Why did they DISAPPEAR from Slavic languages?

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@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

(English below) Merci à @Мєтодипоискатєљ de m'avoir conseillé la source dont je parle dans la vidéo, qui a le grand avantage de faire le tour des principales théories relatives à cette question et de formuler une hypothèse intéressante pour y répondre. Gardez toutefois en tête qu'il s'agit d'une question particulièrement débattue et que la réponse formulée dans la vidéo n'en est qu'une parmi de nombreuses autres ! Thanks to @Мєтодипоискатєљ for recommending the source I talk about in the video, which has the great advantage of covering the main theories on this question and formulating an interesting hypothesis to answer it. Keep in mind, however, that this is a particularly debated question and that the answer formulated in the video is only one among many others!

@liamoffer8339 Ай бұрын

Une petite correction-- en anglais on ne dit pas "Why did they disappeared". Avec le mot "did" on utilise la forme présente du verbe alors on dirait "Why did they disappear". Bonne vidéo et merci pour votre travail! Je suis un vrai fan de votre chaîne!

@sjuns5159 Ай бұрын

Plus précis: "disappear" c'est en ce cas une infinitive. Pour ça on peut pas dire par exemple "He did can.": "can" n'a pas forme d'infinitive

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

Ouhla mais oui ! Merci, c'est corrigé !

@sortingoutmyclothes8131 Ай бұрын

I remember wondering once why the Proto-PIE *-om had evolved to -o in Proto-Slavic neuters, but to -ъ in Proto-Slavic masculine accusatives, unlike other PIE languages (like -um in Latin for both neuters and masculine accusatives, -on for Greek ones, -am for Sanskrit ones, etc.). What I found was that it's really hard to research this question, and at the end of the day, the answer is still very much up for debate, although the answer you gave, the pronominal *-od taking over the neuter *-om ending and then evolving differently from it (to -o and not to -ъ) is the most accepted one, but I've also seen others. I remember I spend a good few weeks looking that up instead of doing actual work I had to do at the time haha.

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

Yes, actually, when I started this video, I had in mind another theory (for -os as well as for -om) I read somewhere else, and I was not conscious how debated all these theories are. I almost abandoned the video while making it, but the source I'm talking about in the video somehow made a good summary of the existing theories as well as the hypothesis I eventually mentionned in the video. But yes, it's actually interesting how far this simple question makes us go!

@prywatne4733 29 күн бұрын

I think that's interesting, especially because I've only seen the *-od ending in demonstratives: in *id/*yod (neuter of *is/*yos, whence Proto-Slavic "*je" and Latin "id") and in *tod (whence Polish "to" and English "that")

@blackbliz8246 Ай бұрын

C’est une magnifique chaîne que je viens de découvrir aujourd’hui !

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

Oh merci, ça fait plaisir !

@rblue2946 Ай бұрын

Merci pour le travail !

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

Merci ! Ca me fait plaisir de voir qu'il est apprécié !

@їжакоднако Ай бұрын

How slavic I like that you're interested about us. Thanks for so detailed and interesting explanation!

@l.m1990 Ай бұрын

Je viens de découvrir cette chaîne Les langues slaves doivent être plus célébrées

@marias.9613 Ай бұрын

Qn. saurait dire s'il y a un lien entre la désinence -go du génitif/(accusatif) singulier pronominal en slave avec le "redoublement de l'objet", comme on le nomme, la marque essentielle en langue macédonienne ? Ex: Ние ГО гледаме филмОТ.

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

Oui, tout à fait, la désinence en -go est une désinence qui, à l'origine, est pronominale, et qui a été étendue, dans les langues slaves, à certains adjectifs au génitif / accusatif animé, de la façon expliquée dans cette vidéo : kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGHdkIekn8ysbpY le pronom го est quant à lui une version courte du pronom него, donc c'est bien de la même désinence pronominale qu'il s'agit.

@marias.9613 Ай бұрын

@@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Благодарам ! Merci pour Votre prompte et claire réponse.

@xolang 12 күн бұрын

Thank you for another great video! Next time when talking about İndoeuropean origins perhaps you could also give examples from İndic or İranian languages, like Sanskrit for example. Just a suggestion. 😁 Thanks again and keep up the great work!

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics 11 күн бұрын

Thanks :) I'll think about it, obviously I have no sufficient knowledge of these languages to really speak about them or make real connections with Slavic languages, but it's true I might find a few occasions to give examples!

@xolang 11 күн бұрын

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Actually İ only checked Wikipedia to look up things in Sanskrit. İ cannot read Devanagari after all. 😅 İ was certainly surprised to see similarities between Sanskrit and Slovene in their dual verb conjugation. Considering the huge distance between that two language, not only geographically but also temporally.

@Релёкс84 Ай бұрын

Très intéressant ! Quelqu'un saurait d'où vient la désinence -go du génitif singulier pronominal en Slave ? Il semblerait qu'elle n'ait d'équivalent nulle part, pas même en Balte.

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

Alors, voici un passage tiré de la source que je mentionne dans la vidéo (p138) : Since we find an unambiguous reflex of an original pronominal genitive ending in PS *kesa (CS *česo), it is to begin with more likely that PS *‑aga (CS *‑ogo) also somehow reflects a pronominal genitive ending. I am therefore more inclined to think that PS *‑aga reflects an irregular phonetic development of PBS *‑asa, perhaps caused by the fact that the ending contains two identical vowels (cf. the different scenario assumed by Rasmussen 1987a/1999: 122-124). This development is similar to the Russian development of g to v in the ending ‑ogo, with a parallel in Slovincian, which is due to a late weakening of [ɡ] to [γ] to [v] between two identical vowels (Stang 1969a: 75-76). It is evident, however, that the explanation by a sporadic sound change is purely ad hoc.

@pierreabbat6157 Ай бұрын

Pourquoi l'accusatif de la 2nde déclinaison est le génitif animé ou le nominatif inanimé?

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

La réponse se trouve dans cette vidéo : kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2bUfnisi6mnp6s Elle ne parle pas de toutes les langues slaves, mais le fonctionnement devrait être le même un peu partout.

@astrOtuba Ай бұрын

Why is the patron's nickname blured in the end?

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

@@astrOtuba Aha, yes, because I wanted to have the permission to put his name

@astrOtuba Ай бұрын

@@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics isn't it a rule of thumb that nicknames of patrons are displayed in end credits?

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

@@astrOtuba Well perhaps! I'm new at this actually, so I may be too cautious. In my original understanding of things, people may want to help and stay out of the credits!

@druginys 27 күн бұрын

1:20 I didn't quite understand what "-an" was. One hundred in Lithuanian - ŠIMTAS

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics 27 күн бұрын

So, yes, the thing is in Lithuanian, neutre gendre doesn't exist anymore, that's why I couldn't put an equivalent ending and I couldn't use the word šimtas, which has a masculine ending. Instead, I put the neutre ending of another Baltic language, Old Prussian, which had a neutre gender with endings that are comparable to the one I'm talking about in the video. And this ending is -an.

@Serendip98 24 күн бұрын

En ukrainien, c'est "вовк", comme quoi il y a hésitation entre les sons l, v et w (en polonais). Mais le plus étrange, c'est la tendance de l'ukrainien à remplacer les 'o' russes par des 'i', comme pour l'aéroport de Borispol, qui s'appelle en ukrainien Borispil (ou la chanson 'Tseli ïiiï', "Embrasse-la", en russe ïeïo). Comment peut-on assimiler le o et le i ? Mystère.

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics 23 күн бұрын

Pour le changement o -> i en ukrainien, il y a cette vidéo : kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZzYiYmfeZ6IkKc Et sinon il y aura sûrement une vidéo qui parlera de ce qui s'est passé, entre autres, avec le mot "вовк" dans les mois qui arrivent !

@jaimebenito620 Ай бұрын

Do you not know how to write the title of the video in French?

@Rozum-Razum_Slavic-linguistics Ай бұрын

I'm not sure I understand. I enter two versions of the title and the description of each video, one in French, the other in English. Then I have no control on to whom KZbin decides to show the French and the English version