's not being run off the disc itself (the PS5 disc drive is very loud when it's spinning so it's easy to notice) also when downloading the same game either physical or digital, the download size will be the exact same regardless of what you do which is a big giveaway the only modern console nowadays that still runs the game off the physical media you buy is strangely the nintendo switch

[@kenjiii728]

Damn bro your literally me lmao I also got my ps5 in 2022 and my PC in 2023, I’m def gonna be upgrading to the pro, I can comfortably afford it and plus even if it goes bad I can always refund it and go back to my og ps5

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

The price for entry isn't even as much of a factor because you aren't paying for a membership to use your own internet. Nintendo's is cheap but the service sucks, and anything above the lowest tier of Gamepass or PS+ will add up quickly. Not to mention you can get games for way cheaper on PC. You might not necessarily save money, but in the long term the cost evens out and PC has way more to offer.

[@VerbeekTruther]

Sony and Microsoft are the flashy companies showing us the cutting edge, but are built on a weak foundation. Nintendo is the old brick building that will still be standing 200 years from now

[@alexanderjones3830]

They need PS5 games, I've spent more time playing PS4 games on my PS5 than PS5 games. I doubt my PS4 games will get upgrades....

[@AD3SPG]

Ive bearly had a slim for almost 1 year i can wait another 5-6 years for an upgrade.

[@t-bird4738]

For the same reasoning that I am going physical, you always own your games and I don’t know how people always get things misconstrued, but you can easily play most of the new games if not a lot without online connection if it’s not multiplayers based of course. With the plan I’m halfway through right now I’m getting Series X and have P5/XSS already, and all the games I like have physical copies that I already have in carts across different websites so I’ll have ownership of my own purchases regardless if PlayStation or Microsoft shuts down (or select games just because they can) in 4 years or so while avoiding this terrible yet inevitable nightmare of a future with straight everything digital and everyone is paying full price for licenses😐

[@aiodensghost8645]

With those physicals, it depends... some of them don't include the full game on the disc and instead act as a small key to download the game. Borderlands 3 recently did this to me on Xbox, and I was BEYOND disgusted about it. Games like System Shock remake have been really generous about what they gave us on the disc... they even waited until v1.2 came out, so all the patches and better SHODAN fight would be on the disc. You just gotta do a lot of research

[@t-bird4738]

@@aiodensghost8645 even with very little research done you can just take a look at knowing that you’re locked into whatever market place comes within that box. What I’m really trying to say is take any game that you want and then take it on physical and in price you will usually always have the physical going for 60% of what the digital after small amount of time and considering digital stays at full price because the company knows they can get away with it, at that point the ownership is just what we all need a bonus big flick of the bird back at the companies that charge $69.99 for 2k22 in the year 2024

[@Wesmoen]

​@@aiodensghost8645this is why I look at doesitplay before buying modern physical releases. That site tells how well the release is.

[@sonicooler9468]

​@@aiodensghost8645Better than to have your media provider go out of business and you loose all your games. Games are only mainstream rn give it sometime and people leave and your provider with go out of business but if you have the physical your golden Sega stoped making consoles years ago but you can still play their games

[@TigerTT]

Sony is kinda showing hints that they don't want you to even buy physical games anymore with the new PS5 Pro coming out. It has no disk drive, so just imagine how the PS6 will be, they'll probably force you to buy every PS6 game digitally.

[@RedLion800]

I have no interest in power, so I will never be a PC gamer. Nothing against PC, but it's not a comfortable decision for me. Steam Deck might be the closest I'll get to PC gaming, if I get one.

[@Rapunzel879]

What does power have to do with it? You can buy a PC on par with a PS5/Pro. It's more about not being locked to the console restrictive ecosystem.

[@TheDeathMetalOtaku]

​@Rapunzel879 Not only that if comfort is the reason you don't wanna pc, you can always hook one up to an actual TV and play with a controller if you're used to consoles

[@shepardcommander9960]

@@TheDeathMetalOtakuone counterpoint to this would be if you play online shooters. It just won't be fun on PC with a controller if everyone else is twitch shooting you with 9000000000 DPI gaming mice.

[@TheDeathMetalOtaku]

@shepardcommander9960 Aren't you gonna have that problem anyway since a lot of mainstream online shooters are cross-platform? I don't personally use that setup myself. I just thought I'd recommend it to people who think you can't get comfortable on pc because you most certainly can.

[@meikahidenori]

​@@shepardcommander9960actually that doesn't matter, most controllers can be hooked to pc & use Gyroscope aiming. Even Team Fortress 2 works with Switch pro & Ps5 Gyro controllers. Some of the best players use gyro😊

[@TheLitman72]

But gaming ready PCs are also expensive... I don't know that there is a cost benefit to PC argument. Only reason I went PC when I saw games having performance hindered on console. Destiny is perfect example of this... 60 fps capable consoles yet Bungie purposely left it 30 fps.

[@johnprime1147]

This is really sad to see. I was born in the middle of the 2000s and was able to play a lot of games I loved on the old Xbox and 360. The burger king game was the only one i can recall from the old one. The 360? I would have sold my foot to play any game on it. Lego Lord of the Rings, Lego the Hobbit, Madagascar 3 Escape Africa, Spider-Man 3, Mortal Kombat vs DC, Lego Batman 2 Super Heroes. The list was endless. Yes I struggled a lot when I was younger. Especially for the games of Spider-Man 3, Transformers War for Cybertron, and Soul Caliber IV i think. And the funniest thing about this! I didn't care about the console wars. I just loved playing video games that my dad would get me or he already had. As bad as things have gotten with new consoles. I'll always cherish the good ol days even tho i was limited down to one console and don't believe I knew the playstation exosted until I found out about it on KZbin. Or my dad did tell me and I don't remember. Either way this is what I'd want for my future children. For the next generation. And as the days go by it's looking more like parents need to buy those old consoles and have their children play on those. Why? Because it isn't the new generation. Don't have to worry about anything. Just get and buy the games you played as a kid. Buttt do wait until the child is old enough to play. Don't wamt them getting addicted or fixated too much on the screen

[@alexanderjones3830]

I think the PS5 was a great value in 2020 at $500. It should be $400 at most now for the disc version of the PS5 Amateur. Console gaming is about value and being plug and play. Graphics have been good enough for 10 years. I would be fine if they just focus on providing a polished 60 fps experience over ray tracing BS

[@Scornfull]

The value is pretty dogshit you're paying 500 dollars to do basically nothing at 40 fps 900p that's absolutely atrocious

[@TehPiemaygor]

I feel like there's a bit of hypocrisy in praising Nintendo keeping their first party games exclusive, but also saying that Microsoft and Sony should not have their first party games be exclusive.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

The whole point of exclusives is a reason to buy the console in the first place is in a position where they don’t need to be pimping out their games to PC like Microsoft and Sony because Nintendo sells games like gangbusters particularly Mario and Zelda

[@SetariM]

I got a PS5 Digital recently. Platinumed Stellar Blade and Astro's Playroom on it, then found out... it has no games I wanna play. I did wanna play Demon's Souls but I'm not down with that half hp on death BS. So I returned it and got a Steam Deck instead. I had already played everything I wanted to play on PS4, and PS5 didn't have anything really new that I wanted to play. And it's so EXPENSIVE on console. Why would I buy FF16 for 70 bucks AND the DLC for an additional 25 when I could get the frieakin full game and DLC for 61 dollars on a key reseller site? And Black Myth: Wukong for 20 dollars cheaper on PC AND still play it with a dualshock controller on PC, so I'm still "playing it on PS5" lmao Consoles are a joke. The only worthwhile console is the Switch and even then you can emulate it on PC, so it doesn't really matter. Xbox's games are ALL on PC. There is no reason to buy a console. PC gaming is NOT a costly hobby in the long run.

[@manih5393]

PC will always be the best platform, and especially the PS5 pro showed this. Spend a few hundred bucks more and you get a compareable or even better performance on the same games, but with the addition a lot more games that will never be playable on console, modding, retro gaming and a huge catalogue of emulators and games that would be lost unless you can find a working console from 10+y ago with an intact DVD. So unless you really ONLY want to play whats available on PS/XBOX you are always better off with a PC. Not to forget that you can do so much more with a PC than just game, if you account for the fact you need a basic PC as a functioning adult anyways, you can just spend the extra cash on it to also be your gaming device. All that still ignores how cucked you are when inside a console ecosystem, monthly payment for online play, preset graphics/experience (limited even if your hardware could handle more), very currated list of games, absolute dependency on hardware. My Keyboard cost like 110€, but unless I smash it on the ground or pour liquid over it, I will be able to use it for 20+years. Switch breaks? 50c for a new one. Keycaps fucked? Get a new set for like 20-30€. What is stick drift? Even PS new 200€ controller suffers from supply issues and scalpers, besides the replacements being marked up like crazy. PS3 had hall/magnetic sensors instead of PS5 potentiometers, so stick drift was impossible, but sony knows they can milk people by having them buy a new controller every 6-12 months.

[@sonicooler9468]

I love console bc physical games i feel like the industry is tryin to push streaming and subscriber passed games even on PC. But if consoles go digital online im switching to PC

[@Enzo012]

PC's are for people who really know their stuff they're proper hobbyist grade. Consoles are more for the average Joe who just wants to plug a plastic box into a socket and it works and there are games made for that specific box that will work on it. They don't have to worry about what kind of graphics card they have or whatever. Though these mid-gen revision consoles are intended for the hardcore hobbyist who know all about PC gaming.

[@TheWhiteagle99]

Had ps1 to 3 to n64 to wiiu, the moment online start to be a paywall i switch to pc and console was done except Nintendo for the greats solo games

[@Yvans_place]

For me the PS5 is the last console, I would rather give the gaming PC a big upgrade than spend 800 € (895 $ us) on a mid-generation console. The PS5 was conveniently compact for the living room, but costs/benefits are lost with the current pricing.

[@definitelynotacyborg]

yeah one thing that doesn't come up in the PS5 Pro conversations too often is that for a very large chunk of the PS5's market, it's comparable in cost to a PC with better specs.

[@TaylorRayborn]

I still play console. I work and in my 30s. I have this really nice recliner and a wonderful big screen tv. Can’t play PC on it but my Xbox is wonderful with it. Why waste thousands on a PC to crick my neck when I can be in the lap of luxury after working all day playing a game I enjoy.

[@seaweeb2258]

Because you can literally do the same on PC. PC will allow you to use any controller too, so you can truly customize your comfort on top of better graphics and performance.

[@darkmaster539]

I get the idea here, but the flip side is true. Plenty of more casual players aren't going to bother with pc for the same reason they won't bother with the ps5 pro. If they can play the game they don't care, and a console is still the cheap and easy way to do this. Then there's the weird stuff. I will probably never go away from pc gaming, but every so often I get a weird bug, such as helldivers 2 not working for me at the moment, which does remind me there are still issues.

[@Flaris]

Considering the price of the PS5 Pro and probably where they are going to start the PS6 is that even true? Is a console a cheap and easy way to play games? I'm not so sure anymore.

[@FilleatUT]

3:15 Easy I can answer that - 1) PC is very expensive (more than console) 2) Not every game works flawlessly on PC as they do on console 3) Most gamers buy their game on Steam, and Steam is in the end of the day also a DRM store (as PSN Store) - no difference I'm not defending Sony here, but just saying "get a PC" is just silly. Gaming as a hobby has gotten a lot more expensive now a days in general.

[@Sugar3Glider]

I got a Sega ALLS off ebay for $350. It's an Arcade machine. Theres a few different types and you have to do some work, but its otherwise basically the PC version of a console. It was built to work, you can upgrade some things to make it run better but it'll run pretty good for not much money.

[@thedarkness75]

The console wars are pretty much over: Microsoft all but conceded to Sony and wants to focus more on their streaming services. The direct result of this is there is no competition, Sony can charge whatever they want. Hardware manufacturers were used to taking a loss figuring they would get it back in game sales but Sony is coming in at a net profit. As you mentioned the slim model did not go down in price it actually went up which is not normal halfway through a systems lifespan.

[@adrian_veidt]

It's all about resolution, frame rates and graphics. What happened to gameplay and unique art direction? All games running at unreal engine 5 became boring asf

[@Beforeigo-x9v]

look i get why consoles exsist now, there for people who didnt want to spend so much on gaming, but yea tyhese new consoles have forgotten that, if you have a job and the money get a pc, but please be responsible with your money guys! i would never want my parents to buy a console thats 700!

[@excree8181]

the only console I can see that's worth it is the Xbox series s, its 350 quid and you can play any game on it, a 350 quid gaming pc you wouldn't be able to play any game on it (like ark or space marine 2), but 700-800 quid for a console? I have a 750 quid gaming PC and its way better than any console and I can play any game I want and do PC shiz plus steam sales are way better than any console store sales and no online sub

[@indiana47]

God I just hate the meaningless number increases for consoles. You said it yourself, the upgraded storage is enough to store one Call of Duty and many people can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps (myself included). And graphics have been as realistic as they ever need to be for over 5 years.

[@chesster423]

Everything is more expensive now btw.

[@Beanszo]

how about knowing the difference between an xbox one x vs xbox series x, just terrible naming practices

[@calebwyman5510]

Well, I’ve been told the PS five is compatible for PS2 and PS3 games but I’m not buying a PS five in a long time. I’m not even gonna bother touching the pro

[@DarenKajiWolf]

Pay to use internet to play with others... and people is willing to pay and continue doing it... Well, some people will just quit paying due that some people just get consoles thinking is cheaper or easy to understand... The future is about more people understanding that consoles and subscriptions to play onlyne are kinda... Miserable for them as consumers, some of them, because people with lots of numbers or a good ammount of money in their salaries will just do it

[@Scornfull]

Which makes it even dumber because if they have so much money then they can just buy a prebuilt? Like I genuinely don't understand the mindset of these people

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

The PS5 pro is a scam hiring Mark Cerney was the biggest mistake Sony made. But I will still continue to buy consoles as long as there’s physical games available to buy for it and at the moment it looks like it’s gonna be Nintendo for me because they are the only ones they have committed to physical games long-term

[@davidrenton]

i moved away from PS4 back to PC. My PC cost around 1K, and i get 60+ in Cyberpunk Overdrive, Ultra. Had i brought a PS5, then have to go for a Pro, pay for PSN, more expensive games in general, i would have been looking at what 1500, compared to 1000 I did'nt know till today that there have been only 21 PS5 only games , which many of them not even out yet. 4 years in 21 games (around 5 VR , and most not even released yet like Death Stranding 2 , Ghost of Yotei) , i made the right choice not to bother with the PS5

[@Scornfull]

Most people on PC don't really brag about their rigs, all of my friends and every PC gamer I've ever met have never bragged about it even once, I haven't either as much as I love my rig I think bragging is just cringe

[@seaweeb2258]

I've only ever seen that when they get new parts and are excited to try them. It's not about showing off, but just getting excited.

[@Scornfull]

@@seaweeb2258 Absolutely I know exactly what you mean

[@Leebondoop]

Why isn't the Nintendo Switch mentioned???

[@FireFury190]

15:50 He does mention Nintendo around here and what they do. But he doesn't really seem to push the idea of just buying a Switch and PC to get the most of what gaming has to offer. That being said I do take um-bridge with the Pokemon comment. Pokemon has been trying to do new things. It's just their schedule of how they used to do things isn't doable anymore with the switch to consoles. But I guess that's not enough because people think sticking to turn based battles is Pokemon recycling the same stuff over and over. Without understanding why people like turn-based Pokemon.

[@TrashQueenAndKing]

Bro did not watch the video

[@TrashQueenAndKing]

And no response

[@Kenosene]

@@FireFury190 Yeah, his understanding of Pokemon is very surface level and kinda spiteful by trying to bring the Palworld lawsuit on the table. I mean, thinking that maintaning turn based battles for the main line Pokemon games is recycling is a pretty ignorant take.

[@FireFury190]

@@Kenosene The guy also doesn’t seem to know that there’s a professional competitive scene that Gamefreak actually supports.

[@_Devil]

I plan on getting a Series X or whatever the latest Xbox is called purely for GTA6 and, well, I'm already in their ecosystem (since 2015) so all the games I have on Xbox, both disc and digital, can be played again lol

[@TheTimeSink]

Ease of use and better game optimisation, this the main reason I choose a console. I used love pc gaming but found myself chasing the latest hardware and spending a lot of time tinkering with setting and upgrading my pc, now I just enjoy playing games without the hassle.

[@dante19890]

Its a flagship console is not for the mainstream.

[@spidergreg]

What are you talking about at the start of the video??? It's 2TB, not 200GB. Call of Duty games are 2TB in size??

[@calebwyman5510]

That’s the only thing I miss about Snapchat are the games I played battleship and I played kitty restaurant and I almost beat the game but then they took everything away from me. I got level 95 and battleship and I had to rate of 50%.

[@calebwyman5510]

When I get desperate, I don’t wanna put steam on my cell phone. I know there’s a bunch of plug and play memory sticks that you can get at Walmart. I might try those as well. They have some consuls to have like games like in them like four or 500 games you can buy them a warmer. I might get some of that shit someday.

[@calebwyman5510]

I got switched light because I’m in the turbots RBG’s. It took 2 1/2 years before my game buying starts slow down. My game is starting to slow down now but maybe the tenant might come out might come out with some more RBG and when he does when they do, I’ll buy them eventually.

[@brucenatelee]

Honestly, aside from console exclusive games, when I buy a console, I know it's made to play the games I buy. I have had 3 gaming laptops (not everybody have space for desktops), and while my current one seems to be promising, I had to know the games could work and optimize my computer (turnign things on and off, in case I'm using the wrong word) to make them play better. Only played 2 that worked well, games that came out 3-4 years before the gaming laptop I got. Only until I find a space for desktops will I try to buy a gaming desktop. I live nowhere that sells PC parts to build one and I don't trust delivery services. Yes, PC is better if you want the best gaming experience, but it's also expensive. $700-800 is the cost of the PS Pro, which is ridiculous if they don't adapt PC features like M/K and single player mod support. My laptop was also $800 and so far can play one game, but PC is also made for doing a lot of other things as well. If a PC was made as a "gaming only" platform, I'd assume it would cost about $400-$600.

[@wafflingmean4477]

Given the level of price gouging from both Microsoft and Sony (plus scalpers) on the consoles, and the fact that they have almost no games, honestly I think PC has become the WAY cheaper option. If you play any games besides Call of Duty and Fifa, get a PC. You'll have access to so many games that your Steam backlog will immediately fill up, but that's fine. Just wishlist them and buy them when they're on sale.

[@brucenatelee]

I would argue that the graphics on PS3 at max are enjoyable, even with some blockiness, let alone PS4 graphics from 11 years ago. I'd give up on possibly PS4 or PS5 or maybe PS6 graphics if it means resources goes to games being 60fps at minimum. Add other PC features as mentioned before and consoles can be worth it more, but they are stingy with how the gaming experience can be.

[@willg3220]

I have ps5. No interest in ps5 "pro". I having touched a computer since i was a kid and pcs look like alien devices to me..

[@wirlogx]

New experiences? Al games on the AAA space are clones of overwatch, call of duty and now... the souls games... We need a reset on the AAA gaming and start over because the BIG GAMES are clones or sequels of existing games instead of making smaller games with new ideas that can grow

[@raresmacovei8382]

Sept 30 - 2024 video, and at 19:45 I hear the nonsense about "AMD drivers not as refined as Nvidia ones" bullshit. Come on. STOP THE FUD. Tessellation crippling God of War Ragnarok on Nvidia meanwhile AMD isn't affected whatsoever

[@StarsAndSticks]

Thanks for putting this together. Funny you posted this, because not even a week ago I came to the same conclusion. I've been mostly a console guy but over the summer I've spent more time on my older (1060 lol) computer and realizing that I want to go full pc and leave consoles behind. ESPECIALLY considering how wonderful an experience my steam deck has been.

[@MySplatterhouse]

I do ny PC gaming exclusively on the Steam Deck, and that's only the games that I can't get on consoles like Subverse and Haydee. But consoles offer me physical media ( at least for now) and if/when actual disks cease, then I'll just exit to the retro market/play what I've amassed already.

[@justinthematrix]

I got the pro just cuz i feel like it. Already have the og ps5, steam deck, switch OLED, gaming laptop and gaming pc.

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

I guess if you want to go with that logic,‘why do people spend 1000-1500 dollars on a GPU to play games on a pc that a 200-500 GPU can do? The reason is because there are people that will always want better performance to play the games they want to play at highest possible fidelity that is available to them at that time. Sony isn’t trying to grow the ecosystem with the PS5 Pro and this system is only made for a certain subset of gamers that will buy and enjoy what they are selling myself included. I along with others see the value in this console and all the haters won’t and Sony is just fine with that.

[@matttrent922]

Some interesting takes in this video which made me have some thoughts. I don’t think this is purely a console thing. A lot of your problems you mentioned I believe is a society and 2024 thing. Your list of negatives at 13:10 just sums up a post Covid world across the board with how corporations work nowadays, it sucks but it isn’t just consoles. GPUs are a prime example of where it’s happening for computers and people Complaining about it increasingly getting more expensive for minimal improvements . I personally believe consoles still have a place in the market, options are never a bad thing at all and just because pro models are there doesn’t mean everyone has to buy it. You mentioned that consoles are confusing for tech-illiterate folks buying them and that X & S are hard to tell apart. Whilst I firming agree with that based on Microsoft’s naming conventions and marketing I also believe buying a gaming PC is a hell of a lot harder in the long run. The average grandma would be completely out of their depth in researching the difference between Intel and AMD for instance. And they need to do that for every part because the compatibility is unique etc. Society is all about making everything assessable to everyone regardless of what it is. Spotify is a prime example of this. Anything that has an electronic pulse can play Spotify. Same as the beginning of streaming services. It was a replacement for exclusive cable channels. I can see the same thing happening here. At 15:32 - the same argument can be said about any corporation. Blockbuster movies is the first thing to come to mind. It’s all about profits whilst making the next viral moment to bring in all the money. They all want their MCU avengers moment for every single release multiple times a year. It’s unrealistic but companies are run by shareholders who only care about money and making a return. A reproducible moment is unfortunately the first thing that board members will attempt to replicate until it’s old and stale. So in summary yes Sony and Microsoft have many problems, but I don’t think that’s exclusive to them. I think the societal shift. That was long so apologizes but that’s some of my thoughts. I have more but thought the thesis was long enough 😂

[@Killer-Lover]

I feel like it doesn't seem cheap anymore. Like think about it now you can't even have the perk of buying physical copies for cheap. Instead, you got to throw in more dough to have that privilege. This just makes me more glad that I got a pc.

[@rakeguy7703]

Children/tech illiterate people/busy workers" Uh...what. How about "people that just like good games"? Owning 3DS alone makes your crappy 2000 PC useless.

[@jiggerypokery2962]

45% increase with better ray tracing and upscaling is the equivalent of an AMD 7600 to a Nvidia 4070. That's not an upgrade??? Why would anyone buy a new graphics card. A 1060 runs just as many games. PC is better value any way you squeeze it? What if I already have a dozens of games i want to play that I own that'd cost me ~$1000 on PC to aquire on sale. Then is PC the better value? Actually the insomniac leaks show that single player games have more hours played than multiplayer ones on the PS5 there are just more single player games so no 1 shines very bright like multiplayer games do. Dragons Dogma 2 sold more than the steam deck lol.

[@buzzular8198]

Gta6 is literally the only reason to, imma get a ps5 for it second hand, screw this nearly 1000 dollar garbage. I know for a fact sony is banking on gta6 for sales and thats just how it is, they know what GTA does to people, its basically a national holiday, everyone calls in from work. Also the specs really arent that much better so theres badically no point in an upgrade.

[@nickypoundtown9568]

Sold my PS5 months ago before the Pro makes mine redundant, brought out the PS4 I've practically been playing PS4 games this whole time anyway so

[@DavidBerger-g2h]

Riddled UI with Ads,Subscribtion for Online and Games costing more generally. For that we normally get cheaper Hardware if thats not the case i simply opt for the Steam Deck tbh

[@excessivedetailgaming]

I'm both. I have my PS5, Wii U, and PS Vita. (PS4 and PS3 are packed away). I play them almost daily and I am primarily a console gamer because I like the ease of use, the lack of compatibility issues and maintainance, and most importantly; physical media. I do not like digital media and PC has been digital only for 2 decades (for no reason, PCs can have disc drives, you COULD release physical PC games). I also have an old PC but it's years old and can't run modern games now. I use it mainly for writing and discord. I also have an ASUS ROG Ally for playing Steam games and emulation; and I love it. It's great for indie platformers which is why I got it and it's powerful enough to surpass a PS4 (not sure if it can match a PS5 or not), so I can also play around with Xbox Gamepass on it and try out new releases. I feel I have the best of all options. I also have an Evercade for collecting old classic re-releases, and a 3DS which I rarely play. I do have my classic collections for Sega Saturn and Dreamcast, but I'm OK emulating for now. Still have them in storage though.

[@Electro096]

Yeah ezclusives are dead in the sense of console Exclusives. You can literally buy Microsoft or Sony Exclusives a year or two later on PC so why buy a console if the better experience is a year or two away?

[@Dmu_girl-2008]

I have a ps5 from that list of exclusives I care about 4- 2 will definitely be coming to pc ff rebirth and Spider-Man 2. One will probably come to pc wolverine. Leaving stellar blade that I’ve been waiting to have a small discount before buying. I’m going to move over more to pc for the next few years and see where I am when the ps6 comes out. I will continue to use my ps5 as my dvd player into the future 😂 and for backlog. Edit: I will still be getting a switch 2 at launch if I can.

[@AlasdairXIV]

I wouldn't think consoles good for money, if you can build a cheapo pc that can play the majority of good games for free from the seas it's cheaper than buying a console and buying a bunch of overpriced slop games.

[@MrLobeats]

We're good over here with the big-X. Speak for yourself over there with the Punystation 5, and pro!!!

[@milesedgeworth6353]

The whole premise of this video is just off. Like all of this only makes sense if you make the wrong assumption that Sony is the leader of the industry, which they aren't except for their own made up niche of "High-end console market". Ever since game releases on PC started becoming mainstream, consoles just played 2nd fiddle at that point. PC became the way to go, better performance and modding capabilities just means that the best experience would be had on PC. Then there is the actual console market in which sony and MS are just lagging behind Nintendo big time at this point. I realize this is a strong point of contention for console only gamers because they tend to hate the narrative that Nintendo's archaic tablet is running circle around these new "powerful" gaming boxes, but sales don't lie, and the switch is on track to become Nintendo's most succesful system ever, if not outright dethrone PS2 as the most sold console of all time. Nintendo IS the cheap entry point, like unless they go full R-word and come out of the gate demanding 600$ for switch 2, then gamers will still have a cheap budget option to go for that they can just pop their games in and start playing. The way I see MS knows the current trend of just making a bigger and stronger box is stagnating fast and just doomed to fail, hence their push for cloud gaming. Nintendo realized this waaaayyyy before the other 2 and went on to do their own thing. Sony is the only one truly lagging behind here thinking they'll be safe just doing the same thing they've always done.

[@coinopanimator]

Theres another problem I rarely see anyone address. There is mechanism that allows you to sell on your digital game when its done. You can only resale a disk based game. There is also so way to rent a game for a week or too. Part of the reason we could afford to play so mamy games was because we could rent them at the local blockbuster or even trade or old games in or buy the old stock. I am convinced that if somy and MS allowed people to trade their old digital games even if it was through their store creating a sort of ebay for games that the marketplace would make its 20percent of each sale that would encourage more players to buy consoles and buy more games. Players are more willing to take risks if they are not lumbared with a aoemthing they dont like. I discovered so many great games in bargin bins or traded for. The studios have ahot themselves in the foot because they have forgottten the players and the joys of gaming.

[@NatsumeKonno]

As a PC gamer i know what PSSR is. Its a newer type of Upscaling that uses AI to fill in the game. You will get a huge boost in performance. Frame generation is still early but thats another AI trick to get more boost in performances.

[@ItzSpecter]

Really hope SONY execs get their heads out of their asses and remember why people buy consoles in the first place before Playstation completely tanks. Im still on PS4 with little to no interest to upgrade to the 5 because THERES NO REASON TO DO SO. And an $800 price tag is doing very little to convince me either

[@b4rs629]

Can't blame ya. If I only had a ps4... the 2 things that would convince me is 1. 4k movies 2. Final Fantasy games

[@icantthinkofaname2722]

Why do you think that less exclusivity is a bad thing? In some efd way it lessens the value of a console, but if they main value of a console is in their exclusives they can ef off in my opinion. Also, the target audience of consoles doesn't *care* that the new God of War will release in 1 year on PC they just want banger games for their gaming device of choice which Sony has delivered in my opinion (except Concord ofc) Less exclusives is good overall for consumers, and consoles have other value propositions they can focus on. But it's not like exclusives don't play a role anymore at all, Sony is doing it pretty cleverly I think, I'm happy I can play them on my PC now, but I'm part of the crowd who never would have bought a PlayStation for them anyway no matter how good they are, so it's not like they're losing anything by doing this. And I think the majority of people on PC who play Sony games are either in my boat, or they already played it on PS on release and want to play it again on PC. So I think you are pretty wrong in this regard.

[@RealDevastatia]

It doesn't help that there's only a single hard consonant's difference in pronunciation between "Series S" and "Series X."

[@stinkbanana2522]

This is the first console gen I haven't bought a Playstation. I've always had a PC so I just don't see the point. Only way I see myself buying one is if GTA6 is exclusive.

[@davidoviedo39]

Nah its crazy how mfs will spend 3 times the ammount for better graphics on a video game when you can just go outside for even better graphics

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

Nintendo's Switch is under powered compared to its competition, but has a lot more exclusives with substantially better quality. It's also the only current gen system that's fairly easy to emulate, which they are certainly not happy about one bit, and it sounds like the next system may not fair any better.

[@mylatedroid101]

The best console generation really was the 360, huh? Lmao man we should’ve appreciated it a lot more

[@Rapunzel879]

This is a question I had asked myself over a year ago. I have owned the Series X/S during that time, but I felt increasingly drawn to PC gaming. And it wasn't the potential for better graphics that tempted me, but rather, the freedom of choice. Cutting long story short, I bought a gaming laptop, and I couldn't be happier.

[@markcampbell8590]

I have a PS5 and a Switch, but my PC rig and it’s ecosystems are a better investment for me. Free online, not to mention emulators with 100s of games I can play over time. I don’t really touch my Switch or PS5 much.

[@wardraven8755]

You’re dumbfounded by this? We are talking about sony ps the company that has no games but raises prices.

[@Kenosene]

It’s interesting how every perk that consoles used to have listed here is what is making the Nintendo Switch such a juggernaut in sales. It is an easy to understand, easy to use console with a huge exclusive catalog, and because the Nintendo developers aren’t tied to long development cycles for the sake of pushing technical wonders, the customers are giving a constant flow of mostly quality titles and even recently niche games that wouldn’t even be considered in other platforms. No wonder why the gaming space is so expectant to the Nintendo Switch successor. Now, even though I understand how convenient PC gaming is and have gotten for myself a pretty capable laptop for it, I will never be a PC gaming evangelist because I’m too aware of its qualms. Having to deal with specifications and minimal requirements can be intimidating for many, emulation still can be a pain in the ass when you try to make a game properly run, and some people can be sold on the idea of sitting in front of a computer for leisure when they have spent their entire day working in front of it. Gaming consoles are still needed, but sadly besides Nintendo it seems that both Xbox or Sony have lost the north when it comes to offer a dedicated gaming device.

[@spacecadet-zero]

Good points. Here are some reasons people might still opt for a console based on myself: 1. Mac users. I’m a designer who prefers the platform and OS. And while the power is there for Macs to play games, few developers do so - so it’s not a gaming platform. 2. Ease of Use: Agreed consoles have gotten *less* plug ‘n play but are still far moreso than Windows PCs for gaming (although Win10/11 are much better than before with this). I’m constantly seeing PC gamers still have to do amateur IT for every game: diagnosing driver conflicts, editing settings, navigating hardware compatibility issues etc. throughout play sessions. You even see this on streams. I’m not trying to tweak a game for an hour to play as I only have a limited time weekly between adult obligations. 3. Cost: consoles have gone up (and I have no intention of buying a PS5 pro) but have you seen the cost of an Nvidia card lately? They can cost more than the PS5. Buying or building a PC that outperforms a console is still more - particularly since games are often less optimized on PC and Windows has more system overhead (so need more power for equivalent performance). While you can get one cheapER (not cheap) by building it, most everyday consumers aren’t full-on gamer hobbyists. And as a side note most powerful prebuilt gaming PCs are large, loud and look designed by 13 year old boys hopped up on Transformers. 4. Timed exclusives - Less of a reason but still. I actually broke down and bought a console when I finished HZD abd didn’t want to wait extra years to play its sequel. Although here I notice timing windows have shortened. And often PC ports are buggy and poorly optimized- although HFW was the exception and this might actually be part of console makers’ strategy frankly.

[@definitelynotacyborg]

Tbh the cost argument is pretty much meh at this moment. If you live in Europe where the PS5 Pro is going for 800€ (about 900$US) you can build a comparable if not better PC from the money. And the question of optimization is fudd lore at best. Very few games came out in the past 10 years that actually run better on console than PC, notably a few in-house Sony games but even those are very much end up usually running better on PC even though they were designed as games for the PS5. As for conflicts I haven't really had the misfortune of doing that for 15 years now, with the exception of Bethesda titles but those are even worse on console because no access to any tinkering and facing very similar issues. And a lot of games I actually want to play don't release on consoles at all, or takes for them a year or more to get there, so the timed exclusives thing goes both ways.

[@Dank_Engine]

I've been a PC gamer for decades. The only consoles I have are Switch and Steam Deck.

[@Kingspod-l9e]

I bought a PS5 about 8 months ago, the main reason I bought it was because it was a bit cheaper than a good PC ( I got it on black Friday and it came with 1 year of free PS+). sure it might not have first party games, but the ones it does have were very fun for me (mainly FF7 rebirth). but there's always the other games that are on the store. the PS5 pro isn't that disappointing as if it is able to do what it says it will it will probably be good (as long is its bought at a sale or something). But the basic PS5 is probably good enough if you just want to play games

[@Jorda5s]

I got a series s during the shutdown cause it was too expensive to build a pc at the time. Halo infinite seemed promising but was a flop. Now that gpus are affordable again theres no reason to get a console let alone upgrade the one you already got if your got one from this generation. I already started building my pc slowly as I can afford it and now im going to sell my series s while it still has value once my pc build is complete. I have a jailbroken switch and ps4 and most xbox games you can get on pc now so I really wont be missing out on much from this generation.

[@Flaris]

Honestly I think it's just becoming less and less worthwhile. The exclusives are diminishing and they are trying to erase the disc drive. One of the most historical advantages they had when PC went digital a long time ago. At this point there really is no reason to buy a console. And they are really going to try and make it even more pointless as time goes on. Disc drives are being pushed to the "optional add-on" category and who knows if even that will be an option with the PS6. Sony and Microsoft are killing consoles. Nintendo may be the only one left standing in the aftermath.

[@goldtoothslair3052]

I mean you definitely do make a lot of good points and being somebody that plays on a gaming laptop now but still has their console. I definitely see the difference. But I hate to be one of those people but when I got my gaming laptop I was called a f****** idiot for wasting money on a gaming laptop when I should have coughed up the 2500 to get the state of the line PC 5 years ago. Not only that I still had to try to learn and figure out how most of the stuff on this laptop even works like no joke just the other day I finally figured out after 5 years what zip files were and how they work in what program I needed to make it work. Let me rephrase that. 5 years! I mentioned this to a buddy of mine he told me you should have told me this day one because I would have told you everything on what a zip file was that you need this to run some emulated games. And that also doesn't come to the fact that when you get your PC or gaming laptop you're supposed to go through the f****** back codes of it to uninstall and reinstall certain programs that were forcibly put into the computer or to forcefully remove programs that you don't want which is something I refuse to do because I do not have the knowledge and I don't want to turn the 1,500 PC that I paid for to be turned into nothing more than a f****** paperweight if I accidentally mess up a single line of code. And then when you ask this out of anybody that is in the PC Square yes you do get some generally good people that try to help you but they use terms in languages that I don't understand. Like my buddy had to seriously teach me depressing control shift Windows button opens up a far depth search bar for all of your Hardware all the actual gaming laptop and nowhere in the manual does it tell you that you're supposed to do that or how to do that. And it's things like that that makes people like me feel like we're extremely f****** dumb and stupid for not knowing this and then we get called dumb and stupid.

[@PluuuumE]

I plan on spoiling GTA 6 for as many PC players as possible. Itll blow up as a massive meme, but I plan to infiltrate peoples filters.

[@tre2636]

I just wish all the games were on pc. Like some of my favorite games are either never coming to pc, came to pc extremely late, or have worser versions on pc. So yeah

[@Malisteen]

intel cpus are eating themselves. amd's cpu offerings are disappointing and they're withdrawing from the high end gpu market. nvidia is running away with their own monopolistic price gouging. microsoft is taking the piss with windows. every tech company out there is chasing the ai bubble, or milking their users for personal data, or both. The pc market offers no escape from the bullshit currently drowning the console market.

[@garfgarf331]

Good video. Personally I am pc player but I was beyond tired of people saying that console players are stupid because they get ripped off more. I have friends that prefer console due to not wanting to mess around with a pc or just don’t like to sit at a pc when there 9-5 is messing around on windows all day. You’re the first person that actually considers the other side of the coin nice work.

[@Dededvine]

I’m just chilling over here playing Mario odyssey on my switch.

[@Scornfull]

Exclusives always were an anti consumer practice and only ever benefited console manufacturers at the detriment to their customers

[@haruhipalomo4636]

Xbox is pretty much giving up, sony is way too overpriced and nintendo is just a bully I'm just gonna stick to a pc + steam deck combo at least until steam becomes corrupted by greed, by then I'll just quit gaming or stick to the next best thing