Can We just appreciate that opening battle in "Rome?" I'm not a Roman military historian in any way but that first battle was one of the most realistic battles I've ever seen. The men fighting in formations, not running around or twirling around etc.
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq2 жыл бұрын
As much as I love the giant budget battle in Gladiator I still find this Rome scene tops it.
@ThommyofThenn2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Gladiator is fun in a romping adventure kind of way. Rome is great as a human drama and a semi-historical work. As I watched it, I was researching the various names, ranks, places and battles mentioned. I learned a huge amount of history just by being curious about that show.
@axnyslie2 жыл бұрын
Such as shame Rome was canceled after just 2 seasons.
@ThommyofThenn2 жыл бұрын
@@axnyslie Been watching that "Historia Civilis" channel and my god, the potential for a s3 was immense. I guess the budget just wasn't justified by the low viewership. Then GoT (which was extremely influenced by Rome) came along just a few years later and got massive budgets and viewers .
@luxtempestas2 жыл бұрын
The ones from the Monty Python movie were way more realistic! 🤣
@Jay-ln1co2 жыл бұрын
I have a friend into medieval fighting who ran a whole team that'd go to events. One of the members had a nice decorative helmet and everyone assumed he was the group's leader because he stood out so well. To the point my friend had to buy the helmet for himself to stop the confusion.
@peterglade18032 жыл бұрын
That's hilarious and shows just how important something like a fancy hat could be on the battlefield back in the day🤣
@planescaped Жыл бұрын
@@peterglade1803 That's why I never go anywhere without my ostrich plumed African hat.
@jackstecker57962 жыл бұрын
If memory serves, Walter Cronkite had a rough landing in a glider during Operation: Market‐Garden. Everyone got bounced around, so he grabbed the first helmet he could, and un-assed the aircraft. Then he wondered why everybody was following him, until he realized he was wearing an officer's helmet. Oops!
@axnyslie2 жыл бұрын
Saving Private Ryan also mentions protecting officers' identity from the enemy when Caparzo says to Upham "And another thing, every time you salute the captain, you make him a target for the Germans. So do us a favour, don't do it. Especially when l'm standing next to him, capisci?"
@renegadeleader12 жыл бұрын
And then the same movie also botch this by using helmets with the officer rank insignia on the front.
@Arkssa Жыл бұрын
In theory in the finnish army we weren't supposed to greet top brass during major exercises because of that fact, but I think they loved their ego being stroked so we had to do it anyway most of the time lol.
@timpyrules6 ай бұрын
That didnt become a massive issue until the advance of firearm technology in Antiquity is was much more valuable for your own men to be able to spot you and recevies order from across a battlefiend than the downside of being spotted by the enemy sicne they could do jack shit about it furthermore Roman centuries fought in fixed formation with the centurion always in the same spot at the front right, so any enemy with the slightest knowlegde of the roman army would already know who the centurions
@HowsItHappening5 ай бұрын
I remember Lt Dan telling Forest and Bubba something very similar
@jinngeechia97152 жыл бұрын
I think you should produce a video in what some modern armies view as an obsolete weapon. The bayonet. I know the USMC and BA have not given it up. It is still in their combat doctrine. I remember doing bayonet drills when I was serving. The bayonet drill instructors really make you go through all sorts of physical activity in combat gear until you are near or totally exhausted to simulated the conditions bayonets will be used.
@DavidCowie20222 жыл бұрын
A moment that I remember form a documentary about the British officer training school Sandhurst: Sergeant: What is the purpose of the bayonet? Cadets: To kill kill kill. Sergeant: I didn't know I had the girls' platoon today. What is the purpose of the bayonet? Cadets: To Kill! Kill! Kill!
@jackstecker57962 жыл бұрын
The British did a bayonet charge in, I want to say '03 or '04 in Basra, Iraq. Scared the crap out of the Iraqis when they got bum-rushed by a company of irate Englishmen, with pokey things on the end of their bangy things.
@eamonnclabby70672 жыл бұрын
@@jackstecker5796 check out Danny boy....
@42meep132 жыл бұрын
People say no to bring a knife to a gunfight, but then what is the point of a bayonet? Simple: To allow your gun to double as a spear, historically the most useful melee weapon for use on the battlefield.
@jinngeechia97152 жыл бұрын
@@42meep13 the bayonet came about because you get musket armed men doubling as pikemen.
@rismarck2 жыл бұрын
Actually always wondered what the purpose of those were glad you posted this video!
@Moredread252 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'd also like to thank the Column of Trajan for showing us so much of what Roman soldiers looked like.
@craterous Жыл бұрын
Ok .... without being there... to me it is obvious (based my experience/long story) the centurian helmet was designed to help the centurian form a correct facing formation line of soldiers. In the din/confusion of battle the soldier would look at the centurian helmet (above the fray) to get a sense of which direction the centurian would like the formation/ to face after say an engagement.
@Birdy8902 жыл бұрын
Love to see the ancient history stuff Johnny. I don't think it's outside the scope of your channel, most people that are interested in WW2 era weaponry aren't going to limit themselves to just that era of history, It's a general interest in things that came before our time. Though I may be speaking just for myself. Just wanted to encourage you to do videos that interest you. I think any sort of equipment depicted in hollywood movies from any era is within the scope of your channel.
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the kind words! This is good encouragement - thank you.
@AdamOwenBrowning2 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of crossover between those who appreciate modern war history and ancient war history. We'll be here Johnny!
@pendantblade63612 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the plume worn by Centurions were used to.... sweep the enemies of Rome away. I'll take the flogging with a smile, Centurion.
@Birdy8902 жыл бұрын
The plume being used to make the soldier look larger is also something the hats of the Napoleonic(and earlier) era were so big for.
@roberthorst57904 ай бұрын
thank you for showing asterix the gaul clips i grew up with the comics
@HollywoodMarine03512 жыл бұрын
Great research. Too bad movie footage from “Centurion” wasn’t used. Tight formations and movements are still implemented during Tactical Employment of Nonlethal Weapons (aka, riot control). That was some intimidating but cool training when done correctly.
@regard.pduplessis21092 жыл бұрын
Another good one my man, much enjoyed
@Cliff_Dixon_422 жыл бұрын
"You care if it falls?" "What?" "The Roman Empire?" "$&#* IIIIT!!"
@ak99892 жыл бұрын
I visited the British museum years ago and they have an impressive collection of Greek and Roman helmets. My oldest owned helmet is a 1570s morion and 1640 lobster still shiny! Wish I could own a real roman one.
@bigblue69172 жыл бұрын
Centurians only lead 80 men. The idea that they led 100 men is a misunderstanding. One problem with understanding the Roman legion is that they were not all alike. The fort for one legion had all the senior legionaries, those who had served at least 20 years, housed together. For some time it was thought that this was possibly what every legion did but it is now thought that this was not the case. Senior legionaries were excused many duties such as guarding the camp or fort, so having them separated from the other legionaries may have been done in recognition of their seniority.
@ColonelSandersLite6 ай бұрын
Yeah, not too dissimilar from an NCO club in the modern military.
Ha always cracks me up even when I know his lines are coming
@Goofy_Boots2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the thumbnail, I went to my display case, pulled out my modern reproduction Roman Helmet, and wore it while I watched the video. It's 6am here and I also have on my dress shirt and slacks getting ready for work. 🤪
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq2 жыл бұрын
You sir, are exactly who I make videos for lol
@eamonnclabby70672 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq makes the world a better place...
@MFrolda2 жыл бұрын
Greek versions are nicely depicted in Alexander the Great movie. Lots of hoplites were wearing those. Also huge thumb up for Rome series. One of the best historical depictions
@bradtipton9862 жыл бұрын
I had the thought that the plumes had some practical advantage during battle in addition to identifying leaders and officers. A sturdy blume could blunt the downward stroke of a sword and possibly stop or redirect deflection of the sword that could hit a shoulder or arm.
@AdamOwenBrowning2 жыл бұрын
Huh, never thought about how the helmet shape from housing a plume could redirect a blow. Like how samurai helmets had fancy bits (i think they are called fukigaeshi) to the sides of the helmet brim to hopefully redirect blows coming straight down into the skull to one side.
@historicmilitaria19442 жыл бұрын
Same with the greek...its a badge of rank...fun fact..in 300 gerad butlers plume was the wrong way around,in the movie it went front to back...in real life his rank would mean the plume would actually go from left to right across the head.....but when the comic books were written the plume in the correct position wasn't thought to be photogenic enough,so it was changed for illustrative purposes and carried into the film.
@mstash5 Жыл бұрын
Despite everything _300_ gets wrong, which is technically almost everything because it's a stylistic film rather than an historical one, the direction of Gerard Butler's plume may have been historically accurate. Hoplite Spartan officers had the horizontal plumes, but it's not known for certain what the king's would have been. All the modern statues in Greece of Leonidas depict him helmeted with the plume going from front to back. However, the oldest depiction believed to be of King Leonidas is a marble bust found on the Spartan Acropolis in 1926 dating to the 5th Century B.C. It is in the Archaeological Museum of Sparta and shows the plume going front to back.
@mstash5 Жыл бұрын
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@theweirdguy67662 жыл бұрын
You just keep pumping out videos and I love ever one of them they are so good
@metatron448 Жыл бұрын
Point of order: Rome did not end in 476 AD and it certainly continued on the tradition of having decorative plumes for some time after that.
@grizwoldphantasia50053 ай бұрын
The last Rome emperor was deposed in 476 AD, while the eastern Roman Empire soldiered on until the Ottomans conquered it 500(±) years later. How's that? In point of fact, Rome the city still exists. Or to be pedantly different, the Rome Empire collapsed in 476 AD, but the Roman Empire continued on.
@Predator42ID2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for using the proper time stamps of AD and BC. Too many groups and museums are using the illogical BC and BCE which makes zero sense.
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq2 жыл бұрын
I grew up with AD. No need to change it really.
@DavidCowie20222 жыл бұрын
If dates CE and BCE annoy you, try pretending that they stand for "Christian Era" and "Before Christian Era."
@eamonnclabby70672 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq hear,hear...
@Demolitiondude2 жыл бұрын
At least the Roman history buffs are chill.
@kenc9236 Жыл бұрын
I loved Asterix the Gaul when I was a kid.
@patriotenfield32762 жыл бұрын
Well , In Medieval Armor , the Indo Persian style Armor and a similar type of Armor pattern used by Novgorod Rus and Lithuanian catholic kingdom are my favorite.
@t.wcharles21712 жыл бұрын
Love the use of the great historic source of Astérix in the video.
@rogerdevero8726Ай бұрын
1:26 "... more or less correctly shown in The Simpsons..." LOL LOLOL Johnny, only you have such a Cool Page as this. One of the Very Best Pages on KZbin. Wishing you much success - John 14:6
@JohnnyJohnsonEsqАй бұрын
Lol thanks man. I try to make it fun 😁
@aliendeathpunch70442 жыл бұрын
Roman plumes "hey im in charge and special" also "I am big target kill me first".
@patriotenfield32762 жыл бұрын
A reason why many Officers were favorite buckshot for snipers during the American civil war. Coz they were riding on a horse .
@christophersnyder15322 жыл бұрын
Great effort in this video, sorry to be a bit off topic, I just hope that video of Otoko Tachi No Yamato's production of their replica 12.7 cm twin mount will be useful, there are a few other short videos in that same channel that show them testing it, as well. Again, great video, take care, and all the best.
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq2 жыл бұрын
I checked it out! It's good stuff. Give me some time on more naval productions :)
@christophersnyder15322 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, whatever you do is great, and I will wait. This is your channel, not mine, do what you feel right! Take care, and all the best.
@robertlavery68962 жыл бұрын
my guy, they had plumes because plumes are cool as fuck.
@Vang200911 ай бұрын
Asking why a Centurions helmet has a plume is like asking “why are bullets pointy”
@airmackeeee67922 жыл бұрын
I remember the centurion Abenader in The Passion of the Christ didn't have a plume for his helmet, just a metallic crest.
@mstash5 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's incorrect. Great movie, otherwise.
@Armageddon20772 жыл бұрын
Fire Arrows needs to be an episode at some point
@cloudshifter2 жыл бұрын
3:26 Helmets don't block or stop bullets. Military wears helmets for the debris that fall when a grenade explodes which that debris by itself can be quite dangerous and even kill them.
@cloudshifter Жыл бұрын
@Chrome Book Most often it can't unless you're wearing special helmets, soldiers wear the normal helmets that don't stop jack shit.
@jamesturner96512 жыл бұрын
0:48 to be fair that movie's budget went all to abs lol
@jB-uw8fi8 ай бұрын
It’s to confuse the enemy, from a distance it looks like a pack of wild turkeys, and lulls the enemy into complacency.
@pontymike562 жыл бұрын
Hi good video,just a quick note ,I thought that the ordinary roman soldier wore a horse hair long crest(or plume) for special occasions
@mister-v-30862 жыл бұрын
JOhnny...I just checked on something I've "known" for 60+ years, and now I stand Corrected: Yes..all Officers wore a white vertical stripe on their helmet on D-Day, as you state ... and Sergeants wore a white Horizontal stripe on theirs. I learn the darndest things, thanks to you. Stay with the Good Work, eh?
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it! Never hurts to double check info. Lots of misinformation out there and I fall victim to it as well! Thanks for doubling checking for me.
@korbell1089 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Walter Cronkite was a war correspondent who went to Operation Market Garden in a glider which crashed, while jumbled together he grabbed a helmet and put it on then crawled out, soon he realized he was being followed by all these soldiers he asked them why and it was then pointed out that the helmet he had taken was an officer's helmet with the stripe on the back. They were just following the leader!😅
@rossdugdale86122 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure a Roman soldier was a legionary rather than legionnaire?
@wilky11892 жыл бұрын
Because it looks rad as fuck
@MrJayuk882 жыл бұрын
Great as always 😊 could you cover reconnaissance units ?
@VanemParm2 жыл бұрын
SAS !!!
@haody34942 жыл бұрын
My friend triggered the entire Roman army and it’s followers by saying the plumes looks like brooms.
@jansandman6983 Жыл бұрын
I think Centurions literally wanted to be identified as the officer to make him the big target when they are engaged, which puts him in more danger than anybody else. It gives him more command and respect towards his men as the one calling the shots and as the meanest and baddest of them all.
@fredlandry61702 жыл бұрын
Rome was a great series on HBO.
@thekhoifish01462 жыл бұрын
It’s a drip or drown works out there, folks
@patriotenfield32762 жыл бұрын
Hello Johny .How could you miss the GATE Anime ? Roman style Mediaeval army vs A modern JSDF Army would have been more suitable and funny addition.
@paleoph61682 жыл бұрын
I agree lol
@patriotenfield32762 жыл бұрын
One Question I have :- why many Eastern European militaries have Armor style similar to the Persian Turkic sets rather than being similar to those wore by Western European militaries? In simple words :- why a Rus Novgorod or Polish/Lithuanian Solider preferred Mongolian style Lamellar + Chainmail Armor combination over a Fully Armored Knight like those of late Medieval Germanic principalities , England and France?
@marpintado5 ай бұрын
"Crista" is the Latin name of the crest in roosters, the red protuberance in top their head´s. The symbology seems evident on face of this fact.
@IQsveen2 жыл бұрын
Anybody knows if one can stream Rome someplace? It seems cool, at least from these clips
@claygorovoy5467 Жыл бұрын
Because you could flip the whole guy upside down and use him like a dust broom ?
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Жыл бұрын
An excellent comment in my books
@martinidry63002 жыл бұрын
Roman centurions were definitely known to wear a RED HOT burning coal fitted to the front of their helmets in combat. With the sun burst style plume, it made quite an impact. It's mentioned in contemporary written sources. Against enemies it resonated with the centurion coming from the Gods to deliver divine punishment This is from "Imperial Rome at War" (Concord Fighting Men 6000): No. 6002 Well worth it for all sorts of esoteric info. Long out of print however. PS: Farnham Wood, West Sussex, England, is the location of the opening battle in "Gladiator". Many of the stuntmen went to the local swimming pool to let off steam - and the shower facilities in situ weren't quite the ticket. They were still dirty. Result = the pool staff were most upset to see hay, grass and a film of muddy scum emerge in the pool. PPS: A huge number of painstakingly made arrows were piled together for that battle, but a fire arrow randomly landed there and the lot went up like a Roman candle. That's why digital arrows were resorted to.
@muddashucka97432 жыл бұрын
Source?
@martinidry63002 жыл бұрын
@@muddashucka9743 I gave the source - Concord Fighting Men 6000): No. 6002. The title is Imperial Rome At War. No, I don't have the original source.
@AdamOwenBrowning2 жыл бұрын
@@martinidry6300 if you don't have the original source then... you don't have a primary source, you have a secondhand account
@martinidry63002 жыл бұрын
@@AdamOwenBrowning And? How many primary sources are quoted, with title, date, page numbers, publisher, etc? I've never seen one. It's a secondary source. If you buy the quoted book you'll find that quote, then you can refer to the original book(s). When you do, get back to me and convey your thanks. Your given surname of Meme is most indicative.
@martinidry6300 Жыл бұрын
@Chrome Book Go & buy the book I quoted, as I've already stated you lazy git. If not, remain as you are.
@xFlared Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised there wasn't a single Spartacus clip.
@Fallschirmjager-xy1ep2 жыл бұрын
you really like band of brothers don't you :)
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq2 жыл бұрын
Even I had to laugh at myself that I worked it into a Roman history video lol
@Kogasengaha_Hishoshi2 жыл бұрын
Long story short..... *They look fucking cool*
@forminecraftmultiplayeracc2583 Жыл бұрын
Long story short. You lost an argument due to stupidity.
@WanderingProphet Жыл бұрын
It's common to portray helmet plumes as red. Is that accurate? Do we have any evidence for that?
@TheLordFragger2 жыл бұрын
A comparison between 19th century european and american mitrailleuse type guns could be interessting i think.
@cruzaider53392 жыл бұрын
Real question is Horse hair plumage or feathers?
@fabricio-agrippa-zarate2 жыл бұрын
Why did Roman soldiers wore colourful plumes on top of their helmets? Why did the Landsknecht wore colorful clothing? Why did soldiers wore bright jackets in the XVIII century? It's all about looking amazing in the battlefield, to intimidate by means of just being stylish, and to be perceived as an absolute unit. Just look at the SS uniforms.
@2adamast9 ай бұрын
SS dress uniforms or plain field uniforms?
@BobSmith-dk8nw Жыл бұрын
In most movies the two sides just charge into each other, merging into one large mass of men flailing about them. I just hate that. So - any time I see them at least try to start off with a formation I'm relatively pleased. .
@thomasdrivas5317 Жыл бұрын
Much respect as many who regard plume associated with Romans, never mention Greece who I believe are the soul founders of the idea that I helmet can be decorated with a plume .
@markmoreno2145 Жыл бұрын
They had plumes because in the roman culture the rooster represented bravery, and gameness, romans used to watch cockfighting before their battles, to get motivated to fight. There the idea for them to resemblance the bravery and toughness of the fighting rooster. FACTS....
@domm1382 жыл бұрын
i'm not a historian or anything, but i'm pretty sure the real reason why is that it looks cool
@plaguedoctorjamespainshe60092 жыл бұрын
With recent discoveries of how much colorful roman culture is, those things probably were colored like a full rainbow Looking like a peacock
@mstash5 Жыл бұрын
Doubt it. Probably plumes of red and black depending on rank and other factors. Roman military color was different from other aspects of their culture.
@Greg-b3bАй бұрын
The Roman empire did NOT stretch from Scotland - they built a wall in England to keep them out.
@patriotenfield32762 жыл бұрын
Some Persian and Turkic Armor sets like Chainmail , Khula Khud ( helmet) , Char Aina (four plate Cuirass) and the famous Talwar become an integral part of the Indian subcontinent war culture .
@Jabberwockybird Жыл бұрын
3:30 it's not that I'm a coward, it's that I just don't care.
@rolfagten8572 жыл бұрын
3rd Reich Police Parade schackos there are also feathers on it. Possibly derived from the Roman Empire.
@rickrandom67349 ай бұрын
That centurions broom hat looks quite silly, not impressive at all.
@danawankinthewoods.56422 жыл бұрын
The US army issue ALICE pack.
@360NoScopedMyDogEz3 ай бұрын
the simpsons haha
@noeltorres91752 жыл бұрын
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@tortureRoomАй бұрын
Swag
@saltyghast40372 жыл бұрын
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@ThommyofThenn2 жыл бұрын
Fourth 😩
@Imaneedmalk2 жыл бұрын
third 😁
@stevensteptoe6822 жыл бұрын
It was a sex thing. They all wanted to look fabulous for each other.