Why “Conservative” Comedy Sucks | Lady Ballers Review | The Downside with Gianmarco Soresi

[@GianmarcoSoresi]

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[@melanieshablowski6668]

I think the funniest thing about this movie is that they originally wanted to make a documentary but literally couldn’t find any substantial examples of men pretending to be women to win sports

[@TheFhqwhgadsLimit]

Also a bunch of the extras they hired didn't know what the movie was actually about, and when they found out they started protesting during their filming.

[@melanieshablowski6668]

@@TheFhqwhgadsLimit Explains the empty crowd shots lol

[@candyh4284]

@@melanieshablowski6668 I mean, the notion that you'd be able to make this movie WITHOUT oil tycoon funding is hilarious, because you have to pay the actual actors a fucking MONSTER deal to put their faces on this script that makes them look like bad people

[@laurenwalker1048]

They wanted to show how easy it is to be assigned male at birth and participate in women’s sports. Not shockingly, they found out that this isn’t really something that happens, so why not make a shitty comedy pretending like it does instead?

[@coreyrobinson8209]

"As it turns out, most ladies' leagues don't allow any ACTUAL MEN" - Ben Shapiro

[@GaryDunion]

It's very funny that this movie about a bunch of losers who weren't good enough to make it in real basketball was made by a bunch of losers who weren't good enough to make it in real movies.

[@Gorbgorbenson]

Apparently the dude playing the flamboyant guy was pretty funny at one point Stavros brought him up when he saw the trailer for this and said before he became a political comedian, he was funny.

[@Azmedon-AU]

Yeah just like real life, some guy can't make it in the guys team so he had to be trans and that's the only way he could win.

[@GaryDunion]

@@Azmedon-AU Which guy? Specifically which guy in real life became trans in order to get onto a basketball team?

[@Azmedon-AU]

@@GaryDunion It's not about the sport, it's more about the message that women can't compete with men.

[@GaryDunion]

@@Azmedon-AU But you said "some guy can't make it in the guys team so he had to be trans." Are you saying you weren't telling the truth?

[@BiggerinRealLife]

“We ARE angry! We just don’t blame it on the TRANS PEOPLE!” is a mood.

[@Betta66]

I make a distinction between a conservative with a sense of humor and a conservative sense of humor. I have a few Republicans in my family and they're all genuinely funny people. But then there's comedy specifically geared towards a conservative audience. It has never been hard to make me laugh but none of the "funny" conservative commentators managed once. Setting aside political correctness, when numerous "comedians" are basically making slight variations on the exact same joke, it stops being funny, if it ever was in the first place.

[@sazji]

Even their laughter seems forced. Like the point is to say, “listen to us laughing at these idiots. They’re idiots, amirite? Am I? Aren’t we?”

[@pansepot1490]

Seems to me “conservative” comedy boils down to insulting/kicking down on people and then pretending “it’s just a joke”.

[@alexmacdougall5700]

@@pansepot1490 Conservative specific comedy is the epitome of "I will say something specifically offensive with the point of offending but if it truly is offensive IT JOKE!"

[@euc5957]

Partizan comedy suffers for the same reason religious music suffers; the priority isn't the art form, it's the agenda. Most overtly partizan comedy is best described as claptrap. It reminds me of some older comedian, I can't remember who, who distinguished between good comedy that gets laughs vs. comedy that gets applause. Thus "claptrap"

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@alexmacdougall5700 ""I will say something specifically offensive with the point of offending but if it truly is offensive IT JOKE!" lol you are spot on. We call that "Schrödinger's joke"

[@brennam954]

I think Russell's point was very profound: That people who are so empty and hateful and incapable of actual joy (wonder why) would rather be entertained by something that makes them angry just to feel "something". Maybe there's something else to be said that trusting others or embracing a changing society is too vulnerable for these people, and anger is a way to mask that vulnerability.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

"Maybe there's something else to be said that trusting others or embracing a changing society is too vulnerable for these people, and anger is a way to mask that vulnerability." Well said. The more I look, the more I realize that that's literally all conservative is, from top to bottom. It's just a group of emotionally fragile, insecure people who refuse to admit they're insecure, refuse to *ever* look inward and reflect, refuse to ever grow. Whenever they're presented with that uncomfortable feeling "oh no, maybe it's *_me._* Maybe I'm wrong", they push it down deep inside and lash out. Republicanism is nothing but a giant shared coping mechanism 😦

[@RuthvenMurgatroyd]

Or you are simply ignoring the point of conservatism (which is _supposed_ to encourage and defend): A stable society built upon strong family structures founded upon stable marriages with strong legal privileges and responsibilities, social regulation as opposed to social and especially sexual liberalism, the civic and social responsibilities of the individual, and a sensible social order built upon laws and hierarchies as well as a strong cultural identity. You're missing this because you think "conservatism is when people joke about the gays" or "conservatism is when Trump". You are just politically illiterate, I'm afraid to say.

[@ecyor0]

@@RuthvenMurgatroyd The first thing anyone with an iota of sense figures out is that you should never believe what a conservative says they believe. They will lie to your face that they care about protecting family even as they sign laws that drive "deviant" families apart. Also, conservatism has never been about any of those things, it was created and has only ever existed to defend the power of the wealthy merchant class as modern society eroded their power and distributed it to the common man while monarchies fell and democracies rose. Read a goddamn history book.

[@RuthvenMurgatroyd]

@@ecyor0 What could you possibly be alluding to in that last paragraph of yours? the fact that conservative, British intellectuals like Burke rejected the disastrous, fanatical, and BLOODY revolution happening in France at the time (which, I'll remind you, culminated in a mad man trying to conquer all of Europe in order to spread said revolution)? Any sane person would have especially since being British he knew it was not necessary to choose between order and freedom like revolutionaries in his own country so-often alleged (and besides, gradual change proved better for Britain in the end anyway). And since you are so intent on outlining what classes are developing these post-feudal political theories it should also be pointed out that the bourgeoisie have historically been the very class at the forefront of calling for progressive and liberal reform (which I'm sure to your warped and cynical mind represent nothing more than the strategic concessions of a class) and even revolution so it's a bit odd that you paint the revolutions happening in Europe as the democratic uprisings of proles instead of as bourgeoisie lead revolutions against the nobility (which is what they were if we simply take a look at the leaders of these revolutions using one of those fancy history books you like to talk about so much). Not that bourgeois concerns are inherently evil. Property rights a positive good and they were only emphasized recently in history mainly because of the concerns of the merchant class. What is bad is the rent-seeking habits of this class and the tendency of this class to use its education to spit out perverse social theories which only do harm to society. The current state of birthrates, divorce rates, and so on are all the sad consequences of the "values" promoted primarily by the middle-class of the last century.

[@lifefindsaway7875]

@@RuthvenMurgatroyd I don’t think he’s ignoring that. A less regulated social structure where we aren’t all forced into the same template requires a degree of risk and vulnerability. A vulnerability that conservatives don’t want to have. For example, If marriage is no longer a god-ordained institution, my wife could divorce me if I don’t treat her well. I can no longer be complacent in my marriage, and face that risk of rejection. This isn’t an argument against marriage itself, it’s against marriage as a mandate. Society is full of people for whom the traditional conservative model just doesn’t work. Liberals believe society should make room for them.

[@NoseBearMonkey]

"The most triggering comedy of all time" They're going for triggering, not funny. It's every-press-is-good-press mentality. The goal is to just envoke any reaction at all, it doesn't actually have to be funny.

[@phanatic215]

You've already failed at making a comedy, when your intention isn't to make people laugh.

[@sabersin5368-c2c]

Yeah the whole point is to dig under the skin of left wing ideological zealots because they deserve it for being cringe.

[@Gigawood]

Yeah, this! I felt the same with that “Facts” rap.

[@john2g1]

What's funny is Jawana Man came out decades ago. ...And South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, and Robot Chicken all exist.

[@bluewolf6323]

What sucks more is that people are saying "Oh it's a satire, lighten up." And I hate when people use that excuse!! Satire is fine and dandy when the story is funny and the jokes actually land. The fact that it's satire doesn't magically make the movie amd jokes better, it's a safety net with a hole at the bottom. It's like saying "Oh, I can cook this fabulous meal with no cookbook, I can free style this! Don't worry, I took 2 weeks of cooking classes, I got this!" Or saying "Don't worry, I can juggle these knives no problem! I took 3 weeks of clown camp!" No, without any set up or good premise in general, that satire fails!

[@arcaneboy]

It was intended as a documentary but none of the men would of commit to transitioning or lower their testosterone levels, and big leagues do test hormone levels. But its ironic that the scenario of a retained male sneaking into a women's league is a farce given the pay is terrible in women's sports. A pro woman player earns at best $250,000 where a 2nd roster male replacement earns $900,000

[@superjlk_9538]

$250,000 is more money than most receive in a couple years

[@localmenace3043]

@@superjlk_9538Is it actually worth it to pretend to be another gender though? Like at that point just be a fucking athlete in the male division instead of embarrassing yourself by pretending to be a trans woman. Or better yet! Get a day job.

[@ZAFlRAH]

I thought they couldn't make it as a documentary because the women's league literally wouldn't allow what they were trying to do, basically disproving the point they where trying to make

[@siobhan-rae]

its both of those things

[@corvacopia]

@@ZAFlRAHwell unless the person was on HRT for years, which obviously no man is going to want to do

[@rayflyers]

Russell is right about people watching entertainment to agree in anger. I'm a trans woman, and that's why I watched this episode of your podcast. I've lost my family and had to move states several times for my safety and healthcare, so I'll fully admit that it's validating for me to hear people angrily call out anti-trans BS. That said, Gianmarco is right that it makes for terrible comedy, so it's certainly not why I watch his (or anyone's) stand-up. I really like his suggestion that the setup can express your views, but the punchline should just be funny. After hearing your whole thoughtful and engaging discussion, I guess the real lesson here is that you should remake this movie with Russell in every role. Don't tease us with that. We fans demand it!

[@danielmuller2701]

Trans man, watching for the same reason.. I want to add: they just lack creativity - like they said, it's the same "joke" over and over and the whole "joke" is "look at me ignoring my own principles. Good comedy circles back on itself, Gianmarco made it obvious when he talked about him making trans jokes that circle back on the audience expectation and it turns out he is a douche, not the trans person. Stuff like that. It's how I got "stuck" on his shorts - respectful jokes.

[@clarissanavarro2762]

@@QuinnOsgood-rj7wz Not Quite but Transphobia includes two Venn diagrams completely, that have a point of Intersection that is huge. Transphobia > Mysogyny + Homophobia.

[@talynhastime9343]

I never laugh at things that make me angry. The wires simply don’t cross. Is it that easy for people to do that? A part of me thinks that the source of conservative audiences’ laughter is *contempt* rather than mirth, which I think is a bit poisonous.

[@clarissanavarro2762]

@@talynhastime9343 It's very toxic. it's cope. It;s downright denial. They are trying hard to reassure one another that the world is not changing so much that theyr grandparents would not recognize it. Every day in every way, their world is more brown and queer. Their humor is not mirth it is a scream into the void " Noooo.... I will not lose my privelege!!!" as they do.

[@ngotemna8875]

I'm a cis het dude and feel similar. Transphobia obviously doesn't directly affect me, but i see it as a symptom of the disease called "conservatism" And yeah, i am also very guilty of watching people dismantle arguments from folks like Ben Shapeepo in combination with proper insults

[@Marie-ig3tp]

Fun fact about them not having enough extras to fill the stadium! They tried really hard to get local college students and actors to attend the filming for this movie by misrepresenting the plot. However the local film guild in Nashville had a viral post that exposed it was a anti-trans film and a TON of people didn’t show up to set/turned down the offer to work as extras.

[@Pendragondnd]

When I was little, my mother always told me that some people put you down, because it makes them feel bigger. Laughing isn't the point, Laughing At Someone is. It's Joy vs feelings of Superiority. People are going to watch this, because as strange as it may seem, they prefer the latter to the former.

[@mikearchibald744]

Comedy is almost always laughing at somebody. Thats what makes it so hard, because people are in general not assholes, so they want to laugh at things that are reasonable. Thats why history is such a great match for comedy, or the 'twin idiots' who are genuinely made up TO be laughed at. But as a canadian I don't get offended if people foudn bob and doug mackenzie funny. It was done in such a way that it was actually funny and not vindictive.

[@candyh4284]

@@mikearchibald744 And that's the bitch of it all, is that there's a way to do trans jokes that are offensive, bigoted, and super funny. Those aren't the jokes we complain about, and to pretend that it is is just disingenuous. Because at the end of the day, when you boil it all down to broth and potatoes, people like comedy that speaks to their experience, and there are a lot of ways to be confused, weirded out, etc. by trans people that isn't "And then this trans woman I definitely knew k***ed herself because of the trans community, or something, I guess, I'm Rick James Bitch! Remember that one guys??" Learn what our experiences are and then make jokes. Doing it the other way around is much more annoying for literally everybody involved. I don't WANT to be sitting here bitching about someone's jokes, it's not fun for me, there's a billion other things I could be doing, but I'm here because they're here and doing damage by not knowing what they're talking about and speaking about it as if they do.

[@titania396]

Trans rights are human rights

[@Fuzbun]

Yes

[@raak4070]

Based

[@shadowboxing7029]

Yes.

[@Dickinthesenutzs27]

yes

[@AoiUsagiOtoko]

hell yeah

[@BlueScreenCorp]

*Edit*: They do bring up the fact that the Dailywire couldn't make it a documentary cause there are actual rules and people who aren't trans can't just claim to be trans to play sports The "Lady Ballers" thing is actually much funnier than what is being discussed here, cause Shapiro tried to make that a documentary where the daily wire team just claimed they were trans and actual start to play women's sports as a team of "Transwomen". When they tried this all the leagues turned then down, as clearly they aren't transwomen, so they had to make it a fictional movie because the idea that men are just going to flood women's sports is just flat out wrong, they couldn't do it themselves when they were actively trying to do it. I am glad that Gian did point out that the movie is just full of hate of woman, the movie is just the idea "All men are just better than all women at all sports" which is bananas. I am a 5'9.5" man in my 30s, if I started training to play basketball now even in 10 years I wouldn't be able to beat a single person in the WNBA. Sure statistically the average man does have some advantage over the average woman, but generally an average man will not be as good at a sport as an elite woman athlete, its bizarre that men can think that they are just superior to all women regardless of circumstance.

[@phanatic215]

That's what the "protect women's sports" phonies don't understand. A regular dude can't compete with a WNBA player. Hell, I played pickup basketball with someone that wasn't even a starter on the Uconn women's team, and she was cooking everyone. She's been playing basketball everyday since she was a kid. Just because a guy is taller and stronger doesn't make him a better player.

[@BlueScreenCorp]

@@phanatic215 Just to add to this, all people have pretty big variance, and the average man is also not taller and stronger than all woman. It goes beyond just skill, these people also believe that the potential physical ability of the weakest man is far greater than the physical ability of the strongest woman which just isn't the case. Averages hide outliers and median physical ability of men and women are a lot closer than people want to believe.

[@RM-hi4vv]

@@BlueScreenCorpexactly. I’m not an elite athlete, but back when I was on swim team in high school, I was pretty good, and I smoked a lot of the guys regularly. In part because I’m a cis woman who’s 6’2”. That said, some of the shorter players who stopped growing way before I did and therefore had time to fine-tune their “where tf is my hand compared to my arm length *today*?” were better at the nuances of water polo, even though I could smoke them to the net, I was too awkward to make some of the quick turns. It’s all variation, genetics, etc. In standard “phenotypic” sex determination, based on just what organs you have, people have been on spectrums with hormones forever. Based on newer hormone testing in international competition, some cis women are barred from competing based on *their* normal hormone levels. It’s just generally fraught.

[@maxxymrice6200]

If the actors they had actually played sports against real female athletes, they would've gotten their asses kicked.

[@Kolankinator]

​@@phanatic215 The reality is that these people actually say that a regular dude can compete with these women that are at the top. Like a month or two ago there was a guy that challenged a college (?) Track runner that was just going through her warmup routine and not running at 100% and because he was kinda close for a little bit, walsh and probably others just latched on and went "see look women aren't good at sports"

[@_wheelofcheese]

the difference with conservative comics is that they dont want to make people laugh, they want people to clap for them. and at that point you aren't making jokes, its just a rally.

[@christianweeks9764]

this is a really good way of putting it

[@localmenace3043]

If your entire brand of comedy is punching down on the people you don’t like (i.e. women, queer people, trans people, people of color), you’re eventually going to bomb. It’s all the same jokes, it’s all the same punchline, and people are gonna realize you’re compensating for having no charisma with edgy jokes.

[@maxxymrice6200]

Most of the time they just jump to the punchline without building up any context.

[@therealgooseman2358]

The only funny thing about Lady Ballers is the fact that it was originally intended to be a documentary where they got a team of men to play in a women's basketball league by having the men just say they're women. As it turns out there are actually guidelines than that which would require those men to be on hormone replacement therapy for a year or more, so instead of committing to their bit, they decided to simply make a shitty sports comedy where they simply pretend that the thing that obviously isnt true is actually somehow true.

[@BlueScreenCorp]

The Danny Trejo thing isn't that mysterious, he has said on record that he will never turn down a role ever. He is in it for the love of the game and has done tons of roles in strange productions including various student films. So at least from Trejo's perspective its not a political thing he just can't turn down a role, as far as IIRC he is a pretty progressive guy and has a perspective that society needs to uplift people a conclusion he came to after his early life problems.

[@jbaby362]

I just love the idea that no matter the bubble, everyone knows Danny Trejo.

[@candyh4284]

For further evidence of this point, I'd mention Danny Trejo as "Breacher" in the CW's "The Flash," which is a role you only take when you act for the sake of acting.

[@fallenmango8420]

That doesn’t seem like much of an excuse. If I love making knives that doesn’t justify my actions if I suddenly decide to make a knife for Michael Myers.

[@AscrodGreytagg]

It’s also worth noting that The Daily Wire has a scheme where they contract under their Bentkey label and don’t always show everyone involved the full/final working script, and/or stealth their projects under other names. So there is a non-zero chance that anyone involved in any of their projects is not in the know. It got bad enough that there was even at least one confirmed background extra in this film who was trans and had no idea what the film was until later (obviously they were mortified once they found out). Word will eventually get around until everyone knows that BentKey = Daily Wire, but that trick will work for a bit.

[@xricardox109]

I think you were going to touch on this point but got side tracked in the beginning. Maybe i missed it but Shapiro was discussing the conception of the film with boaring and he admits that they originally wanted to make this a documentary. However no one wanted to comit to the bit and start the transitioning process so they can qualify to actually play in the womans league. So benny boy literally disproves the narrative that its so easy for cis men to participate in women sports. If it was this would be a doc ( like what is a women) but that required no effort from these dorks Sorry i commented to early it was brought up again at 47 minutes in. But ima leave the comment for the algorithm lol

[@Prior2Popular]

It makes me sad knowing that even as someone not in the athlete space that much, one thing I hear from all my athletic female friends is that it’s so much harder to get people to come to their games because everyone has this idea in their heads that it can’t possibly be as enjoyable as a men’s game… I think that instead of “protecting” women athletes like they claim to want to do, it feels like their making fun of them.

[@Namite0001]

This episode should have been called "Gianmarco gets angry for 1:00:50" 😂 honestly though this is hilarious and so glad Gianmarco suffered through this movie so I didn't have to.

[@getgaymin]

He's so sexy when he's angry; the end was like an orgasm

[@user-ooop]

This comment truly left me metaphorically deceased. ​@@getgaymin

[@zedrake]

12:17 - Gianmarco nailed this with his joke about a trans person being in a hit and run and the punchline was "oh no shes dead" and it's a joke where the target is actually liberals. I don't want to ruin the entire joke but you'll know it when you hear it. I think its a newer joke of his

[@Namite0001]

saw him live and laughed so hard at this joke. A+ set up and delivery

[@emmalenar6424]

The horrible Matt Walsh ending is what made it the most triggering comedy of the year.

[@bibsp3556]

Seeing his ugly mug sends me into an irrational spiral of existential crisis. That man shares this earth. That's too close

[@therealunicornselene]

"we make him a loser" I followed them for years, they clearly don't have very high opinions of their fans.

[@underverse2006]

As someone who grew up ultra conservative I really wish I could help people understand exactly how conservatives think. The point of them being a loser is not that the person is a loser, but it is because of a "backwards" society that they portray it as "Look even the daughter doesn't see the true horror because she's so lost!" These are exactly the types of thoughts that people like my parents have. My mom loves watching Fiddler on the Roof but always talks about how much a shame it is that the whole family doesn't convert to being Christian at the end. The thinking is so skewed and the media literacy is so low that media like this movie have to approach from a warped perspective to begin with. The movie as you talk about it just exudes that perspective. They are trying to relate to how the people who watch it have lost family to the "liberal agenda" I feel like it's hard to convey properly, but i wish i could help people know thats truly how they see themselves as the victims

[@JohnnyAdroit]

If I'm understanding you right, the audience for this movie doesn't see the guy as a loser, but as the only sane man in a crazy world?

[@vl5008]

This episode was referenced in Kat Blaque’s video on Dave Chappelle’s latest special. That’s why I’m here! I love Gianmarco but I usually don’t have the patience for a whole downside episode I’m sorry. But nice I was like ayyy! in the other video I got energy lmao.

[@vl5008]

So actually, if you worry that you’re preaching to a choir, just know that your points about the comedy were used to educate others and further talk about Dave Chappelle’s worsening comedy.

[@adeadphish7931]

"We're angry too, but we don't blame trans people for it" is an amazing quote

[@AaronHatcher]

Y'all's end rant about the Democrats is accurate. And it won't change because that's exactly how liberals operate in a capitalist system.

[@ertlchr]

Sorry, but the part was simply incorrect. The Republicans actually achieved very little when they had three branches of government. And the Democrats could first easily be sabotaged by giving money to a few Democratic Senators, and now they don't have a majority in the House (with luck that might change). Maybe one could get angry at Obama, Reid and others for trying to follow rules and norms a bit too much more than a decade ago. I don't get the people who are mad at Biden that he cannot magically pass laws against Congress.

[@taelorstamm7226]

I had to explain this to someone when Matt Rife got brought up. Hard truths are funny, but you have to make it so ridiculous/implausible, intellectual, or relatable. It has to be more evolved to be funny to me. Also, they can’t TAKE A JOKE in return! Thank you for this discussion, love it!

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

Oof, seeing that name brought back memories of his "jokes". He was good looking before the jawline, cheekbones, and chin brought about by *ahem "late puberty". Riiiiight

[@bibsp3556]

Hard truths can be funny, but if you can't write a joke, it won't be.

[@ngotemna8875]

Matt "I will now tell you how they cancelled me! At my Netflix special" Rife

[@threeleggedcat]

I saw a review of a different conservative movie that was like anti gay marriage and it was the same, the main guy was just absolutely pitiful and terrible and ridiculous, and it just basically makes it seem repeatedly that he’s the one in the wrong which is just so funny

[@fsilber330]

It sounds like "Lady Ballers" suffers weaknesses similar to those of the Lady Ghostbusters movie: (1) Not funny enough, (2) Scenes dragged out too long, and (3) Throughout the movie saying the same one thing: e.g. "Men should not participate in women's sports" and "Girls, too, can be ghostbusters." (Whether these are both things that NEED to be said is another matter.)

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

And they both suffer from not organically fleshing out their main cast but instead make them incredibly good while the other sex is seen as incompetent at everything except for giving birth or looking hot

[@josefinarivia]

i actually enjoyed the 2016 ghostbusters movie, i thought it was a fun watch with a lot of references to some more obscure ghostbusters media, like the old tv series and what not. And they never actually say anything to reference their gender in the movie, its not about "girls, too, can be ghostbusters"? It's only what people hyperfixate on when it comes to that movie. Why can there be an all men ghostbusters movie but an all women one is considered a gimmick? I genuinely think if they had released this movie with an all men cast people would just say "it wasn't great, but it was an okay movie" and if you people still would have hated it, fine. One of the largest weaknesses to the 2016 ghostbusters movie was that too much of the script was improv, which made some awkward scenes. But why make something up that the movie was about "Girls, too, can be ghostbusters" when they never even say anything like that or show anything like that except the fact that they were all women? How is this anything like an actual transphobic movie? Mind boggling comparison.

[@ninaschust3694]

​@@josefinariviaMy personal opinion is that transphobia is just a form of misogyny. They hate trans women for being feminine and belittle trans men as "confused women". From this perspective the comparison with Ghostbusters makes sense.

[@josefinarivia]

@@ninaschust3694 Definitely agree that transphobia is rooted in sexism. Sex verification among all women sports is a clear example of that. They have humiliated women to root out anything that could make it unfair, using chromosome testing (which isn't reliable) and even doing nude exams.. So I completely agree with you here. I still don't see how the two movies can be compared though since the goal of Ghostbusters wasn't about women in the same sense as ladyballers. I could perhaps see the comparison with the newer Charlie's angels from 2019 since the goal of that one was "look, us women are strong too and be feminists!!". That movie was not funny, patronising and said the same thing throughout the movie.

[@Big73Red]

One of the biggest problems with conservative comedy is, they have to fit every single grievance they have into one "joke" until they piss themselves off and forget it's a joke.

[@snowsinoxolo2961]

😂🤣 that’s funny

[@Betta66]

The line from the movie that most stands out to me: "Unless you've been mad at your boyfriend for not understanding the pain of menstrual cramps, you are not a woman." I think this movie just claimed lesbians aren't women.

[@basicsimp8798]

The fact that Ben wanted to prove how easily men can be in the women's league by making a documentary about it but found out they can't just do that easily, and that they have to take hormones for years in order to qualify literally destroys their entire logic. An offensive joke can be funny but conservative comedy is just garbage.

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

After learning this you could have done a lay up piece on implicit but unstated hypocrisy or contradictions in left leaning gender discourse, if you were the daily wire. You could have made a narrow point about how, if you have to meet very specific and stringent hormonal and biological benchmarks as a transwoman to compete in women's sports, it tacitly acknowledges that trans women are fundamentally different than cis women and that we've codified rules for verifying if someone is "enough of a woman" many trans women fall short of. There's tons of (admittedly nuanced and controversial) material to mine from examining shallow neoliberal gender discourse, that the daily wire probably intelligent enough to make.

[@AnEnemySpy456]

No idea if this is true but I heard the reason they barely had any extras in the stands was because they invited people at I believe it was university they were filming at to come sit in the stands and be in a movie but a lot of the extras left when they realized what kind of movie it was.

[@Dr.Spatula]

Johnny Knoxville did "The Ringer." It was the exact same concept as "Lady Ballers." The difference being we are introduced to Knoxville's character as a piece of shit, and then he is proven wrong by getting shit on in the sport

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

And you are introduced to the opponents, he bonds with them, and you find out they are incredibly funny people in their own right. So the movie goes from comedy to heartwarming and gives you someone to actually root for. I know I'm a few months late, but this is a great comment. The Ringer is such a great movie, but even with the edgy humor, they'd call it "woke propaganda" now. They can't stand any movie that says "people are different and that's okay'", which is why their movies suck. It's about a bunch of boring people being proven right the entire time.

[@myrpok]

Lady Baller's biggest sin isn't that its offensive. It's just boooooring.

[@missgreen101]

Also lady ballers is great name for a trans comedy about the foibles and fun of trans women navigating a mostly cis space in sports.

[@themaggattack]

Porkeys- holy sh*t. The mere mention of that unlocked scary early childhood memories for me. Even just the movie posters were scary! Look how crazed and animalistic those boys on the movie cover look! Imagine being a little girl only about 5 years old and realizing that roving hordes of beastly big boys were out there actively trying to peep on you in the bathroom! And they WERE. I remember my best friend's older brother talking about the movie and making that scary "porkey's" face, so I wouldn't go to the bathroom at their house. I remember grown men snickering about the movie. I remember my little cousin actually peeping through a hole in the wall into my room. God, that movie encouraged creepy and prederatory behavior.

[@aammirati91]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. Hope you're doing better now

[@6lu5ky86]

I ran away from Disney but no way in hell would I run toward Ben and Bret. 🤮

[@greggloria6551]

This made me look it up, Danny Trejo’s birthday is listed as May 16th 1944 so he is 79.

[@FlowerNerdxoxo]

Russell out here with the spot on empathetic analysis

[@jrojala]

He’s got BDE in spades

[@parthasarathipanda4571]

Soresi's meltdown at the end was deeply felt...

[@judasdubois]

The abortion joke reminds me of a cut scene from the Fight Club movie where Marla tells tyler she wants to have his abortion. So they stole an edgelord joke from a 25 year old movie.

[@MorlockTrxsh]

iirc, that's the CUT joke, the edgelord joke they went with in fight club is "I haven't been fucked like that since grade school." I wanna have your abortion is a deleted scene bc they decided it was too gross and made Marla too unsympathetic. Maybe I'm misrembering but I think this was said by Fincher on a director's commentary.

[@emisformaker]

This works as kind of a companion piece to a Some More News episode about conservative comedy, that tries to pick apart the purpose and meaning behind outfits like The Babylon Bee. In at least some instances, the point of such 'comedy' seems to be like a troll, where the humor isn't in the piece itself, but in watching non-conservatives try to figure out who would find it funny and why. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYS7fK2GhMiMerc Thanks for watching this so nobody else has to!

[@emisformaker]

PS: Ben Shapiro can also be known as the cousin of much better known and loved person Mara Wilson.

[@princessjello]

​@@emisformaker they're related?!?!?!?!?!??! Poor Mara :(

[@bibsp3556]

The Babylon bee hits a good joke a couple times a year at least, where as the daily wire is just one seemingly endless joke

[@statman64]

Thank you for reminding me how badly we need a Downside/SMN crossover. Either Cody on this podcast or Giancarlo on their podcast, one of those has gotta happen

[@sonic232s]

I feel like a movie like this doesnt exist to be watched. It exists to be used as a bludgeon

[@hayleyhellbound9513]

I think it’s hysterical that Gianmarco thinks the slaaaaaaay was making fun of NY gays. Just like 90% of new movies, like Barbie for example, the writers and directors don’t see past LA when writing the “real world”. They’re making fun of LA gays, generalizing them as all gays, because they think the entire world is just looking up to LA for how to act.

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

Yeah, see past LA. To NY. keep it all in the US as usual.

[@TheEvolver311]

​@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme It is a movie set in the USA Produced for a US market Trying in some way to be topical to US political issues. What are you even on about

[@acadianalien]

@@TheEvolver311 I mean, Barbie is made for the global market in general. Most successful Hollywood movies are not made for the US market specifically

[@FairyPrincessNia]

If someone signed me up for Daily Wire nonsense against my will, we throwing hands.

[@ThePoodle]

you already know this is what the second amendment was made for god bless amerciak

[@renaissancewoman3770]

I loved seeing you guys flip out at the end.

[@FiIjEe]

I think conservative comedians like to think of themselves as a modern Carlin and none of them understood what made him funny in the first place.

[@enzomthethwa5861]

OMG That rant about Democrats at the end was [chef's kiss]! LMAO

[@saaadbo]

Man I was a big fan of your comedy and I’m an even bigger fan now. You’re so real dude.

[@jos0874]

The last five minutes of this podcast had more comedy than that entire movie 😂

[@taelorstamm7226]

😭 admitting conservatives wouldn’t understand this lmao I have to explain this to my conservative relatives, I’M NOT HAPPY EITHER! I just know who is to blame

[@6dragondaddy913]

"Grass roots" funded by billionaires...

[@GothMusicLatinAmerica]

"We're angry too; we just don't blame it on trans people! Get mad at rich people!" This is my nod-my-head moment like that guy's high school girlfriend's dad.

[@earthlingian9253]

Conservative comedians 'satirizing' liberals always sounds more like liberals mocking how conservatives talk about liberals.

[@jetjet6560]

Love the podcast, it's fascinating to hear actual comedians talk about this subject (in a funny way too)! I will say, generally on this topic, we aren't allowed to be selective with our opinions/beliefs if we subscribe to a political ideaology, because the cost of buying in to a "side" requires one to agree on ALL the beliefs of that side. For instance if someone is a conservative who believes in science and the vaccine mandate, they are automatically ostracised from the rest of the group for being a "liberal sheep." And similarly on the left. It means you'd end up with more "pure" groups on every point of the political spectrum, but that fosters extremist thinking that is detrimental to cooperation (which is not good).

[@MiniM69]

But the differences is that the far right is the mainstream in Republican politics while the far left is still pretty much ignored by even liberals and so-called centrists. The crazies are driving the GOP agenda and the progressives can barely get electeds to take them seriously!

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@MiniM69 Right, but there's no 'cause & effect' relationship between those two things. The reason far-right nonsense is funded and somewhat "taken seriously" by the establishment is because there is money to be gained from it. A far-right gov't WOULD be profitable (for a very select few, that is). A socialist/leftist government is pretty much categorically not good for the people with money/power, and thus will never be supported by the powers that be. That's just the way she goes 🤷‍♂ You're not wrong though: leftist infighting isn't really the same as conservative solidarity. Conservatives fall in line because they value hierarchy and authority and all that jazz (no wait, they actually hate jazz). Leftists don't so much "fall in line", but rather argue incessantly about who is right because we generally have a strong desire for truth, and let's face it... a strong desire to be right 😂. I think they're qualitatively different. However, I do think it is a serious issue. Leftists would be SIGNIFICANTLY stronger as a unit if we could try to remember that we're all on the same side here. We agree with each other much more than we don't, and the level of anger we spend arguing with each other could be better directed elsewhere :) Edit: oh, and the other factor is that the U.S. is still feeling the effects of the Red Scare and whatnot. I was talking with my mom about politics in a restaurant the other day, and when Bernie Sanders came up, she automatically *_whispered_* the word "s o c i a l i s t", as if it was a dirty word or something. Completely subconscious decision, it was pretty hilarious. But also kinda illuminating as to how much that crap has messed us up 😬

[@therealgooseman2358]

8:39 He's right, Danny Trejo is 79 years old but he will literally be 80 in like 2 months. The fact that Danny Trejo was born in 1944 boggles my mind, it just doesn't feel right that he was born a year before the end of world war 2

[@G27pat]

A major problem why conservative "humor" falls flat is the insistence on punching down and not making fun of themselves. It is like The Rock putting in his co tracts that he never loses a fight or is made to look foolish. It makes them seem fragile and pathetic while lashing out. It seems pitiful when rich people make fun of poor people for being poor. There are several conservatives who are funny as fuck because their comedy includes self depreciation, making fun of everyone and poking the sacred cows.

[@keepingitkianatural]

Kat Blaque recommended this episode, and I'm officially a fan!

[@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube]

Their "humour" isn't actually humour, there is no difference between them attacking someone and them telling a joke, it's the same thing to them

[@kierangroves3324]

i’d love to hear his opinion on “don’t look up”

[@FortheLoveofMonsters]

55:19 at least bad liberal comedy doesn’t harm trans people

[@tianamaycry]

This whole review is so great. I love how real it is on every level, not just trying to bag on the Daily Wire but truly assessing the quality of the comedy. This whole movie was built on a premise that just does not work in reality as a point, and yet they tried to use it to exemplify their points, in doing that all they really accomplished was making it even more apparent how little of a point they have. I think this is all coming at a time where even conservatives are getting sick of the culture war and are starting to realize it's no longer worth fighting.

[@greenbean2874]

The way they had to bend over backward to have “a point” at the end of the movie because they accidentally kept proving that it’s not a real issue AT ALL, is the funniest part. They were fighting for their lives in that moment 😂 also I want that rant at the end on loop so I can play it to my parents

[@stevietirado3076]

Yes!!! Thank you!! Great ending!! We need more of that

[@swiggydswirl330]

Dont know if you've confirmed this in the video yet, but, dont you have to pay for the annual fee to watch this movie? I wouldn't dare touch the dailywire site but I heard from different political commentators that you'd have to pay like 500$ for it. Either way, I commend the commitment

[@Tikal881]

You can subscribe for a month (14.99) to watch it - no need to pay the whole year of sub for it

[@swiggydswirl330]

@@Tikal881 I've been bamboozled...

[@molliemicrobe]

they put it waaaaay down at the bottom of the page so the boomers who are too lazy to scroll just pony up a whole year's worth at once

[@Tikal881]

@@molliemicrobe Good UX tactic ! Props to them. It worked on the political commentator at least :D

[@popcorn1304]

I wish they pirated it! We gotta bring back piracy 😂

[@willshifley2982]

One of the biggest challenges with arguing with conservatives is they will make a straw man or boggy man of a “Liberal” and debate that instead of you.

[@Scallycowell]

Conservative comedy sucks for the same reason Christian movies and music suck. The message, no matter how banal or extreme, came long before the interest to deliver it through an artistic medium and as a result, it suffers.

[@TheWizardSojourn]

Jiz, the fan dubbing of Jem and the holograms, was famous for a good repeat abortion joke.

[@BossALKENO]

Jiz actually had charisma and wasn’t punching down

[@Genderanarchy]

My favorite fan lore about Jiz is it’s made by the same dude (jeff maccubbin) who now edits and is fan favorite of the drag queen KZbin series UNHhhh :)

[@reyrapids63]

It's important to remember that pretty much everyone involved in this movie failed to succeed in Hollywood. This movie is "all the kids not allowed in the cool kids clubhouse trying to make their own clubhouse." They are playing pretend that their dreams didn't crash and burn and patting each other on the back. They were fully in charge of this project so they got to put whatever they wanted with no one to tell them no.

[@prabhnoor_]

Whoaa that ending came out of nowhere! Love it so much , please make a shorts out of it ❤

[@prabhnoor_]

The last 2 mins *chefs kiss

[@lsrb-tm6sm]

Hey you typed the title wrong,it’s not ”conservative” comedy, it’s conservative ”comedy”.

[@cocowmn]

gianmarco can’t be starting videos by giving those things out for free

[@gabriel1205]

I haven't seen the movie, and I'm not going to, but I find it hilarious that the complaint you're making "they're trying to make a point, not making a good movie" is the exact same fundamental criticism that the anti-woke people make about modern movies "they're not making good stories they're just shoving xyz in our face".

[@northernp4]

There is actually a very simple distinction, they are lying when they say that, and the things they make are actually bad. Simple as.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

All insults made by conservative are just projection

[@ngotemna8875]

Every conservative's accusation is a concession. Every. Single. Time. They actually do it, so they think you do it, too.

[@netanelaker4437]

The thing that I don't get in this "movie" (more like a preaching podium) is that these conservative talking heads could have portraited themselves in ANY WAY they want and they chose to be portraited as losers, persecuted, crybabies - and then they expect the viewer to empathize with that. If you are not a DW fan - the only thing you get from this is "wow these people sucks".

[@jamespeterson7125]

I think you hit the nail on the head: the comedy has to be an extension of the position, not the position itself. As a side note, the right has caricaturized the left so badly in regular talking points, the way they think the actual left is, that what should be a comedic position is just what they think it is already. That's why I think they have such a hard time making jokes.

[@StAmander]

I'm so glad others are seeing what I've been seeing in the Daily Wire. When Ben Shapiro went against Budweiser for their trans thing that I didn't know existed despite being trans until the conservatives got triggered, it seemed like he had a disdain for not only the beer itself but his viewers who liked the beer up until that point. I can disagree with his viewers viewpoints, but he, himself, is on another level of deplorable on the way he views and treats his viewers. Like I actually feel at times bad for his viewers, it's like in elementary school being around people who are "friends" but secretly hate you and only are "friends" because they get something out of you. It feels like he's constantly mocking his viewers, and Russell kind of points it out in the writing the film. Nobody would want to root for the main protagonists who seem like the actual "conservatives" in the film while presenting a nonsensical interpretation of "liberals" (and Gianmarco does a good job pointing out they aren't even against real life liberals just the scarecrows conservatives call liberals). It's like constant jabs at his viewers, who aren't even really thinking about it that way, but I don't think they are dumb, just blinded by their anger and fear that they cannot see what is right in front of them as the Daily Wire grifts off them. What gianmarco says about how if it's expected and it's "old" or whatever, it's not funny, and that's how I feel about Chappelle as well. I joke he's a paragon of black don't crack because his jokes are so old he probably told them to Jesus. It's like listening to Fox News, why am I going to pay for this content why am I going to watch it, if it's going to be so incredibly dull and boring. It's not even able to go into the "So bad that it's good" kind of content.

[@dash-x]

I agree. It’s almost like a humiliation fetish of sorts? I can’t recall the name offhand, but one of Bens friends who has a show with the daily wire is a gay married man and he did an interview with Ben a while back. He asked Ben, his friend if he’d go to his wedding and Ben said he can’t morally support that. He responded to Ben that it’s true and he gets it. It made him look really pathetic and it was too depression to finish watching. I couldn’t believe he just sat there letting Ben, his friend and boss tell him how immoral and disgusting his love and family was. How sad. I guess the grift pays well?🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Skootfairy]

Comedian's Blue Balls 26:57 . Not being able to be funny because if you are funny it breaks your world view; and if you peer into that void you realize that you have no personal sense of identity; your entire life is built on your blood sweat and tears, all with severe lack of humour and for a cause that is constructed in lies and actually diminishes your humanity; everyone you love will now hate you with the same wrath they give to the devil; wait! This is the devil trying to convince me to think for myself! Out of my head you thought crime; God I submit to you my master, what should I do?;[God:....];*punches wall*

[@charlesrm5817]

Y'all got me into watching it. It's true throwing the chair is the best bit of the thing. You can't say it but I can. Please torrent to not support the Daily Wire.

[@conwelld]

The ending of this video is very cathartic.

[@Aaaaaaaalonika]

I watch stuff like this for catharsis. But then I need a break. I need to destress from all the tension I’ve behold up on me from getting angry at things. I don’t know how I could live basically only consuming content that does that to me.

[@weareallbornmad410]

I don't think it's true that political comedy is inherently bad. Jon Stewart's The Daily Show was pretty brilliant. His material poked fun at whatever ridiculous thing his team found in the news that day but it clearly had a small number of standing points that his pieces always added up to. "24 hour news cycle is void of meaning," "CNN is terrible at its job," and "Fox News is an evil propaganda machine hurting our country, please help me kill it" stand out most. The jokes were definitely making a point. But he wasn't stating opinions. He was asking questions, and the footage was usually the punchline. Meanwhile, Ben writes fictional stories in which his opinions are supposedly true. And his opinions are just... so full of contempt. It's particularly visible here, because "a bunch of losers pretend to be women and finally get their lives together as a result" is actually a pretty decent premise. It could have been a good movie!

[@JP_doesitall]

I live this show but you’re telling me that Page sat through this for an entire hour?

[@FAB13]

Yeah for real

[@Agent-ic1pe]

Yeah it seemed a little odd that she didn't really talk at all, though the camera frequently panned to show her reaction

[@FAB13]

@@Agent-ic1pe Yeah. I love Gianmarco, but as a woman, that situation is all too familiar...

[@paigeasachika6838]

Chill it’s not that serious. I talk more in the full episode on patreon 😘

[@FAB13]

@@paigeasachika6838 Yeah it's just feedback from some viewers, about our viewing experience. Even if you guys think it's NBD.

[@johnrussell-bk7lv]

Because it's not comedy. It's preaching in a "this is what I think funny people are supposed to sound like" voice. It has zero nuance.

[@nexusjayis]

as someone who is wayyy too into keeping tabs on this side of politics, this is such a solid intro into this topic for the wider public and a good dissection of their agenda. love the show, have only ever since ur TT clips but im glas this showed up on my recommended. Keep up the great and hilarious work!

[@alibushell6762]

Gianmarco screaming at us about the ineptitude of the Democratic establishment was funnier than the conservative thesis of the threat trans people pose to society could ever be. I almost fell off my chair.

[@obsessivefanboy]

I kinda love "namaslayyy" as a word though, is that problematic 😂

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

Not any more than rich white people using it after using yoga as an exercise

[@michaelregis1015]

Gay Indians: YAAAASS QUEEN!

[@JJ-fr2ki]

Read *Snark* an excellent essay (in book form). Central to it, is that the snarker doesn’t maintain any coherent theory; often also the conjunction of the negation of the podshots is logically inconsistent. It is a rhetoric which conservatives love, because like the RNC platform it is centrally empty, licensing any behavior.

[@m.g.4060]

a nonbinary person, dead domain, made a pretty in depth review of lady ballers.

[@spidybat7658]

I absolutely love dead domain

[@awkwardukulele6077]

The best part is, Dead Domain is a comedian and actually goes in depth for how the jokes, even the anti-trans ones, _could have_ been funnier if the writers just had _talent._ Their main takeaway was the same as most people, a movie needs to be interesting to be really offensive, Lady Ballers was just about as offensive as a regular news broadcast from the daily wire, but it was mainly just disappointing and badly made.

[@HappyNBoy]

"We're all mad! We just don't blame trans people!"

[@runcmd1419]

In the conservative radio vs daily show / colbert era, there was a good think piece about how conservative radio host jokes were simply insults against people they didn’t like, which stoked the hate machine. Where liberal comedy had detached irony and a sense of intellectual superiority What I really appreciate about this episode is that you’re doing what most ‘cancellers’ should be doing: pointing out how lame, tired, and hacky it is, rather than decrying how offensive it is. “I watched X’s special and it was so offensive! They should ban X!” vs “I started X’s special and it wasn’t that good, didn’t finish it.”

[@markocapoferri2994]

This. I tried watching that Chappelle special that got him in so much hot water back in 2021, and it was clear from the first few minutes that it simply wasn’t funny. All the brilliant timing and subversive takes that I appreciate about the earlier Chappelle specials were just utterly absent in those first minutes. And that’s why it sucked. I didn’t get to the trans material because the special wasn’t compelling enough to get past more than, at most, five minutes. It was hacky.

[@Lexi_Zone]

The weird thing is, most of the complaints about these things I see _are_ that they're tired, that they only have one joke, that they're not funny, etc. And the conservatives are the ones defending it by saying "oh you're just triggered" "sorry did you get offended lol?"

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@Lexi_Zone This, plus their newest catchphrase that they blurt out like an 8-year old: " Oh yeah? Uhm...you don't even know what a woman is hue hue hue"

[@dylanehooverlibrarian7026]

The "most triggering comedy!" angle is especially disappointing because when something tries to be a callback to early 2000s cheap raunch comedies, I'd expect something crass! But when your cheap comedy movie is outperformed by Freddy Got Fingered in terms of excess, shock value, OR laughs, it sucks (and I HATE Freddy Got Fingered.) At least Tom Green actually pushed boundaries when setting up a joke, instead if trotting out the most tired cliches I stopped laughing at around the time my balls dropped. I'd rather not there be vile and dehumanizing bullshit being cranked out as 'entertainment', but these creators are cowards for not even trying to push the envelope.

[@allyabernathy4098]

23:52 such a good point!! in their own fucking media they have an opportunity to write the story however they want and in their own movie the kid is completely fine 😂

[@mayasl1339]

i can't believe i actually watched that whole trailer just to understand what you guys were talking about. it was painful.

[@rachellemuller]

The energy on this episode was great! Thanks for your review of this movie. I was interested in watching it because I had a feeling it would be like watching a train wreck. Thanks for validating my expectations lmao 🤣

[@alan-daniel]

yeah, it's definitely interesting (and notable) that a lot of these people seem to REALLY enjoy dressing up as women for the camera.

[@Petticca]

@40:00 You touched on something that I have come to believe plays a sizeable role in the likelihood that someone will have more of an authoritarian world view, be prone to doubling down despite without actually knowing anything about the thing they're arguing about, and/or get sucked into obvious conspiracy theories and grifts. When you commented that 'it's the first thing you think of' and alluded to you know, growing up, and thinking about it a bit more, probably... This is something that does not seem to be an inherent trait in everyone. I don't think it's strictly arrested development, but it seems as though a not insignificant number of adults are stuck with a young, early teens idea about how things "should" _just_ be, like intrinsically certain things about the world, or people, or society should _obviously_ just be a certain way, with no real- world basis, or reasoning. And when reality conflicts with this, the response is to essentially throw a fit, and mouth off about it, because they are absolutely responding as a teen does when they are at the age where they _really_ believe they know how it all works, and nobody who disagrees has any idea how things are; they're too old to get it, too young to understand it, they don't even know this thing exists, they're too stupid... pick the one that's applicable to explain why _this_ person thinks they're wrong... Numerous adults truly do seem to process reality in the way, and they will commonly respond to people who disagree by throwing out silly shit like "It's just because you're a _ " or "You just hate _" And at no point do they seem to stop and ask themselves why they think that, does it make sense and are there potentially other explanations. They don't seem to have gone through that 'then you think about that for a while' stage of growing up. Questions, like genuine questions about why they think or believe X, or hold X view can be really productive, with people who behave in this manner. Trying to use evidence and related arguments is almost certainly going to have them intellectually disengage and put you in the 'people who make me mad, and who don't know tf about anything' category.

[@raak4070]

Gianmarco on behind the bastards when? This had really similar energy.

[@climatedoomer6139]

They stole that abortion joke from a cut scene from Fight Club

[@AdmitthatijustdiditX]

"We're angry too, we just don't blame it on Trans People!!" lmao thank you my dear.

[@benbartelman]

Does Paige ever talk more? Because she seemed like an accessory the entire time. She didn't get to contribute, the only time she was interacted with was when they were asking her rhetorical questions, and they moved on without waiting for her to answer