Why Did Christ Have to Die?

Dr. Craig gives a virtual lecture on the necessity of Christ's atoning death.
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[@ho8464]

Dr. Craig explains everything so sharply… it all makes even more sense than it did before

[@criticalapologetics1378]

Wonderful explanation, I hope I get to put this information to use in the lives of others.

[@soubhikmukherjee6871]

Love everybody ❤

[@edwardkhoury]

Dear Dr. Craig, We Thank the Holy Spirit for the good explanation that He puts in your mouth. We ask you kindly if we can use this video and post it in our KZbin channel with Arabic translation so the Arabic speaking people can benefit from this great study?

[@dafnecastillo1294]

Jesus is so magnificent, I'm in love with Him 😍❤💟

[@nightoftheworld]

WLC should consider buzzing his head-it would be a powerful look I think

[@imabeast7397]

Is it possible it was necessary to die unjustly bc Jesus was tempted in all ways but unjustly death, and beat all temptations so that we can also beat them? Therefore at judgement we are 'without excuse'

[@d.d.9472]

I dont understand how our salvation cost God anything. What did God lose by the death of His Son, that He did not have after Jesus's resurrection?

[@collin501]

People often pay a high cost for what they gain back later. I guess even when I go to work for a day and expend energy, my body recovers itself through rest, and so what did it cost me? It cost the work I expended, and that's why I'm due payment in return because I gave something valuable through work. Yes, God didn't necessarily lose time, but it did cost a painful experience, for both the Son of God in His suffering, and the Father in giving His Son over to suffer. You would choose an enjoyable experience for nothing, but you wouldn't choose to go through a painful experience for nothing if everything was returned to you exactly as before, because it costs you something.

[@mkurosh]

PhD. Systematic Theology. If God is capable of forgiving a single sin, what is Jesus doing on the cross? The hard fact is that God cannot forgive sins. Those who disagree; never really understood what Jesus did for us. Follows biblically that they are not saved.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

Great video and commentary by Dr. Craig. However the more I listen to ideas about God's Divine Counsel and the Sons Of God in the heavenly realm I have to stop and wonder if there is a cosmic drama taking place where we are not simply the only primary focus of interest. After listening to Dr. Michael Heiser's work on the Unseen Realm, Gods Divine Heavenly Council and Angels and Demons, I'm forced into thinking that we mortal humans seem to always think exclusively and narrowly about Gods relationship with us in a singular and one dimensional perspective. While it's true the Lord loves us eternally, it is also true that he has a heavenly family of, at the very least, his loyal and loving angels that he also loves, and that we will soon be a part of his wider heavenly family as well. Thus God's choosing to redeem his children and offer them a place in his heavenly abode and with him and his family might best be justified, accomplished and executed in one manner over another. Especially since the accuser stands ready to constantly sow chaos and destruction. Anyway as always Dr. Craig delivers sound commentary and analysis. Thanks!

[@coffeetalk924]

I recommend the WIlliam Lane Craig vs Sean Carroll debate.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

@@coffeetalk924 I watched it. It was very good! But thanks anyway👍

[@gorankovac-fg5bw]

Can God's wisdom, concerning atonement and redemption, be explained with HUMAN reasoning?

[@ReasonableFaithOrg]

Are you under the impression that God has a different set of logical rules by which to reason? If so, what's the use in him saying "Come now, and let us reason together?" - RF Admin

[@gorankovac-fg5bw]

@@ReasonableFaithOrg My impression is that one has to be open to paradox. "Open your harts not your mind" because "empty are minds of men" or " My ways are not your ways" and so on. If God's infinite justice must be satisfied either way (I think so), what is true meanig of repentance and forgivness. Aquinas understood this very well at the end of his life when hr said that all human minds in the world cannnot explain essence of one single fly

[@gorankovac-fg5bw]

And another example, paradox of saint Dismus. I think that God's infinite Mercy towers upon His infinite justice by far.

[@gorankovac-fg5bw]

Please forgive my bad english😟

[@dotails]

I think Jesus represents God using our cultural language of sacrifice to communicate His love. It's not needed for God to forgive, its needed for us to believe his love and trust him enough for transformation to be possible. God loves us and forgives naturally all our sins instantly. Death isn't justice, rather undoing wrong effects is justice which will be done in the end.

[@rossd6809]

the non-neccesarian argument is a meaningless argument. the counterfactual never happened and it tries to determine the mind of God.

[@edgarmorales4476]

Jesus knew he was one of the Father’s gift of salvation to the people - to the world - NOT - as the Jews supposed and taught down the centuries - salvation from the punishment meted out by the wrath of God - BUT - to save us from the daily repetition of the same mistakes in wrong thinking - wrong thinking which created our misfortunes, poverty, sickness and misery. ​But because Jesus Loved the human race so deeply, he was prepared to teach and heal in defiance of the Jewish Priests. Jesus was prepared to die on the cross for what he had truly "seen" in the desert, knew with all his heart, and wanted to share to the last drop of his ability to do so. THIS IS THE TRUTH BEHIND JESUS' CRUCIFIXION AND ALL THE REST WE'VE HEARD IS MAN-MADE CONJECTURE ARISING OUT OF THE JEWISH PRACTICE OF BURNT OFFERINGS IN THE TEMPLE. Jesus was a gift from the Father to humankind to help us surmount our ignorance of the Laws of Existence, and find the true Path of Life leading to the joy, abundance and perfect wholeness of the Kingdom of Heaven. These were the perceptions, the desires, the intentions and goals and the thoughts which Jesus bore within his mind and heart. This was the earthly mental-emotional framework clothing Jesus' spiritual consciousness hidden within the head and figure of him. www.thechristletters.weebly.com

[@danwood3000]

I gratefully accept the atonement by Jesus if it's true, but I have no "faith" that it's true because I think it's reckless to believe on faith anything so bizarre with minimal evidence. Also, the arbitrary substitution of 1 reversible death for 2 to billions of death sentences (Eve, Adam, Christians, some others) doesn't strike me as fair. Multiple lifetimes and atoning for one's own sins seems like what a perfectly just and benevolent Creator would design, along with environmental programming to eventually set everyone on the correct path.

[@collin501]

If I understand your point correctly, you're saying that if being sinners is 100% the fault of each person, then it would make more sense to believe that God would have each person atone for their own sins? But what if people are born weak in a sinful world where there was no way they could make it through life without becoming sinners? That would make it not their fault(although degree to which they sinned may be their fault). Is this not an accurate description of things? And if God allowed them into this terrible situation, then it would be right and just that He would bring them out by His own doing. On the evidence part, I've found quite a bit. The fact that the Jews and Romans killed Jesus on such a holy day as the passover seems to me absurdly improbable in and of itself. Many of the people at the time, who were close up to the facts, ended up converting, and would have concurred with the fact that Jesus was killed on the passover. That is one of many things that seems highly improbable.

[@danwood3000]

@@collin501 "if God allowed them into this terrible situation, then it would be right and just that He would bring them out by His own doing" Yes, but possibly the significance of Jesus was amplifying love in the world rather than atonement on behalf of others. Maybe mainstream Christianity is mistaken. When we die perhaps we could immediately wake up in another universe, similar to this one, with all our memories and peak emotional and intellectual capabilities. Through multiple lifetimes, each in a new universe, everyone could eventually atone, getting better and better each time. Grace still plays a role in my idea: God only designed the life forms and environments that would interact in such a way as to eventually lead to universal bliss and atonement. The interactions predestine the at-one-ment. Constant bliss (combined with compassionate action) for days or even years leading up to the moment of death would be evidence of being at-one. In my idea, very few people are at-one by the time of death in this universe, but perhaps our progress is saved and loaded into the next universe. There is still an urgency for atonement because the longer a person is not at-one, the longer they suffer. I seek atonement through meditation and compassionate action, but would gladly accept a shortcut from Jesus if I deemed it probable instead of bizarre and arbitrary. Through meditation and compassionate action a person can reach a point where they perceive the past has no further bearing on them spiritually: a complete purging of resentments and other flaws. I'm not there yet. In some ways it's similar to the idea that faith in Jesus can wash away your past sins.

[@collin501]

@@danwood3000 Just curious. Do you see certain phenomena that tells you reincarnation is true or is it more of a trying to make sense out of the world logically that takes you to that?

[@danwood3000]

@@collin501 Reincarnation and resurrection, to me, are mostly just answers to the question, "Could there possibly be a good God?" Everyone continuing to progress, after death, towards perfection is another part of the equation. Some people, especially children, claim to have past life memories; maybe they do, but the reincarnation/resurrection less talked about is the possibility of just waking up as an adult in another imperfect universe, giving you another chance to work towards perfection.

[@furament]

he didnt......

[@quincyamabile8448]

10:45

[@pierretardy7544]

Very interesting 62b How did Satan Kill Jesus' Body ? - KZbin

[@alsbackyardscuba2703]

I am a necessarian but also see one "unnecessary" reason that God the Father planned and allowed the death of Jesus, God the Son. God the Father also wanted to manifest the full extent of mankind's profound HATRED of Him. Beings like humans who are exclusively created in God's image have, within themselves, a deep but real desire to BE God. When God the Father condescended to become human in God the Son (Jesus), He made himself vulnerable to God's image-bearers, and these image-bearers took advantage of God's self-humbling, and horribly tortured and killed the God-Man. The APEX of mankind's deep hatred of God was clearly manifested at the Crucifixion of Jesus. The Crucifixion of Christ showed God's hatred of sin and evil, making it a necessary condition for human salvation, but it also revealed mankind's hatred of God. This wasn't necessary, but was very eye-opening if we are to more fully understand why Jesus allowed Himself to suffer at the hands of humans.

[@coffeetalk924]

Nonsense

[@pierretardy7544]

Great video ! 62 Who Killed Jesus' Body ? - KZbin

[@johnelliott5859]

So, a god who created good and evil and caused the environment that sin began in, requires a blood sacrifice to satisfy divine justice. And not just any blood sacrifice but the death of his own son. You would think that a perfect god could come up with a better plan. Killing my own child would never be something I was willing to do. So, god creates the sin and the remedy. Something just isn't making sense.

[@johnelliott5859]

@Karosnikov it certainly appears that we have a free choice. However, if god is all knowing as claimed then he knows the decisions that will occur. So, really there is no free choice. There is an "elect" already predetermined by god and the rest will suffer eternal torment because someone ate the wrong fruit. Doesn't that sound off to you? And even though I am simplifying it, I am not miss stating anything.

[@johnelliott5859]

@Karosnikov is god all knowing or not?

[@johnelliott5859]

@Karosnikov did god know Eve would take the fruit?

[@johnelliott5859]

@Karosnikov since the theology makes little sense to me; and since the character of the god described in the bible is often amoral (genocide, slavery misogyny), I have no reason to believe in a heaven or hell. Let alone the complete lack of evidence of the existence of either.

[@johnelliott5859]

@Karosnikov and yet no matter what happens, whether it is a good thing like meeting your future wife or a bad thing like the death of a child, christians will claim that it was god's will or part of god's plan. That doesn't jibe with free will. It sounds like god "conspired" to make events occur so his plans would come to pass. Does that sound right to you? You seem to believe in free will, but your theology doesn't.

[@furament]

"god" can not be man/ man can not be god/but god's always been a man/ man alone = can not please god= the trinity, = famly = man woman child... not just some bum,in a dirty shirt.....re lot/jobe/malacigh,name it.........im the end it all falls back to adam and eve....... as always