Why Did Some American States Split In Two?

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@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
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@maxamed-dhuux
@maxamed-dhuux 5 ай бұрын
What if USA split into 50 countries what would happen?
@mrpearson1230
@mrpearson1230 4 ай бұрын
Your ability to obscure is fascinating! Not once mentioning how largely slavery and genocide dramatically contributed for these decisions to be made. The economic gain; the forced labor to clear off the land.. so much intentionally left out.
@daerdevvyl4314
@daerdevvyl4314 2 ай бұрын
mrpearson1230 Nobody is obligated to repeat what your professors told you. You're doing a fine job of mindlessly mimicking them.
@AVar5
@AVar5 Ай бұрын
you forgot mexico and new mexico.. and new york and york
@StevenDietrich-k2w
@StevenDietrich-k2w 6 ай бұрын
Interesting fact that when North Dakota and South Dakota became states it was on the same day in 1889. The President (Harrison) before signing the paperwork for the two states shuffled the papers, and then signed one, and then the other, and then reshuffled the papers. Nobody knows which one was the 39th state and which was the 40th state. Whether it was done alphabetically, or by some other means, North Dakota is now listed as the 39th, South Dakota the 40th. The eastern halves of each state are more similar to each other (farming, light manufacturing, more populous) than they are to the western halve of their own state (western portions are ranching, mineral extraction, tourism, less populated). Both state Capitols are on the Missouri River in the approximate center of their respective state, Bismark ND and Pierre (pronounced as peer), SD.
@bobjohnson9201
@bobjohnson9201 5 ай бұрын
And he had to shuffle the papers because of the animosity between the two states that came about when the territory capital was moved from Yankton SD to Bismarck ND in the middle of the night.
@alexmartinez5859
@alexmartinez5859 4 ай бұрын
Additionally, when people were preparing for Dakota to become the 39th state, people made 39 star flags, which were obviously made irrelevant immediately upon the Dakotas’ admittance into the Union.
@nfpnone8248
@nfpnone8248 4 ай бұрын
Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that the President signs the paperwork for a territory to become a State? Nowhere! We have two separate federal government systems, one has the responsibility to manage how the States interact with each other to form and maintain the Union through laws, the other has the responsibility to manage how the States act as the Union through treaties. And as the admission of a State into the Union is signing onto the treaty between the States that formed the Union, it is squarely in that second category which does not require any involvement of the President what so ever, however the majority consensus of the States is 2/3 of all the States, and an argument could be made that they need 3/4 of the current State legislatures to ratify the addition of a New State. Just because it says it must have the consent of Congress doesn’t mean it must have the approval, and signature, of the President. No treaty we make with foreign nations requires the approval and signature of the President, in fact the President is only a negotiator who is directed by the States as they are assembled in the Senate as the Union, through the requirement that all treaties must be made by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, providing 2/3 of the Senators present concur, however, the States have equal suffrage in the Senate, not their Senators who only represent, and are directed by, their own State’s legislature! [Article. IV. Section. 3. New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.]
@lenajk2004
@lenajk2004 2 ай бұрын
@@nfpnone8248 womp womp
@Da__goat
@Da__goat Ай бұрын
@@nfpnone8248I’ll directly reply to this because you know nothing of how bills become laws. Congress must ratify state constitutions as laws and acts. Such as the Kansas Nebraska Act, the Missouri Compromise, etc. acts, lie all other laws, must be signed by the president before going into effect. Try not to smoke too much next time
@CHASEMARC
@CHASEMARC 6 ай бұрын
my great grandmother (who was 105 years old when she died in 1993) was born in the Dakota Territory around the year 1888 till the day she died she refused to accept that the territory split up because that meant her home was no longer around. Granted at around 100 years old her mind was not 100%, but the family always loved it when she would talk about her home Territory (not State).
@otaviofrnazario
@otaviofrnazario 6 ай бұрын
it's a curious perspective... I don't know any of the kind here in Brazil, but I think here the territories were more looking to be states than not. Autonomy, bigger congress delegation, senators... There are no territories today here, but if there were, they would have half of the minimal delegation in the house (4 members, minimal for states is 8) and no senators
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
It's so incredible that some people live long enough to see the world around them completely change.
@CHASEMARC
@CHASEMARC 6 ай бұрын
@General.Knowledge she used to car cars "newfangled contraptions" even in the 1980s - she was born when Cleveland was president.
@robertewalt7789
@robertewalt7789 6 ай бұрын
Why did the territory around Seattle get the name “Washington,” when the capital city of the US already had that name?
@night0wl438
@night0wl438 5 ай бұрын
​@@robertewalt7789 The State of Washington was named after George Washington, founding father and first president.
@jampasurprenant1794
@jampasurprenant1794 5 ай бұрын
At my age I still enjoyed learning I am 75 years old . And appreciate you for sharing an excellent program with all of us.
@justtheilluminativ282
@justtheilluminativ282 6 ай бұрын
Finally, the correct thumbnail
@stuarttunstead6616
@stuarttunstead6616 6 ай бұрын
Patreons got this early last week, and have already seen next week's video. It's super cool! 😁
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
Had to change the color to make it a little different this time
@petertrudelljr
@petertrudelljr 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was looking forward to the German States Part 2!
@ChinnuWoW
@ChinnuWoW 6 ай бұрын
It’s actually a toenail this time.
@athanasiusofalexandria4304
@athanasiusofalexandria4304 5 ай бұрын
I don’t understand what people mean when they say “thumbnail.” I know I have two thumbnails…well one did fall off when I crushed it when I was a kid, but it grew back. So it’s fine. But this thumbnail has been here for a while. I just don’t know why people is always referencing it on the internet. Did it make America win? Okay.
@panelvixen
@panelvixen 5 ай бұрын
He didn't just start off as General Knowledge. He rose through the ranks first as Lieutenant Knowledge. Eventually Major Knowledge. Colonel Knowledge. Major General Knowledge. Finally with his fourth star, General Knowledge.
@daerdevvyl4314
@daerdevvyl4314 2 ай бұрын
Wasn't he ever Private Knowledge?
@MichealClarkMC
@MichealClarkMC Ай бұрын
@@daerdevvyl4314no
@Sacrifice0D
@Sacrifice0D Ай бұрын
@@daerdevvyl4314Civilian Knowledge
@brandongorte4746
@brandongorte4746 6 ай бұрын
You're missing a set: Massachusetts and Maine. Maine chose to secede from Massachusetts in 1819, after several years of attempts dating back to 1807.
@MarsJenkar
@MarsJenkar 6 ай бұрын
Maine's split from Massachusetts was granted as part of the Missouri Compromise, which also allowed Missouri into the US as a slave state.
@schmandybrandy
@schmandybrandy 5 ай бұрын
he brings that up, not even a minute into the video
@doomsdayrabbit4398
@doomsdayrabbit4398 5 ай бұрын
The attempts actually dated back even further.
@jdotoz
@jdotoz 4 ай бұрын
States can't be split without their consent. There's no such thing as unilaterally seceding from a state.
@doomsdayrabbit4398
@doomsdayrabbit4398 4 ай бұрын
@@jdotoz Officially it's partitioning.
@johnhemphill1938
@johnhemphill1938 6 ай бұрын
Pennsylvania and Delaware were once joined under William Penn; they had two different legislatures but were under one man; even now in the Philadelphia area it is common that Delaware is called the Lower Counties so it would be interesting if they were rejoined.
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
That is true! Very interesting
@hoodboyzAtl
@hoodboyzAtl 5 ай бұрын
No they wasn't
@Sedgewise47
@Sedgewise47 3 ай бұрын
@@General.Knowledge 😮… 🤔 Learn something new every day!… 🤔… Y’know-this sorta-/kinda- reminds me of an item mentioned in the post-apocalyptic sci-fi novel “Warday”, where it’s mentioned that the PNW states of Oregon and Washington have sorta-/kinda- united with a joint legislature and yet 2 governors. 🤔Wait-or was that, 2 legislatures and 1 governor? 🤷‍♂️ Oh man-it’s been awhile since I read that book. And unfortunately I’m abroad right now, so it’s not like I can just walk down to my library…
@uingaeoc3905
@uingaeoc3905 3 ай бұрын
the three Counties is what I thought Delaware was known as and that the name is that of a British colonial proprietor De La Ware.
@JLAvey
@JLAvey 6 ай бұрын
I think Vermont would seriously dispute ever being part of New Yotk.
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
I think perhaps New York claiming Vermont as its own would be more correct, then?
@fcsuper
@fcsuper 5 ай бұрын
@@General.Knowledge Vermont was actually disputed territory between Massachusetts and New York colonies for a while, but with the royal formation of New Hampshire disrupting Massachusetts claims, it was difficult for them to impose their rights on the Vermont area.
@emberfist8347
@emberfist8347 5 ай бұрын
@@fcsuperAnd it was basically more like Texas a state that was previously a sovereign nation before joining the USA.
@krone5
@krone5 5 ай бұрын
@@emberfist8347 the way that NY lost VT was similar to how Mexico lost TX.
@ryerob4815
@ryerob4815 5 ай бұрын
I don't blame them. I don't think any state would want to say they have any parts to do with NY. Lived in two states now and all I hear is I hate NYers and Floridians when the conversation of tourists comes up.
@spencerwillits2766
@spencerwillits2766 6 ай бұрын
As a Minnesotan, I had no idea I used to be Virginian 😂
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
Everything is Virginia
@zombiefirebot6066
@zombiefirebot6066 6 ай бұрын
@@General.Knowledgeagreed
@matts4852
@matts4852 6 ай бұрын
Dang you must be old then
@zombiefirebot6066
@zombiefirebot6066 6 ай бұрын
@@matts4852 lmao
@jamesbednar8625
@jamesbednar8625 6 ай бұрын
As someone from NE Ohio, was part of Connecticut, also known as the Western Reserve. We have a lot of businesses in the region when I was growing up called during 1860s01879s with the title of "Western Reserve Bank" or whatever.
@edielungreen
@edielungreen 6 ай бұрын
There’s this guy from Portugal 🇵🇹 who has taught me a ton of American 🇺🇸 history ❤️😸. Thank you!
@flaneurnz
@flaneurnz 6 ай бұрын
Historically speaking, parts of Florida is now what is southern Alabama and Mississippi. Parts of Texas is in New Mexico, Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas and even Wyoming.
@fcsuper
@fcsuper 5 ай бұрын
Texas likes to make this claim, but really those regions were never under Texas control. Those claims were aspirational when they broke away from Mexico, similar to how Kentucky was claimed by New York at one point.
@andyjay729
@andyjay729 5 ай бұрын
Louisianans still call the parishes (counties) west of the Mississippi River and north of New Orleans "the Florida Parishes".
@C.R.W
@C.R.W 6 ай бұрын
There were several counties in West Virginia that expressed a desire to return to Virginia, but Virginia was like "Nah, we're good".
@BinaryTremor-vs1iv
@BinaryTremor-vs1iv 2 ай бұрын
It was more like Virginia: “Hey, Supreme Court, can we get the West Virginia territory returned?” Supreme Court “Hmm, nah. You guys were committing treason and losing territory is a fair punishment so shut up.”
@themanwithnoname4385
@themanwithnoname4385 Ай бұрын
It was Virginia wanting to be part of WV. Particularly under their former Democrat Governor, Ralph "Blackface" Northam
@maxxjackson26
@maxxjackson26 Ай бұрын
I would love to see you do a video on the formation of the Carolinas, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida from what was Carolana. Obviously, this is before the 1700s, but I think it would be a great addition to what information you have provided here.
@bryanmontgomery996
@bryanmontgomery996 6 ай бұрын
Arkansas is pronounced "Are-can-saw." Doesn't make sense, but it is.
@bj.bruner
@bj.bruner 6 ай бұрын
The reason is the same as with most of English's oddities: Blame the French
@fcsuper
@fcsuper 5 ай бұрын
@@bj.bruner Also, the name Arkansas has a completely different origin to Kansas. You think "Our Kansas", but no. they have totally different origin.
@brcooper209
@brcooper209 5 ай бұрын
We have the state of are-can-saw but the are-kansas river. Remember that next time you are in our state,for if you forget an arrest possibly is on the books. No joking,but can I’ve never heard of it being enforced
@mccorade5941
@mccorade5941 Ай бұрын
Short version: Arkansas and Kansas are gallicized (e.g. French) spellings of two different native American tribes, but American pioneers maintained the gallicized pronunciation of Arkansas, but anglicized the pronunciation of Kansas from "KAN-sah" to "KAN-zis".
@nostear8261
@nostear8261 6 ай бұрын
We didn’t break off from North Carolina they broke off from us
@Dmanepic
@Dmanepic 6 ай бұрын
Incorrect NC was first
@JesusOrDestruction
@JesusOrDestruction 6 ай бұрын
@@DmanepicSC*
@daltongalloway
@daltongalloway 6 ай бұрын
They were created at the same time 😂
@nostear8261
@nostear8261 6 ай бұрын
@@daltongalloway nope, as they started to separate and form their own government due to fighting the tuscora (no idea how to spell it)
@Dmanepic
@Dmanepic 6 ай бұрын
@@nostear8261 the first Carolinian colony was where north carolina is today
@DonPedroman
@DonPedroman 6 ай бұрын
Here in Spain Madrid split from New Castille (now Castille-La Mancha), Cantabria and Rioja split from Old Castille (wich was then merged with León to make Castille and León), and in general the provincial division of 1833 is a mine of territorial changes
@Ryuko-T72
@Ryuko-T72 5 ай бұрын
Vermont declared independence from the UK but was not allowed into the US until later due to New York claiming the territory.
@ignacioverboten9382
@ignacioverboten9382 5 ай бұрын
This was an excellent video. Great work, and very comprehensive!
@richardmartinez3078
@richardmartinez3078 6 ай бұрын
I think South Carolina should change it's name to palmetto, South Dakota to Sioux or Lakota, and west Virginia to Appalachia
@JesusOrDestruction
@JesusOrDestruction 6 ай бұрын
Why?
@aLadNamedNathan
@aLadNamedNathan 6 ай бұрын
Other names in the running for what to call West Virginia when it was being formed were Allegheny, Augusta, Vandalia, and Kanawha. Appalachia was not one of the names considered.
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
I agree! I think all of the break-away ones should change to something else that provides them with more unique identities.
@schs1977
@schs1977 6 ай бұрын
​@aLadNamedNathan I would have chosen Vandalia or Allegheny.
@Forg2
@Forg2 5 ай бұрын
Yesss leave Carolina to North Carolina 💪
@matthewwasser5621
@matthewwasser5621 5 ай бұрын
From what I understand, there are or, at least, been movements to split Texas and California into smaller states.
@ShonnMorris
@ShonnMorris 5 ай бұрын
There have been. Those two states are really their own regions and could have videos dedicated to them entirely.
@brucewellman
@brucewellman 4 ай бұрын
The harder part is how to draw the line and do you force SoCal to build desalination plants since they have no water.
@ShonnMorris
@ShonnMorris 4 ай бұрын
@@brucewellman The distribution of water is not up to states, it's under federal jurisdiction so this is a non issue.
@graceneilitz7661
@graceneilitz7661 4 ай бұрын
Without approval from the federal government, Texas can split itself up into five states. That is the only special thing Texas legally has that is different than other states.
@baldingfox77558
@baldingfox77558 6 ай бұрын
hey this is the video that was in the thumbnail of the german states one
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
Yes! 😂
@archstanton6102
@archstanton6102 6 ай бұрын
It is called a spoiler
@orlynguista8234
@orlynguista8234 25 күн бұрын
Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusettes, Connecticut, and RI should be one state.
@MrMackievelli
@MrMackievelli 6 ай бұрын
The part of Colorado that was part of Kansas is kind of a state split. Kansas was allowed to keep it if they wanted it but felt the gold mining attracted the wrong sort so gave it up.
@user-zx8de8op9l
@user-zx8de8op9l Ай бұрын
Well done
@brokenbravo83
@brokenbravo83 5 ай бұрын
Ever notice that Virginia goes more to the west than west Virginia does?
@uingaeoc3905
@uingaeoc3905 3 ай бұрын
Yep - it should be North Virginia.
@markgibbs904
@markgibbs904 6 ай бұрын
First time I’ve seen a map showing present day Tennessee being part of South Carolina since it was in a Tennessee history school book in the 80s.
@zach2382
@zach2382 6 ай бұрын
That shows Tennessee as being a part of North Carolina not south
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
North Carolina, yes!
@markgibbs904
@markgibbs904 5 ай бұрын
@@General.Knowledge what about the long narrow space in present day South Tennessee at 11:37 minutes. Says ceded by S Carolina to Georgia.
@Forg2
@Forg2 5 ай бұрын
@@markgibbs904the strip is nowadays part of Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia. All of Tennessee was under North Carolina
@nendwr
@nendwr 2 ай бұрын
@@markgibbs904 The strip ceded by South Carolina was meant to be between a line running west from the headwaters of the Savannah River and the 35th parallel (the border with North Carolina). What no-one knew at the time was that this didn't actually exist: the headwaters of the Savannah River are in North Carolina. And then just to add to the mess, the line surveyed as the 35th parallel was about a mile south of where it should have been, which is why the southern border of Tennessee isn't in fact the 35th parallel and there's a semi-serious Georgia-Tennessee water dispute.
@rafaumtgavioli
@rafaumtgavioli 6 ай бұрын
You could also talk about brazilian states that also split in two… and then split again… and again… again.
@otaviofrnazario
@otaviofrnazario 6 ай бұрын
this is an interesting topic as a brazilian... our federal constitution allows for new states, but it's a somewhat tricky process. Some of our states were once territories that became states. The last actual split happened in 1988, when Tocantins was created using what is basically the northern half of my homestate of Goiás. If you're brazilian, it's likely you have heard of all this
@rafaumtgavioli
@rafaumtgavioli 6 ай бұрын
Sim!!! E é um assunto interessante não só para nós brasileiros mas também para estrangeiros interessados em história! Não sabia que a constituição atual permite a criação de novos estados. Mas faz sentido de ser um processo complicado… pra não incentivar interesses abusivos
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
Good idea! But might be a little long of a video ahah
@bravotango1550
@bravotango1550 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. Nice information. However, the video itself, the production values, could be improved drastically. I'd recommend slowing the pace a bit, breathing between words, trying not to speak in a monotone throughout the video and using better recording equipment, because the audio is very difficult to follow.
@arjaygee
@arjaygee 6 ай бұрын
I completely reject the premise of the thumbnail. While it is true that West Virginia separated from Virginia after Virginia's statehood, the same cannot be said of the Carolinas or the Dakotas. The Carolinas were divided when Carolina was still a propietary colony of Great Britain, when the crown took South Carolina away from its proprietors and made it a royal colony. There was no splitting of states. There was the division of a colony. Likewise, there was no splitting of states with the Dakotas. The area comprising both present-day states (and parts of other states) was part of the Dakota Territory. In 1889, part of the Dakota Territory was admitted to the Union as the state of North Dakota, and part of it was admitted as South Dakota. It is false to state and disingenuous to imply that one state split from the other. The two states have precisely the same boundaries they had when they were created, and there was never a single Dakota state. Under your implied premise it would be correct to state that 1. North Dakota and South Dakota "split" from Minnesota because part of each present-day state belonged to Minnesota Territory from 1849-1861 2. Montana and Wyoming "split" from both North Dakota and South Dakota, because parts of present-day Montana and Wyoming were included in the Dakota Territory from 1861-1863 3. Even more ludicrously, that North Dakota and South Dakota "split" from Missouri, because parts of both states were included in the Missouri Territory from 1812-1821 states splitting ≠ colonies dividing ≠ subdivision of an organized unincorporated territory It seems to me that this video is presenting misinformation as "general knowledge." I expect better from this channel.
@aLadNamedNathan
@aLadNamedNathan 6 ай бұрын
I heartily agree with you saying that you expect better from this channel. You are correct that colonies and territories being split is not the same thing as states being split. The Constitution does not allow a new state to be erected within the territory of an existing state without that state's permission. There is no such thing as a state seceding from another state. That goes for West Virginia as well. It was granted permission to become a state by the pro-Union government of Virginia (which had an active presence in the U. S. Congress all during the Civil War). Other states have been created from the territory of older states, namely, Kentucky from Virginia, Tennessee from North Carolina, and Maine from Massachusetts. Vermont was created because its territory was disputed by New Hampshire, New York, and Massachusetts.
@fcsuper
@fcsuper 5 ай бұрын
The whole video has a ton of issues. It's one of the most poorly researched videos we've seen from this channel, ever.
@monkegames7432
@monkegames7432 4 ай бұрын
Great video, love the way it was shown👍
@user-ls8or7ps3o
@user-ls8or7ps3o 6 ай бұрын
The real cuestion here is, why Virginia is western than West Virginia?
@norbertdx
@norbertdx 6 ай бұрын
If im not mistaken, they did a video, and it explains it was due to slavery, West Virginia wasn't for slavery which is also why the map of D.C. doesn't square off in Virginia.
@chad_b
@chad_b 6 ай бұрын
I think the real question is what is a cuestion?
@MrAlsachti
@MrAlsachti 6 ай бұрын
And why Virginia is western than West Virginia?
@JesusOrDestruction
@JesusOrDestruction 6 ай бұрын
The actual real question is why is it not called North and south Virginia?
@hewitc
@hewitc 6 ай бұрын
@@chad_b do you have the anwser?
@romad357
@romad357 4 ай бұрын
The Carolinas never were one state. For a while they were one COLONY but then split into two colonies and those colonies joined these United States individually. The Dakotas also were never one state, however they were one TERRITORY. But Congess did not want to admit such a large territory as a single state so it split the territory in half and admitted both haves as states. While Virginia's secession from the Union was NOT recognized by the US Government, the Union army quickly occupied the western counties and then organized a vote of secession from Virginia (remember that the Federal government had said any secession vote was illegal) and admitted West Virginia in violation of the US Constitution Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1. It turned out that this ended up benefiting Virginia as those counties had long been a drag on Virginia. W. VA is still one of the suckiest states.
@frogger1674
@frogger1674 Ай бұрын
Even then Georgia was part of South Carolina longer then North Carolina, but we're always lumped in together just because of our names
@cobaltwolfknight
@cobaltwolfknight 2 ай бұрын
Joining states is politically disadvantageous, because they would lose representation in the Senate and Electoral College, and potentially also the House of Representatives. However, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico should be admitted as states.
@manuelgrothe608
@manuelgrothe608 4 ай бұрын
1:29 I activate the fusion spell Polymerization, to combine West Virginia and Virginia into one Unified State, I Fusion Summon, “United Virginia”
@cocasal001
@cocasal001 Ай бұрын
You should talk about the different efforts in different states to have parts of the state succeeded from each other, such as rural districts in Washington state and New York State
@Square1production
@Square1production 4 ай бұрын
This also almost happened with Pennsylvania. There was a movement to establish a 14th Frontier state with its capital at Fort Pitt, called Westsylvania. It would have included parts of what is now Maryland, Kentucky and West Virginia. Its eastern boundary would have been set following the centerline of the Appalachian Mountains, bending around to give Pennsylvania full control over both branches of the Susquehanna, connecting to a straight line northern border at 50 degrees, 51 minutes north. Which would join it to the Allegheny which would have set its western boundary as it merged into the Ohio. Its southwestern boundary would have been the straight line between the confluence of the Scioto and Ohio rivers and the Cumberland river. This would have resulted in a sort of Kansas like situation where all the settled places would be right on the border
@jongoodwin5936
@jongoodwin5936 5 ай бұрын
You're almost restarting a war by saying Vermont was carved out of New York State. There were a lot of New Hampshiremen who would have contested that idea. A major part of why Vermont was given statehood is that New York and New Hampshire were fighting over the area, and the NHmen living there refused to be ruled by New York.
@LiamDuffy-x4b
@LiamDuffy-x4b 6 ай бұрын
thank you for the video! amazing work!
@fcsuper
@fcsuper 5 ай бұрын
Technically, by the exact wording of Article IV Section 3 there is no provision for the splitting of states at all. The clause that disallows this does not have ANY exception statement. Only the uniting of states or the attaching parts of states to another state are allowed with consent of the affected state legislatures and Congress. There's no rule that allows the formation of a new state from pieces of an existing state. (Sometimes modern readers treat semi-colons like they are commas, but historically, statements contained within semi-colons create separate requirements from other statements within the same sentence. Basically, Article IV Section 3 is a run-on sentence that is made up of three separate statements, and therefore three separate requirements. 1) New states can be admitted by Congress. 2) No new state shall be formed by splitting up an existing state. 3) States can be combined, and pieces of states can be moved from one state to another only with the approval of the affected state legislators and Congress. West Virginia was allowed to split from Virginia because Virginia wasn't a state at the time due to its rebellion during the Civil War, as noted in the video. The other example of a state being formed from the territory of another state was Maine from Massachusetts. This is the only case that is arguably a violation of Article IV Section 3, but even it was formed via a loophole. Although Maine was governed by Massachusetts, it was considered more of a possession than an integral part of Massachusetts.
@ferretyluv
@ferretyluv 5 ай бұрын
*its
@fcsuper
@fcsuper 5 ай бұрын
@@ferretyluv Yeah, I could blame the typo on Swipe, which pushes "it's" almost exclusively these days. But I still should have caught its mistake. :)
@csolisr
@csolisr 5 ай бұрын
That reminds me, why wasn't East Virginia officially called retroactively as such after splitting from West Virginia?
@jdotoz
@jdotoz 4 ай бұрын
Because they didn't split from West Virginia, West Virginia was split from them. Why would they change their name?
@csolisr
@csolisr 4 ай бұрын
@@jdotoz Oh. Same reason why we don't have a North Sudan I suppose?
@EurypteridFossil
@EurypteridFossil 6 ай бұрын
vermont was kinda of awesome, they immediately outlawed slavery and almost decided to join canada if New York didn’t stop bullying it
@ErixSamson
@ErixSamson 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting!
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I think so too!
@janoswimpffen7305
@janoswimpffen7305 Ай бұрын
The WV - VA split was the only actual breaking up of a state. ND & SD were separated at their creation while NC & SC were created as separate colonies, long before they were states.
@Idkwhattoputhere12351
@Idkwhattoputhere12351 Ай бұрын
Virginia used to be so large
@ThootenTootinTabootin
@ThootenTootinTabootin Ай бұрын
I never noticed that West Virginia and Virginia fit so neatly together.
@davidlearn8239
@davidlearn8239 Ай бұрын
Split because of politics.
@r.c.brousseau9655
@r.c.brousseau9655 4 ай бұрын
As always, a very interested presentation. That said, this presentation could have benefitted from a slightly slower vocal delivery.
@MrAlsachti
@MrAlsachti 6 ай бұрын
The name Washington is confusing. They should have named the state Tacoma.
@davidhunt6508
@davidhunt6508 6 ай бұрын
There's a lot more to the state than just Tacoma.
@michaelvandeginste3497
@michaelvandeginste3497 6 ай бұрын
I thought it would be cool if they named their state Ranier, after the mountain.
@emberfist8347
@emberfist8347 5 ай бұрын
No that would led to some awkward situations since you are naming it after a specific city. Washington isn’t that confusing as the Nation’s capital has the D.C. or District of Columbia added to it.
@blakekaveny
@blakekaveny 5 ай бұрын
@@emberfist8347naming it after a specific city are we gonna pretend Oklahoma City doesn’t exist
@Trancymind
@Trancymind Ай бұрын
@@blakekaveny Oklahoma City doesn't exist because of the tornadoes.
@Jayce1701
@Jayce1701 4 ай бұрын
Great video, very informative. I like that redrawing borders has already been accounted for, but I don't think the "Mother state" should get a say in a new state cleaving off/forming. If the new state doesn't like the way it's being treated/not represented, the "Mother state" shouldn't get a say to keep them subservient. If they want to form and do their own thing, good for them!
@brenquil
@brenquil 5 ай бұрын
First, I love your videos and find them all super interesting and well done! 👏 Unrelated to this video, could you do a video about the diaspora of European countries? (The area I grew up has a seemingly random pocket of people with Portuguese descent - bonus points if you can guess where that is 😎). Thank you! 😊
@zanti4132
@zanti4132 5 ай бұрын
I don't think the video is completely accurate on the approval needed for a state to split. As defined in Article IV, Section III of the Constitution, approval is needed from Congress as well as the parent state, not just the state. Undoubtedly, it's the congressional approval that would be the big holdup, as the party that didn't benefit politically would block the split. For example, if liberal California decided to split into two states, the Republicans would block it, as the split would likely add two Democratic senators.
@DevinBrooking
@DevinBrooking 3 ай бұрын
Fun fact the territory that says its "Claimed by Virginia" well thats bc it was given to my home town Orange long ago, the video, "A Brief History of Orange VA" is a good video made by the historical society there
@fraliexb
@fraliexb 5 ай бұрын
7:56 only difference between one Dakota verses two Dakotas, is senators. House of Reps is based on population, so it wouldn't change. 2 vs 4 for senate.
@rabitec.
@rabitec. 6 ай бұрын
9:00 I always thought Louisiana was a French colony, but apparently I rmemeber wrong
@fcsuper
@fcsuper 5 ай бұрын
There are several issues with statements made throughout this video. It comes from precursory-level investigation. It doesn't seem like even Wikipedia was used.
@lazygongfarmer2044
@lazygongfarmer2044 5 ай бұрын
Louisiana was founded by France in 1682, but the French gave it up to Spain to avoid the British taking it in 1762. The population stayed mostly French though, and France reacquired Louisiana in 1800, before selling it to the US in 1803
@Worldaffairslover
@Worldaffairslover Ай бұрын
The Dakotas need to be one state.
@26snoopy82
@26snoopy82 5 ай бұрын
North Carolina and South Carolina split during a big Indian war in 1700-1711. Called the tuscarora indian war.
@tomfoogle6403
@tomfoogle6403 6 ай бұрын
But… why did they split? Dakota, Carolina? I didn’t see why lol
@zach2382
@zach2382 6 ай бұрын
Like say it in the video there were different needs for the two colonies so they were split and there were different people coming into both of the Dakotas so they were split
@bobjohnson9201
@bobjohnson9201 5 ай бұрын
The Dakotas were split over largely due to the change of location of the territory capital from Yankton SD to Bismarck ND in the middle of the night. There was so much animosity that the president had to shuffle the papers so he did not know which state was being signed first. North Dakota is accredited with being the 39th state instead of the 40th because it comes first alphabetically.
@bonecanoe86
@bonecanoe86 5 ай бұрын
West Virginia split from Virginia to get away from terrible Virginia drivers
@mikeydiggs4797
@mikeydiggs4797 5 ай бұрын
Dude you ain't lying😂😂😂either worst drivers or biggest assholes
@orlynguista8234
@orlynguista8234 25 күн бұрын
West Virginia, Maryland should redraw their maps to give or change territory with each other or with another neighboring state so their territories do not have thin strips of land sticking out.
@craigritchie8470
@craigritchie8470 4 ай бұрын
Being from NC I always tell people that SC is the swamp land NC didn’t want. 🙂
@giulianococco887
@giulianococco887 6 ай бұрын
The states that were created out of the original form that were together keep their original boundaries since when they got statehood
@AkiraleTorimaki
@AkiraleTorimaki 4 ай бұрын
When was Rhode Island ever a part of Connecticut (or vice versa)?
@sethwpierce
@sethwpierce 3 ай бұрын
Never. Rhode Island was a couple of separate colonies (Newport, Providence, and Portsmouth) that formed together to create one big colony that would ultimately turn into Rhode Island. Fun fact - 1st colony to declare independence from Britain (May 4th, 1776) and last of the original 13 to sign on to the Constitution.
@SpaceBoiYT
@SpaceBoiYT 4 ай бұрын
where is east virginia?
@RedWingsninetyone
@RedWingsninetyone 4 ай бұрын
There are a couple of states that I could see splitting and maybe a territory or two that could become new states. However, I think there's also too much nostalgia and focus on having 50 states for any of that to happen.
@tshx1
@tshx1 6 ай бұрын
watching most of your videos on my TV, I really appreciate you not using that very bright white canvas! Also, very interesting topic!
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
That's a good point! I actually have noticed that an increasing number of my viewers watch my videos via TV. So I'll take this more into account moving forward :)
@jasonhatt4295
@jasonhatt4295 Ай бұрын
One day, perhaps a questing hero will reunite these states which did divide.
@OldDemonTooth
@OldDemonTooth 5 ай бұрын
Great video but PLEASE up your audio levels. All of your videos are very hard to hear.
@zach2382
@zach2382 4 ай бұрын
Or you can turn up the volume on your computer or laptop
@archivesincomplete
@archivesincomplete Ай бұрын
Woah, I never noticed. Old big Virgina is about the same shape as new small Virginia.
@sharptoothtrex4486
@sharptoothtrex4486 Ай бұрын
Even if Virginia and West Virginia unified again as Virginia might help cooperate. Then I believe North and South Dakota united as Dakota sounds terrific. Finally, North and South Carolina unified as Carolina goes from 50 to 47 states as examples.
@abxorb
@abxorb 6 ай бұрын
Gosto de ouvir um pouco do seu sotaque Português Europeu quando vc pronuncia palavras da Latina ou das linguas românicas (como "Carolus"). 😊 Obgd para seus videos como sempre ! Saudações dos Paises-Baixos ! ♥ PS: estou ainda a aprender Português, desculpa para qualquer erros 😅
@mariajoaoferrazdeabreu150
@mariajoaoferrazdeabreu150 6 ай бұрын
Great video.
@josueveguilla9069
@josueveguilla9069 6 ай бұрын
Why did some countries split in two?
@General.Knowledge
@General.Knowledge 6 ай бұрын
Good idea!
@archstanton6102
@archstanton6102 6 ай бұрын
Sudan, New Guinea, Czech/slovakia
@emberfist8347
@emberfist8347 5 ай бұрын
@@archstanton6102Sudan didn’t split into two as it was instead the south seceding from Sudan. Also New Guinea was never united as nation having been divided as a colony by the Dutch, British and Germans. The present borders were made after the Treaty of Versailles meant Germany couldn’t have any overseas colonies so their land was annexed by the UK.
@archstanton6102
@archstanton6102 5 ай бұрын
@@emberfist8347 how is South Sudan seceding not Sudan spliiting in 2? Whilst not equal sizes, the country now has 2 parts.
@emberfist8347
@emberfist8347 5 ай бұрын
@@archstanton6102 That would imply there was new North Sudan.
@EvanBengalfan1
@EvanBengalfan1 5 ай бұрын
I thought north and South Carolina was already split in the 13 colonies but weren’t a whole state
@davidpumpkinsjr.5108
@davidpumpkinsjr.5108 5 ай бұрын
When the Civil War was over, they should have made the state on the losing side take the name "East Virginia" and let the state on the winning side just be "Virginia".
@jdotoz
@jdotoz 4 ай бұрын
If only we went with the state suicide theory...
@zach2382
@zach2382 6 ай бұрын
How many Virginians are going to be in the comments saying we don’t need West Virginia As one of the biggest examples of a group of people not getting over the fact that the south lost the Civil War
@otaviofrnazario
@otaviofrnazario 6 ай бұрын
I once was on a video of Take me Home Country Roads by the late great John Denver (state song of West Virginia). A virginian commmented "your secession is illegal, but it gave us a kicka** of a song"
@aLadNamedNathan
@aLadNamedNathan 6 ай бұрын
@@otaviofrnazario Actually, West Virginia did not secede from Virginia, as the U. S. Constitution does not allow for that. What actually happened was that there was a Unionist government of Virginia which was recognized by the Federal government all during the Civil War. This pro-Union Virginia government granted West Virginia's petition to become a state, in line with the Constitutional requirements. Another problem for all Confederate governments is that the states are joined in a perpetual union, so no state has the right to secede in the first place.
@baneofbanes
@baneofbanes 6 ай бұрын
@@otaviofrnazariothat’s fucking hilarious.
@AbSoluTc
@AbSoluTc Ай бұрын
You say that as if people from Virginia are redneck hicks living in that time. It's 2024, very few people think that way and it's bs. The people that do think that way are idiots. Move on and who cares. Same with people that say VA is in the south. It's not, it's literally the center of the east coast. Then they go on and say, not according to the mason Dixon line. Ok, are we still living in that time frame? No. Move on. So damn stupid.
@bsicc
@bsicc 5 ай бұрын
2:43 sliiiiight correction due to my OCD. "DECLARED independence in 1776". It wasn't until 1783 that the original 13 finally "got independence"
@jdotoz
@jdotoz 4 ай бұрын
We count independence from 1776. The Declaration was written as a statement of existing fact, that the colonies were at that point free and independent states. The Treaty of Paris is regarded as a recognition of that fact, not as an act making it so.
@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781
@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 5 ай бұрын
1:11 but west virginia,s succession was not approved by Virginia
@emberfist8347
@emberfist8347 5 ай бұрын
It was approved in 1867 by the Union occupation government.
@blakekaveny
@blakekaveny 5 ай бұрын
Yes it was . It was approved by the union recognized legislature
@jdotoz
@jdotoz 4 ай бұрын
It's called "finding out."
@michaelreilly569
@michaelreilly569 2 ай бұрын
You are absolutely right. The West Virginia statehood was never approved by the Virginia Govt., and thus doesn't meet the US Constitutional requirement for statehood. Legally, West Virginia is not a state, but is an area of the State of Virginia.
@jdotoz
@jdotoz 2 ай бұрын
@@michaelreilly569 No, the legitimate government of Virginia at the time approved it.
@corywalker842
@corywalker842 Ай бұрын
The fact West Virginia disnt call themselves Left Virginia is one of the biggest missed opportunities in history.
@Trioptic3D
@Trioptic3D 4 ай бұрын
Can you expand on this video if you haven't already explained the Unorganized currently possessions like Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands.
@johnsmartin1473
@johnsmartin1473 4 ай бұрын
Tank you un million de gracias
@selfdo
@selfdo 4 ай бұрын
North Carolina should further split into East and West Carolina. Hell, they've ALREADY got their own named University, East Carolina U (The Pirates).
@Civil_Maniac
@Civil_Maniac 6 ай бұрын
The Utah territory got so diced up. It would be an interesting video
@Mbarnstein62891
@Mbarnstein62891 6 ай бұрын
We all know why the Virginias split without watching. Don't know why the Carolinas and the Dakotas split, so it is worth watching.
@NR77Gaming
@NR77Gaming 6 ай бұрын
isn't part of east Washington trying to rejoin with Idaho?
@lp-xl9ld
@lp-xl9ld 6 ай бұрын
Oregon, actually, but you've got the right idea.
@callmefleet
@callmefleet 5 ай бұрын
@@lp-xl9ld primarily east Oregon but some of east Washington wants to switch as well. Idaho's about the become the first Idahoan Empire
@karenrobuck8018
@karenrobuck8018 6 ай бұрын
The land ceded by Georgia and the lands to the Gulf of Mexico became the Mississippi-Alabama Territory, which was forced to split before statehood. I think the reason given was that the state would be too big otherwise. CA and NY need to split.
@kmichaelp4508
@kmichaelp4508 Ай бұрын
Well Georgia didn’t cede land until 1802. So, well, you’re wrong. Sorry
@karenrobuck8018
@karenrobuck8018 Ай бұрын
@@kmichaelp4508 Only about the GA part. I'm from MS, so I know why MS and AL are two different states.
@rudymummey5432
@rudymummey5432 Ай бұрын
And Delaware was once a southern county of Pennsylvania.
@arcdeep
@arcdeep 4 ай бұрын
if it really wanted to, Texas’s constitution legally allows it to split into 5 separate states, although i don’t know if texas would want to do that
@jnzooger
@jnzooger 5 ай бұрын
California needs to become 3 states. With the Northern most part taking part of Oregon with it as Jefferson. Washington needs to split off the east and merge it with the Idaho panhandle. Long Island and NYC need to split off of NY state. The panhandle of Florida needs to split off maybe taking the bottoms of Alabama and Mississippi with it. Texas needs to split in half making Lincoln. The upper part of Michigan needs to split off. Nevada could be split in half as well. We also should bring In Puerto Rico and the us VI as one state and Guam as another, possibly as part of a Micronesia state. Make it an even 60.
@hoodboyzAtl
@hoodboyzAtl 5 ай бұрын
North and South Carolina was never one big state
@jampasurprenant1794
@jampasurprenant1794 5 ай бұрын
I live in the state of Connecticut I know the states were spitting up In the early years but I don't know what it is all about . Thank you for the history of all the states . In the united States.
@jdotoz
@jdotoz 4 ай бұрын
The Union didn't see Virginia as "a state of their enemy," they saw Virginia, like all the Confederate states, as areas in rebellion. In some places, like Virginia, there were enough pro-Union people to create a rival state government which was regarded as the legitimate one. This government gave its consent to the split, which is constitutionally required.
@Sincerely-Yours-Dave-In-SF-CA
@Sincerely-Yours-Dave-In-SF-CA 5 ай бұрын
The panhandle of Oklahoma should be absorbed into Texas & California should be split up into three states: Northern California, Southern California & the Sacramento & San Joaquin Valleys should be combined into the third state of Central California.
@jacobwitt2070
@jacobwitt2070 5 ай бұрын
As a Minnesotan, I whole heatedly believe it should be split in two, with the Southeast corner (to include the twin cities) should be its own state. Rural Minnesotans despise the politics of the metropolitan area and we feel betrayed.
@bobjohnson9201
@bobjohnson9201 5 ай бұрын
Something similar has been proposed in Oregon or Washington, I forget which. The Eastern part of the state wants to join Idaho.
@alnitaka
@alnitaka 2 ай бұрын
Immigration and the border have nothing to do with the splitting of states.
@joshuadesautels
@joshuadesautels 5 ай бұрын
After Virginia seceded from the Union, West Virginia seceded from Virginia.
@Irishfan
@Irishfan 4 ай бұрын
No new states, no split ups. We have enough stars on the flag!
@dlfjessup
@dlfjessup 5 ай бұрын
1:38 “This is the only true case of a state split.” This statement is wrong. There were three true cases of state splits: 1. Kentucky from Virginia in 1792. (Yes, I know you say that this is a colony split later in the video. This is incorrect. Virginia ratified the Constitution with Kentucky within its boundaries and the Virginia counties that would become Kentucky formed Virginia's 2nd Congressional District with one John Brown as the elected representative from 1789 to 1792,) 2. Maine from Massachusetts in 1820. 3. West Virginia from Virginia in 1863.
@slambamcam
@slambamcam Ай бұрын
What about New Jersey and New York
@michaelscheel9533
@michaelscheel9533 6 ай бұрын
This video ftis with the other about which states could split further. Seven from Califorina.
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