Why Dialga's Origin Form is WORSE Competitively.

Why Dialga's Origin Form is WORSE Competitively.
Competitive Pokemon
Ever since the release of Pokemon Legends Arceus, Dialga, just like Kyogre and Groudon, got a new primal form called Origin Dialga. This Pokemon was an amazing addition with boosted defense stats and a increase in its stab type moves as well, adding to an already tough defensive wall in Dialga's base form. However it seems as if in the UUbers tier, origin Dialga has actually seem a sizable percentage decrease in viability compared to its base form, despite it seeming better on paper. Let me know in the comments below what you think of Dialga and its Origin Form in Competitive Pokemon.
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[@chompy_YT]

Let me know what you guys think about the editing! UUBERS Discord Link: discord.gg/xKxtfRmcvF If you're reading this, subscribe please🥺?

[@fokspoks]

Your editing is awesome

[@chompy_YT]

I didnt edit this lol but i appreciate it that u like it :)!

[@Magikarpador]

the theoretical tier below uubers is just gonna be a more balanced ou than we currently have

[@infamousmarrr]

rubers

[@i_like_chomp6382]

Ubers is usually more balanced than OU due to a higher level of defensive options that don't really have an OU equivalent, Ho-Oh, Dusk Mane, Yveltal, Eternatus, etc.

[@randomperson4137]

​@@i_like_chomp6382ubers also tends to have more of a centralizing force that brings stability to the tier

[@bluebaron6811]

Fr, I'm so sick of Kingambit and Gliscor. I run Icy Wind on my Iron Valiant, and Ice Fang on my own Gliscor, and Focus Blast on my Gholdengo; I'm so sick of all this bullsh*t.

[@maxspecs]

PUbers?

[@walaceandrade4046]

Palkia got an ofensive item to go along with his new offensive stats. Dialga got an ofensive item while still being primarily defensive in his stats.

[@poppyfrancis7338]

I think its hilarious that Origin Dialga doesn't fundamentally change the way you play Dialga, since its bulk is already so good. Palkia and Origin Palkia have different enough stats that you have to play them differently, more than just the held item lock on Origin Palkia

[@mandalorianhunter1]

It sucks because people wanted primal Dialga and we got this. It's sad that the Palkia and Dialga have fallen despite getting new forms that were supposed to make them stronger, but nope they are irrelevant. Hopefully they can do well in UUBERS

[@雪者]

Here here man.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@雪者 yeah people thought Palkia would be better but nope

[@saiyanscaris6530]

its why specific items like specs, life orb, heavy duty boots and leftovers are usually better

[@christiancinnabars1402]

@mandalorianhunter1 Palkia-Origin _is_ better than its Altered form, but being better than a mon that was more middling in usage even 4 - 5 Gens ago isn't enough. Like, Palkia-Origin probably wouldn't have been dominant even back in Gen 5. And in Gen 4, Altered _is_ apparantly really good, but I don't think Origin would jump it anywhere close to AG material.

[@minmin8580]

They could have min-maxed them to hell. Like giving them 20 Atk and relocate those points to their other stats but nope.

[@yungmuney5903]

What kills it for me is the fact that the very bleh abilities it had is the exact same. Giratina-O has levitate, that really helps it out alot and a significant boon over the altered form. Dialga just isn't that lucky, if it wants to be defensive than maybe it could've gotten Filter?

[@NoLuckJustSkill1337]

Short Answer: Because the Origin Form can't hold Leftovers and Dialga doesn't have any recovery moves.

[@ismaelkidhohn]

The last Dialga in the vifeo has the nickname of "Bom dia", that means good morning in Portuguese

[@TheMythicalMatty]

I'm honestly like one of the few people who like Origin Dialga. Forcing the crystals to be held items and not granting the buffs on their signature moves from Legend's arceus is going on the list of Gamefreak's sins.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Palkia-O would have really enjoyed the 50% crit rate Spacial Rend, but they would have had to completely overhaul Roar of Time for Dialga-O to even make use of the buff.

[@LocalHobo631]

@@christiancinnabars1402it sucks because I was just thinking they could give dialga a time related ability, skipping recharge or charge turns, letting him spam roar of time. While this might seem busted, but base 150 special attack isn’t what it used to be, and dialga is slow.

[@Dp_Unkemptharold]

@@LocalHobo631could have just give it the bloodmoon/gigaton hammer approach. 150 basepower 100 accuracy but can’t use two turns in a row. Much more viable than hyperbeam clones now but not too busted

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

@@LocalHobo631I wish that was the ability

[@雪者]

Aw man, I kinda grew on Origin Dialga too.. ☹️

[@JennJurassic]

primal dialga is also hilarious because it can get the same/better boosts from other items. SpDef: adamant crystal = 120 base spdef *VS* assault vest = 100 base spdef x1.5 (can still dragon tail for hazing, loses rocks/trick room) offenses: adamant crystal = lose 20 base attack and 20% boost to dragon/steel moves *VS* adamant orb = 20% boost to dragon/steel (also can go mixed much easier) It's outclassed by *it's own old signature item*, that's how bad it is

[@takoyakiiii]

Eventually we'll get NUBERS

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I can't wait for PUubers

[@avatarmew]

We need RUbers first!

[@Moud_M]

One day we will get ZUBERS and SZUBERS

[@gladoseon4117]

One day, we will have UBERSBERS. Oh wait, that’s Anything Goes. In that cause, how about UUBERSBERS?

[@roychaosreaper4688]

Origin Dialga is giving reference to Super Sayian Grade 3 in terms of powerup letdown.

[@chewyster3033]

Love the thumbnail, your channels quality has gotten so professional in such a short period of time, good job, I look forward to more!!

[@robertlupa8273]

You made me realise this isn't False Swipe Gaming's video. I'm gonna watch this to see how this guy fares.

[@chompy_YT]

❤️

[@SumThingFawful]

"17 years ago". You didnt have to say that...

[@Cyanidebeans]

If you are on 4 legs, you will be the better form for Dialga and Palkia

[@papajaa7387]

rip dialga, they made him uglier and worse.

[@sreenaths6829]

They are both uglier in their origin formes.

[@SilasTheHero]

his origin design isnt that bad actually if you think about it

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

Ugliness is subjective. I don’t think origin dialga’s ugly but I can see why people would say it is. I just wish the neck wasn’t like…that.

[@zacaritest]

It is ugly, regardless of the justification or references the designs make. Dialga happens to have the body that a moder would do to add a creature that is not in the base game with ridiculous proportions, and Palkia directly has the body of a donkey and... I don't even know what happened to his arms

[@manoftruth0935]

If only they gave him levitate.

[@lulugaj5859]

u am so happy for this because origin dialga is hideous.

[@Poseidon-SeaGod]

I was thinking we needed an OU 2 for all the banned pokemon that were good in only specific circumstances, and uubers helps alot!

[@sandyah.3054]

I can understand. I’m lvl 50 started in 2016, who has been casual for years and recently not wanting to play GBL, C-days anymore

[@qbking3377]

That last gameplay clip was moments before disaster. (Skymin came in and double flinched Arceus with a crit too)

[@BlackHanzo]

I love that your videos just keep getting better keep up the good work

[@chompy_YT]

❤️

[@Scrumpledump]

hisuian goodra gets life dew so it does get some form of recovery

[@chompy_YT]

talking about singles mainly

[@berylredburrow__8810]

Really wish the crystals had remained key items rather than held ones. And that dialga got a better ability

[@lordos0i388]

Palkia origin it’s very strong, very underrated

[@bigmonke3348]

How to fix origin dialga: give it a signature ability. Temporal reverse: Every three turns its out in the field this pokemon heals all damaged pokemon by 25% including itself. (basically dude reverses time) OR have the +20 stats go into spatk or defense so It can focus more on offense instead/do more body press damage

[@demonpokemon13]

I still like origin dialga as I do like to use him offensively. But you do make good points :3

[@Vision-lz4ru]

Dialga and Palika origin forms should of had a base stat total 780 each, Sinnoh remakes were done so dirty lol

[@forfuchsake2254]

Neither Dialgas stats, nor its ability nor its signature move fit its lore. Dialga is supposed to be the god of time but it's speed stat is so mediocre and its signature move even hinders it from doing anything for an entire turn. Who the heck designed this mon?

[@WellToastedBagel]

Origin Dialga's special bulk increase isn't as large as you'd think, from what I can discern from the brief calcs I did Origin Dialga the bulk increase does let Dialga-O live hits its base form can't. But its by such a slim margin in the Ubers environment you really only get one more free turn out of it before it gets revenge killed by the Pantheon of Uber threats that Dialga is forced to compete with.

[@bumbyonline]

fairy is listed at 1:19 as one of dialga’s resistances by mistake, it should be a neutrality

[@cestariviere]

The way you come here and serve those amazing scripts, data, edition and thumbnails :') 💫 glad to have information 'bout the UUbers¡!!!

[@chompy_YT]

❤️

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

“Dialga and Palkia got *Primal*-esqe forms” => are called *Origin* Forms Giratina, since Platinum:

[@carto4028]

Dialga is my favorite Pokemon so I'm glad this new abomination of a form didn't beat the OG one. Respect if you like it but it's just so...goofy looking.

[@AJWEXIST47]

…did you just say that dialga debuted 17 years ago? Fuck…

[@drunkidiot8364]

Taking into account that Dialga is the Dragon of Time, I'd say it aged very well

[@kunik61]

Because base Dialga-sama is already a perfection.

[@Nightmare_52]

the problem with origin dialga is i cant stand to look at it

[@GhostbusterPalu]

I love the edition to this video, but I can't help but get distracted by all those Smash Ultimate SFX 😂

[@chompy_YT]

😂

[@alessandrocerilli2368]

Holy shit i'm featured in the video

[@creeperEXplode42069]

I specifically waited for the subscribe segment to sub.🎉

[@chompy_YT]

❤️

[@grrgrrgrr0202]

I feel that Dialga-O should've gotten 120 base speed as well (and 90 base Sdef). But to be honest, I am actually cool with Dialga-O failing to be relevant. If they wanna buff Dialga, they should buff the altered form directly instead of giving him a new form.

[@tysondennis1016]

There needs to be an official UUbers tier.

[@RaidSpinel]

I don't think it's fair to complain, since there's no real incentive to specify, but damn do I click on a lot of Smogon singles videos when I'm only interested in VGC. KZbin is not great at differentiating the two, since both just use "Competitive Pokemon" usually. I'm complaining but for no reason in particular I guess. Good video from what I saw though.

[@burningfiregames6015]

W chompy upload

[@chompy_YT]

❤️

[@dongaldwilliams8071]

Just wait until NUbers drops...

[@sharky2404]

how do u make a 7 min video out of basically saying it cant hold leftovers?

[@OnlyNeedJuan]

I really feel like GF has 0 comprehension of what makes a fun or good pokemon, except in the very extremes. They know what makes a godawful pokemon and they know what makes a stupdenously broken pokemon. Anything inbetween is just pure guesswork. Palkia: gets alternate form that increases its offensive prowess by boosting its speed, complemented by boosts to its powerful stab moves. Dialga: gets alternate form that increases its defensive prowess by boosting sp.def, which directly clashes with the item that boosts its powerful stab moves, which regular Dialga could already do in a way, so you get at BEST a sidegrade that lacks flexibility because they're stuck with a specific item. Not just competitively, but even in casual play it's hard to recommend changing your Dialga into Origin form. They either needed to put that attack into its special attack so it could become a better wallbreaker, or given the item a defensive boost instead of an offensive one. But GF is obsessed with making box legends mirror images of eachother in terms of stats, which often results in lopsided balance. They also refused to do anything interesting with the abilities for either mon. Dialga could've done well, anything really. Levitate would've been really good but im sure they could've thought of something else too. Perhaps we will see them get an update in the future, just like a lot of the other older legendary pokemon that are stuck with stuff like Pressure or another bad alternative (Mewtwo, my beloved, so sad that the ultimate life form is now not even competing amongst its legendary brethren anymore). Koraidon vs Miraidon, Electric terrain is obviously much better for Miraidon than sun is for Koraidon, perhaps if they had given Koraidon's signature move an additional boost in the sun to compete with the damage boost electric moves get it would be better. It already has to deal with burn and intimidate, so attack is already harder to get going consistently, and then they just give it worse moves too. Miraidon has fewer challenges like that and its move is just stronger, stupid really. Same thing happened with Zacian and Zamezanta, GFs obsession with giving these mons identical feeling stat distributions means a pokemon will just get less efficient because they refuse to give it higher base stats to offset how much better the offense of the other mon is.

[@AI-ko3jq]

Do you think fuecoco would approve this video?

[@chompy_YT]

Ofc :)!

[@DragonKnight90001]

Look at how they massacred my boy!

[@lukijez]

Why the FUCK is it bleeding from its eyes tho

[@energyzer_bunny1913]

Which theme is played at 4:30?

[@robbierotten2024]

So the legendary space time trio aren’t viable in normal Ubers….? I hate this generation, everything cool both got a fat baseball bat to the knee while also being immediately replaced by something similar but significantly better in a super hostile environment.

[@saiyaddanapudi9216]

They haven’t been viable since at least gen 7.

[@Eros1078]

The origin formes are cooler tbh

[@MewtwoPrime84]

They're actually viable in Ubers but Reshiram and Zekrom aren't

[@wintereclipse3263]

Tbh what I wanna know is why the origin items in SV for the three Legendaries removed vital information which is that they grant the +20% bonus to dragon and their specific type like the none transformation items. Like it won't help the origin forms much as they suffer from many issues but if you want to use them for fun unless you know the items do grant the 20% buff you won't know that and it'll just make it look way worse than it is.

[@mectainea5575]

I would even question why they even made these redundant items to begin with and gutting the griseous orbs original form change effect when the adamant and lustrous orb has been a thing since og DP. all that does is add pointless bloat to the item pool and there's already enough bloat as is.

[@BananaR777]

3 Reasons -worse design -doesnt change playstyle for better. -more defense without reliable recover can tank but not as much with healing.

[@Xros808]

Bruh we gotta get the likes up bros this is crazy.

[@mjm3091]

I think you are being harsh - you try yourself fight competitively, when chocking.

[@rotem6033]

Like, it's still a good held item for offensive sets. ×1.2 damage on two of your stabs is good and the extra +20 spdf is cool I guess Leftovers are better most of the time though, but it IS and option

[@shubhamgupta-fs3ml]

The item is definitely good but it's just if you want an offensive mon then there are better options.

[@ryanhickson6399]

Can we please just all forget these legends arceus legends. They are all abominations in their own right. Origin diagla is ok but palkia and enamorous need to go

[@boryontotheleader2328]

Base form looks better anyway

[@floatingf8783]

Skip Chompy whining 3:53

[@GrimHC]

Not in hackmons it ain’t :)

[@playerlgamer0592]

Look your content is good, but ffs its Ar-Key-us not Arseus

[@jerrytaylor4036]

Bro, I love your content but you’ve got to hire like a script, writer, or script editor. I’m just saying that, using the same phrases and descriptive words over and over kind of wears thin, and if you could get another person to help you write the script, or at least bounce opinions off of, I think you could create even better content.

[@chompy_YT]

Appreciate the comment and thanks for feedback will take it into account!

[@mateohuf3811]

Uubers is a joke tbh

[@revearain7692]

Dialga and palkia look like trash lazy designs.

[@Zenith8896]

I wouldn't even care if Dialga Origin Form was good......that mon is straight up ugly.

[@dhruvnimmagadda9181]

I am starting the new Pokemon game this Saturday, and I was wondering what starter to choose. Mr. Chompy, what do you recommend? I really love dinosaurs btw

[@ander0id]

"competitively" "singles" lol

[@TaLeng2023]

The creation trio's cores should have just been key items. This might require the basic and primal forms to have more significant differences.

[@mectainea5575]

Ultimately the thing that really sucked for origin dialga and even palkia is the fact that they are stuck with the same abilities as their base forms (which aren't that great to begin with since they existed at a time when gamefreak just gave almost every legendary pressure) whereas origin form Giratina got a different abilities. Even giving them all levitate might have actually been something. As for dialga, it probably would have been neat if the origin form leaned more into being a defensive trick room abuser as an inverse of palkia being a fast offensive threat by cutting its speed further by 30 points and put it into its defences. that in combination of levitate eliminating its ground weakness could help it somewhat where the form has a trade off for greater endurance and be even better in trick room (which would thematically make sense for it being the ruler of time and bending the environment to ensure its faster). Yes it probably wont help as much because of lack of recovery but at least the form has a more defined use case vs its current form being an objectively worse version of its base form.

[@haridojamaru829]

How does he not have a healing move bests rest

[@haridojamaru829]

Besides

[@matteodotdpsatgmaildotcom2451]

I swear to christ these pokemon "upgrades" remind me of those prehistoric monsters with shitty summoning conditions in yu gi oh… like why would you want a gate guardian when you can have all three genies on the field? Remember elemental hero neo-bubbleman? This is how dialga origin feels

[@Moud_M]

More like those high level monsters that can be normal summoned without tributes but their fucking attack gets cut in half so you end up wasting your normal summon if you brick.