Why buy breeder queens?

This video is about Why buy breeder queens. For my operation here in Brittany, I need to at least start with well-selected queens, if I have any chance of raising some good stocks!
Duncan Simmons inseminated and open mated Buckfast queen : [e-mail]
Buckfast Holland: www.buckfast.nl email : [e-mail]
Dr Peter Stoffen: www.buckfast-zucht.de [e-mail]

[@ACornishHoney]

Thank you, I can’t wait to get my queens from Duncan Simmons.

[@houstonsheltonbees814]

Brilliant talk man 👍 can't believe I missed this one. Great job thanks 👍

[@richardnoel3141]

thanks, I hope it give you thoughts on your options. there's no doubt, buying in a breeder queen gives you a head start in your genetic selection. best of luck.

[@houstonsheltonbees814]

@@richardnoel3141 thanks for all the links to the breeders 👍 and your response 👍

[@darrenpierce9903]

Fantastic video. Really enjoyed this one👍

[@richardnoel3141]

Darren Pierce; NZ thank you! Glad you liked it! It’s very difficult to be non bias when making a video like this. Like I say, it is what it is!! Thanks for your comment!

[@mikehill9888]

Thanks for the effort that you put into your videos. I drive 60 to 65 hrs in 5 days to stay busy. It is great to see you create value!!#

[@richardnoel3141]

Mike Hill thanks Mike, I think I get what your saying! I try and keep content real and free from BS! Not easy these days! Hang back on the driving! 😊

[@calvinkalmon6746]

Very nice talk, thank you!

[@richardnoel3141]

Thank you Calvin.

[@AntennaBee]

Hi Richard very good insight into breeder queens intoduction I'm very surpised on the mite levels on the Marken & Stoffen queens as I have older versions in service !!

[@gwenyngruffydd]

great insight!!!👍🏻👍🏻

[@richardnoel3141]

Thanks buddy!

[@badassbees3680]

Good info, Thanks for Sharing! Not alot of info on Breeder Queen stuff out there so thank you !

[@richardnoel3141]

Baddest Bees thanks for your kind words! I appreciate your comments! It’s a tricky video to make. You have to just say it how it is!!

[@badassbees3680]

@@richardnoel3141 Hey man, your very Humble..but you've taught me sooo much over the years , I truly appreciate what you do Man! When you're sharing I'm paying attention 👍

[@gregmccammon2330]

Hey Richard love you videos and your music. Very catchy. I was wondering if you could do a video on the traits passsed down by queens and traits passed down through drones. Example aggression passed through the drones. You’re a great teacher. My queens are so much better thanks to your teaching!

[@tomkley441]

Great video like always Richard. About the varoa resistance, I've read that even tested queens you buy can be desapointing because epigenetics is playing its part in the equation.

[@richardnoel3141]

Tom Kley yes I agree and heard this many times. We’re still only getting to grips with Vsrroa resistance in bees!

[@dragangolic6515]

Nice video, I would remove the last frame from the first hive at this moment. good luck Richard!!

[@buttsbeesllc4063]

Added genetics 2 years ago. Added a different varroa resistance but not like my stock. I allowed open mating so the genetics are out there but the II breeder was not as strong as my girls. Nice video !!

[@richardnoel3141]

its a great way to start but it can take a long time. the daughters you open mate will or may have only a max of 50% of the mother queens genetics as you probably already know. testing and culling to promote the best ones with the strongest traits will help you! it's a hard process. good luck!

[@smolen]

it is not as obvious and easy like adding pigment to a bucket of paint. Because of large number of chromosomes predicting gene expression is quite complicated even if you use instrumental insemination (drones are not random). It is also good to know that hygienic behaviour (varroa resistance also) is determined not by single allele (gene) but specific combination of alleles, thus the outcome is depending on quality and stability of infroduced gene poll, saturation of area with valuable drones and your luck.

[@vasilizaitsef2252]

Congratulations for the video!

[@richardnoel3141]

thank you very much.

[@vasilizaitsef2252]

@@richardnoel3141 i think apis melifera melifera would be better tolerant the varoa mite

[@richardnoel3141]

giorgos papas yes I said this in the introduction. But I would rather have mites , prolific bees and honey than agressive bees with poor build up and chalk brood!

[@mrnos16]

I find Duncan Simmons one of the best queen breeders in the UK. All queens I get from him perform amazing.

[@russellkoopman3004]

Hope you will let us know what level the mites are in the rest of the hives. I was as surprised as you that the counts were that high. They all looked so healthy and vibrant with such a good temperament. Good luck with those dang mites.

[@richardnoel3141]

yes i will dont worry! thanks.

[@benjamindejonge3624]

I know that problem with with melifera iberiense so many moons ago I had some buckfast queens from Lutz Eggert , now I do Carni,s from Italy, both do great offspring’s, but overtime they hybrid and you have to refresh the stock.

[@harrybird514]

Hi Richard do you buy tried and tested and proven queens or are they either island mated or II young queens with the right genetics. Just wondered because there is big difference in price. I am thinking of changing to buckfast because of the reasons you have mentioned. Interested in your thoughts on this. great videos by the way.

[@kimberesford2444]

Really interesting stuff Richard. I’ll try one of Duncan’s queens next year I think based on your results and given that he’s uk based. How much should I expect to pay for his inseminated Buckfasts? I’m relatively happy with my attempts in this first year of queen rearing, my final graft of thirty cells has given me 17 marked queens all now doing well in their 6 frame poly nucs. All fed and treated with fingers crossed for the winter. Also, I noticed today that the bees are suddenly going crazy on the very abundant ivy here in sunny Derbyshire which is good to see. It’s seems that like you, we also are having a last minute turn of good weather at the moment. It’s just a shame we didn’t get it during the summer flow. All the best and many thanks for the great videos. Cheers Kim

[@richardnoel3141]

Kim Beresford hi Kim, well done you! A breeder queen is usually around the 90 to 150 mark depending on how it’s mated, open or inseminated! Keep up the good work!!

[@kimberesford2444]

Richard Noel it’s funny how predictive text almost makes sense when it gets it wrong. I’m sure I typed “17 MATED queens”? Regarding the breeder queens I presume £150 is for the inseminated queens? Certainly not a prohibitive cost but expensive enough to make you do everything possible to get them accepted.

[@richardnoel3141]

Kim Beresford lol indeed John! if your buying a good inséminateur queenshe can indeed be a lot more. I’ve heard of some people paying up to 1,000 euros for a top queen! She was probably worth It too if you run a large queen rearing operation and want to bring in highly selected genetics

[@kimberesford2444]

Richard Noel that’s way out of my league but I can see that it would make viable sense to someone in that high end breeding market. I’ll ease my way in with Duncan’s £150 queens. Softly softly catchee monkey. Thanks for the info. Kim

[@richardnoel3141]

Kim Beresford don’t think you will be paying that much. I think Duncan’s are good value for money and their Uk raised! BUY BRITISH!!😉😂

[@johnmorgan9435]

Richard, Thanks for the video. Would have been interesting to see a varroa wash sample from one of those 'shitty' local bees you mentioned? A 'control group' sample is essential in getting the real situation. At least that is what I have found with bees where I am.

[@richardnoel3141]

I agree but in this instance when we're still really busy its at least a quick indication of what's going on. I think I am going to breed mites next year, not bees, pretty good at that lol!!😂

[@lectiiapicultura]

Are you curious about the three lines, from which you will choose to reproduce the year, and which pleased you the most?

[@spike2111982]

do you have video on how to make the pollen sub?

[@brianjpatton]

Richard, I love your videos, thank you. One question I have, regarding your 'queen catcher cage' that you really like, where can I buy one of those.? Thanks in advance

[@richardnoel3141]

Hi Brian, here’s the link : www.apimobru.com Best regards, Richard

[@brianjpatton]

@@richardnoel3141 thank you so much

[@noelhamilton8332]

Richard where in the world are you? How do you keep your varoa treatments out of your wax, watched your whole video very interesting thanks noel new zealand.

[@imkereistappert3183]

Hi Richard, great video again! Very interesting to listen where you are at right now regarding breeding and great trick to get the bees in the pot! Will copy that😊 Regarding breeding i got very fortunate to have a buddy here in germany whos a professional and involved in a buckfast vsh program in bavaria. What i learned is, its an incredible amount of work of a few and kind of impossible to get great genetics easy on the internet, because its still a long way to go and the best vsh breeders in europe like paul jungels in luxemburg dont sell their great queens just like that. Unfortunately there are also people who make money by saying its varroa resistant etc. he told me. I chose now that next season i will start my own breeding line/s and will get nearly all my queens a controlled mating every year to get a feet on the ground, hopefully harvest more honey and dont have to buy queens. Right now i think its a great idea and i can do the job😅 will see how it goes. Greetings, Flo

[@richardnoel3141]

Ackerbau und Viehzucht thanks, yes Indeed. I completely agree. I just joined a similar breeding group and already I am seeing much lower mite levels in the queens I am open mating than the ones I paid good money for, as per the video! Yes it’s a huge amount of work but it is worth it in the long term! You may have noticed the pedigree card that came with the Dr Peter Stoffen queen clearly shows it inséminated with Paul Jungels lines, sadly it does not seem to perform against varroa. However it’s a lovely queen and I am sure will perform well next year!

[@imkereistappert3183]

@@richardnoel3141 Yes, very true! The only possible way out of the mite dilemma. Ah ok, even inseminated. Would be great to know how she performs next year! And i would love to see how your own queens are doing.

[@richardnoel3141]

Ackerbau und Viehzucht thanks, don’t worry I will keep you posted, if I forget drop me a line! Have a good winter and a strong spring. Thanks for your comments. Very Interesting!

[@ralfmatulat]

I have helped counting mites at a bavarian buckfast VSH breeding group last year and joined this year a breeding group more next to me. It is a huge amount of work. Maybe one should do a video about how mite resistance is exactly meassured.

[@imkereistappert3183]

@@ralfmatulat yes, that would be great! Really not that much background pictures available. Where are you at exactly? Greetings!

[@MikeBandte]

Sorry Richard, but you are expecting to much from the Queens. The last one had 20% less. That is a really good result. The Varroa tolerance breeding is still at the beginning. We are making small steps. All the Best. Mike

[@richardnoel3141]

Mike Bandte May be but when you considered where the mother and drone lines have come from, ( the pedigree) and the cost with the claims, you would at least expect to see a lower mite count! I am currently testing other queens and their mite counts are significantly lower. Just from Open mating in my yard. The last one was an inséminated queen with known drone lines Should have even a little better in my mind!

[@MikeBandte]

@@richardnoel3141 But that is not the case. As a breeder you are not only looking after the Varroa. As a Carnica Varroa tolerance breeder( in Germany), I am looking for well-behaved, not runny, healthy, with a good brood nest, not swarming, Vorroa tolerance and they should make also a lot honey. Varroa tolerance makes about 40% of the numbers that the Queen are rated for. Sorry for my bad english. You are going into breeding. We are gonna see what you think in 5 years. By the way. I was near to your place on holyday the last two weeks. Thanks for your Videos. I love them. Mike

[@richardnoel3141]

Mike Bandte thanks Mike, your English is excellent and I really appreciate the way you explain your selection criteria! Next time come past! Hope you enjoyed FRANCE! 💪🏻💯🐝🐝🐝

[@johnfleming7203]

Richard have you considered using Co2 rather than alcohol? I’m thinking of drilling a hole in side and using cork or bike co2 pump

[@richardnoel3141]

John Fleming yes I have actually tried it the problem is the mites often stick to the bees as the bees can get humid and sticky! The other good way is a sugar shake, bees don’t die but it’s still not as accurate as an alcohol wash!! Thanks for your comments!

[@johnfleming7203]

Richard Noel many thanks for your comment, really useful

[@mbgal7758]

Thank you for another great video. I really enjoyed it. I’m curious about something that if you have time I was hoping you might answer. I’ve heard that artificially inseminated queens are more likely to be superseded. Is this true or is this just a marker of a poorly inseminated queen and they need to get better quality queens?

[@richardnoel3141]

Hi Heather, There is some evidence to suggest that some inseminated queens are not as long-lasting as some open mated queens, but this may be the way she is inseminated (not correctly) or not enough semen. There is also an issue that if the queen is not given enough space to move around after shes been inseminated for the sperm to migrate to the Spermatheca. It is said it's very important she had good movement to do this and not just stuck in a tiny cage. Mating nucs or nucs allow greater movement! although the process of producing inseminated queens is complicated, to have such quality queens that will still lay for two years still akes the queen a very viable proposition. in this case, quality is far better than quantity in terms of future daughter production!

[@mbgal7758]

Richard Noel thank you for the answer, I figured there were probably multiple factors at play and not just a black or white

[@stevesoutdoorworld4340]

Hey Richard what do you think of Caucasian Queens? I was thinking of getting a few in the spring.

[@richardnoel3141]

To be honest I’ve ne we tried them. Just be sure their from a climate zone well suited to yours. Otherwise they won’t do well! Which would be a great shame!

[@stevesoutdoorworld4340]

@@richardnoel3141 Thank you Richard!

[@EnergyhillsBees]

I think mite levels have been generally fairly high this year.

[@richardnoel3141]

I think their getting higher every year

[@michaellavazza960]

Retest them all. The sampling error is crazy...same hive second measurements 23 vs 1 vs 15 etc. the might wash numbers have a crazy variance. I’ve been going to the onseys and twoseys and giving them free queens...and a frame of drone comb.

[@richardnoel3141]

No their all levelled off at the bottom of the testing cup. It has a line and it equates to about 100 bees.

[@michaellavazza960]

Richard Noel I’m saying you check the next frame and get drastically different results

[@richardnoel3141]

Michael Lavazza I see your point but it makes no difference! There is still way too many mites in those colonies. Can’t waste any more time confirming what we already know. Thanks is for your comments!

[@rchrystalable]

Hey guys have you seen this new video from Randy Oliver, It goes through his latest 2020 testing of which frame and why he is moving from alcohol to washing up liquid.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sInNdYZ6bpd8gtU

[@michaellavazza960]

Richard Noel also did you pull the vsh and check for reproductive mite in larvae. Your mights could be coming from drift etc and counts could be very low comparatively. I think until you get your yard and surrounding via swarms and other beeks embracing vsh it’s a tough battle!

[@bradgoliphant]

Hello, what kind of bees do you have? Where did you get your queen?

[@richardnoel3141]

Brad Oliphant if you follow the links you will see their BUCKFAST queens from 3 different. Places.

[@daveshearn2743]

This is a little off the suject but what are the dimensions on the frames you are using? They look deeper than standard Langstroth deeps but not as large as layens.

[@richardnoel3141]

yes, they are about an inch deeper than the Langstroth deeps. their actually all Dadant frames. its what most people use over here in France

[@daveshearn2743]

Thank you for the quick response. I really appreciate the information I get from watching your channel.

[@richardnoel3141]

@@daveshearn2743 your welcome

[@richardsydenham4105]

It has be proven that just because bees are resitant from one airier that they will be resitant in yours (Bienen insitut Erlangen Germany 2019)

[@louiseibbotson588]

Very interesting vlog Noel , how many strips will you give the nuc,s

[@richardnoel3141]

They will get the reccomend treatment. That’s all I can legally do but I can give treatments of of vaporised Oxyalic acid every 5 days which should knock them down really quickly!💪🏻👌🏻🐝

[@russellkoopman3004]

@@richardnoel3141 OAV with that much brood is not going to knock down the mite quickly. If you are using Apivar with OAV you probably will get good control quickly. My 2 cents worth.

[@essaios_.8330]

@@richardnoel3141 I agree with russel for apivar when brood is present,oa is great for winter ❄️

[@garydungelman6530]

Good day Richard. If the queen gets a mite on her. Do the other bees pick the mites off of her or do the mites kill her too thank you sir

[@richardnoel3141]

Hi Gary, good question, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. in the queen's case more often they do take it off as the queen does have specific nurse bees. some types of bee bred for this such as Mite Maulers definitely would!

[@garydungelman6530]

@@richardnoel3141 thank you for your reply Richard God bless

[@campdavidsonfunctionaltrai8583]

hopefully :)

[@richardnoel3141]

Yes, there’s a lot of that going on around here right now!

[@campdavidsonfunctionaltrai8583]

your one of the good ones...keep it up.

[@richardnoel3141]

Camp Davidson thank you!

[@jobney]

3:27 Mike Palmer mentioned he offers to requeen the hives of backyard beekeepers near his mating nuc apiaries at no cost to help decrease the chances of unfavorable drones. I wonder how many he actually does in practice?

[@richardnoel3141]

yes, I do the same, but there is so many beekeepers in a 10-kilometre radius it's difficult!

[@ralfmatulat]

Taking Mite samples: Randy Oliver lately did some research on this topic. He came to some really interessting conclusions. Worth reading :)

[@richardnoel3141]

Hobbyimkerei Stadtrandhonig yes I follow Randy Oliver. I have just used the standard method this time but I will be trying different things over the forthcoming months. Thanks for your comments!

[@deepshock9684]

Hello, would it be possible to buy some Queens from your stock?

[@richardnoel3141]

sorry, I need all my stock for next year. contact the sellers via the links I've put up in the description. thanks.

[@wadebarnes6720]

Flood the area was drones

[@norfolkhoneybee273]

I would take bees that dont care your stand in front of the hive any day, over hive that has there eye on you from 30 feet away but produce a extra jar of honey.

[@richardnoel3141]

norfolk honeybee I have to agree, I have a yard for the cranky ones and it’s very much like that, but I want two extra pots of honey to avoid the queen getting the hive tool test!!

[@norfolkhoneybee273]

I see what you are saying.

[@allenkracower4787]

What do you mean you have taken daughters from queens?

[@beehivewithaview9760]

Probably grafted some larva and created queens from these breeder queens.

[@richardnoel3141]

Yes I have already raised some daughters from the first queen.

[@wadekratzmann9105]

Get rid of the ads please.

[@richardnoel3141]

All ads are skippable after 5 seconds and none appear during the video! So you expect me to work for nothing? We receive a very small amount of money from you tube. It helps a little.

[@Swarmstead]

Textbook cognitive dissonance. Expensive queens for what? High mite numbers, and they require treatment just to live? Not runny? You can get bees like that for free. But oh, she has a fancy number sticker on her! Commercial beekeepers stymie me. Thanks for sharing though.

[@stuartmackenzie6767]

If you are getting good queens for free, then someone else is paying for them. Don't kid yourself that good bees happen by accident.

[@richardnoel3141]

Stuart Mackenzie well said Stuart!

[@Swarmstead]

I should have expected that from Stuart.