Why Did Medieval Religious Authorities Debate About a Goose?

[@NizzahonHistory]

Correction: I shouldn't have said "Immaculate Conception" at the end, I meant "Virgin Birth." They are two different things.

[@MindGameArcade]

This is so good! Short but super dense in information. Greeks could figure out the size of the moon but birds come from trees!

[@NizzahonHistory]

Yeah, it is crazy the number of things that the Greeks got right about the natural world using math alone! But uh, yeah. Bird migration was not one of them. Haha.

[@lirangorgon]

A. This video is amazing. Never thought I would see a serious halachic debate in a popular history channel. Great choice of topic. B. I can see this as a magic card: B for a 0/2 creature named Goose Barnacle with defender and pay one snow mana to transform into a 2/2 flying bird named Barnacle Goose.

[@NizzahonHistory]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kennethmurray9003]

with the ability to sac the goose for a food token

[@adancein]

It's really interesting to me how many things which seem super weird to us now were considered natural. It truly was a more "magical" time, in the weirdest possible way-

[@georgem7502]

“The swallow may fly south with the sun, or the house marten or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, but these are not strangers to our land...” If this is true, then coconuts can surely migrate and geese can surely grow from trees, and ducks weigh the same as a witch 🧙🏼

[@ThisIsVisser]

Binging all your videos while at work, this one is by far my favorite so far. Super interesting and weird topic. Please keep it up, your history videos deserve way more views.

[@NizzahonHistory]

Thanks!

[@rattlesnek3847]

I really like this kind of vid where we're actually getting insight into medieval thinking. The debate whether or not chess was a game of chance was my favorite part of the chess vid as well. I guess I'd like to see more medieval debate videos?

[@elnatanbitensky8314]

Best episode yet! Can't wait to show it to my friends at Yeshiva!

[@NizzahonHistory]

Nice!

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

Here's what I want to know, does the goose at least taste good?

[@whynotfandy]

I like your vids, dude. Mtg and history both. I don’t have anyone to share with, but I subscribed to this channel as well.

[@emilio9129]

That intro is sweeeeeeet. Will you do a top ten Popes or top ten Crusades, though?

[@moleculeman27]

Fascinating insight into medieval thinking!

[@NizzahonHistory]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@balrogdahomie]

36 seconds in I have two complete toss-up guesses for where this could go: It could be similar to the Capybara thing; a debate over whether or not an animal counts as something priests were allowed to eat in the Bible or, it could have something to do with the whole thing where people thought geese were born from barnacles for some reason? Although I think that was more an Ancient Greek thing than a medieval thing, IIRC... It’s probably neither but I liked the idea of pointing to the stands and seeing if I got anywhere close to the actual topic lol Edit: Literally ten seconds later, 0:48 in Nailed it, lmao

[@NizzahonHistory]

Yep, you got there!

[@balrogdahomie]

@@NizzahonHistory it is super interesting how magical people thought animals were back in the day I suppose it makes sense though. When you don’t have our modern understanding of stuff like DNA or evolution, and you don’t have cameras or video or any other method to help confirm something, literally all you have to go on is hearsay. If a bird seems to just disappear from reality for years at a time, there’s no real reason why a medieval person wouldn’t think there was some strange metamorphosis involved. I mean, if you’ve never seen either before, what makes an elephant or hippo all that much more believable than a dragon or catoblepas or w/e? It’s wild to think that, for a long time, if you just travelled far enough, you could encounter creatures no one in your village had ever heard of. It’s interesting; they weren’t really all that less intelligent than us, they just didn’t have the tools to gain & circulate new information the way we do. Sorry for rambling, I just find all of this very interesting. That aside: loved the video, keep up the good work 👍

[@MrCyberGal]

Great video as always :)

[@NizzahonHistory]

Thanks!

[@nicholassalvato8845]

Just wanna say, this is my absolute fave video you've made so far. So freakin' fascinating, and gives a really keen insight into how medieval ppl approached the world at large. I've spread the gospel of barnacle goose far and wide lol. Thanks :)

[@NizzahonHistory]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@dankinmcspankin3123]

love it cant wait for the other ones too!

[@NizzahonHistory]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@alexwilliamfisher]

That was really interesting. Thank you.

[@NizzahonHistory]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@guylortie5238]

I swear to God, I could listen to you read the phonebook.

[@666Metalbassist]

This just made me happy to live in a time with modern science

[@blabik]

In the middle ages people thought they totally knew that goose is from a tree. Just imagine what we totally think we know for sure now.

[@666Metalbassist]

@@blabik my bet is on the whole "many worlds hypothesis" that shit aint real.

[@blabik]

@@666Metalbassist hmm good pick. I was more into the dark matter/energy, but i might like yours more.

[@666Metalbassist]

@@blabik funny. I was thinking dark energy matter as well!

[@thomaspalmer2828]

Of course you can eat them during Lent. Even if they do not grow on trees, all waterfoul float on water and are thus made of wood. If they are made of wood then they must be vegetables.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

What I really want to know is, if you have three Rabbis, how many opinions do you have? Is it four? Since there were two Rabbis and three opinions, would it simply be an extra opinion added on? Or is it five? Since each additional Rabbi adds an opinion. Or perhaps, it is six, since each Rabbi has an additional opinion with each other Rabbi?

[@a_speeder1728]

Watching this again, I just noticed the sly Modern Major General joke in the title card

[@apjapki]

Do you really mean immaculate conception at the end of the video? Immaculate conception still involves the union of male and female (Mary's conception).

[@georgem7502]

Quite right - and a v common error! Immaculate Conception =/= virgin birth!

[@NizzahonHistory]

Yeah, I should not have used that term.

[@christophercombs7561]

Interesting video religious history is pretty interesting because of their lack of information

[@NizzahonHistory]

I'm not sure what you mean.

[@christophercombs7561]

@@NizzahonHistory its an inferesting take on the livong world from people who lacked the scientific method but still had access to logic and reason amd they used it even though we know they cane to the wrong conclusions in their day they worked with what information they did have and that mind set is interesting

[@atlanntis8064]

That's rich coming from us who don't know where 80% of the universe is

[@christophercombs7561]

@@atlanntis8064 and our take on the universe will be interesting to those people in the future did you think i thought we were special we will be the backwards savages to the future thats how time works

[@crooker23]

absurd to think that they had classified birds a a type of living being, understood that all other birds laid eggs, and still got to this conclusion! you made the reasoning really clear, but a cynical part of me can't help but think the Irish were trying to sneak one past the Big Guy

[@KimonFrousios]

In the same way that all birds have wings and fly, right? Enter the casuary... The thing about biology is that every rule has an exception. Every time we think we figure out a mechanism, we discover something that defies it. I wanted to make a snide remark about how special pleading is a logical fallacy that is still really strong among modern society, but then I remembered I am a biologist and I have yet to meet a biological rule that does not have an exception. Sure, by modern understanding of shared evolution, birds growing out of trees and metamorphosing from barnacles is absurd when all other bird lay eggs, but the realization of common evolution had not occurred yet at that time, so there was no such constraint. And like I said, nature is full of exceptions and absurd stuff.

[@rogaahn1587]

very interesting!

[@NizzahonHistory]

Glad you think so!

[@nickbalmes6640]

I'll never look at Gilded Goose the same way again 😅

[@christophercombs7561]

Geese are mean af

[@NizzahonHistory]

They aren't as mean as people think.

[@christophercombs7561]

@@NizzahonHistory the geese i run ibto is the canadian goose and they are aggressive

[@spaceytracey1237]

Allegedly a goose can break a man's arm? Idk how,just what kids used to be told by parents back in the day.

[@christophercombs7561]

@@spaceytracey1237 whwther they can break bones or not Canadian geese will attack you regardless how big you are

[@GHST995]

I was hoping for a golden goose!

[@lodeguillen5052]

17:23 Actually, if I'm correct, there had been a mistranslation of the bible where it stated that the holy virgin got pregnant while being, well, a virgin. I've heard otherwise tho. Unlike we think today, what the bible was saying is that she got pregnant without having a single sin, thus described as immaculate, not necissarily meaning without having had rocked the boat.

[@NizzahonHistory]

I'm not sure what source you're getting that from. Regardless, my statement was accurate in reflecting what people believe, so it isn't really an "actually" thing. I'm not saying I believe in the immaculate conception myself!

[@georgem7502]

The Immaculate Conception in the conception *of Mary* (in the uterus of her mother, who by tradition is called Anne), not the conception of Jesus in the womb of Mary.... The Hebrew word Almah you might be thinking of is translated as Parthenos (i.e. Virgin) in LXX, but really just means ‘girl’. But then the writers would’ve assumed that all girls were virgins so it’s not really a mistranslation.

[@georgem7502]

*is

[@lodeguillen5052]

@@NizzahonHistory That is true. But in that case, I might just be incorrect here intirely, if it where that people in the midieval period believed it in that certain way, which multible sources suggest. The bible wasn't transaled yet, so their couldn't have been an error there. I will have to admit that I don't know much of the bible, except for some things told by my grandpa.

[@crooker23]

@@lodeguillen5052 the bible had been translated multiple times by the middle ages. between greek, latin, hebrew and back again!

[@andygoody2599]

Rabbinic Responsa: a new MTG card that can only be played in respoy

[@LindaMerchant-dw1sw]

Qhats good for the goose is good for the gander

[@sshim950]

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