Why Did Emperor LETO ATREIDES Turn Himself Into WORM? True Reason! (DUNE)

[@MsEggbird]

his girlfriend asked "would you love me if i was a worm" and he took it literally.

[@victoriousf.i.g.3311]

"I gotchu, gurl"

[@d4v0r_x]

the question is not specific enough. what kind of worm? there is quite a difference between a disgusting poop maggot and the magnifficent spice/sand worm of arrakis

[@CerroneSamuel]

Too funny 😂

[@nerobaal6655]

I’m starting to think this was a prophecy

[@richardrickford3028]

@@nerobaal6655 I knew you were going to say that.

[@darkzak47]

I’m guessing Frank Herbert uttered “this is some really good s**t” multiple times while writing the Dune Novels

[@SvenTviking]

He lost it after the first novel. It all went totally crap.

[@xonian916]

@@SvenTvikingYour opinion, and a horrible one at that

[@thejamnasium6447]

and while peaking on the mushrooms he was on while writing them

[@bjornstahle4652]

@@thejamnasium6447 the "spice".

[@davidagbelusi3011]

You’re probably right. He was probably smoking a lot of his own secret “spice”. Ive read all these books and I just never saw the appeal. I suppose if you’re the kind of person who wants to invent your own religion (or disparage faith altogether) this series of science fiction novels is as good a justification as anything.

[@sparkeyjames]

Leto had future visions in which he saw that one of the powers namely the planets of IX would create intelligent machines with prescient vision that would search out and eliminate ALL of humanity. In order to combat this he needed to breed humans that could be invisible to these machines that used prescient vision to find them. He knew that it would take him at least 3000 years to do so. So he needed to be able to live 3000 years and the only way to do so was to fuse himself into a dune worm body. Once in this body he played a long range game keeping the other powers of IX, The Bene Gesserit, The Bene Tleilax and the Spacing Guild restricted and on a tight leash. Then once Siona was conceived he knew (because he could not see her in his prescient vision) he had done so and it nullified IX's ability to end humanity. All of Siona's descendents were also unseeable to prescient vision. He also knew that a diaspora (called the great scattering in the books) would happen as soon as he died ensuring that humans would be in so many places that it would be virtually impossible to find them all. As an addendum to this Leto kept IX around instead of destroying them to allow them to produce the limited prescient NO Ships (in other SCI-FI these would be considered Stealth Ships*) so he could eliminate the spacing guild in its entirety. * Since Stealth had not yet been a term used in sci-fi up to that time Herbert used the term NO ships and NO rooms to describe a room or area that was not visible by the dune universes normal means (vision, radar, prescient vision etc).

[@dorbie]

NO Ships are invisible to prescient vision, so not merely stealthy.

[@sparkeyjames]

@@dorbie I did mention that all the way down at the bottom of my comment.

[@Jinkypigs]

Most likely a more complete explanation than this video.

[@pixpusha]

@@Jinkypigs Yes in deed.

[@pixpusha]

Thank you for your service my good friend. Saved me 10 minutes

[@ChefSpinney]

You missed the point about the transformation of Arrakis from Dune, the desert planet, to a lush, green world that brought the sand worms to extinction, aside from himself. A major factor in his transformation was to preserve the sand worms in his own flesh so they could be reborn with his death, repopulate Arrakis and return it to a desert planet where Spice could once again be harvested. There was also the aspect that, once he died and the sand worms were reborn, those worms would each hold a "pearl of his awareness" that would be essential when the Honored Matres returned from the Scattering and eventually glassed Dune wiping out the sand worms again, aside from the one saved by Sheanna, recognized by said "pearls", and brought to the Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse world to start the cycle anew there and eventually be spread to countless worlds. Then again, most folks who read the novels never get past the first, let alone God Emperor and almost never Heretics or Chapterhouse. Frankly I still need to get to the novels that his son, Brian, wrote based on his fathers notes to close out the originally intended series. I read a few of Brian's other Dune novels, though, and while they're well written, they lack the deep, intuitive insight that Frank had. Then again, that would be like expecting Leonardo Di Vinci's son (if he had one) to paint another Mona Lisa. There are some things you just can't teach or inherit.

[@Itachi52496]

I also find it incredibly charming that his relationship with Hwi was the only thing technically "unforseen" by him (barring "no rooms"), but her existence in of itself was like a disturbed puddle of water to him. But she in of herself was the exact catalyst to his death in the time it needed to happen, and where it needed to happen, and that of all things he did not plan in the detail he did all other things.

[@chrissmith7669]

He turned himself into a worm because by that point Herbert could afford the best Coke & Mezcal with a worm floating in the bottom of the glass.

[@dorbie]

You missed a key reason for him taking on worm form and it's tied to one other thing you misstate. Leto II could have been killed by other means but he had to die near water so that his sand trout infused with his own genetic memory could restart the worm life cycle. This was an important part of his golden path and the preservation of spice production after the destruction of Dune which he foresaw.

[@jacejan3128]

He himself became the only source of the spice during his 3000 year reign. All the sandworms died because the planet had been transformed into a wet world with plants and surface water. When Leto died his body became sandtrouts and they turned the planet back to a desert.

[@sparkeyjames]

Actually the reintroduction of Spice after his death really only benefits the Bene Gesserit. Although it does allow a good size portion of humanity to have extended life spans typically 30 to 40 years to those that can afford the spice.

[@cjordn]

​@@sparkeyjames Didn't they need spice to navigate space or did that change?

[@mitchellbrough1615]

​@cjordn that's one of the things leto was trying to/did change

[@englishprofessional9027]

Are you saying spice extends your life by 40 years? ​@@sparkeyjames

[@sparkeyjames]

@@englishprofessional9027 Yes. But it came with a downside. Stop taking it and you die. The books did not give an exact number but in the books it is intimated that people on spice were regularly living into their early 100's. Given the regular average human lifespan is 76 or so years old that's 30-40 years of additional lifespan.

[@tommo101able]

you forgot to state that the Sandworms were dyeing, because the Atreides had joined with the Fremen they had started greening the planet which was deadly to the Sandworms

[@martingilbert74]

It's been a while. I thought they greened the planet save a small/massive area for Leto II to live. And his final sacrifice created a new set of larvae, with some of his genetic memory. To restart the cycle of turning the planet to desert

[@Ritzourne]

By transforming into a sand worm and being the last sand worm, Leto II becomes Dune. All of Dune’s arid ecosystem, all of these spiritual abilities and technologies induced by spice only exist on Dune. Leto II takes the burden of mankind, becomes transcendent and ends a cycle to restart another one. Leto’s mission does not end at his death but at the very last pages of the last book Chapterhouse Dune. It is pretty interesting to see how the author chose to associate survival in a hostile environment and the continuity of mankind, even in a super advanced technological environment.

[@ThePianistONE]

Without spice woudnt they need to create thinking machines to space travel again? Or did they found a different way in the 3500years?

[@VoiceofReason79]

he is a desert creature.... this sentiment from his mothers side fremen genetic memory is what made it possible for him to accept. Paul could have, he saw that path, but would not sacrifice his humanity.

[@patginni5229]

Lato became the worm because part of the golden path required destruction of the spice cycle. In becoming the worm he maintained a way to renew the spice cycle after the true worms were gone. I wish people would just let the book explain itself instead of trying to make up bunk reasons for things explained in the story.

[@milesteg8183]

Leto II gets a lot of unnecessary grief from people that think this is about good vs evil. Is Leto II actually the bad guy? Etc. Leto II primary reason for existing as long as he did was to ensure humanity’s survival. Nothing else mattered. Entire planetary systems destroyed? Of no consequence. Trillions of deaths? Inconsequential. Humanity survives no matter the cost. That is the golden path.

[@xonian916]

Precisely, to apply such black and white titles like Villain or Hero demeans the whole buildup up his character as one whose almost omnipotent levels of prescience allows him to commit actions with an almost certain outcome of good

[@thisguy6525]

He needed the power of the sand worm so his hair would fall out so he could look more like Charles Xavier. This is how James MacAvoy invented the telephone and the internet.

[@Loonypapa]

Answer: Herbert's consumption of psilocybin.

[@Jr-md8fg]

it wasnt alia alone who used the forbidden aging halt. Jessica noted when she returned to arakis that alia and IRULAN both had not aged. IRULAN did it too. also leto ii was not invulnerable to any weapon. he was entirely vulnerable to lazers and he had a flipper-foot taken off by one and would have died except he foresaw the attack. this video has many errors also says things that were never in the books. i think the video was made by AI.

[@alexiachimciuc3199]

Impossible. Irulan wasn't a full sister. Shen never transformed holly water.

[@Jr-md8fg]

only reverend mothers transmuted the water of life. sisters were all strata. Jessica looks in the mirror to see her wrinkles and thinks about their law. she rturns to dune and alia and iruelen hadent aged in 10 years and Jessica is incensed.​@alexiachimciuc3199

[@morgumal]

You are mistaken. There are many Benegesserit sisters who did not drink the Water of life like Jessica at the beggining on the series and Margo Fenring. The Water of life is given to the sisters who have the potential of becoming a Reverand Mother and when they succeed they have access to the memories of their ancestors. That has nothing to do with perventing themselves from aging like Irulan and Alia. There are many techiques which can be used even by the least skillfull Benegesserit, they are not reserved just for Reverand Mothers.

[@ChefSpinney]

@@morgumal No, they're right on that. It was the heightened sense of awareness required to transform the spice essence during The Agony and that experience honed the Reverend Mothers ability to the point where they could break down poisons in their system and control their metabolism to where they could prevent aging, etc. Frank clarifies that in Heretics and Chapterhouse. Without enduring The Agony many of their more profound abilities were inaccessible, hence their reliance on Spice. Yes, their Prana-Bindu techniques were formidable and skills like Voice were pretty basic, but all that was just training to be able to take the final step to become full Reverend Mothers and reach their true potential as Humans. Without The Agony they were just a cult of female Yogis.

[@bradleybuyer5541]

Good video! What show were these clips taken from?

[@HappyCamper84]

Forced into a horrible choice because of his coward father. The supossed hero Paul. I love this whole saga. The Butlarian jihad and the machine crusade created some amazing characters. Vorian, Gilbertuss, and many, many more.

[@ilovelimpfries]

I'm pretty sure frank was high as a kite when he wrote that.

[@Operator214PMCVTUBER]

plotwise - leto maybe a dictator and oppressive ., but with meaning and ultimate goal for the better good of all humanity - he wasnt comically evil because "hes basically just a bad guy" - he has good motives that can be only achived by being a bad guy 🤔

[@domspern]

Unfortunately, that is the logic most authoritarian and totalitarian leaders use to convince themselves of their righteousness.

[@redrum3405]

Most authoritarians aren’t supernaturally gifted and able to see the future. He sees that mankind is destroyed in almost every future, often by thinking machines. He’s John Conner essentially and he hardens mankind to survive the future and compels them to spread across the universe to put the eggs in more baskets.

[@xonian916]

@@domspernDo most leaders have an almost omnipotent sense of prescience? Lmao

[@SliceofLife7777]

Just read the book.

[@n2b998]

Great discussion. Thank you…

[@Twoshoestrings]

Man where was this video 2 years ago when i couldnt find the answer to this one question and thus had to read all of the dune books to figure it out myself

[@AlexUsername]

- Did you try being... Not a worm, Leto? - NO! THIS IS WHO I AM, DAD!

[@TiberiusMaximus]

where did this movie come from?

[@storm02s]

I don’t think the narrator has actually read the novels! These “explanations “ are too simplistic. Just read the books and you don’t have to listen to this drivel.

[@koroba01]

…correct, as an example the book never mentions that Leto “tricked” the sand trout that he was a water reservoir.

[@satchelsatchel]

The ideas in this video are AI generated. Thus, it errs.

[@351cleavland]

Each time you said "leto" I just imagined you were speaking of famous Joker actor Jared Leto.

[@Loreweavver]

I'm still saying that with the casting so far there should be a Skarsgard playing Leto

[@chrisleblanc581]

Brain ruined the world his father built.

[@satchelsatchel]

You speak the truth.

[@JerranceB]

​@@satchelsatchelhe does not speak facts

[@growshack9067]

Where do you guys know all this from?? Sorry im new to DUNE but very much love it so far! where can learn all this ??? Thanks

[@darast.angelo261]

where was this ?i never saw this in dune movie .. was this the book? when was james mcavoy in the movie?

[@daneo617]

I'm a huge fan of the newer Dune movies & TV series, how come in Dune 1, Baron Harkening was a worm like creature.

[@T2MARA]

He wasn’t a worm-like creature. Watch again. That was his clothing trailing underneath him when he elevated his body. But it might have been an intential visual representation by the filmmakers to show what would eventually happen because of one of his Descendants,

[@daneo617]

@T2MARA I've watched 20xs, so how did he elevate his body, (20 feet of clothing) and what was the long thing in the clear case after he was poisoned by the Duke & why was he found on the ceiling after?

[@brokerhenry]

Leto transformed into a worm in order to turn Rakis back into Dune and bring back the sand worms. When he fell into the river after the bridge was destroyed, the sand trouts isolated the water and desertification began.

[@Lord_Ralph]

No mention of his conscience into the sand trout resulting from death at the end of God Emperor? No mention of Sheeana? The most important bits of His long plan? -1

[@xonian916]

Pretty sure the video is AI

[@청솔향-g9u]

The most important reason Leto had to become a WORM is the Golden Path. The main idea of ​​the Golden Path is that when the power that had been sufficiently suppressed bursts out, humanity, which had fallen into self-destruction due to the stagnation of the feudal system, gains enough momentum to spread and leap forward once again. And only when humanity escapes the eyes of the tyrant who sees the past and the future, will humanity have a chance to survive with true dignity. However, the lesson of the Butlerian Jihad, that is, the existence of spice that allows humanity to travel at superluminal speeds due to the dogma of human religion, which excludes thinking machines, has always brought about the advent of the Guild Navigator and the power to see the future called Quisatz Haderlock. That is why Leto II inserted his own mind, Quisatz Haderlock, into WORM as a variable so that humanity would not be able to see the future no matter how much spice they inhaled. So when he finally died from the water, the sandworm shell that made up Leto II's body scattered like a blast, turning him into a sand trout and starting a new cycle as a sandworm with Leto's factor. And after all the sandworms scattered, Leto II's human body was revealed, but it had been transformed for a long time, and it had become a hideous body with thin stick-like limbs and holes from the sandworm's ganglia. In other words, Leto's body did not disappear, but he was trapped in the sandworm for a long time, unable to eat or drink anything except the liquid provided by the sandworm! This was the peak of the tragedy, and the isolation that Leto had to endure for over 3,000 years. And when he died, his mind was completely trapped in the sandworm. This was eternal life and eternal punishment.

[@satchelsatchel]

The Butlerian Jihad took place thousands of years before mankind discovered spice.

[@scottchristofersen2367]

My “paul was not a hero and Herbert was upset people didn’t get that” well meaning fanboys: no you don’t understand he was the savior of man kind and led us down the golden path

[@uncletrashero]

Letos books are the best in the series. Pauls books are just the prologue. and everything after leto was pretty boring. also im really sad they gave Duncan to Jason Momoa. now we gotta watch that guy for the rest of the series. gonna be like 20 movies :(

[@Lord_Ralph]

Duncan died way more than 20 times, though... 🤣

[@uncletrashero]

@@Lord_Ralph its not like i hate Momoa but i dunno i just hoped Duncan would be a more interesting pick

[@RealPeanuts]

​@@uncletrasheroyeah Someone younger and not as tall.

[@hakhaimo]

He basically became Jabba the Hutt..

[@Louylou187]

whats the video from

[@paullmight42]

What is the James Mcavoy footage from???

[@jay3398]

Children of Dune

[@anubis243-x5h]

Tl:Dr-He could see the future and knew he had to in order to prevent the end of humanity. There’s a bunch of smaller reasons but they all add up to that.

[@faketheo3432]

because you can't save humanity by turning yourself into a pickle

[@stephenbailey9969]

Did Leto actually see a future that needed a long tyranny? Or was it his lust for power lying to him?

[@RealPeanuts]

No man its not about power. He did this unwilling. He became a worm unwilling too only because he saw the golden path. He even died knowing he would be attacked but let it happen . People take abstract meaning from Dune but story clearly talks about prescience and inevitable destruction of humanity and tyranny and it was author who made the world wrong not the characters necessarily.

[@leewe2015]

What is this movie ?

[@steffeno.7381]

it s the last book of Frank Herbert, the Godemperor of Dune Book 8 afaik

[@steffeno.7381]

or the series is called children of dune round 2000-2002

[@megatronjenkins2473]

It's pronounced Bene JESS-erit, not GUESS-erit, do you even Dune, bro?!?

[@gargoyles9999]

I GUESS not?

[@megatronjenkins2473]

@gargoyles9999 lmao, shut up!!!

[@satchelsatchel]

What is your source, for this pronunciation? In the original Latin, the _G_ is hard (like myself, a hard G), as in _gun_ or _gum._

[@megatronjenkins2473]

@satchelsatchel what's my source? WHAT'S MY SOURCE?!? EVERY DUNE MOVIE EVER FCKKKKING MADE!!!!!

[@LAWLESSXX88]

You barely scratched the surface on letto II

[@jackslagle2019]

Well done my friend. I know this is nerd talk but that was a heck of a topic to take on. I’m not sure if I can say hell.

[@rsanchez4566]

He was a bulls fan. He loved Dennis Rodman.

[@Zomfoo]

Leto II Atreides

[@steffeno.7381]

Duncan Idaho is the Kwisatz Haderach, the one reborn again and again, not Leto.... it s a long time ago i read Dune from the beginning till the end

[@popasmurf6608]

What movie is it where spiderman is in the Dune universe?

[@satchelsatchel]

_Spider Man: Across the Multiverse_ (2023).

[@satchelsatchel]

Sorry, it was _Spider Man: Across the Spider-verse_ (2023).

[@zooziz5724]

I think our timeline Leto would do it too...

[@KingTies]

Where are the spiderman clips from

[@sunbabaphu]

2003 dune tv series.. available on prime video

[@jamesbraddy2408]

Stopped ready the series after this far fetched book.

[@fgabrieltomas]

Worms get the b******

[@nerobaal6655]

I’m the worm 😐

[@sogggy]

The biggest question is, did Leto Atreides produce spice?

[@sobreaver]

Squished by a worm >.>

[@petramiksa6110]

In dem Buch ist Leto II 9 Jahre alt, seine Schwester natürlich auch. Beide sind Vorgeborene. Mit dem Wissen von allen Vorgenerationen, bis zurück ins alte Griechenland. Dem Ursprung der Atreides. Also ist die Darstellung durch die erwachsenen Schauspieler falsch. Die Augen sollten ganz blau sein, ohne weiß.

[@Maguzzo84]

So he became Jabba

[@dorbie]

It's not at all controversial, we know the story and his own internal thoughts and motivations, and even the later outcome of his golden path. He's only controversial WITHIN the story's narrative. We are the reader, not a citizen of his empire. We know he saved humanity from extinction at great personal sacrifice.

[@RealPeanuts]

THIS

[@xonian916]

Exactlyyyyy. Half these people in the comments don’t understand this and just call him a dictator and be done with it

[@Dweller415]

How does one turn themself into a worm? Cool voice btw.

[@gregorygraham3145]

I’m sorry but this bothers me does no one know Paul had two sons…….? One the baron had kidnapped and killed

[@tylerberryhill8029]

Leto 2 was infertile while sandworms where not correct me if i am wrong but aren't sandtrout the larval stage of sandworms and if so where did sandtrout come from in the first place yeah never does go into that anywhere in the books but it makes no sense when sandworms are not infertile but leto 2 is i mean to be a hybrid that leto became where did the sandtrout come from in the first place out of nowhere obviously

[@jbird976]

To lose himself…….literally 😅

[@TodoRadegast]

So Leto was actually Jaba the Hut?

[@kennethflores-hv7uf]

So he’s Big Worm 😂

[@TimothyMorigeau]

This is what happens when people take the white savior trope to the most extreme level lol. He turned into a worm just to call himself a god and be the only one who can save humanity. Supposedly. Are there any normal people in Dune? People who like to have fun, participate in some kind of art, spend time with their families? Or is everyone a weirdo? 😂 I can’t look away though because it’s so bizarre.

[@satchelsatchel]

You're not obsessed with the idea of being the Savior of the Universe?

[@richardrickford3028]

People having fun is really nice and cool but it does not make for an interesting novel. And you are right - they are all pretty weird. And the whole thing is an appalling family tragedy with cosmic implications. When they keep mentioning the spice I can't help but think of Old Spice deodorant and aftershave. Even though he is a worm God perhaps Leto II still wants to smell his best. The thing is Old Spice is rather a traditional sort of brand now. In terms of people who might still use old Spice you think of Tom Jones and that smoothie BBC Radio Disc Jockey Tony Blackburn. Perhaps if God Emperor of Dune had been written earlier The Beatles would have made a song about Leto II and put it on Sargant Pepper.

[@GreatGreebo]

So many mispronunciations that it’s near impossible to take this supposed *Dune* video seriously.

[@tuzuharurakutu]

At least pronounce "Bene Gesserit" correctly especially since you wrote it correctly in the video.

[@mythos000000025]

I cant get it up! LET THE UNIVERSE BURN!

[@joebloggs3298]

Read "God Emporor Dune" and find out in his own words.

[@satchelsatchel]

_True_ reason? Is it the _true_ true reason? Is it _truly_ true? Is it _truly_ the _true_ true reason? Is it the _truly_ truly true _true_ true reason? Your words are cages. I am free.

[@ImYourOverlord]

Pretty sure his name isn't pronounced that way.

[@dreadipsy5536]

Thanks for the spoiler KZbin .....

[@samhaucward3633]

So why keep watching? Ha yeah, you were kidnaped by KZbin and Force to watch it still the end hmmm😒

[@dreadipsy5536]

@samhaucward3633 The picture not the video was the spoiler for me.... It was recommended to me, on top off all videos... Directly after i started the third book.

[@glsd123]

who cares

[@TheBokdol]

would you love me if i turned into a worm?

[@richardrickford3028]

Yes my darling - and the very idea that I wouldn't is a vicious rumor concocted by unknown extremists.

[@ZenEndurance]

Basically what goes through the mind of a guy making excuses to himself to become a dictator for his "grand vision"

[@scottchristofersen2367]

Yes. You understood. At least someone else understood.

[@ZenEndurance]

@@scottchristofersen2367 Yep, so full of "I am the only one that can do it", "I must become super powerful to do it right", using religion, immortality "Look at me, I'm a god now!" and other totally narcissistic bullsh*t to "lead" (manipulate and crush) people to do what he thinks is the grand vision instead of just being a good leader for what they want/need and then stepping aside. Lots of examples of human leaders doing that in modern history, biblical history, and I'm sure prehistoric times too.

[@xonian916]

Damn did we even read the same book? Such an immature take lmao

[@scottchristofersen2367]

@@xonian916 it’s Herbert’s take as he made clear in countless interviews so… maybe you did read a different book

[@ViolentXDwarf]

Just so you know, it's not "see-ay-ch", it's "see-ch" for Sietch Jacurutu.

[@justincooper1884]

Is this A.I. narrated? Mispronouncing nearly every name.

[@satchelsatchel]

AI written, AI narrated, AI garbage.

[@michaelmarkle5133]

The second movie sucked. Done good parts but very choppy and terrible acting

[@ANNA.COWGILL.ILLINOIS]

This is sooo stupid!! As if!!!

[@AncientRylanor69]

m

[@billsmith3042]

because the whole Atreides clan were all fascist assholes.

[@reallybig4868]

Your true reasoning is speculation and low value