Why Child Prodigies are not miracles - Reaction

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[@heartofthekeys]

Hi everyone! I hope you enjoyed the livestream! If you have other interesting videos you would like to watch together in a livestream let me know in the comments! Also don’t forget to check out my upcoming album release concert: www.easyticket.de/veranstaltung/annique-goettler-chopin-etudes-cd-release-concert/94675/

[@geroelze7566]

I hate David Garrett. One of my favorit violinists is/was Nathan Milstein. Hahn and Mutter are very good to. I think the most Important thing are gens: Kempff, Horowitz, Rubinstein.

[@g.970]

In Lang Lang’s defense……I took a friend to his London concert last year. My friend only ever goes to rock and pop concerts. When we left the Royal Albert Hall she told me “That was the best concert I’ve ever attended.” So if he can inspire young people then I think he’s great.

[@maleahlock]

I did some research (quite a while ago now) about cultural interactions with the concept and persons of child prodigy's. In a huge percentage of cases where there was documentation the child was being blatantly exploited, abused, and forced to perform for no compensation. It was really hard to read some of it. It definitely impacted how I raised my own child.

[@berndrietdorff6432]

Ich wollte als Kind immer Klavier lernen und durfte nicht, weil es nicht zu einem Jungen passte. Ich habe mir das Spielen selbst beigebracht, dillettantisch natürlich. Mit ende 20 habe ich dann noch einmal Unterricht genommen, da war es dann schon ziemlich spät. Es hat sich für mich dennoch gelohnt, denn es macht mich glücklich. Vor einiger Zeit habe ich noch einmal Stunden bei einem bulgarischen Pianisten genommen, der hat mir einige Zähne gezogen " Warum willst du La Campanella spielen, du bist kein Pianist, du bist Busfahrer von Beruf! Du hast bald eine Sehnenscheidentzündung und kannst es dann immer noch nicht. Spiele lieber das, was du kannst und habe Freude daran. Das habe ich beherzigt und spiele das, was mir Freude bereitet. Ich besitze sogar einen kleinen Flügel und der erwärmt mein Herz, wann immwr ich ihn spiele. Ich bewundere die Stringenz, mit der du deine Karriere verfolgst und wünsche dir maximalen Erfolg bei allem was du noch vorhast, ich bleibe bei meinem bescheidenen Hobby. Viele liebe Grüsse aus Berlin und alles Gute für dich! Keep going!❤

[@apathytowards]

it's kinda strange, that in Germany people have stereotypes like this. considering that Germany has one of the largest musical heritages, and in fact many (most) were men.

[@lauragarmon6969]

I was a ”talented” kid. I won every competition I was in from age 8-12. Was I a prodigy? No! I started at 6, by the time I was 11, I changed over to the horn and only looked back at the piano for reciprocal duets with a fellow horn/piano student. This is what I did besides school as my childhood occupation. I loved it and started again in my late 40’s with a local symphony for fun.

[@g.970]

Your path is similar to mine except I switched to piano at 35.

[@myklkay]

Mozart started to learn an instrument at 5 and was in contact with music before he learned to read words : he just red another language before the one he spoked. His first compositions are not really amazing. But he had perfect pitch and an amazing memory : that’s what made the difference.

[@ggishallou]

Thank you for this! I wholeheartedly agree with you that these "prodigy" children are a product of hard work and incredible parental support. I was fortunate to attend private schools and was bilingual at an early age. Also, started playing the piano at 7. I was never great at anything for a long time. Took me years of my parents' support and tutors to be able to do well in school. Now, after two physics degrees, I can say that things have become so much easier for me as an adult. I'm able to have a comfortable life with a steady income and pick up the piano after years away from it during college. Also, I wish I could come over to Germany to see you play at your concert! I guess I'll have to settle with buying your CD the moment it's out. 😋

[@margaridagameiro8517]

I heard your vidéo with attention. I had already listen a full interview to David Garrett about his biography. Both confirm that first the child has to have a natural interest/talent/ passion for music and playing an instrument. To get an early maturity to show emotion when playing and learn quickly the technicatilities (piano,violin more often). To develop in a visible way, one needs parents who believe you have a high potential and have the financial capabilities. Then practicing, having the right teachers, discipline, health (fisical and mental) to support pressure. The starting point is the inner soul and sensibility of the child. After hardworking, networking , open up professional carreer as musician. I have been to live concerts of Lang Lang, Trifonov, Anne-Sophie Mutter, soon David Garret and hope you 6 october in Stuttgard, a city Ii hope to discover at that occasion. Will follow you . I was impressed.❤❤❤

[@MusicalsInTheMaking]

When I was younger, I always thought that those who could play faster than me could play better than myself. I recently realized at a piano competition at a renowned university this past October that the difficulty lies not in the speed, but in the technique. (The piece I played was the most different from all the others--I played Debussy's Sunken Cathedral; the other competitors would play faster, showier songs.) My piano teacher says that it was a great accomplishment that I made it to the finals being only my first time there and a grade ahead. (I just turned fourteen on the day of your concert in Liederhalle Stuttgart, Germany.) I found you last month because I was looking for technique helps with an etude by Chopin. I really appreciate that you take the time to make these videos for others. They are extremely helpful!

[@sacrilegiousboi978]

For me personally, I learned much better as a mature teenager and young adult because when I was a child I had zero discipline or attention span so missed a lot of things during lessons so my technique was very poor until I was about 18 or so. Most people would say it’s too late by then to improve technique by then but I’m now 25 and I’m playing advanced works by Rachmaninoff, Chopin, Liszt etc at a high level that I could only dream of playing in my teens. I now perform them in local concerts to paying audiences. The only problem with not getting to an advanced level when you’re young in terms of getting a big career as a pianist is that talent/marketing agents, competition judges and conductors focus on the up and coming young prodigies who can play Liszt and Chopin at age 12 even if without the musical depth of a late bloomer. Most music competitions have an age limit of 30 or 35 and almost always winners are in their early 20s with lots of connections, performances with orchestras and competition prizes already.

[@gargeegirdhari2186]

i think that this documentary has a lot to learn from for parents more than their children. i am one of those kids who did not get the resources and opportunities that could have made people call me a "child prodigy". I had some resentment against my parents about it until a while ago, but i understand them as well as an adult now. But I would chose to have a difficult childhood if it meant i get to learn all the important skills at a young age instead of what i have right now( financing myself and my lessons and juggling work and lessons and practice). It's so difficult at the age of 24 trying and working and dreaming about being a professional pianist which would have been definitely easier in a young age. Prodigy or not, learning some thing as a kid is always better. I hope young parents watch this and talk or discuss with their kids about what they want even if they are too young to make their own decisions.

[@mo-mo-ni]

Tolles Livestream ! War ganz abgetaucht darin 🥰 sehr schön, wie offen du dich zeigst, das inspiriert viele da draussen 💚 toi toi toi in der Liederhalle 🌈 Liebe Grüsse aus der 🇨🇭

[@schrysafis]

1:25:20 is the important note I keep when it comes to music. Richter along with all the top pianists of the 20th century played with such depth which comes down to how they felt music through personal experiences. One could say it's what music unites us and not who is competing the best among all...

[@luccielectone395]

Very much agree that the parents or parents support play a big role in making a child prodigy.

[@tubezaspiak]

Fascinating. Your observations were spot on. Have a great concert on Oct 6th!

[@carriek8402]

Some people retain an ease of learning in a child-prodigy type of way later in life! Everyone is different. But I agree that the competition with those who have been playing since they were four years old is really tough. My ex for example started at 16 and a couple years later got into a university degree and was able to play Chopin’s Fantaisie Impromptu and got top of the class in our written exams (we met in class). It’s a shame cos despite these absolutely incredible achievements he still felt the competition between him and those with all these years ahead of him was debilitating and I don’t think he plays anymore :(

[@paultaylor1814]

I started playing piano at age 7 and continued with formal lessons until age 14. All of my siblings play piano and both of my parents took lessons as kids but only my dad played throughout his life. I think the big thing is you have to enjoy practising. If you don't, you're not going to get anywhere.

[@saneyaha]

Thank you for your channel and the talk on this topic. It's very useful! I am happy to find your channel! We also live in Germany 😊

[@CodyHazelleMusic]

Love your channel and have watched it for a long time... random question I bet you've been asked before but what's your hair care routine? It always looks so great

[@louiseparis4754]

I’m just starting to play now at age 62, and enjoying it more than when I was young, and learning from KZbin subscriptions pertaining to piano including yours. I mostly play by ear, but I’m learning theory from my husband, who reached grade 9 piano.

[@koskinen2246]

Oh a livestream, and… missed it. This is a very interesting topic when it surfaces. Oh well greetings from Finland! Oh and I started to play piano when I was about 16 and only after 6 years got my first lessons and the organ I started around 19. Atm I’m studying, composing and planning a future as an organist. Almost all of my freetime went to practicing (40h or so :P) and the pieces I’m ready to play… oh Chopin nocturnes like op48no1, Sibelius Valse triste and more I would have never thought I’d have been able to even dream to play. With organ some Boellmann(Gothique suite), Mozart f-minor fantasy and of course there has to be tons of Bach :D. So far I’ve studied music/played for seven years

[@maleahlock]

Also: My family could only afford a few months of lessons for me in my entire life, and those teachers were awful. I am self taught. You tube is where I learned technique, second hand music theory books is where I figured out some theory. I truly think it comes down to how much money you can throw at things.

[@Cardstacker]

I am also largely self-taught, but I think it's more the right opportunity/environment than money, that has to be in your favor, and the child has to show extraordinary interest in curiosity to soak it up at a fast enough pace to achieve adult level mastery at an early age. If I have kids, I will expose them to piano and other things early in different ways and times and see if it's something they really latch on to.

[@robertorosario4052]

For me its better to be normal than a prodigy.

[@pjbpiano]

Were you a prodigy?

[@8Dorfzocker8]

Hallo Annique, Ich habe den Stream nachträglich geschaut während ich noch bis spät Abends etwas für die Arbeit machen musste. Du hast mir auf jeden Fall geholfen durchzuhalten :). Gerne weitere Videos/Streams in diesem Format. Würde mich freuen dann auch live dabei sein zu können. Und Ich hoffe sehr auf ein Konzert von dir etwas näher an meiner Heimat in Thüringen :). Viele Grüße und danke für deine tollen Videos!

[@nanthilrodriguez]

As an adult who had a more typical life of music (high school band, music in college), I was never presented with capable and competent teachers when I was a child. I had the drive and the desire, but I kept being handled with kid gloves. So while some are treated severely and over serious, the opposite is struggling to teach yourself when everyone around you either refuses or fails to acknowledge the kind of child they're dealing with. It isn't until now, at more than 30, financially independent, that I've finally found the ability to study with the zealous appetite that I have always had. I would trade it all to have had the right piano teacher as a child.

[@villep7907]

You mentioned you practise 6-8h a day if you have the time. How do you keep productive during the hours? Do you have breaks after some time, or do you get it through with "passion/ 'it's a job' "? I find I get really unfocused after about 40-60min

[@7James77]

Its nost likely not 6-8 hrs straight. Its broken into segments

[@sacrilegiousboi978]

It’s probably not 6-8 hours of literal playing. More than 6 hours of solid playing long term will risk injury even with a good technique. Probably means at the piano/working at developing her pianism. A good chunk of it is probably mental work - analysing/looking at scores and recording, listening back and assessing her playing. Most concert pianists don’t literally play for 6+ hours straight unless they’re working towards competitions with lots of repertoire. I might be wrong though.

[@peterchan6082]

I'd been wondering why you had Chinese calligraphy on your wall. Now I am absolutely astonished to hear that you're half German half Taiwanese ! So do you speak/read Chinese? By the way I am an amateur concert pianist from Hongkong.

[@DrQuizzler]

I feel like I've learned quite a lot about you watching this documentary with you. I also spent a lot of the time watching you, while grinning and poking my cheeks in an attempt to grow dimples. I walked by a mirror just now, and I don't see much change. I'll keep you posted on that. I wish there were a documentary of the lives of "normal" kids like I was, because I wouldn't characterize my childhood as having been "laid-back" or "easy", even compared to the hectic pace of those Wunderkinder in that documentary. I felt bad for the mom with the two boys. She seemed so self-effacing and self-sacrificing in the name of her kids' talent and passion for music. As a parent you want to give your kids the best opportunities, but a parent should also be well-rounded, or he or she can run the risk of burnout. Of course, many "normal" kids' parents shuttle their kids to soccer games, choir practice, ballet lessons, etc., and help with PTA meetings, bake sales, and Girl Scout Cookie drives. I'm happy for Anne-Sophie Mutter that her Plan-A worked out so well for her, but I 100% agree with you that since most students eventually wash out of classical music, which generally doesn't pay super-well anyway, there should be a Plan-B career path for sustenance just in case. My Plan-B eventually became my adult profession, and it makes it possible for me nowadays to mess around with music on my own terms.

[@GabLapolicePianiste]

I think one of the more important thing is to have huge passion about one thing. Some people don't have big passion, like lot of thing, but not like a passion. Then, you need a very good structure to your practice of this discipline because you can spend hours without improving if you don't do the right things.

[@daniel-dj4ch]

Passion without talent leads to amateurism.

[@floring67]

Yeah, you asked for opinions about David Garrett: I don't have a problem with the fact that he is a "crossover violinist"; but I am bothered when he plays Beethoven's concerto without any trace of feelings involvement, only centered on his person and what he can show; that's what I've said in an accidental interview at the 2013 edition of Enescu festival. Far different from Lang Lang, who genuinely feels what he is playing (he can make a really beautiful sound, even if he overshows it, and he has an overall conception of the music he plays, even I might not always agree with it). Also, I do not agree with many aspects of that video conclusions. A real prodigy child would always show some innate physical abilities that ordinary people don't have. Like absolute pitch, very precocious understanding of music and natural musical sense, fantastic memory, things you cannot just learn, no matter how much you practice. These skills must be trained and educated tho. Sorry for the long story, but I kinda was a wunderkind myself, I had absolute pitch (without knowing it), after learning basics of music at the elementary school I was able to write down music from memory, I was attracted to the sound of the piano. I pressed my parents a lot to get me study the piano, it only happened a bit late, when I was 10. That didn't prevent me to skip some grades (besides ordinary school) and get to the level required to enter the Conservatory. Except that I didn't, I went for a different profession, but that's another story. But I went far enough to play Chopin 2nd concerto, some Beethoven sonatas (like no.23 for example), some Chopin etudes, even all Nocturnes; all out of passion and mostly against my parents, who only wanted me to do it as a hobby. Was practicing up to 6 hours a day against their will :D Ok, the story was not so happy at the end, I've had long breaks after the faculty: 6 years first cause no piano, then 4 years playing and other 5 years of break (again, no piano), then only occasional playing but almost no practice when I bought a digital (no chance for more when you only can afford to play the night and you have neighbors). Only 2 years ago I've resumed serious practice, and it's painfully slow and frustrating, even if I've been so lucky to have some advice from someone I really consider among the best pianists. And I am worried because of my untrained innate abilities, it seems I've lost a lot. Paradoxically, not the absolute pitch they all say you lose with time, but the speed in interval recognition and sight reading, very much of the neurokinetics and a big deal of the musical memory. But still fighting to get at least where I used to be.

[@PassionPno]

David Garrett does play fully classical recitals here and there.

[@kylow9550]

I like your honest opinions. Keep it up!

[@music-lover8915]

Langlang stopped on classical music. He record Bach' piece as his period of his classic improvement career. Yujia Wang Is still concert with directors and orchestras around globe...

[@TheArtOfJerry]

I'm 50, I just started "piano". 😅

[@IcedAmericanna]

I love your videos so much! I’m an adult learner. Also can you do a hair tutorial

[@waggawaggaful]

I personally don't think school has any useful function whatsoever outside of socialization, and socialization can be achieved through means outside of school. If a kid has a particular interest, talent, or ability, they will want to pursue that all on their own (as I did with music). If they don't have any intellectual interests they want to develop on their own then they should not be forced into developing it because they will not excel at it, nor will they enjoy it. If I hadn't been forced to go to school I probably would have been a professional musician because I would have had time to develop my skills. It's worth noting that the best pianist I know in real life was "homeschooled" (basically self-taught, with a little help from older siblings) and she is also the most educated and intelligent person I have ever interacted with in person.

[@jackjack8390]

Is there a prize of some sort that makes the effort worth it? Is the prize life-changing?

[@waggawaggaful]

I would agree that Mozart was one of the few real child prodigies and there is maybe one, two at most, every 100 years. But didn't even Mozart's father push him to the extreme as a child, and his father also happened to be musical? Beethoven's father as well. Of course you do need some natural inclination towards music, but the most important factor is the age at which you start learning. Anything after 5 is considered a late beginning for classical music at the professional level. So it really comes down to your parents, family and teachers noticing if you have any inclination.

[@GabLapolicePianiste]

I have begin the piano at 32 year old, but I start music at 16 year old with guitar.

[@g.970]

I started saxophone at 9 and piano at 35. 40 years later I’m still practicing piano almost every day, but I no longer have the facial muscles to play the saxophone well. I wish I had started piano as a kid. My husband started piano at 8 but hated it as a kid. He decided to take private lessons again starting at age 73!

[@GabLapolicePianiste]

​@@g.970 that's a nice story, thank you for sharing it.

[@stephanmuller_q]

Ich würde sehr gern zu Deinem Konzert in die Liederhalle kommen, aber es ist für mich dann doch zu weit weg (ca. 500km). Ich wünsche Dir ein ausverkauftes Konzert und auch weiterhin alles Gute! Das ist erst der Auftakt…

[@edwardtanio7121]

Great breed Chinise and German.I also watch some great chinise pianist

[@GabLapolicePianiste]

at 01:32:35 you say you don't do competition anymore. But are you going to try the Chopin Competition?

[@kieselsteinchen9795]

I am a wonder oldy.

[@allgood6760]

It is what is in you.. some people have a predisposition towards giftedness.. music is just one area of life🎶... it is like someone born beautiful it is the genetic equivalent of winning Lotto👍

[@jacobl5488]

I'm 36, started last year lmao i suck hahah

[@robbbmm]

I’d count Mendelssohn as much of a child prodigy as Mozart. The Eb Octet as ‘exhibit a’.

[@MrAzzehxD]

Started at 24

[@elisabetta5044]

So it is needed a B plan? There is who thinks that having a B plan is the best way to make fail the A plan!

[@chester6343]

You must have seen imagine being a concert pianist

[@MTalac]

Lang Lang....one of the best pianist 🎉

[@carolasandrakaty]

Well, Alma Deutscher is a prodigy in my opinion.

[@rotum1324]

I mean there are disabilities wich make it impossible to make music. There is a certain type of tone deafness were the affected people can‘t determine if multiple pitches are higher or lower in relation to another, it’s genetic but it does not only effect music, the people having this disability can’t really speak. But i mean practicing with metronome is very specific, i have a good sense of rhythm and i also had incredible difficulty’s learning to go with a metronome even though i could play rhythmically bound with other people. Metronomes are just themselves a genetic musical incapability and they are annoying. My point is that i don’t think that genetics have a huge impact on someone’s musicality but if they do then that’s not your main issue.

[@edwardtanio7121]

Nice have a plan B

[@bw2082]

Umm what’s THAT video in your watch history at 1:33:10 about? 😂

[@DanielAldous-yu7kj]

It’s suggestions not history (I also looked at what the algorithm suggests to Annique) 💀

[@bw2082]

Mendelssohn was a greater prodigy than Mozart. Compare works at similar ages.

[@ericastier1646]

This is a bad topic, it's not productive and a waste of time to think and look at this. It's better to spend time on doing creative things like practicing the piano and discussing technique and giving your insight on technical question which you keep on ignoring.

[@coleptera180]

? She did it a couple of times over the last years.. and now that she is preparing for a big concert, I think watching a movie together with the fans is quite a good way to give her arms some rest and still spend time with her fans

[@ericastier1646]

@@coleptera180 Don't be grandiloquent assuming that 1) you know for how long i've followed her : pretty much since she was a newbie youtuber. I know all her videos. 2) Don't assume that all people watching her videos are teenagers and kids "fans" wasting time on her non pianistic aspect. There are also serious piano students who are looking for technical approaches. Talking about what makes or breaks a prodigy is like debating the weather next week : it's a waste of time and not going to change anything. Also she was in the studio a month ago so her arm had plenty of rest. I have no interest in fanboying and wooing her, i like when she gets practical on the piano.

[@coleptera180]

WTF? If you have been following her for so long, than you would know that 1. she just gave a big concert 2. needed some time to rest 3. is cutting her videos herself which is pretty time consuming and 4. that you could take masterclasses if you want to get more technical insights and 5. is preparing for her new album release concert which is probably very exhausting and stressful as she is organising it by herself. She is spending her evening freetime with the fans to watch a movie and it is interesting to hear her side, how she grew up. Today she took time to play a little music for her fans, which must have been super exhausting. I really don’t understand your complain. Assuming that she has to give teaching lessons for more or less free on KZbin all the time and everytime is just ignorant and is the reason why so many KZbinrs give up at the end.

[@ericastier1646]

@@coleptera180 Did you even read my reply to you ?? Ok, only one thing, i didn't know she just had a concert but i have plenty of professional pianist friends who give concerts and are just fine. Are you a child ? I wouldn't call her paid lessons masterclasses, she would have to get a lot more professional experience and long standing concerting career and actually give masterclasses at major music institutions, until then they're lessons. Second, youtube suscribers aren't necessarily "fans". Actually i do not consider myself her fan, i see her as a colleague pianist among many, but since she has specialized in Chopin Etudes in her doctoral training, it's interesting to hear her perspective. So you need to re-assess your narrow minded presumption : the youtube relationship between channel subscribers to content creator is not de facto a fan to star relationship. Again for many musicians she will just be a pianist and colleague and only children maybe and teenagers will have idolatry for her. What she does with her channel she decides, what i like to see her do with it, it's my right to say it and certainly it's not yours to try to smother other people's views. In follow 4 other pianists youtubers, and they all share their point of view on technique. Some even discuss it in comments. She used to do that more before graduating. Also I don't think that her technical advice is a gold rule, each pianist develop their own technique that suits their own style of playing. It's more curiosity on my part, since i am forging my own path to technique for my own style. Some things she does with her playing i could recommend some World class pianists to give her a masterclass to improve but i am not her direct friend. She still has a lot to learn herself. It would be a mistake for her to think that she is accomplished at this point, as you seem to think. Worse to let it go to her head.

[@coleptera180]

@@ericastier1646 I think we are talking past one another. You can surely have your opinion that you would like to have other content, as I could have my opinion that it was worth it. It’s a free world and you can watch and have a free opinion as you like, as well as I can have. I wonder why you tell me that I couldn’t as I never said so to you, I am just disagreeing. I disagree with you that she is ignoring technical questions as she did many videos in her past and talked about it during live streams and during her master classes. I am disagreeing that her classes are not good enough to be called master classes as in fact she had teaching experiences in the „real world“, but of course she also takes classes from more experienced pianists. In my opinion, your first comment was an unfair criticism, as you said, she ignores technical questions, which she 1. doesn’t and 2. if you want to get to know more you can get more on her classes or even on her live streams. I further pointed out that in my opinion her choice to do a reaction video was maybe to relax herself a little due to quite stressful times she has at the moment. I never said that you are a fan, I don’t care if you are, if you don’t like the video fine, than you don’t need to watch it. I don’t understand however why you insult me and I don’t understand why you expect that Annique has to provide her knowledge for free. I disagree with you that you are a real colleague, because you don’t seem to have a gleams of an idea what it means to provide quality KZbin content and to live on your piano life. Some pianists might be successful by giving technical insights, others maybe not. But hey that’s my opinion, and it’s a free world so I share it here on KZbin.