Why Didn't The Rebellion Use DROIDS To Fight the Empire?

[@GenerationTech]

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[@motherteresa8418]

I aren't droids sentient. Choppers friend broke is programing

[@motherteresa8418]

Why not say the Storm troopers were droids. We'd see their skin anyway

[@motherteresa8418]

Women have less consequence when voting for war in fact more power to gain being more the majority vote

[@lukesearle1302]

Sorry, my ability to write comments seems to be limited. I can just do replies. I think it's because the Separatists, where companies, the Rebelion, where individuals. Building thousands of Droids was far more complicated, it took large kilometre long factories to build the Separatists army. Most star fighters were custom built in garages around the Empire.

[@bobsterclause342]

Well, think of it. The guy who ran the enemy was the emperor. SO gues who knows where all the droids to scrap were? Yeah, after 20 years I doubt there were droids laying around. Besided knowing all the factories and deployments, he can offer a bounty for scraping them, and most people, beleiving the propaganda would simply be more than hapy to not only make certain that no droid can be reporgramed or reverse engineered but take a slightly higher payment, even if the process took more time and effort and was grueling over all. In fact, I'm sure they would be fine turning it into the emprires scrap yards for cheap. I;m usre it was law too.

[@polishscribe674]

Main answer? Not give the Empire something they can use for propaganda.

[@gamerg884]

Yeah, Rex didn't approve

[@kyrios443]

Well actually they did use it as propaganda anyway. A lot of Rebels were Sep’s in fact and the empire knew it.

[@kyrios443]

​@@homer6292well....no, not everyone.

[@1ofthe3]

Yes! Let’s not forget Order 66 and how that went down. Funding was an issue. The empire had more control in the droid market. The rebels were forced to use guerrilla warfare

[@arbiter690]

That still didn't stop the Rebel Alliance from utilizing CIS starships, vehicles, weapons, equipment and droids too. There are numerous examples of this being done with Droidekas, B1s, Lucrehulk-class Battleships, Providence class Dreadnoughts and more.

[@vikingsword3485]

I think the biggest problem would be manufacturing. Rebels were constantly on the run and would have to leave bases at a moments notice

[@malaficus]

​@Homer They would need to get the resources to craft everything from ships, to blasters, to microships, etc. Those things can be tracked. Remember how trawn found their base in rebels by comparing their escape routes. A large amount of large ore is way easier to track.

[@vikingsword3485]

@Homer It could work on a small scale. The two biggest problems that come to mind would be supply lines and the loss of speed for the ship.

[@cj-ace]

Lucrahulks could be be used to manufacture near a hidden system until fully mobilized. That means only that system could be used by it. No info going in and out until time.

[@andromedagalaxynebula5751]

Battle Droids would be used for battle confrontations against imperial forces like o scarif, Hoth, and Jakku.

[@sjneow]

How is that any different than the ships and fighters they use though?

[@evening_star]

More than likely, I'd imagine them not wanting to be associated with the Separatist forces, making them seem like the "enemies of democracy" towards inner core worlds. Even though they already appear like that, it'd look even worse on their part

[@enbentz]

In what way do the rebels appear like "enemies of democracy" in the current Star Wars canon? My viewpoint of the rebels is that they are enemies of autocracy/ dictatorship. I agree that them using CIS droids would cause confusion and change their public appearance in that way, but otherwise, how is it that they come across as anti-democracy?

[@seifer447]

​@@enbentzIt'd be easier to paint them that way with Imperial propaganda. ThebRebels don't have the same far reaching state media that the Empire has, and the CIS is still pretty fresh jn many people's minds.

[@enbentz]

@@seifer447 yes, I agreed to that in my comment. It seems you've misunderstood. I'm asking how they come across as anti-democracy in current canon where they are not using CIS droids.

[@seifer447]

@@enbentz Ah, my mistake. It would be difficult for the Empire to say the Rebellion is the enemy of democracy after the senate was abolished.

[@evening_star]

@@enbentzThat's what the empire would spin in it to be, not how they actually appear

[@jotheunissen9274]

I love how they brought B1 and other droids back in Jedi Survivor Always liked their dialogue and personality in CW

[@Wzrd8]

I think we all want an open world war sim of the clone wars.

[@jotheunissen9274]

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[@josephmother2659]

@@Wzrd8 EA could have made a Star Wars game in 30 different genres for 10 years and did nothing thank god they won’t be handling them anymore

[@Wzrd8]

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[@cakecwkecake7479]

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[@Hehe.3.]

I’ve been thinking about this thing recently, it wouldn’t break the lore or even be all that unusual to see in canon. CIS assets probably WERE used and we just haven’t seen it on screen often. CIS planets and rebel planets probably overlapped a lot. There were also probably CIS vets in the rebel alliance. More extreme rebel partisans would probably not care about the image conflicts with using CIS assets. I thought it would be incredibly cool to see rebel star fighter livery on CIS star fighters. (Y wing paint on hyenas, A wing paint on trifighters etc). Or even battle droids customized by their living compatriots or themselves (poor upkeep and less memory wipes could cause an emergence of personalities like R2 and other “main character” droids)

[@Hehe.3.]

A rebellion era droid show could do for droids what the TCW show did for clones in terms of humanization.

[@Agarricus]

There was at least one early rebel faction (helped/led by nightswan in the newer thrawn books) that did use droid forces, though I think that was mainly buzz and vulture droids

[@dustronyt4565]

@@Hehe.3. shut up and take my money

[@mpnuorva]

The droid army was given a shutdown order because it was a literally manufactured threat by Palpatine. If the Empire had any sense it would decommission most of it to prevent any rebel movements from getting cheap assets.

[@discodench]

As with most problems in SW land, the simple and true answer of "writing and production limitations" is usually the simple answer.

[@adamwolf9419]

You have to remember that the Rebels were fighting both an ideological battle and a physical one against the Empire. The galaxy had been traumatized by the Clone Wars, and the reason why people loved the Empire so much at first was because they feared the CIS. The Rebels ultimate goal was to show these hardcore believers that their choosing the Empire was wrong, but for the Rebels to simply use battle droids would only make those imperials more devoted. Despite being partially composed of former CIS holdouts, the Rebels had to distance their image from the image of the CIS because they needed the galaxy to view them differently. They weren’t a bunch of Separatists trying to establish their own government, they were a group of idealists trying to restore democracy and freedom to the galaxy.

[@drakenman4256]

T-1 Tactical Droids that were still operating became part of the Rebel Officer Corps. I wonder how all those years of fighting and calculating turned out in the tactical droid. Hopefully we will see more of them in shows or movies.

[@Kubinda12345]

I think that you forgot one important factor which is that the battle droids were heavily associated with the CIS. The vast majority of the rebels' leadership was on Republic's side during the Clone Wars so they probably had a dislike towards the battle droids. Additionally if the rebels used battle droids, it would be very easy for the Empire to paint the rebels as a continuation of the CIS which would be very difficult for the rebels to gain support in the formerly Republican rich core worlds.

[@battlerifleproductions7840]

Hey generation tech, I was wondering why did the basic stormtrooper armor remain unchanged for over a decade while the clone trooper armor underwent upgrades and changes over a span of 3 years?

[@dawfydd]

Rebels couldn't hold planets or ground to have factories, plus hit and run with massive armies of droids is less effective. and there is the overall thing where lucas wasn't 100% on fleshing out the clone wars in episodes 4-6 so they can't be heavily featured.

[@warmox1215]

But if the rebel alliance uses droids to garrison and be emergency back up, or be POGs the rebellion can have a lot of extra manpower that can be used for the stealth missions. Additionally, the droids can act as tripwires, they can have an "all-clear" signal like the one on rishi moon and if a droid gets destroyed, the rebels would know where and when it happened.

[@nathanhall4156]

Droids make excellent logistical support units. Drivers who never tire on convoy, security details that are always on watch, and personnel always prepared to sacrifice themselves if necessary.

[@solarissv777]

actually, drivers, that don't take any livable space inside vehicles. Also, watching reports from the real war (in Ukraine), it seems that human fatigue is a huge factor often understated in media, and droids don't have this problem, as well as issues with morale and cohesion. Also they don't loot, rape and consume mind altering substances.

[@BrianHarkness]

If I were in Star Wars and helping lead the Rebellion I would definitely reactivate any Droid factories and rebuild the separatist army and Navy to combat the Empire and the Providence destroyer had a model that was the same length and size of a Star Destroyer which would be the ideal one to produce

[@monttrap8384]

I will always rank this as the top lore channel for any series I'm into simply for being willing to admit the truth up front before getting into the post hoc stuff people came up with to cover plot holes. Those ass-covering explanations are often the most fun part of a series, but I appreciate when people are grounded enough to just admit simple reasons like "they weren't planning on it from the beginning and added it later."

[@Curious_Comet_]

Animation so smooth in this one good shit man

[@quantemwensday]

using droids in a larger military role the empire would've been more serious about wiping out the rebellion

[@colresswesker8912]

I think there was a stigma and fear within the Rebel Alliance of being branded as just an extension of the Separatists, which resulted in the Alliance trying to distance itself from surviving Separatists. Going too far in that direction would have made it easier for the Imperial propaganda machine to play on people's fear from the Clone Wars. It's also wildly unclear in Star Wars continuity just how expensive droids are. "We're cheaper than droids and easier to replace." from Andor is one of the more recent examples of dialogue that seems to suggest that fielding a droids might be harder than it seems.

[@TheYak2266]

Hard targets are vulnerable. Manufacturing centers would always be targeted down and they wouldn't be able to evacuate them. During the clone wars, there were more established battle lines creating controlled space; so factories could be protected. In the rebellion, they didn't really have any controlled space, just hidden bases.

[@dustronyt4565]

Writing this before I'll watch this vid I always asked that question and valued every story in which rebels did that. I just really think it'd be a great idea, especially on early days of GCW warfare to loose less people, as well as get some advantage in numbers and even more benefits if we remember about BX droids. Also, it wouldn't be that hard to obtain them. Bilions of deactivated droids lying around the whole galaxy. I doubt it's possible to scrap even half of them even in 10 years. Not to mention all those separatist cells who didn't deactivated their droids. I found it a bit disgusting we don't see them join the rebels only cause authors are afraid to mess up black and white picture "goodies look like that and badies like that" In short: I do like seeing more seppies or at least their equipment being used among rebels cause it's both realistic and somewhat inspiring

[@CyberJoeyO]

Because Industrial Light and Magic in 1977 was a start up company that could barely afford to do scale models and blue screen special effects. Let alone CGI advanced enough to do droid armies.

[@immastatistic]

Kind of sad you didn’t bring up the Thrawn novel with the battle against vulture droids. But as always, great vid. 🎉🎉❤

[@rippera45]

Most of the droid factories couldn't be restarted by rebel forces. They don't have the resources to fix whatever mass-manufacturing facilities survived the Clone Wars, let alone operate them. It doesn't help that the Empire, thanks to Clone Wars-era record keeping from both sides of the conflict, knows where most CIS battle droid factories are located. If new droids start appearing en mass, it wouldn't be hard to target and eliminate their source. And once that factory is destroyed, the Alliance could forget about rebuilding it; they barely had enough expertise to make new X-wings, let alone an outdated manufacturing plant.

[@dumbdragon13]

Droids would be good for any large engagement or even distraction for rebels. Drop a battalion of droids to engage empire forces. Then use your human forces to go behind and sabotage equipment or take out leaders. Take tech etc

[@theamazingwhaleshark4478]

Probably narrows down to how the primary battledroid manufacturers in the galaxy stopped churning out new droids and droid parts after 19 BBY. By 0 BBY the number of battle ready droids would have whittled down to the point where they can no longer use numbers to their advantage.

[@richardched6085]

In a Galaxy as vast as Star Wars. I can 99% assure you that Battle Droids were used by the Rebellion sometime and somewhere. The story just hasn't been written yet lol.

[@JoseMoreira-vo8cu]

Soundly stated sir.

[@gnollman]

Infrastructure, I'd think. Droid armies seem to require a lot of infrastructure to keep running and maintain, and the Rebellion had to run lean.

[@Merc_justsomebody]

All of that conversation gave me an idea. In THEORY, if a rebel alliance were to capture several Droidekas, they could technically rearm its shield, make memory-wipe and use these as hit-and-run droids (Their weapons wouldn't need a change, in the rebellion they easily blew up AT-PT's so i think AT-ST's wouldn't be much of a problem too)

[@acererak_957]

when i was a kid i thought StormTroopers WERE Robots. you never saw them take the helmets off and the vox vocals seemed very robotic to me as a child.

[@uniqueyuhnork]

I always imagined some former separatist systems joined the rebels. The surplus of droids could be reprogrammed, B1 battle droids could be used for construction and manufacturing type jobs while B2 battle droids could remain as combat/security units but be reprogrammed to take commands from a human/organic squad leader and be used properly in small fireteams of 3 or 4. It always bugged me that droids never used proper tactics or cover in the clone wars movies and tv show. Also the ability to modify or create a new series of droids for a specific combat job would be a great idea. For example tie fighters would make more sense if they were half as big so you could double the number your ship could hold and the craft could be more nimble and agile than any ship piloted by an organic.

[@richardleighliter9889]

Another great video!!!

[@KuDastardly]

Aside from banning droids, the Empire also assimilated major industrial powers into its imperial military industrial complex.

[@5stargrim]

Weren’t droid factories basically expensive planet wide operations? Even for B1s.. Pretty sure that answers it.

[@jiffypoo5029]

In the Star Wars Universe, archeology and scavenging is a great way to find advanced tech and super weapons. The Star Wars Universe has been at a technological peak for about 15,000 years. Its not uncommon for scavangers to dig up some 5000 year old ship that can match whatever Kuat is currently building.

[@daniellemorales2216]

Droids had devastated so many worlds that if the rebels had started using them, it would have impacted support for their cause.

[@AdamTehranchiYT]

Technically, they did in Legends in one of the more interesting moment for the Alliance to Restore the Republic Project Decoy was imagined to infiltrate imperial ranks with Human Replica Droids. As a aside with hindsight, the rebels really should have used more droids since it would help equalize the differences between the empire's and their own operations. Missed an opportunity for a droid emancipation plot line as well. Cheers!

[@iceyshadow7037]

If any, the rebels should’ve tried to produce more droidikas since there design is one of the most deadly

[@ZoeMalDoran]

Before I watch this, the biggest answer to the title question is "Because if they did, they'd be playing into the hands of Palpatine's propaganda that they're just Separatist diehards" followed by "Most people hated battle droids by then" and "Were there even any left that still worked by the time of the Galactic Civil War?" ... now let's see if I'm right

[@Michaelgnizak]

Lando made those Vong Hunter droids, but that want a military force. He might have sold them to the military at some point, but wasn’t he running a business at that point? Also, that’s legend now I think.

[@StormyWeather93]

I've always thought that if a trained soldier each got 1 or 2 droids to command it'd be great. If anything they'd be fodder/muscle that would protect the human and carry extra and heavy gear. It'd could quickly double or triple your forces too. They don't need to be great just an extra gun and hand to help. Makes sense to me in a world where you're outmanned a raging basically gorilla warfare.

[@everywherecommunity3614]

Because the Rebells were out during the 70s. But in the Family Guy version, R2-D2 used a Slug Thrower.

[@louisbabycos106]

I maybe wrong but I tend to think of the separatist and rebellion as either the same or very similar movements . The separatist are simply an earlier yet somewhat big bad evil guy version of the rebellion. Perhaps it's an oversimplification but both are rebelling .

[@yourlocaltrooper7294]

Did the Rebels ever use old clone wars tec? Like clone armor and equipment or old clone wars tanks from the republic or CIS?

[@wolfsmoke6053]

Really obvious answer that didn't require a video

[@Idkidkidk716]

Droids never talked back when you sent them on suicide missions.

[@scottcarver7393]

Who needs battle droids when you have the most badass astromech droids in the galaxy?

[@venomshadowblood8353]

Why didn't the Empire make their soldiers armor out of beskar after they attacked Mandalore?

[@intergalactic92]

Presumably because Lucas hadn’t come up with the concept for battle droids when he wrote the original trilogy….. oh wait, you meant the Watsonian reason…

[@McdonaldsInFallujah]

Maybe because the idea of B1 Battle droids didnt exist in the older movies lol. If they did, the rebellion wouldve used them.

[@AnkhWolf]

BX Commando droids would have done well. they were designed for infiltration and could even impersonate organics so could of disguised they're presence with some full body armour 0lus they where a legitimate threat to seasoned ARC troopers. Add in some droid officers like the OOM droids had when they invaded Naboo with enhanced tactical/command capabilities and your in business, there's a reason Vader tried to make an army if these guys.

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[@deaks25]

My first thought was propaganda reasons. It's likely the Rebels were wanting to avoid giving the Empire a reason to compare them to the CIS. Had the Rebels used battledroids the Empire has ammo to discredit the Rebels, making the cause even harder.

[@suddenbrickproductions]

That’s what I was thinking 🤔

[@brandonholland929]

I have that Boba bust!

[@sithticklefingers7255]

Because those weren’t the droids they were looking for.

[@brandonwoodrow-oh2cg]

What happened to bats after order 66

[@youcanthandlemyname7393]

i could see them using droids sparingly like to carry out terroristic attacks but the rebels ran when the empire showed up they did not stay and fight so using battle droids would only be useful to buy them time to escape. like i could see destroyer droids being useful due to how quick their heavy weapons and how quick they can get in and retreat but your typical b1 would only really be useful as a security droid, decoy, something to strap explosives to, or a way to buy time while your forces retreat. honestly the real question is why didnt the rebellion use a ton of cis warships and vulture droids. i mean the cis ships were almost fully automated which is a huge deal since the rebellions main issue was that it lacked crews for their ships, vulture droids did not require pilots which solved another of the rebellions main issues, and had they done this their would have actually been a use for b1 battle droids since they could operate these ships. and like the droids these ships were every where after the war. literally just floating around in space lol. if i had to guess the empire made getting rid of these ships a priority which is why the rebellion did not have Manny of them.

[@aaron50snickers79]

There are a bunch of reasons for the rebel alliance to not use battle droids. Especially the ones used by the separatists during the clone wars. Note: these are my opinions from what i know about star wars lore/cannon material. 1. After the clone wars and order 66 most if not all battle droids were deactivated and destroyed. 2. Most system who suffered under the oppression of the separatists and seeing their worlds being controlled by b1, b2, etc. After the destruction caused by these droids people would be opposed by using these same droids for a different purpose even if the purpose was fighting against the empire. This would cause rumors that would be used as propaganda for the empire that the rebels would bring back a force that caused so much chaos during the clone wars and divided the galaxy and would increase support for the empire to wipe the rebels out and stop the battle droids. 3. If the rebels want to use droids they would have to make new droids that dont resemble the battle droids from the separatists so it dosent cause more problems during the fight. I am aware that the rebels has in a few isolated instances used separatist battle droids but in a way to not tip the empire off. And yes there separatist remnants that some dont even want to be with the rebels and fight for their own causes. And the behind the scenes reasons is that during the making of the origional trilogy the battle droids weren't even a concept at the time only appearing in the prequels.

[@Kilmej78]

I wonder that as well.

[@motomuto3313]

Alen, what motorcycle do you like to ride?

[@randytyson]

By the empires era, the imperial army were more than capable of handling a few cl*nkers

[@Kastrenzo74]

you cant tell me that all of the separatist droids were woefully obsolete. even in mandolorian, Bo-Katan while unloading at one B2, hits another a bunch of times and it just shrugs them off. and that was a post-empire era mercenary who had weapons that were more powerful than what average imperial military or rebel soldiers had. The B1s were never, not even in the clone wars, meant to be a 1:1 comparison to a trained soldier. they were staggering stupid peices of junk but the point was they would overwhelm the enemy with volume of fire and numbers. That strategy would still work in the civil war era , maybe not on large battlefields since they have no vehicles, but a transport with 30 40 battle droids could certainly stir trouble for a platoon of stormtroopers. the B2s, B3s, Droidekas and Commando droids still would have been deadly even 20-30 years after the war, if all they were ever doing was fighting comparitavely small imperial squads compared to the entire battallions of clones they'd face in pitched battles in the clone wars.

[@craykard8325]

I think the horror of the clone Wars left too many scars.

[@nh-ss5pw]

Why do I always get 2 videos ? ❤

[@cb8655]

It’s called the prequels didn’t exist at the time the original films were made for this occur…

[@joeylindeman2842]

They did.... It just hasn't been Canonised yet.

[@BWBizarreWorlds]

They did not because computers werent good enough in 70s XD

[@peterversionone]

I think even the Stormtroopers would have beat the B1 battle droids

[@leponpon6935]

Perhaps the Rebels ran out of droids?

[@XMasterWoo]

I would say a big reason was definetly the pr, if they would use battledroids, they would in the eyes of the population, look like the cis aka the "bad guys of the last war". The most important thing about a rebelion is that the people suport you more than the empire.

[@NA-zq3fz]

It wouldn't look bad to the populations of CIS worlds.

[@jacob4920]

"Droid Racism," and the recovery from it, is a great theme that should be explored more deeply in the Star Wars Universe. It's "diversity and inclusion" without slandering real people, or borrowing off of real life politics. lol

[@Maybe_Crazy_Courier]

Those droids in rebels were comic relief they should’ve performed better

[@TMANM]

Erm actually in mando there were droids

[@fatmilf1498]

because prequel trilogy came out after OT. there you go

[@rexlumontad5644]

It would have been interesting to see Kalani join the Rebel Alliance as he helps formulate tactics and strategies, and lead the Droids salvaged from abandoned CIS factories.

[@GenerationTech]

yeah a separatist remnant faction would definitely be cool, especially in some 4x star wars game that really should be made one day

[@VNM-Venom252]

I wonder what he’s doing in a post galactic civil war galaxy.

[@isaackim7675]

He would make an excellent general for the Rebel Alliance

[@shrimpy_nazeem]

@@GenerationTechthe Star Wars clone wars holdouts submod for the Star Wars empire empire at war remake mod does this well

[@cissuperdroid]

Missed opportunity indeed.

[@TheLiamster]

I’ve said this before but I wanted General Kalani to show up in the Rebels finale with a small fleet of Separatist ships and droid fighters to help Ezra defeat Thrawn.

[@alexanderserio5699]

Yeah that would had been awesome!

[@THESPOOKYSPACEKOOK]

that would have been absolute best to see that!!!!!!!

[@Fulcrox]

Thrawn fighting Droids would have been 10 times better than Thrawn getting defeated by space squids lmao

[@AzureIV]

Who knows, General Kalani might show up in the new Ahsoka show.

[@bagofbones4257]

Despite the numerous factors that made battle droids unappealing for the Rebel Alliance there was one area where battle droids could have made the Alliance's lives much easier without harming their image much: Ship crews. Manpower was a huge issue for the alliance and being able to actually man the chronically undermanned capital ships of the alliance with droids could have made a world of difference. Unfortunately, with the majority of the rebel leadership being core worlders this was unlikely to be ever considered by the Alliance as a viable option.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

How hard would it be to download viruses into droid crews to turn them into saboteurs?

[@isaackim7675]

Imagine the clankers' reaction seeing Luke as a Jedi? B1, "Wait. Now we're fighting alongside a Jedi?"

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@Homer "Roger, roger."

[@RelativelyBest]

"How about alongside a friend?"

[@isaackim7675]

@@RelativelyBest Roger. Roger.

[@TheFlash-de6lq]

*"Roger, roger."*

[@passarovoador6662]

I read it with their voice

[@ElTwOJaY]

My brother always says that if Droids really wanted to, they could have taken over the whole freaking galaxy.

[@noahdean9685]

Maybe if general grievous was alive a little longer!

[@ElTwOJaY]

@@noahdean9685 Yeah but my brother means like ALL droids not just the CIS ones. Kinda like that Futurama episode where the machines rebel against organics.

[@noahdean9685]

@@ElTwOJaY doing episode 3 Anakin sent out a code to shut down all the battle droids of course not everybody wanted them shut down so they reprogram them and brought them back up it's like that one episode of Star wars rebels where the super tactical battle droids thought it was a Jedi sabotage so he deny that order!

[@Appletank8]

Pretty much what memory wipes and constant anti droid lobbying for inhibitor chips were supposed to prevent. Droid manufacturing did not want to risk the spotlight turning against them for “building sapients for enslavement”. there’s rumors that fact droid rebellions are sprinkled about every so often to convince the public to not see droids as sentient. Star Wars itself keeps see sawing back and forth on whether droids are characters you should care about or cannon fodder.

[@intergalactic92]

There is a series of novels about the individual bounty hunters you see in The Empire Strikes Back, detailing their back story and what they do to try to get the bounty on Han Solo (and why they all fail). In IG-88's novel it’s revealed he has a grand plan for a droid uprising across the the galaxy, and the culmination of his plan is to upload his consciousness into the Death Star, hijack it from within and then transmit a signal that will release all droids from their restraining bolts and rise up against their organic oppressors. He is foiled when the Rebel's unexpectedly win the battle of Endor unwittingly killing him when they destroy the Death Star.

[@JoolsyB]

They did, but seperatist droids weren't the droids they were looking for.

[@arthurbriand2175]

I think there were hidden droid fleets that the rebels could have used. Didn't they mount a first attack on the Death Star with a LucraHulk ?

[@Charizacus]

Yeah, that's now Legends.

[@levievil9220]

There was a cannon old droid fleet but most of it got wiped out near the end of the episode Star Wars rebels season three I presume

[@OR56]

No, but it was a smaller Separatist carrier

[@Clone683]

It seems like an obvious answer to the manpower problems they were having but I imagine there was a lot of anti-droid sentiment after the Clone War. Just look at Mandos prejudice against droids. I imagine thats not uncommon for people caught up in the Clone War

[@rexlumontad5644]

The Rebel Alliance shouldn't be picky at using Clone Wars-era weapons and equipment from Republic and CIS when fighting the Galactic Empire.

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

Well, look at what happened post Jakkut, they are very picky.

[@MrDibara]

​@@homer6292Well, a few CIS ships _DID_ have a Mon Calamari design (the Providence-class dreadnought, if I'm not mistaken), so I can't blame you for drawing the parallels. _(even though the Mon Calamari cruisers are a whole other thing)_

[@limjahey3119]

I just wanna see ONE rebel soldier using an old battlefield salvaged DC-15 rifle.

[@BenMan8881]

I can name another reason why the Rebel Alliance didn't use the CIS droids: appearance. CIS equipment and droids were seen as anti-Republic. Seeing as the full name of the Rebel Alliance is the Alliance to Restore the Republic, I can tell you exactly how Empire propaganda would play if, say, the B-1 Battledroid became a mainstay in the Rebel army. The Empire would say, "They claim that they are aiming to restore the Republic. But, how can they claim that when they've allied themselves with that were all about destroying this unity that we are preserving? The CIS were anti-Republic. The Rebels are using CIS equipment. This Alliance is nothing more than a mask to fool you into destroying our stability just like the CIS did 20 years ago."

[@yukin1990]

I think it was mentioned after Clone wars, Palatine ban using droid for preventing people have huge resource to rebel against him!!!

[@MercenaryPen]

When Andor introduced Anto Kreegyr as a former separatist rebel leader, I wondered whether he was going to have a force of ex-separatist droids to make him such a threat to the empire... with Kreegyr's forces having been defeated offscreen, that could still be possible

[@ovencake523]

thats a cool idea for his attack on Spellhaus at least, he had 30 other men, so any droids would be supplementary although it was a targeted sabotage at a power station, maybe you wouldn't bring dumb droids for that

[@TheSmokeyRooster]

I think the real world answer to a droid army in the prequels was for the same reason why the original Battlestar Galactica went with Cylons instead of Armored Lizard People; it’s so the good guys can blast away without bloodshed and body counts and MPAA PG

[@mpnuorva]

More like George Lucas' sensibilities really. Plus nothing says "artificial conflict" quite like pitting literally manufactured armies against each other.

[@dijital4801]

We already see rebels murdering stormtroopers in the OT

[@CognetoBurrito]

This is great, but it doesn't answer the bigger question. Why didn't the CIS just turn their army back on when they realised they had been double-crossed? And why didn't the Kaminoens - a notoriously xenophobic and mistrustful species - implant a universal override switch for all their clones in the event that they be used against their creators? Did Palpatine even consider either of these possibilities? Or did he just luck out?

[@malaficus]

The leaders of the c.i.s where killed so no order could be given and you can be sure that papitine ensured none could be reactivated. As for the kaminoens. They probably did but you know. Sith. You dont need clone troopers to destroy there homeworld and if i recall the empire was a loyal costumers. The kaminoens dont care about who pays as long they get payed.

[@wilberdebeer4696]

They couldn't as the shutdown order is an executive command that would require certain codes which the surviving CIS leadership wouldn't know. They were then also mostly captured by the Republic army as when the droids shutdown they were mostly powerless.

[@zanenevada7327]

for the cis i think the shut down order had a fail safe that may have required a in person/master codes that died with the cis leaders. For the Kaminoens they saw the clones as theirs and didn't want to waste the greatest army in the republics history. Also what if a rival company got to the clones and figured out the override and made kamino take the fall not worth the risk. Or its a movie and plothole.

[@mpnuorva]

Because the CIS was controlled opposition that was set to terrorize the galaxy to compliance while blackwashing it's most problematic elements, and then fade away once it's purpose had been served.

[@tincantub8373]

In my head cannon the Rebel supply ships were all manned and run by former separatist battle droids. I'm thinking there were so few of them left like the clones and those that did join the Rebellion chose to hang up their blasters and preferred doing lots of logistical stuff like supply loading, base building, trench digging etc.

[@YoungClarke]

If you want to take into account the new canon books, in the book Thrawn, Night Swan (a criminal that eventually became a proto-rebel leader) used a large number of vulture droids to attack a imperial strike force. Since imperial capital ships hadn’t fought vulture droids for decades, they’d forgotten how to affectively fight them and the vultures did far more damage than you’d expect.

[@sidonay2735]

Vultures are scary tho, they don't need manpower, are fast and can deploy droids that sabotage you i think

[@henryhammond7393]

Back in the day I used to rage against Lucas for not using something used by the Rebels as the military units for the CIS… because would create a more organic cohesive 6 movie narrative in my young mind… … ah my misspent youth.

[@Drrck11]

My opinion: I really wish the Rebel Alliance had built their own Death Star or some kind of super weapon to prevent any future empires from taking over the galaxy. If I were a political or rebel officer; I'd advocate for this. It seems like a waste of good information to not have used the Death Star plans for better use. Keep in mind, the empire had two Death Stars. Imagine the death and destruction that would have happened if they both were fully operational. The rebels would have had no chance.

[@yvonnecox7534]

actually it was the script for the force awakens that the resistance had there own super weapon called the warhammer but was cut from the finale script of the movie

[@oligb1469]

I do have a bit of a head-cannon that Kalani is out there reactivating droid factories and when they come back only to find a "new republic" to fight

[@conflictt3224]

I do hope in the Reign of the Empire era with Bad Batch and Andor, we start to see more early rebels working alongside Separatists with Droids etc. They aren't the most effective but I feel like given many early rebel cells would have been former Separatists it makes a lot of sense for many more planets to have them around and discretely donate them to the rebel cause instead of properly disposing of them when the Empire cracked down. Also thematically, having Clone Rebels fighting alongside the Droids and helping to build the foundations of the early Rebellion is fucking awesome. They were both pawns mass produced to serve Palpatine's grand plan so having those pawns that he discarded be the first step in the long domino line of things that leads to his downfall is thematic and karmic as hell.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Epically poetic

[@TheJarric]

in games every renegade faction has cis stuff salvaged or made

[@RaphBlade7]

Agreed. Besides, it would be nice to see those B1 battle droids fighting alongside clones against stormtroopers! Two expendable armies from the Prequels with character and personality against the original Star Wars cannon fodder, the faceless imperial stormtroopers!

[@FastTquick]

A lot of Separatist Holdouts continued to resist with battle droids after the founding of the Empire and were eventually wiped out. It just wouldn’t make sense for the Rebellion to continue to use battle droids when they’ve shown they were ineffective in the fight against the Empire.

[@alecatnight1540]

Because the battle droid designs were copyrighted. Duhhhh

[@isaackim7675]

Roger. Roger

[@theghost6412]

The Rebellion turned New Republic did use Droids to fight the Empire later in the books to brilliant effect. Lando Calrissian's Battle Droids were beyond deadly. Several Battle Droids were turned into Nanny's and were protecting the Solo Children growing up along with the Noghri.

[@swordsman1ke511]

In Legends, I believed a battalion (?) of B2 Super Battledroids were awarded for their effectiveness in the Yuuzhan Vong war

[@ianbelletti6241]

Simple: optics, cover, and the destruction of most battle droids and their factories. This didn't mean that battle droids wouldn't be used when available. The bad batch did use battle droids to escape security droids.

[@limboonsiew5552]

If we ever get an Empire of War 2, then I would love if it take some pointers from Awakening of the Rebellion and ideas from this vid. I can Imagined that if a player use a Rebel Alliance and fought/found a former CIS systems, then could active a minor event chain where the Rebel Alliance could gain a changes of getting droid units to serve as Defensive Units.

[@TheJarric]

yes this woud be best use of droids it woud free man power for training and front lines

[@jeremigaezki3618]

I've always wondered why CIS didn't collect battlefield data in real time via tactical droids and change their tactic accordingly. With hyperspace communication, CIS could update droid protocols with new tactical data all across the board. We all know why they ditched control ships but using them as info hubs with droid autonomy would be a game changer. All tactical droids being updated in real time about tactical situation, and passing relevant info to battle droids would be like fighting Skynet or Matrix

[@bigredwolf6]

Because then the organics lose, no matter what side they’re on.

[@davidhong1934]

The Separatists weren't intended to win, so Palpatine allowed for clandestine sabotage of droid manufacturing

[@jeremigaezki3618]

Well I know that, but the fact ja that he couldn't control every aspect of design, manufacturing, ani aplication of droids. I suppose its all part od the lore, where CIS is rigged to lose from the start. But I'll still think that it would wipe GAR from the board if Palpi wasn't meddling.

[@Fulcrox]

​​@@jeremigaezki3618 it's because they are rigged to lose, imagine if they attacked running instead of walking like in Geonosis

[@jeremigaezki3618]

Of course they were, I"m just thinking about its like real war not a setup. But with fair payingfield CIS would win nine timea out od ten without aby changes