Why Craps Players are Losing (Secret to Craps Strategies)

[@ColorUp]

Here is article how 8.5 is determined. www.casinocitytimes.com/donald-catlin/article/how-long-is-a-craps-roll-1240

[@louvoodoo]

@Color Up Don Catin was a great man who really understood the math of the game. The 8.52 is really the average length of a hand of Craps. The average interval between 7's is 6 roll's of dice. In his follow up article to the one that you cited he states: "Roll# Probability of 7 Out 1 = 0.00000000 2 = 0.11111111 3 = 0.22788066 4 = 0.33264746 5 = 0.42387109 6 = 0.50278913 7 = 0.57095589 8 = 0.62980865 9 = 0.68060930 10 = 0.72445344 Well, there you have it. By the sixth roll the chances are just a bit better than even that a shooter will have sevened out." Do not let all the big math scare you, this article was a huge pivoting point in my understanding of Craps. www.casinocitytimes.com/donald-catlin/article/how-long-is-a-roll-part-2-1232

[@carolynclay2617]

Ok cool books to read and study. The chart is up lifting and gives knowledge very much needed. We need more on hands playing. The pandemic has slowed us down,,, gaming viewing are a a year and bubble,, fantasy craps are a joke,,,yet entertaining and most of all for the house.

[@mikegee8875]

Your best bet is minimum flat bet on dp or dc and max lay odds after point is established. The odds of you winning that bet is ALWAYS in your favor. Minimum flat bet minimizes losses from come out 7 11.

[@ColorUp]

The dont flat bet is never in your favor and carries a house edge. After point established though, you are correct and player always has the edge. Add as much odds as you like, as you will get payed fairly for taking the risk. But they always pay less than the odds bet, because you are more likely to win.

[@CSLintheCASINO]

@Color Up , This channel is straight up posting your video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/opnLo6erbapkmqM

[@snookemz2803]

Definitely do more videos that put two strategies head to head. Even some that are light vs dark, with variations. It’s great to see more than one strategy working at the same time for comparison. U do a great job.

[@ReggieR3gg]

Since all the table games were shut down on my vacation to Blackhawk, CO I got to play on the $1 min electronic craps table and test so many strategies and colored up good

[@actionjmac]

This is a great video! I used a modified version of this strategy last week and won big! $220 inside (5,6,8,9) after 2 hits, I go down to $110, now I'm out of the hand and have a profit of $30 and can now take advantage of the long roll and if big red comes it's no big deal. Of course point 7 out does happen but as you say in your video, 8.5 is the average and if a long roll does come you can press after regressing and make up for the point 7 out. It does take discipline to stick to this strategy because it's somewhat conservative. Thanks for the great video!

[@zaphirshamma9531]

This seems to make a lot of sense - thank you.

[@JoseGarcia-bw9go]

Great video. I have won big with $100-150 bank roll and lost my $300 bank roll in 15 minutes. So it is all about timing and sticking with your strategy and sticking with your casino lost number. And gamble with money you budget and if you lost don’t chase.

[@ColorUp]

Good stuff

[@MeanMachineLive]

Been watching a ton of your content and others, and this is one of the best ones I have seen. Still a beginner, but at the end of the day knowing when to get in, get out, regress, etc, seems like a fine art that you did a great job showing on this. Having the math up was amazing I don't see that often and am still learning just the simple spread betting styles, payouts, etc, so I really appreciated that. Cheers and thank you!

[@ColorUp]

Glad it was helpful

[@johnstsai]

Love your videos. As anyone who plays a lot knows, this sample size is just too small to determine whether a strategy is relevant. Really like the fact that you explore different strategies though.

[@JayAr709]

First priority, break even. I routinely do this-early, and then sometimes late in the day. I watch dice betters hit and run, return, to hit presumably, but run, again and again sometimes. They don’t seem too happy. It can weary oneself, to put in the hours grinding, only to break even when day is done. Be the toughest out. It always beats losing.

[@markadkins9290]

Another great video! You must be the king of the craps channels. I've watched so many and more keep popping up. How many videos have you made? Keep up the great work!

[@ColorUp]

Ha, over 300, been at this a few years

[@markadkins9290]

@@ColorUp I sure do love them and craps, thanks!

[@ncochran01]

When I first started playing, I would fret at how much money I left on the table. But when you get to those monster rolls and start pounding some numbers, those wins are worth it. Players kick themselves for turning their bets off early or not taking them down. I find a spot where I'm willing not to press any higher. I've been on a $5 table and had my 6 to $150 and decided that I'm not going any higher. I've been to $30 on all the inside numbers and decided to stop pressing. When you take your money down or turn it off you are out of the action. I enjoy playing and understand that I'm probably going to lose money. I might as well enjoy it while I can. Interesting video indeed.

[@ColorUp]

True gambler, and nothing wrong with that. The big score is sure fun! As long as you can afford to gamble, do it how ya like :)

[@pueophotography8179]

I threw 11k down and lost it all on the second roll lol 😆

[@724riff]

if there is anything ive learned is that after 5 or 8 rolls you can switch up and either get a hedge . or bet with the 7 . avoid the 7 all together by coming off or down . or pulling it down and putting it on a dont pass bet if you still want some action find a strategy that avoids losing your place bets . that seems to be the tale of the tape at the end of the day and how much it adds up .

[@freeman1031]

Hell yea, thank you brother! I have never thought of it in that way, this will really change my entire approach to the game!!

[@paulandrews1356]

It kills me to see how much money gets wiped off the table after a long roll, much of it is my own! Regress or go dark-side, players!

[@ColorUp]

The 7 is coming!

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

Once in my life I was the hero. Three rolls, different shooters, one relatively short (roll, not shooter), the other 2 up in the 10 to 12 range. Three times in a row I turned my bets off exactly before the 7-out. By the 3rd time, guy next to me was a believer, thought I was a time traveler. I should have quit then and kept the mystery alive but instead tried it a few more times, failing miserably.

[@Kate98755]

at 4 rolls i'm getting ready to get off the table, i've tracked the average at our casino

[@albertshilton5336]

Love seeing the scores for A & B on screen. In the future you could show A and the house. Thanks for great videos.

[@chadaitken5476]

Some observations? We could always play poker first, grind out a profit and take it to the craps table. Craps players like to play more than they like to walk away a winner. b. Players want to grind out a win. Instead of going for it within 6-8 rolls. Load up for one roll with “profits”. There’s nothing to say you can’t bet 100.00 hard 4, (then take it down) hop the 4’s, place the 4’s and bet the field. Don’t forget to add a few white chips (cheks) for a two way. Thanks for the dealer tip podcast.

[@ColorUp]

Yep, no right or wrong way to approach game, just play style you are most comfortable with.

[@chadaitken5476]

@@ColorUp. I’m not trying to mismatch you. But, the normal way players play (playing the long roll, small bankroll, a few numbers) is how Vegas gets built. While craps is a negative EV game, winners want to be on a different script than building Vegas.

[@wagermethis]

This is some of the best math based play you have ever put out. Good video.

[@ColorUp]

Thanks

[@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965]

Betting dont pass with max odds is the mathematical way to play genius

[@wagermethis]

Thank you I'm glad someone else recognizes my genius

[@wheretoplaygames]

This is one of the best craps videos I have seen, probably ever

[@richardmiller1329]

Good video. Makes alot of sense. Will give this a shot this weekend. THANK YOU!!

[@Littleredrumcooler]

Great video! Nothing new to me but you have demonstrated in a very simple way just how betting strategies work and why you want to use the one that is right for your comfort level. I read a long time ago about "professional craps players" that play all day but they go in for their 3 hits then take their profit and move on to the next shooter or point.

[@Littleredrumcooler]

Of course for that player that is in Vegas for the weekend and they want to come home a big winner you can either play to win or play not to lose. Personally I play to win so I am always gonna leave my bets working and press them as those numbers hit.

[@Shooter11B]

I like it. Another short game strategy to consider is as follows. If you use the two hit (I prefer 3) then down strategy, you can take down your initial bets (mine would be 64 across typically), and take your first two wins and put them back out on the line, be it 28 across or more depending on if you hit a four or ten,. Keep the third hit as pure profit. This way you have your two wins on the table basically using the "casino money" to bet with. In essence for free. You can leave it out there as long as you want and not feel too bad about it if you lose in a handful more rolls. BUT, if you continue to roll numbers, you of course can keep all the wins or press and keep. If you catch a big roll you will clean up. If you do not, you can try again with no pain at all.

[@emidiosantini7344]

All systems are gr8, some of the times. Problem is the results, are bad all of the times. If all dealer hole cards are faces, then all rolls are 7. Until their not. Start by risking as little as possible. This will ensure reserve if a chase is required. If you get a big enough lead, then go for the score. At the end of the day. Every dollar in your pocket is a dollar won, even if you lost.

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

Exactly wrong. Why start small? Luck is like stored energy. If you haven't gambled in awhile, you're going to start your next session on fire. Take advantage of it. Go it all on the first bet and double your bankroll. You'll see I was right, either way you choose to go.

[@ashleymalik6588]

I am a math person and I feel the key word that no one uses is the Stochastic process. This is a great video! Basically it helps explain the phenomenon where the odds of say rolling a 4 is 1 in 12 rolls 3 combinations out of 36. Yet I have hit 6 4s in 13 rolls. I remember going off on a 50 roll monster making 5 points etc or hitting 8 2s in 13 rolls. I can now incorporate clever wagering as it converted me from an original dark side player btw.

[@ColorUp]

I’ll have to look up “stochastic process” all I know for sure. The dice will do what they do.

[@amphibdriver1]

I found this out years ago by writing down the rolls of each shooter at the crap table I was playing on and also when the seven came out after their point was made. I used to take three hits on the 5,6,8,9 but after eating a comp meal and looking in my black notepad where I kept track of all of the numbers rolled I then found out that I would make more profit by just taking two hits and then turning off all of my place bets vs taking three hits. On average the number seven rolls every six rolls. I only gave each shooter two rolls to hit the 5,6,8,9 and then turn my place bets off. I then missed so my sevens taking my place bets down. If more ways you can make a number the more times it will roll. If the 6,8,7 have not rolled in two rolls the chance of 6,8,7 will usually roll on the third of forth roll of the dice. My favorite dice strategy is the Iron Cross. I have the dealer place $15 on the 5, $18 on the six and eight, and $10 in the field for only two rolls and then tell the dealer to turn off my place bets. If my field bet is still on the crap table I take it off too.

[@JoeFerber]

DATS the way to play!

[@pohau80]

the amount of times I see point 7 offsets the long rolls.

[@ColorUp]

Yes, that’s why the math says the 7 shows once every 6 rolls…for every roll that lasts 12, there has to be an offsetting roll of 1

[@thespanish21god86]

Yep, I am DEFINITELY a player A type of player when betting on others shooting because JUST like you have demonstrated here, THIS is TYPICAL in REALITY!!!

[@CrapsDownUnder]

Whilst the average is 8.5ish the more useful number is that just over fifty percent of shooters are actually done by roll 6. The wizard of odds does have a craps survivability table with the odds of surviving roll six just 49.72% So for me the take home is that the chance of continuing beyond roll 6 is starting to diminish whilst before roll six is a better than 50% chance. By the way it is a tough probability to calculate because it takes into account every possible game state and dice combination together.

[@ColorUp]

Yeah. I like to stick too basic. Every time your roll, there is a 1 in 6 chance the 7 will show. 17% on every roll. Play accordingly.

[@jimeronimo]

Hey Jeremy. Good stuff. I wonder if you'd do another vid comparing a similar play for two shooters but one is always working on the come out.

[@RealtorMikeBast]

Great video! Great way to consider bankroll management at the table.

[@darrenkennedy5990]

Love the advice and video. Would like to see a comparison video of short game that presses and then goes off after a few score hits versus the same bet shooter that presses and stays in game

[@ColorUp]

Yep, I want to do that soon.

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

Old Chinese proverb: he who presses should work in laundry. Will dig in ashtray for change to pay toll on way home.

[@darrenkennedy5990]

Here’s another one he who is afraid to lose and press will never profit.

[@GeoWolfsDeth]

Your dealer two-hand grabs of right 5s and left 1s are looking great. You’ve been practicing or just doing a lot more of these. Good vid!

[@ColorUp]

Just doing more. I’m sure I’d improve much quicker if I actually set time aside to practice.

[@Listener827]

Smart idea Jeremy.

[@roadsgt97]

Hitting that monster roll feels nice but it wont make up for all your losses over time that you save by turning off your bets Firm believer in taking a few hits and a press then turning off your bets till the new roller starts

[@kylebrink7523]

I like pressing for 5 rolls and turn bets off and wait for a 7. Collect for 5 and turn off. Then repeat

[@kylebrink7523]

I do play field, ATS, hard ways and occasional horn while off

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

Give some thought to how turning off your bets (after a few hits) and seeing number after number go by, followed by the making of the point, AFFECTS your mental state. Do you start thinking in terms of "I've only got so much luck and I just scared away half of it.'?

[@pjohnston440]

@@kylebrink7523 Agreed. I've used this system playing 200+ hours on a sim and it seems to work pretty well. Although, at times I'll keep some winnings and let it ride.

[@miker6402]

Interesting to see how many rolls it actually takes to get close to the same point as turning your bets off after two hits.

[@barthk3640]

That doesnt really matter if your only concern as a pass line player should be the true odds of a 7 out after a point is established. (And it isnt 8.5 rolls!!) Sure you may miss one 15 # roll by pulling your bets down on the 5th roll. So what. You'll also miss 20 7 outs, on the 6th 7th n 8th rolls when u have the board all loaded up n get crushed time after time after time. Leaving it all out there hoping for that 15 or 20 # roll, sure, it works every time. Til ur on ur way home broke after 5 shooters who went 5 2 6 4 n 3 rolls, n out. lol...

[@ColorUp]

The probability of a 7 rolling is 1 in 6, each and every roll. Will it happen on 2nd, 6th, or 20th? That’s the gamble.

[@benwhitnell]

What almost all of these “strategy demo” videos show is that the cardinal sin in playing any craps strategy is not having enough bankroll when you get to the table and relying on an early hot roll to buy you time. Any strategy is going to have some ups and more downs, you need to have enough cash to be there when/ if the “ups” come and enough discipline to leave before the table regresses to the mean.

[@russellgrimes811]

I bought in for $1200 today. I placed $25 on the 4, 5, 6, 8 and 9 two shooters in a row and they both went 7 out right away. I was pissed. I left the table down $250. I wound up winning $800 for the day but I have blackjack, not craps, to thank for the win. I like craps but do not think there is any strategy that enables people to consistently win money unless they are true dice control experts and only bet more than the table minimum on their own rolls. I have never nor will I ever place more than $25 across the line and am hesitant to do even that because I usually lose. If I go down $250 at the craps table I walk away and leave if I win $100. I never buy in for less than $1000. I think it is the worst table game. The only way to come out ahead is to have a big bankroll and bet conservatively. The casinos make money from people who cannot sustain losses

[@benwhitnell]

@@russellgrimes811 I mean, mathematically speaking there are NO strategies at ANY of the games that will allow someone to consistently win money over time assuming everyone is playing the game straight up. Over a long enough time horizon there is always a house edge, that’s how the casinos got to be so big and shiny. Those bricks weren’t out there by winners...

[@shadowfox662]

I'd look for a empty table if you're gonna try for any strategies or play conservative while you feel out a full table for good shooters. I'd rather rely on my own arm for long table play at an empty table then randos at a full table

[@YouConquer]

This is a very interesting study of one strategy vs. another. You didn't account for any potential pass/don't line bets though if either is shooting. It would have been nice to see 10 players instead of 5 to get more data. Love to see more of these types comparisons of strategies you already have on your channel especially a various pass line vs. dark player. Conservative vs. Aggressive too. Really enjoy the channel, great work.

[@theedge8659]

(Win%×amount won)-(loss%×amountbet) If number is negative its unbeatable what ever game you play you can't beat a fixed edge

[@ColorUp]

Casino always has edge... player needs luck and variance

[@theedge8659]

@@ColorUp when you say variance which i fully understand how do you use it to your advantage

[@ColorUp]

Not sure you can use to your advantage, if you are lucky it can work in your favor. Consider “free odds” if you max the odds bet out, that part of bet is zero house edge. Technically makes no difference if you make the bet or not, but if lots of points hit the variance would work in your favor, but could just as easily go the other way.

[@theedge8659]

@@ColorUp check out scoblete at casino city times

[@ColorUp]

I’ve read many of his articles

[@Mr.Frost720]

You just explained my "beginners luck phase" at I dubbed it for about 6 hours 5 and 6 came up regularly and a the occasional higher numbers would be hot

[@richiemacc]

I like the random Casino Arizona chip in there. Wish we had live craps here. Good info for my next trip to vegas.

[@jackdeth2004]

My last trip to Las Vegas was my 1st losing trip in a while. I was doing good for 3 days, probably up $500 over all my sessions. , but the very last night I was at a casino with 10x odds and the table was extremely cold, no one was hitting the point and would seven out after only a few rolls. I did not blow my entire starting bankroll trying to win. So I consider that a positive :-) When I take my daughter to LV for her 21st birthday later in the year I'm going to switch to a "don't" strategy if I'm at a table like that again. I have never been a don't player before.

[@ColorUp]

It can change from dont back to a do table on next roll. You never know. Happy 21 to her and have fun

[@barthk3640]

As far as I can tell. There's a flaw in that computation w regard to expected profit and loss. As there's no weight given to the 2,3 n 12 on the come out for the dp shooter. It also seems to incorporates that the "continuation" of a 7 rolled on the come out, is no longer an independent event. But a "continuation" of past events. Which I understand. But clearly I'm missing something here. As it not only doesn't incorporate the roll of individual numbers and their placement during the rolls subsequent to the roll of a 7. But no apparent weighting to the 2 3 n 12. I believe if you weight the 2, 3 n 12 appropriately. It will change the expected payback ratio on the dp bet to the correct %. Because by my calculations with this math the expected house edge on the dp without weighting the payout on the dp front line winners is north of -2.1%. When we know it to be around -1.4% including the payout/push with the dp front line winners. While the math may bear out initially to show a shooter throwing an average of 8.5 rolls. While it may be correct mathematically on the surface. This is inherently flawed with regard to actual win/loss %. Because, we know that the only time a shooter must pass the dice, is when they 7 out. Therefore a craps roll on the come out. Doesnt require the shooter to pass the dice and must be weighted appropriately in our expected payback. BUT IN THIS CALCULATION IS INCLUDED AS A CONTINUATION IN THE SERIES OF "SUCCESFUL" ROLLS ??? And the number of total rolls per shooter. Not just as a continuation of a roll including a 7 on the initial come out roll. Someone show me what I'm missing here with regards to the lack of representation of our expected return when a craps or push is rolled on the come out as part of our "8.5" average rolls per shooter??? I believe with this incorporated (being the appropriate weighting of 2 3 n 12) it changes everything. And lowers the "true" average roll to around 5.5 per player. If we are to consider a successful roll to be one in which a shooter either 7s on the initial come out then points. Or 7s out after x amount of rolls. Because we aren't concerned about true total average rolls per shooter. Or at least we shouldn't be. We're concerned about expected avg win/loss %'s Ps: as a side note. Seems like a crappy little piece of skewed info thrown out there to try n get shooters to leave their bets on the table longer... til they get crushed. Jmho

[@ColorUp]

Skewed info to get players to leave bets out longer???? Video advocates for 2 hits and down, can’t leave out much shorter. As far as the math, take it up with the many mathematicians that have published the avg roll is 8.5.

[@ColorUp]

the craps rolls on come out, only endorses that avg roll is longer than the 7’s probability of six rolls. 33% of time there is a 7,11,2,3,12 on come out roll, thus extending shooters hand.

[@cooler1854]

Your thoughts on biased dice in las vegas casinos

[@ColorUp]

Nope, not since maybe gangster days. They want a fair game. No need to cheat when they take a percentage of every bet. They have license to print money, no need to put that gaming license in jeopardy.

[@DWeirich76]

Is it better to miss out on a monster roll if you are consistently making money on 4 or 5 rolls 🤔

[@ColorUp]

I guess that depends. How you like to play. What are your goals? Big win or more consistent small wins.

[@LIVdaBrand]

I watched your videos about a week ago and I’ve been doing very well in Craps. Thanks a lot-you’re really good at this💪🏾🎲🎰✅. I signed up for your course and watched a couple of videos and I like to play the 6 and the 8 and if the eight is on I’ll just play the 6 (because I have a pass-line bet) and let them roll out-that way I don’t lose much money. The odds are in my favor and I normally come out with money if I stay at the table. I was up to hundred on 100 for a total of $300. It may take a little longer to do that, but at least the money is in my pocket taking putting less money on the table. Let’s be honest-- I got lucky on some field bets too lol.

[@michaela9156]

What this video is, is a great example of why you play the Pass Line and bet odds lol

[@mdubrey]

Well done. Thank you

[@ColorUp]

Thanks for watching!

[@h2t26]

The reason you loss is because it's a negative expected value game. The longer u play the house edge will take over.

[@ColorUp]

Neg EV is why all players lose in the long term and there is no such thing as a professional dice player....but short term there are other reasons players are losing.

[@jimeronimo]

Hey Jeremy. Another great vid..you make a good point with this one. Glad to see it. As a relatively newer player I've learned alot from your videos over the last year or so when I can catch them. I've come along way since I got started and have done pretty well playing and practicing. One of the best things about your vids are your objective teaching approach. Another one you might do if you haven't already is comparing two players. One always working vs the player who leaves it off on the come out roll. I've noticed the common practices of the game like bets off on the come out, getting people to always play the pass line, etc, are really more in favor of the casino..a missed payout on the come out is what they want. I know the difference will always be the guy who's rolling but statistically I'm betting the guy who's working bets more on the come out tends to win more.. thoughts?

[@ColorUp]

Well the 7 is due every 6 rolls, so doesn’t matter if bets are working or not...big red shows it’s head when it likes. The really long rolls I ever seen, the shooter threw their 7,s on come out rolls and that’s how they got to keep rolling

[@jimeronimo]

@@ColorUp agreed. I tend to think it's better to keep them working for exactly the same reason. And yes I've had some serious good rolls 24 to 59 amd that 7 would come exactly on those come outs. I've had only once so far I've tracked a 38 count roll that the 7 didn't show until the final 7out. Not normal of course.

[@harungunes2689]

I like the iron cross 6+8+ field and lay 5 roll go best because 7 come doesn't hurt you some times I just collect money because 5 doesn't show better than

[@phiberoptik232]

You're a seven machine. if I see you at a casino iam betting the dont's when you're up. but I still like your content. keep'em coming.

[@ColorUp]

It may seem that way, but even with point seven on one roll, my avg in this video was 7.2rolls. 1 roll below avg.

[@teach9906]

Me seeing you lose: I see so the reason craps players are losing is because they're playing in the first place.

[@ColorUp]

It’s a gambling game.

[@erich6879]

This is GREAT, I think that I can win $1,500 - $2,000 with your teaching. I am going to kill it tonight!!!!!!!!!!!! Best video on KZbin, EVERYONE should watch it!

[@JoeFerber]

LMFAO!!!!!

[@anthonycasamassima4739]

Aaaaaaand he lost 2,000

[@dice-city1386]

The Real deal !!! Thank you for the math!!!

[@stuartjohnson8171]

Are the two hits based on the player. For example point is 5 next two rolls are 6, 8 and the place bets are turned off. The next roll is a five. Do you play the 44 inside after the point is established or do you wait for the next shooter?

[@ColorUp]

Next shooter. Now the next shooter could just as easily roll a 7 on their first roll, but you are hoping that each shooter can get closer to that 8.5 avg. a shooter who hits his point is that much closer to 8.5 avg. so wait for next shooter. That’s the theory anyway.

[@keithmchugh5403]

Regression... The way to go Jeremy.

[@ColorUp]

Looks to be the case.

[@Levelaz1994]

Regression to prevent depression

[@ColorUp]

Ha, that’s a good one

[@slydogger]

Ive noticed when I have the four, five , six placed -- all the rolls are eight , nine , ten. WTH?

[@ColorUp]

Sounds like the dice gods gate you too! Ha

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

Here's my string of Come bets song, including the opening Pass Line bet: 4, 5, 6...8, 9, 10...SEVEN OUT! LINE AWAY!

[@AfroPick82]

You could try to gradually or quickly move your bets ( 4,5,6) over to the hitting numbers (8,9,10). When it happens bc you have 3 place bets at risk anyway. And you could still get back on the 4,5,6 if you wanted to with profit from the hitting numbers. You switched up to or simply press the hitting numbers. Gotta be flexible which is a struggle as well.

[@samueleuresti3]

Somehow I missed this video from 3 months ago. Great video! Dice theory + Strategy = Great Video!!!

[@ColorUp]

Glad you liked it!

[@sunnyscott4876]

Can you take down place bets at any time in the rolls?

[@ColorUp]

Yes

[@sunnyscott4876]

@@ColorUp thanks!

[@darrellq6954]

Having less money exposed to the house edge will always come out ahead....common sense....0 money gambled is 0 money lost......

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

"Watching all the rolls go by", the theme song of my life.

[@JoeOh100]

LMAO same here... worst feeling after I've taken my bets down.. i feel like im watching from the sidelines more often than crapping out some times

[@bigdirtygaming6429]

8.5 is average? She lied to me........

[@MurderMostFowl]

Lol

[@vali_odinsson]

Have you ever seen a shooter pass the dice to the next player in the middle of a hand? Is that permissible in every casino?

[@ColorUp]

I’ve seen, I’m sure it’s allowed as the casino would have no choice to pass dice if player refuses to shoot. I saw resent video from KZbinr suggesting that...I don’t get reason why?

[@iptvclub1575]

Yes they can. I have seen that happen with DON'T players usually. They are playing the don't and once they hit 2-3 points, they pass the dice.

[@vali_odinsson]

@@ColorUp The concept is to make 3 score hits then take all bets down, and pass the dice, the theme being for dice controllers to play big ($360 across, working on come out, press all winnings after each score hit however you like) and minimize the risk of throwing a 7. More likely for a non-controller to throw a 7 soon after taking bets down.

[@ColorUp]

Sure but why not keep rolling with min bet, he a dice controller after all, and if long roll he can build his min bet up with no real risk...just doesn’t make sense to pass, especially if you are the best shooter at table.

[@iptvclub1575]

@@vali_odinsson that makes no sense. Even if you pull your bets down you still have your contract passline bet (as the shooter). A true dice controller would take as much practice in a real casino environment as they can get. Make your 3 hits, drop down to minimum (22 inside) or just the 6 and 8 and keep throwing to practice. A dice controller would never pass the dice.

[@northwoodsdweller]

cause they roll 4-5 times and think their number or a 7 isn’t gonna hit, just keep pressing other numbers....pull them the hell down and either hit ur number or 7 out.

[@FestusBro]

Dice are brutal tonite. And every nite.

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

You will be more relaxed and more confident with a bigger bankroll. Maybe a smaller target win. Try this: If you ever go somewhere where there are numerous casinos, such as the AC Boardwalk or Vegas, try casino hopping, where you buy in for a grand and try to win 100 at each place. You will find winning much easier and more frequent. Of course, if you insist on making Hardways bets and other center nonsense, there's not much hope for you to succeed. Good exercise, too!

[@JoeFerber]

@@380_pound_black_womans_sto3 Word is BOND Yo!

[@Mccaid]

So can i just turn my bets off at any point or only at certain times

[@ColorUp]

Anytime, only a pass line bet or come bet cannot be turned off or removed.

[@Mccaid]

@@ColorUp thanks, im going to the beau rivage in biloxi in a few weeks and im hoping your videos will help make me a millionaire ; )

[@ColorUp]

:) well good luck and have fun!

[@randallcochran9070]

Turning bets off eliminates monster roll profits.

[@ColorUp]

It does, why I recommend regression and build back up, but keep something in action. . Tap into best of both worlds. Even though monster rolls are rare, they best chance to take back from the casino.

[@Kate98755]

when i turn my bets off the dealers will give me crap and so many times the next roll is 7, i just say...what'd you say? huh? they don't do it as much anymore because i am right many times, nothing magical, just math

[@ColorUp]

I always find it interesting when dealers comment on how players choose to play.

[@Fever2113]

Math? Isn't believing that past rolls influence future rolls a fallacy? Doesn't matter how many rolls the shooter is on, the chances of rolling are the same

[@ColorUp]

Called gamblers fallacy

[@kwanholloway4112]

The average roll is : Charlie Brown teacher voice lol

[@ColorUp]

Yeah, I said 8.49something or other, so I was off a little bit

[@AfroPick82]

The 7 can literally come at any point during the 8. Something average roll. The inside joke

[@paulconrad6220]

Solid thumbnail

[@ColorUp]

THanks

[@davidrumsey5317]

Do the dealers get pissed if you keep turning off your bets?

[@ColorUp]

Shouldn’t, easier for them than to pull bets down and back up. They are there to service your bets. If they take care of you, tip them. If they have a bad attitude and don’t want to service your bets as you like, well......

[@Williamthefourth]

i think i always lose because i have no plan at the table. And I have no idea how to bet properly. Meaning when to take down money and when to press etc...

[@carolynclay2617]

Ok,, now that's what I'm talking about,,,we as gamblers are not working as a unit. We are there to make money. We need to practice shooting dice practice bedding in a Safeway to our advantage just as if we are a NFL player making money. Making the odds in our favor.. we also have math, science, and the positivity of will and mechanics. These are just a couple of things to do,, besides betting the right moment and time to hit a lick. The words of a true gambler take only what you need to lose or win and a scared man can't win.

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

You can't make the odds in your favor.

[@DWeirich76]

Lol @ thumbnail 🤣

[@randallcochran9070]

You have to leave the casino to win !!!

[@joecolly8147]

Have a question for you. I just started playing and went to a casino near me. They had $50 limit tables. I put $64 down and said it was for 'across the board'. He looked at me so I thought I said something wrong so I said, 'inside and outside numbers'. He said I couldn't bet that. Why? Do I have to put $50 on each number?

[@iptvclub1575]

yes if it's a $50 min table that is $50 min bet PER NUMBER. so if you wanted to go outside numbers 4/5/9/10 that would be $200 minimum. That's a crazy minimum, need atleast 5-10K bankroll to play that game. OR you could just bet $50 on 1 number. So $5 minimum table would be $32 across, $10 min table would be $64 across.

[@ColorUp]

IPTV gave correct answer

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

@@iptvclub1575 He should be buying the 4 and ten. That costs.

[@iptvclub1575]

@@380_pound_black_womans_sto3 True that would be $4 to buy the 4 and 10 at the $50 level. So it would be $204

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

@@iptvclub1575 - I've tried that.....this is how you know how you are going to be treated. If they let you buy each for $2, fine. If they combine them and say your total action is $100, therefore vig is $5, try buying them one at a time. If they try to charge you $3 for the second one, start taking your bets down every other roll and then putting them back up. Bet odd amounts like a $108 six to tire the dealer's brain out. Cheap places need to be taught a lesson.

[@JoeOh100]

great video! Side question - can you JUST play the hardways ? 4/6/8/10

[@ColorUp]

Some casinos may allow, typically they want a “standard” bet in play as well, and not just a prop bet

[@JoeOh100]

@@ColorUp as in pass/dont pass? sorry for the dumb question

[@ColorUp]

@@JoeOh100 good question. Pass or don’t is required only if you are shooting the dice. So could just be a place bet in action or really any of the main bets. But again just depends on casino, if busy or not etc.

[@JoeOh100]

@@ColorUp thx! heading to vegas in a few weeks... watching hours of your videos!

[@cyoung355]

I fully understand the conservative approach. But aren’t you sad when a monster roll happens? You know if you buy back in on a long roll it will end next roll. So you sit there for an hour watching and asking yourself are you a spectator or a gambler?

[@ColorUp]

Yea, that’s why I personally never pull everything off. Even if just go down to 6/8 place bets and start building back up.

[@chadaitken5476]

Are we sure the Ave roll is 8.5 with a 7 odds being 1 in 6? The standard deviation is to 8.5, but I wonder the more you roll the Ave shld be 6 rolls? Random rolls.

[@ColorUp]

Yes. You have to remember some 7’s will appear on come out roll, or after point is made when the roll will continue. You can find the math proved out by several mathematicians online.

[@ColorUp]

Here is a good read. www.casinocitytimes.com/donald-catlin/article/how-long-is-a-craps-roll-1240

[@chadaitken5476]

Thanks! The more you know the more questions we have?

[@380_pound_black_womans_sto3]

Another reason dice controllers shouldn't put any special effort into the Comeout rolls.

[@chadaitken5476]

@@380_pound_black_womans_sto3 One could argue, if you get your point early

[@bvbucket9548]

i always when more on the dark side

[@Invader-bu9bu]

Why I play alone

[@JoeFerber]

YEP!!!

[@danzyyg3768]

I had no idea you can turn your bets off when the point's on...

[@ColorUp]

Sure can, some dealers will just return your bets, especially off for a period of time.

[@lit4122]

Good afternoon Jeremy, just checking to see if you will be in central city on Friday with rick, if so I have a few things for you

[@ColorUp]

Yep, 6pm

[@lit4122]

I will see you there

[@anthonyhankerson1466]

I'm the player who walks away winning or losing

[@kitcarson9047]

The difference between GOD and a pit boss? GOD knows HE'S NOT a pit boss

[@drdontpassone8164]

it's all about the math . lots of bad math most casinos . just watch and see. g ddp1

[@carolynclay2617]

Ok,, thanks for the ❤️ and let's talk about the Art of gamblers. MIT students with the help of mathematics and practice count cards. The Art of dice control and settings comes to mind and play. Color up if you use dice control/ setting /press / table amount and bankroll.. 🤔🤔🤔( thinking in shooting pool,,the upper/lower/left/right/center and speed control of setting up the next shots. Fat's Domino and great players took time, practice/learning and skills and positioning the cue ball. We are learning the ropes and the tables, betting, shooting,we can win. Practice makes perfect.) Roll with it color up.

[@lesbolstad]

Are you having a stroke?

[@bobjeffrey8863]

BEST BEST WAY to win at Craps is know when to LEAVE GET OUT RUN AWAY FAST and don't look back, Live to fi ght another day

[@ColorUp]

If only I could see future and know right moment to leave at peak of winning

[@jimklemens5018]

The second player should be pressing their bets.

[@fortunatusnine2012]

👍👍👍

[@kevinphallus]

6 6 6 I knew 7 was next lol.

[@LarryxBaker]

I love my hard 8 (heh 😆) I would have made a lot of money off you with that roll lol

[@TR-ed5so]

theres an old saying scared money dont make money

[@ColorUp]

that is an old saying

[@adamhutton4165]

You know I always appreciate your insight and love for the game. But in this video, you're just pulling scenarios out of your ass wholesale. Trying to determine if it's better to take down bets in 5 or 6 or 8.3 rolls? There is no answer to this. There is NO right or wrong. What do I mean? I just got back from Atlantic City and I did most of my play at Caesars. I witnessed a "Point established then IMMEDIATE 7 rolled" EIGHT times in a row. Yes, eight times in a row. The NJ guy next to me put $440 inside after EVERY point was established and lost on the very next roll eight times in a row. That's reality.

[@ColorUp]

Yep, it’s called gambling for a reason

[@Alex-bq2vs]

8.5 NO WAY! A 7 comes once every 6 rolls, but it takes at least 1 roll to get a point. So, that leaves a max. of 5 rolls before a 7.

[@ColorUp]

Many times the 7 appears on come out roll, thus extending the hand. I pinned link so you can see the math at top of comments.

[@derekedmonds1102]

Ur forgetting about all the horn numbers also on the come out, how many times have you seen shooters roll 4, 5 ,6 times before establishing point? i e: 7,3,11,7,7

[@ColorUp]

33% of time the come out roll is 7,11,2,3,12 thus extending the roll. 12 out of 36 combos. Pass line win or lose, the hand continues for the shooter, and his second roll, 33% chance it wins or loses, even before a point is established.

[@Alex-bq2vs]

That is why a max. of 5 rolls. Often we see a 2,3,11 or 12 before a point. John Patrick said,"The 3 most important words in English are -TAKE ME DOWN" He suggested 3 rolls after a point.

[@ColorUp]

James Millar if seven rolls to probability which means once in six rolls, than anything before a point is established just gives more credence to mathematical fact that avg roll is 8.5. You can feel however ya like, and follow J Patrick advice of 3 rolls after point. 7 can and dies show up before 3 rolls plenty. That’s the gamble, guessing how long the roll will last.

[@TR-ed5so]

perhaps you could hire someone to toss dice for your videos, reason being in most all you throw are sevens. Very difficult to play out strategys because youre a lousy roller, at least on video

[@ColorUp]

Not true. All my videos have been tracked, to date I roll almost exactly to how probability dictates. I have videos with 20, 30 + rolls as well

[@TR-ed5so]

@@ColorUp well youre definitely better than that bum king dice lol Thank you for your hard work also

[@TR-ed5so]

@@ColorUp I was also joking about hiring someone too!!!! Thanks for all you do bro, i love your videos. The part you said about leaving when we're up applies to me also. As you know money management is ket and knowing where you are at all times in your chip count.