Why Crocodile vs Lucci Is Not A Fair Fight

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@zagessj 5 ай бұрын

A common comment I’m getting is about “Logia fruits have passive intangibility” despite the example that shows the contrary in 5:05. This example can be passed up as a gag scene and not valid which is fair but other instances of Logia users being caught off guard, blitzed or standing around can just be argued to be in the element form already examples being Enel, Kizaru w/ Apoo, Monet w/ Zoro etc. Personally I don’t think there’s a definitive answer to this so I don’t really care which stance you guys take. As it pertains to this video and match up it’s just an argument for those who will cope and aren’t willing to accept Oda retconning Lucci and CP9 to have Haki preskip.

@a123_epic 5 ай бұрын

10:03 swordsmanship = skill with the sword and skill is not strength His skill with a sword is the highest among the scabbards not his strength is the highest Among the scabbards

@a123_epic 5 ай бұрын

Imo once we see Crocodile fight he’ll be very strong, stronger than current Zoro, sanji, and Marco

@EWOODJ 5 ай бұрын

1:23 _“One’s bounty is a measure of one’s strength as well as their general threat to the government.“_ It’s mostly the latter.

@kagelynx 5 ай бұрын

Obviously, Lucci did not have haki pre-timeskip. If he did, then he couldn't use it consciously. He attacked Luffy countless times pre-timeskip. It was stated that Lucci could not hurt Luffy at all outside of sharp attacks and the Rouku-Ougan.

@zagessj 5 ай бұрын

Oda just retconned it so that’s how it is now

@williebo510 5 ай бұрын

Kaido had haki and couldn't really hurt Luffy with his blunt attacks either same for katakuri, doffy, cracker and kizaru

@kagelynx 5 ай бұрын

@zagessj Usopp has observation, but he can't use it consciously. That's Lucci 2 years ago. The only way it makes sense, even with a ret-con.

@anactualsandwich5375 5 ай бұрын

Who said he wasn’t getting hurt? He pretty much passed out from pain did he not . 16 pistol thing also looks like ryou

@kagelynx 5 ай бұрын

@@anactualsandwich5375 Bro. Read the chapters.

@stoicbartender 5 ай бұрын

I personally think Crocodile is gonna surprise us when he returns and I’ve had stocks for him since he popped off in marineford. seeing my favourite Sandy and extremely intelligent mob boss being relevant also makes me have high hopes for when doffy returns to the story (because let’s be honest he will, he’s either gonna join cross guild or Blackbeard). Croc’s been my favourite villan since he was introduced in alabasta and I have no doubts that he’ll definitely be stronger than Robert hold this L. Ucci. I probably have him in my top 5 yonko commanders behind Beckman, Aokiji and Mihawk off of portrayal, narrative importance and bias but if we’re going off pure feats, I unfortunately gotta give it to Robert Hold this L. Ucci. I will say though, 1 thing they both have in common is that they are undoubtedly some of the drippiest and most stylish characters in the series

@akwesirobinson1710 5 ай бұрын

I see lucci have jinbei level because luffy low diff him zoro mid diff lucci so that means sanji high diff him jinbei extreme diff him and I think crocodile will be stronger than jinbei I know it filler but crocodile looked like he was going to pack up jinbei and Jinbei got one shotted by mihawk while crocodile stood up to him. I also think he will have a awakening logia which is overpowered that why we hold the admirals and Blackbeard so highly and crocodile 1v1 Douglas bullet when he was determined and the show is showing that he gaining his determination from back then and he will learn haki and buggy will motivate you so I see him yc1 and admiral level since he all he got other than mihawk so that place mihawk and crocodile higher and mihawk respect crocodile strength

@Memelord1117 5 ай бұрын

I'd say he's between a first commander and admiral right now. With Mr 1, he could probably take greenbull.

@SeanEvans-mx1gg 5 ай бұрын

No may he beats greenbull

@Memelord1117 5 ай бұрын

@@SeanEvans-mx1gg Actually, yeah. His fruit would be a good counter to GB's fruit.

@retrogamermax8287 5 ай бұрын

I think Crocodile at least is Doflamingo level now which could range between 3rd Division or 2nd Division Commander level. He obviously has Awakened his Sand Fruit even before Alabasta I believe as he told Luffy back then he mastered his Devil Fruit to perfection and was the first character in the story to bring up Devil Fruit Awakenings during Impel Down. Crocodile was extremely nerfed during Alabasta because he didn't use his Awakening on Luffy because he thought he didn't need too as he thought of him as your average rookie the way Big Mom was nerfed in Wano in her fight against Law and Kidd with her not using her Advanced Conqueror's Haki Coating once on them because she didn't need to use her best against rookie brats.

@obvv7714 4 ай бұрын

There is absolutely no reason to believe a highly ambitious character like crocodile that’s been free this whole time hasn’t gotten significantly stronger. I think he’s gonna be on a whole new level compared to where he was in alabasta.

@dez6870 5 ай бұрын

You can argue that Crocodile lost his edge due to him being in Alabasta for years laying low. There was no real challenge to stimulate growth or maintain power. Look at how much weaker Moria got after clashing equally with Kaido. Their respective feats is what made them Warlords in the first place.

@tonyt3197 5 ай бұрын

I got a feeling when Croc skills is showcased again he’ll be somewhere within in the range of Mihawk. Not saying he’s on Mihawks level(I’m assuming he’s in Shanks league) but will have considerable fighting impact at a Yonko level

@Naldinho456 5 ай бұрын

His barely yc1

@jextern7961 5 ай бұрын

I wonder who crocodile may fight in the future, it’d be cool to a fight with him vs sanji

@AshuraPrimetime 5 ай бұрын

Croc> he has a broken logia all he needs is good haki which he probably has trained for.

@InvisaPotion 5 ай бұрын

bro has a pretty mid logia

@cmonbruh6636 5 ай бұрын

Logia mid asl u need to be close to use it and it ain that strong when ur not in a sandy environment

@a123_epic 5 ай бұрын

@@cmonbruh6636 1 touch and lucci is dead

@cmonbruh6636 5 ай бұрын

@@a123_epic yeah sure if he could manage to get close and attack

@a123_epic 5 ай бұрын

@@cmonbruh6636 I feel this is definitely possible, Crocodile has a 1.9 billion bounty in the war he sustained minor injuries while yonko commanders like Jozu lost an entire arm

@RobinDTony 5 ай бұрын

Logia fruit users can train with their fruit to the point where their body unconsciously turns intangible to attacks. Crocodile stated that he mastered his fruit even though we didnt see him using awakening but that could be explained away by saying that he was awakened which is why it rained after Luffy beat him or that he didnt have it because Oda hadnt thought of it at that point in the story. I just thought I'd add that. I dont really disagree with what you had said though.

@Bepisipeb 5 ай бұрын

The scene where Crocodile transforms his surroundings into sand was theorised to be his awakening.

@nikjovan4816 5 ай бұрын

Lucci definitely deserves a spot among the 1st Commanders. Meanwhile the most I can give Crocodile right now is mid-tier Commander level. Like the Queen, Jinbei, Jozu, Ace, Smoothie caliber. All they way down to Doffy level. The most I can assume is that he got Armament Haki and Observation Haki and Marineford already gave him a buff through his Impel Down prison gains in physical stats. But I do agree that he is basically like the 1st Commander to Mihawk who is the Yonko caliber fighter of Crossguild. So Oda will probably bring him up to be among the 1st Commanders in strength. Because I think that's the level you need to be at to at least be effective against top tiers like the Admirals and Yonko.

@Atarion_94 5 ай бұрын

Top work as always, I definitely won't be surprised if Croc is gonna end up at least at Lucci lvl

@a123_epic 5 ай бұрын

Current Crocodile > Current Lucci

@a123_epic 5 ай бұрын

Oda literally admitted he introduced crocodile too early

@Naldinho456 5 ай бұрын

@@a123_epic doesnt chsnge much

@a123_epic 5 ай бұрын

@@Naldinho456 Crocodile slams

@Naldinho456 5 ай бұрын

@@a123_epic in being useless yh

@CP-zn2mg 5 ай бұрын

I’m full on riding the croc agenda. Bro is definitely 1st commander level rn and may keep getting stronger. Oda just needs to finally confirm he has haki now (and that buggy is a D)

@akadenanderson3283 5 ай бұрын

Great video, Rob Lucci is just that guy now. But the part where you mentioned logia Intangibility not being passive, that is weird. Because the evidence you showed was a gag moment. Because if that was actual evidence, it would literally be the only time that shows logia intangibility isn't passive. If we take that seriously, Nami punches hurting luffy or zoro should be taken seriously as well. To counter that it's not, look as zoro vs monet. She was scared for her life, she had no time to think about "turning it on".

@zagessj 5 ай бұрын

Monet is a good example. Someone could argue against it by asking to prove she was in her tangible state in that moment.

@rodthedigger2902 5 ай бұрын

Great video!

@zagessj 5 ай бұрын

🙏

@sosolawson6587 5 ай бұрын

Crocodile in alabasta had kinda given up on his dreams was mentally damaged by white beard while the one in marineford had had a new lease of life hence his strength

@Moore321 5 ай бұрын

I heard somewhere that crocodile tapped into his true power at marine ford. If crocodile was faster, he could dry up all the water out of lucci.

@SirDave 5 ай бұрын

0:04 Hunter x Hunter OST ✨👌🏾

@nicholasaugello2534 5 ай бұрын

Post Timeskip lucci Slams post Timeskip crocodile Damn i didn't know Lucci had Armament Haki pre Timeskip

@flyingpizza7486 5 ай бұрын

In your dreams.

@Naldinho456 5 ай бұрын

@@flyingpizza7486 it's reality thi

@flyingpizza7486 5 ай бұрын

@@Naldinho456 it really isn't

@Naldinho456 5 ай бұрын

@@flyingpizza7486 really is Croc is a kaku victim

@flyingpizza7486 5 ай бұрын

@@Naldinho456 I don't understand what your trying to say. I assume tour trying to tell me that kaku would beat Croc but I hope your not that retarded.

@shayoko6 7 күн бұрын

assuming were talking about pretimeskip lucci considering the start of the series up to marineford is only 3 months....how did crocodile get such an insane power increase for marineford? needing to activate logia defense only applies to new users of the power. Crocodile is experienced so luccis speed is irrelevant to bypassing that. crocodile has the advantage since all he has to do is touch lucci with his right hand. or he could use ground death. there isn't really a scenario where lucci wins without the use of water. post time skip crocodile is losing.

@davidortiz3094 4 ай бұрын

Crocodile hasn't been sitting down doing nothing. A reminder that he was holding his own against Yonko Commanders at Marineford. That was 2yrs ago.

@josiahbrown5582 5 ай бұрын

Oda writes with narrative in mind first, and fits the power scaling in after that. It’s clear that Crocodile was always meant to be significantly strong on the big stage (warlords were considered one of the great powers), but because Luffy encountered him so early in his journey, it makes him appear weaker than that. Part of the purpose of giving him feats in Marineford might even have been to correct this perception (it’s not like he could train in handcuffs). I don’t think we can neatly scale characters in this series outside of obvious distinctions like admiral or Yonko being stronger than their subordinates, etc. And that doesn’t even always work because of cases like Garp or Mihawk. And I think that’s fine; this isn’t DBZ. The story is most important, and who wins a given fight can depend on so many factors outside of a nebulous concept like power level.

@kingdraco4813 5 ай бұрын

Im really tired of the crocidle disrespect only because he lost 2 Luffy early in the manga. (I see where you come from, just disagree).

@Naldinho456 5 ай бұрын

He is asS

@SkrillRevive 5 ай бұрын

Good video 👍

@TheDockent-u3f 5 ай бұрын

I got Croc off of pure vibes

@MatthewHollow 5 ай бұрын

my gosh Crocodile is so overhyped. Lucci>Crocodile>pre timeskip Lucci

@obvv7714 4 ай бұрын

One thing people don’t talk about is that luffy has 2 pure victories against lucci. But if we’re being for real he had kind of a gimmicky win against crocodile. Obviously the lucci we’ve seen is stronger than croc but I don’t think it will be the case when we see crocodile in a real battle again.

@SirDave 5 ай бұрын

I personally see Crocodile at Admiral level now or the tier between 1st Yonko Commander-Admiral level. I think right now there are about 5 top tiers, 1st Yonko Commander, the tier between 1st Yonko Commander and Admiral level, which I think Marco occupies that tier, Admiral level, Yonko level, and EOS something like a Pirate King level. I think Yamato occupies Admiral tier.

@jikey173 5 ай бұрын

I don’t believe so. I think he may be high yc1, but yonko/admiral tier is way above that imo. I have Yamato also high yc1

@friedbacon6237 5 ай бұрын

croco is NOT on the same tier as kizaru or fuji, neither is yamato.

@eter9310 5 ай бұрын

Admirals can 1v4 yonko commanders and win. Nobody you mentioned can do that

@silverman169 5 ай бұрын

I think Yamato would be more of a commander tier than admiral tier since they weren't able to pose a threat to Ryokugyu even with the rest of the scabbards present.

@Naldinho456 5 ай бұрын

😂

@darrellfjohnson 5 ай бұрын

The uncertainty when it comes to haki pre-timeskip is what hurts this. Considering that Crocodile had clashed with Whitebeard before the series, him not having haki makes no sense. And the relation between the Rokushiki and haki is also annoyingly unclear. Jinbei’s remark during the Who’s Who fight and information released post Enies Lobby makes it seem like the Rokushiki are at least similar to haki. Maybe the very beginning of armament and observation, before the invisible armament and opening stages of observation. But if that’s the case, given what we’ve seen it seems like Luffy shouldn’t have been able to do anything against Lucci during Enies Lobby. But even with all that in mind, it does seem like Lucci is stronger than Crocodile at every stage we’ve so far. Especially post timeskip. I’d say Lucci is stronger than any Vice Admiral or lower we’ve seen in the story besides legends like Garp and Tsuyu. Crocodile so far hasn’t shown anything close to what we’ve seen from Lucci.

@DivineZenkai 5 ай бұрын

Ok moria clashed with kaido, does he have haki? If so why didn't he use it against Luffy in thriller bark

@Jordie_42 5 ай бұрын

Crocodile's power up from Alabasta to Impel Down made no sense to me.

@zagessj 5 ай бұрын

Plot amp

@savageryreally7058 4 ай бұрын

Feat wise = Rob Lucci Narrative wise = Crocodile

@jimmeh420 5 ай бұрын

Crocodile has became far stronger, it was shown that he destroyed a whole marine fleet of like 8 ships in less than a minute, as you said, his leadership, fame and wealth make him powerful and influential and honestly he could definetly give a good fight to Lucci.

@YayoHernandez-b1j 5 ай бұрын

hey zage do you think koby is going to master All 7 Rokushiki styles becoming like Lucci except even much more stronger and powerful. That's right, becoming the first Rokushiki HAKI. You sir, with no devil fruit.

@zagessj 5 ай бұрын

It’s been stated he mastered Rokushiki after the timeskip but as for the Rokuogan I’m not sure. He’ll definitely be worthy of it so I’d like if he did master it.

@dreamkiller1116 5 ай бұрын

mythical zoan are most powerful devil fruits nd logias don't have to activate intangibility its just on

@Naldinho456 5 ай бұрын

I think they have . Remember when luffy hit smoker in the back a

@evintheking9945 5 ай бұрын

Stamped showed more of time skip coco boy he clashes with zoro and lucci clashes with sanji

@SgtSourD 5 ай бұрын

I don’t think a pre time skip lucci is beating crocodile, sure the vivre card says he has haki but it was never actually shown so he wouldn’t even be able to hit him, great video though

@JT-km6th 5 ай бұрын

If it says he has haki, he has haki. Why are you the reader arguing with direct statements frm the editors/Oda?

@zagessj 5 ай бұрын

It’s flat out stated 💀

@s3r635 5 ай бұрын

Logia is passive

@zagessj 5 ай бұрын

There isn’t an undeniable example of it being passive but there’s an example of the contrary which I put on screen.

@s3r635 5 ай бұрын

@@zagessj luffy slam into the sea prism staff which smoker had on his back tho and we saw smoke and fire stall out each other so I would think smoker can touch ace without haki imo but that’s jus me

@nikjovan4816 5 ай бұрын

If pre-timeskip Lucci did basically have Armament Haki then he destroys Enel. I rest my case on that. Also Crocodile getting prison gains is so funny man😂. That's why if Doffy comes back you know Oda will do some bs and have him fight Admiral level opponents or some shit even though Dressrossa G4 was shitting on him.