Why Do Christian Influencers Hate Taylor Swift?

[@megatrocious]

Ben Shapiro complaining about Taylor Swift being a "whiny pain in the ass" as if he isn't the most whiny person who has ever walked the face of the earth lol 😂

[@kierasthoughts2480]

Exactly what I thought. Lol.

[@manyyoumas]

LMAO Ikr this comment 🔥

[@Crazyw_thechzwhz]

I wonder if he wants to be the pot or the kettle today

[@heavenj7]

The most whiny bearded man I’ve ever seen!!

[@JeddtheJedi]

I'm convinced he got offended by the part of the Eras Tour in which Taylor appears to dive into a pool, because he doesn't like things that are wet.

[@LKY1357]

People have said similar things about Lady Gaga and her little monsters. Apparently creativity is witchcraft.

[@TiaNichole17]

Us witches need to be left out of this l 😂

[@timnewman1172]

As is science, literature, music, and anything else that progresses culture... FFS!!!

[@HeiwaTori]

& its absolutely HILARIOUS to us atheists cos like... theyre so scared of nothing(also you saying 'little monsters' made me think of Monster by Irene & Seulgi lol "Im a little monsta~")

[@CheyenneTerry970]

Any secular major musician that hits this level of fame like Taylor Swift, Madonna, Michael Jackson, etc., tends to get this kind of pushback from the ultra conservative fundamentalist evangelicals. This isn’t new, but the conspiracy theories that are dreamed up are usually pretty entertaining for their comedic value.

[@HeiwaTori]

@@CheyenneTerry970 Im pretty sure people thought Elvis was 'controlled by stan' (probably thought the same with leonardo da vinci etc in their day too)

[@AllySheehan]

girl WHATTTTTT i was watching this video and did a double take when i heard my name!! i love y'all !!!!!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Lmao I’m sorry for the jump scare! I absolutely adore you and your videos!!! 🩵

[@English3Muffin]

Okay wow I never anticipated seeing you both in the same place.😂 I love both your channels so much! 🫶

[@nataliemo24]

This mutual adoration makes my heart happy! Two of my fave channels, love you guyssss!

[@maryalicefike4704]

omg Ally what are you doing here????

[@elapid_skeptic]

The crossover multiverse no one saw coming

[@adenlewis8234]

As someone who used to dance professionally (on much smaller tours than Taylor’s, but still quite long), the standards for modesty change DRASTICALLY because most of the time you’re wearing undergarments that cover you entirely (tights, bodysuit, leotard, booty shorts, etc) and the clothes you put on top of that (your costume) don’t actually NEED to cover anything at all. And I promise a show like Taylor’s, where she has multiple costume changes, dancing etc - she’s never ever going to risk having a costume slip and accidentally flashing someone. It usually feels like you’re wearing an entire outfit and then extra clothes on top lol even if it looks like the extra clothes are your whole outfit. At the very least you get taped/pinned in so it can’t move off your skin. So most costumes end up being much less “modest” despite the fact that every inch of your body from neck to wrists/ankles is 100% covered. Any “skin” you may see is almost always just an illusion - you’re looking at pantyhose people 😂

[@JordanandMcKay]

Such a good point!! 👏🏼

[@thisgirlchris]

Great point, also, what about gymnasts and ice skaters or any athlete for that matter? The beloved Olympics. Or is it not beloved because it may be considered globalist 🤔

[@DM-kl4em]

It's not based on logic and reason. It's based on religious dogma. The fundie crowd would not be satisfied unless she was wearing a turtleneck and an ankle-length skirt. That's not all. They would have to fit loosely on her legs, hips, and bust. They cannot allow clothes to be too tight on her feminine body, or she might become a "stumbling block" and a temptress to young men. These are the same idiots who got mad when Britney Spears was performing in crop tops back in the 90s. They were absolutely furious about her belly and lower back being visible to the audience. It's every bit as stupid as it sounds. The purity culture in this country is absolutely ridiculous. Over 90 percent of people admit to watching p**n in anonymous surveys, yet they get hopping mad if a celebrity (allegedly) shows a little skin.

[@samjensen392]

I haven’t watched the whole video yet (only at 23:27), but as a Swiftie myself, rolling my eyes at the “SHE’S A WITCH!!” crowd, all I can really say is, “God forbid a woman enjoy an aesthetic.” Like, be serious, if she was actually casting spells and stealing souls, do you think she’d make it this fucking obvious? She talked openly, in her interview with Apple Music about evermore, about how she just liked the witchy vibe of the “willow” instrumental and ran with it. Jesus Christ, get a grip, it’s really not that deep.

[@Elleshifts04]

I just want to say that not everyone in the “she’s a witch!” crowd means it in a bad way. I’m a huge swiftie, she’s my favorite artist. But I’m also a Pagan/witch myself and I just get those vibes from her. The Prophecy, for example, has lots of lyrical double meanings that reference tarot cards. The most obvious being “cards on the table, mine play out like fools in a fable” referencing the fool card. Frankly, I would consider that cultural appropriation if she doesn’t believe or practice it herself, and was just going for the “cool” aesthetic of people being hunted down and burned. I also think the fact that you believe witchcraft has to be kept secret, and that it’s casting spells or stealing souls, means you don’t know much about it. It’s just part of a religion like Christianity, it’s actually OLDER than Christianity (their traditions like Christmas were taken from Pagans), and it’s not at all like what’s in fiction. The most commonly practiced forms of witchcraft are divination (like tarot cards), manifestation (could be what Mastermind is about), and crystal energy. Spell jars/casting is a thing, but not everyone does it, I don’t. I didn’t mean to write so much but Taylor and witchcraft are my hyperfixations so.

[@manyyoumas]

I honestly have no thoughts on Taylor personally but I’m just here because jordan and McKay time. Just a simple bisexual that enjoys her favorite apostates

[@JordanandMcKay]

you're the best! we appreciate you!!

[@Sophrishea]

I'm here for Taylor AND my fellow cool bi-folks 💘💜💙

[@PGOuma]

Kokichi pfp spotted

[@manyyoumas]

@@PGOumaayee 💜

[@grammiekaren9780]

No one is more judgmental than a good Christian.

[@sadiewood7302]

the lack of media literacy is something i’m glad you guys addressed. more and more artists are being labeled as demonic just for having dark or creepy undertones in the music or stage performances. doja cat, taylor swift, travis scott… nobody can use dark undertones in their art anymore without being accused of pushing satanism or selling demonic messages to their audience.

[@Sing_A_Rebel_Song]

I feel like Doja is the only “demonic” one but that’s a result of how the media viewed her in the first place

[@hkandm4s23]

Like with many conspiracy theorists and fundamentalist beliefs, it's always fueled by a desperate need to be special. They have the secret knowledge, they're special, they see through the lies everyone else falls for, they know the world is magical.... Etc etc. It's sad but not surprising that fundamentalism correlates with belief conspiracy theories so heavily. Lack of critical thought or examining your beliefs, gullibility and willingness to follow charismatic leaders, and need to feel special are all key features these people get sucked into these beliefs.

[@carolann500]

Well said!

[@thirty_ish2890]

💯

[@ShelbyTraughber]

So many people haven’t paid attention in history/literature/art history classes and it shows.

[@JordanandMcKay]

probably why they're stripping funding from schools.

[@iteachlit]

They’re stripping away our ability to teach art, real literature, and what really happened in the past-at least they are in Florida.

[@rebecaa7482]

Thanks for another amazing video! As a Christian and a moderate Swiftie myself, I’m thoroughly annoyed at how hateful the fundies are towards Taylor. It’s non-sensical and honestly just reeks of jealousy.

[@AtomicMama42]

Is there like a church for those of us who are kinda Christian/catholic who aren't dicks? Or is that just the united?

[@jaimesfolly]

Jordan's hair looks great, but McKay also has wonderful locks. The hair is magnificent on this channel.

[@DezinSummer]

True!

[@LilAllygator]

I agree that But Daddy I Love Him for me has hit the hardest in terms of religious deconstruction. I also love the lines from that song “dutiful daughter, all my plans were laid, tendrils tucked into a woven braid, growing up precocious sometimes means not growing up at all”. It gives that image of being raised to be a good Christian girl and stay in your box, and on the outward seeming so grown up and put together but in reality you’re just being dutiful and not truly learning from experience. That song just has such beautiful imagery and storytelling, and it’s so fun to sing it at the top of your lungs 😆 it’s very cathartic! 😅

[@LilAllygator]

@user-xr7ci8tf3e I love that she’s making this music while she’s at her most-talked about point in her career so far. I think it’s going to help a lot of people. I love that she was a factor in your deconstruction ❤️ and to me the lyrics are the perfect balance between being subtle but also direct enough to understand what she means, so the people who need it don’t get too defensive. Obviously the hard-core Christians will get defensive, but I think for many it will just be something to think about that’s from outside their bubble. I’m so curious about her own deconstruction process and I wonder if she’ll ever open up about it. Obviously that’s up to her and if she’s comfortable with it and no one needs to know, but hearing others’ stories was a big help for me in my deconstruction. But either way I’m loving the hints she’s giving through her songs 🥰

[@mesquitemagic]

Just because you date a lot of people, doesn't mean you're sleeping with them. I'm so sick of people thinking that way.Even if she is sleeping with all these guys, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And hey, I think she dresses cute. Thirty years and thirty pounds ago, I would have dressed like her.

[@laurensutherland422]

Jordan your hair looks so good!!

[@JordanandMcKay]

you are so sweet, thank you!!

[@DezinSummer]

It’s gorgeous. You always look great, but I love the deeper color.

[@soggytortillla]

RIGHT!!

[@malanenix4033]

Yes! The color is beautiful, and it looks so healthy. ❤

[@tiffanyvantine3322]

This was fun. As a progressive Christian Swiftie, I really enjoyed this. The fundie outrage really is centered in their hatred of strong women, which flows from a bunch of men being scared of losing power. I should have guessed Jordan was a Swiftie, but it had never occurred to me!

[@LovelyTabita]

Hear me out: the same video, but McKay and Jordan have matching hairstyles

[@JordanandMcKay]

I'll my sister in law braid our hair

[@jewelgazer]

It would be so so cute if you guys dyed your hair the same color! Maybe ginger (like McKay) to match the cats!

[@CabelCB]

@@JordanandMcKaydo it!

[@meredithvaughan5946]

I'm definitely more of a casual enjoyer of Swift's music, rather than a full Swiftie, but honestly the more people rant on about her the more I feel compelled to defend her. These aren't even particularly Christian people, they just don't like how she's taking over the NFL too now lol.

[@doperagu8471]

I absolutely hold hands with my friends. Turning 34 this year and that definitely wont change. Sorry, Candace, that you dont have friends that want to hold YOUR hand. But no need to bring Taylor into that baggage.

[@PrincessJamiG]

That sounds nice. 😊

[@marymaclaren9553]

'They don't f*ck with baker's dozens' is my new back tattoo.

[@Sophrishea]

"Whose Afraid of Little Old Me" is my favorite track off the new album

[@PrincessJamiG]

The scream is so iconic and such a great song to sing along to in the car.

[@heavenj7]

As a librarian and lover of literature & art, I’m shocked at how bad reading comprehension is with the younger gen. and the inability to grasp what a metaphor is!?! 🤦‍♀️ as far as what she’s wearing?? What about ballet 🩰 dancers!?? Performers wear bodysuits! all things considered? Compared to say growing up with Madonna…Taylor is tame!!

[@stephaniejane6168]

Good point about Madonna! Back in the 80s she wore cone bras and nipple tassels. And purposefully had anti- catholic messages vs Taylor who does not make at outright blasphemous references. Like a Prayer anyone?!

[@heavenj7]

@@stephaniejane6168 good times! Ha

[@robinwaits5828]

What about bathing suits? 🤣 Lol. Even though the bodysuits might appear skimpy to some people, she has on 2 pairs of dance tights. She's more covered than most people in the summer. 🤣

[@maggiecollins9290]

so surprised nobody has clutched their pearls over the “gathered with a coven round a sorceress table” line in the prophecy (which is one of the BEST SONGS ON TTPD OMG 😍) this vid was so slay

[@Naafidy]

36 year old woman coded here and I *love* holding my friends hands.

[@ginny93en]

Holding hands is the best. Also in 30s. Feel sad for her that she can't experience holding her friends hands...must be so sad.

[@lady8jane]

48 year old woman and couldn't agree more! I always wonder what would happen if US fundies learned that it is completely normal in many cultures that heterosexual MEN hold hands with their friends.

[@samjensen392]

The whole, “She’s 34 and unmarried with no kids,” thing as a criticism just boils my blood. She’s been trying to find someone this whole goddamn time! She wants to get married! She wants to have kids! She was in a relationship for six years, and she left because he wouldn’t put in the effort or take the next step. She rebounded with someone who promised all those things and then pulled the rug out from under her. I mean, just listen to The Prophecy; she’s literally begging on her knees for someone she can spend her life with. Not to mention, all the people complaining that she’s still not married are probably the same people who’ve mocked her for dating for the past two decades

[@aseygirl9295]

This! And as a mom with two young daughters, I LOVE the message Taylor sends by her actions when dating: 1. Don’t settle just because you want to be married. 2. Don’t stay in a relationship where you aren’t treated as you should be. 3. Be picky! Make sure you marry someone you are head over heels in love with! ❤🙌🏼🫶

[@vanessad.2625]

Exactly! it feels like they are mad because she has the influence, they wished they had.

[@English3Muffin]

Exactly! But the other side of this is that even if this wasn’t the case and she decided she wasn’t into kids and marriage, that’s fine, too. She clearly doesn’t need a man to support her, and I honestly think that is the biggest issue these people have with Taylor Swift. I think her success as a single, childless woman is a threat and goes against their beliefs of the role of women.

[@Butterfly-ql4pg]

Not to mention it's actually quite normal to not get married prior to your 30s, but obviously that's a foreign concept in fundieland, where the norm is to marry and pop out a crap ton of babies as soon as humanly possible

[@helenr4300]

Blimey, at 49 and livelong single I am clearly demonic, despite working for the church. But then as a female minister in a mainstream denomination I am already condemned by fundies....

[@Teajay21]

Talking about post concert amnesia + worship band reminds me of Sadie Carpenter from Leaving Eden podcast saying that she used to think she was having a religious experience during worship until she went to her first real concert and experienced the same thing

[@x.vmp1re.m0ney.x]

I had the same experience lmao I thought my faith was so strong because the way I felt during church when we sung..then I went to Evanescence and felt the exact same way💀 Amy lee is God 🙌🙌/j

[@sage-6]

I listened to Taylor Swift when I was a teenager. Still listen to her from time to time. One of my friends met her about 6 years ago via a meet and greet pass (if I remember correctly she won a contest for them) and she said that Taylor was really kind to her and everyone else in the group. Took as much time as she could with everyone there. People who send her or anyone else threats and messages like that are very immature. Same with the people who come up with conspiracy theories about her and every artist. They should look into going to a therapist for their issues because no one in their right mind would waste so much of their time doing things like that. Life is too short to be that hateful towards someone you’ll likely never meet.

[@skidawg22]

Fellow Ex-Mormon here, living near the real Mormon Mecca (Independence, Missouri is less than an hour from me). I only started listening to Taylor's music recently because she's been spending a lot of her down time here (thanks Travis - by the way "Karma is the guy on the Chiefs"). From what I've noticed, Taylor isn't just Christian. She is very Christlike. Witness the fact that she pays her crews very, very well; tips very, very well; and gives a lot of her vast wealth to charity. Also important to point out that she's very close to her family.

[@charisepfahl7778]

75 year old, Christian woman who enjoys Taylor's music.

[@JordanandMcKay]

We love this!!!

[@charisepfahl7778]

I was babysitting and she was on one of those daytime talk shows. They played the video of "Shake." The baby (7 mos) got up on her hands and knees and was shaking her little butt. So cure. That was my intro to her music.

[@ambermchugh9381]

I did hear some radio programs discussing the financial impact the eras tour was having in each city. Add that to the ability to get the swifties to the polls and you know the Jim Bob duggers of the fundie political world are straight losing it

[@appledpickle]

I'm also 34 and not only do I hold hands with my friends, but I still hold my mom's hand regularly so I guess that makes me...a child? Is that what we're supposed to take from it. Seriously people.

[@susanstephan7689]

I still hold my kids' hands even though they're old enough to not need to anymore because it makes us both feel safe and loved. There's really nothing more to it than that.

[@GoatChampJ1]

Can I just say, I would LOVE to see a video on the deconstruction themes you're seeing in her work - not necessarily as a "Taylor Swift is deconstructing!" but more of a, "These themes resonate with my/our deconstruction journey and here is why." That would be an amazing video. As it was though. this was also incredible work, and much enjoyed! Thank you!

[@meggalaxy]

As a Catholic, I cannot believe how over reactive Christian extremists are getting with this… I’ve been a Catholic since birth and am now 22, and was a Swifitie around age 10/11 and just started really listening to her music again since last October. Also in Would’ve Could’ve Should’ve she was obviously using it as a metaphor for being in a relationship with an older person who took advantage of her naivety. They need to get some poetic literacy 😂

[@martanilsson94]

I grew up evangelical and it's fascinating how they'll find something demonic in everything. Looking like a demon? Probably demonic. Not looking like a demon but we don't like you? Demonic. Oh you're a woman? Probably demonic. My little pony? Gnomes? Pokemon? CLEARLY demonic (I wasn't allowed to watch Pokemon for this reason). There is no logic, just a lot of fear of anything they don't understand or can't control.

[@koukonei]

jordan that hair color is STUNNING on you

[@rhays615]

Well, now we have to buy the record and play it backwards to get the secret messages.

[@JordanandMcKay]

If you play a death metal record backwards you hear god

[@GracefullyAutistic]

I was waiting for someone to say this!

[@Corrin27]

When my sister and I were walking out of the stadium she asked me how I felt, and I was like “I feel like that didn’t just happen” 😂😂 I’m glad to know that there’s a scientific explanation for why it felt like a fever dream.

[@Darbster]

😅 25:36 promise? I want Taylor to crawl outta my tv and tell me when we're getting RepTV!

[@aseygirl9295]

First off - you guys are so incredibly authentic, down to earth, and honest - don’’t ever change and keep doing what your doing - your videos are so educational, insightful, and appreciated. ❤️ Secondly Jordan - your hair is slaying today - love it and I have hair envy!!

[@ShelbyTraughber]

47:25 Candance Owen sounds like a jealous 34 y.o. that has no friends and has no fun. I’m 31 and I hold my friends hands when we go out WHILE HAVING A GOOD TIME.

[@jountainfoanette6717]

She may be holding their hands because of camera flashes. It is hard to see with that many cameras flashing in your face and Brittany Mahomes may not be used to that. It is most likely for safety. And when did holding hands become a bad thing or sexual thing? So dumb!!

[@angiepeterson1282]

Not to mention she in going down stairs, likely in heels, with flashing lights, in a crowd… falling down the stairs or getting separated would be scary. Give me a break!

[@cavaexkd2689]

She sounds insane. She’s so embarrassing it’s funny.

[@moneystrb22]

It’s so funny any of this matters. Imagine if all the people who cared so much about Taylor swift went and helped people and animals. As a non-religious but spiritual person, none of this stuff ever crosses my mind. Ironically the only time I ever thought of about taylor swift is that she dresses relatively conservatively as a singer so it’s funny that that is one of the points you made bc I’ve notably thought of her as very covered up and thought she could let loose a bit.

[@marianna-sophiabegaysacaid494]

I love that picture of her when she was like 10 years old, saying that she’s demonic

[@timnewman1172]

Thank you Jordan & McKay for this! As a LGBTQIA+ ally & pro-choice Christian, I have sooo much respect for Taylor Swift... I think she is a fabulous role model!!!

[@gigsterpompom79]

Same here ❤❤❤

[@oellappen269]

You're not christian lmao

[@Alyssa_M513]

It's interesting how people have accused musicians of "demonism" and "witchcraft" basically since music existed. Paganini was famously rumored to have sold his soul to the devil because no one could believe that he was that good at violin without supernatural assistance. Some even believed he was the devil incarnate and made up all kinds of weird rumors about him, like lightning striking his bow during a concert, and people seeing a doppelganger of him with horns.

[@desertels5119]

Probably an extension if the church trying to control the arts and therefore human expression. Like anything that moves you without being holy is temptation

[@alexandra31301]

The hair!!! Both of you, your hair looks so good omg!!!

[@laycie_mnm]

When I was a tbm, I was super strict with music due to religious scrupulousity. But, I just avoided it, I didn't go out and attack the musician.

[@melisa8256]

When you were a tunnel boring machine? That does not make any sense.

[@RuxyMachal]

Ha! When you said they think the singers cast spells on you during the concert the only thing I can think of is the Sanderson sisters singing in hocus pocus 😂😂😂😂

[@Loren641]

Baaaahaaaaahaaaaa!!!

[@missvyxsin]

Friday the 13th is considered unlucky/cursed because it was the day/date of the epic massacre of The Knights Templar in the 1300's. Dozens of them were rounded up at dawn, tortured, and burned at the stake by the government & the Catholic church ostensibly for being heretics, but most likely to usurp their power and wealth, TBH. This event is forgotten by many, but the day/date has since been a bad omen/portent of doom down through the centuries in European-based cultures. Also? I loved the "Baker's Dozen" joke. You two are wonderful.

[@helenr4300]

And the idea of 13 at the table before Good Friday. (though technically meal was Thursday) but that is what I was taught. And that 13 was considered unlucky before Knights Templar

[@Dither87]

Although I'm not a big fan of her music, I could care less how Taylor lives her life. As long as she's happy and isn't hurting anyone, who cares? Also, as mid 30 something I think friends should be allowed to platonically hold each others hands. When little kids do it, people see it as cute. But God forbid you keep doing it as an adult. /s Personally I think it's really sweet that she feels comfortable doing that with her besties.

[@marljusweety]

When I was around 13-14 years old (I am 45 now) there was 3 girls in my class in school who were mormons. (Although that name was not used here. At the time they called themselves "Smith's venner", meaning "Friends of Smith". They no longer use that name either.) I was curious as to why they all had so many siblings and a friend told me their religion called for every married couple to aim for having 12 kids, but never more than that. And that was because if they had more, the 13th kid would be a Judas, a traitor. Now, my source was another kid my age, so questionable at best, but I talked to others since then and it seems to be the accepted theory by all. Of course I never dared ask the mormon kids themselves. 😅 But in my defense, they got teased enough for having lots of siblings and having to wear long skirts and braided hair all the time, so I didnt want to add to their feeling different in school. They were nice kids and I hope they felt included despite some people being idiots.

[@NurseMagsy]

Dude. They were probably polygamy kids! ❤

[@MonaLyssa33]

"Werewolf Bar Mitzvah, spooky, scary. Boys becoming men, men becoming wolves..." That was my ringtone back when I actually kept my ringer on, so I loved the little 30 Rock shout out. 😂

[@JordanandMcKay]

One of my proudest cutaway jokes.

[@maggietiong6153]

Loved it too! When I heard "Spooky, scary", I got excited. 🤣

[@dramonmaster222]

Happy Friday Jordan and McKay.

[@bryncheeze8970]

Grid bless Tom & Bologna

[@timnewman1172]

Love to the Orange Bois!

[@JordanandMcKay]

bologna was heavily involved in the making of this video lmao

[@English3Muffin]

This was a fun intersection of my interests. Thank you! I agree with your overall assessment. People take things too literally or don’t bother looking deeper. It’s clear to me there are certain themes, archetypes, and historical figures that she gravitates to in her writing. I really enjoy her ability to connect something she’s personally going through to something beyond her. It’s part of what has continued her success, to make something that’s so personal to her so universal. Witchcraft themes are especially heavy because of the ‘witch hunts’ that have followed her throughout her career- 2016 especially. I found it surprising that you said no one talks about The Prophecy. Somehow I breezed past all those other religious references in TTPD and assumed the outrage was towards The Prophecy. Anyway, loved this video. Thank you both, as always. 😊

[@sweigh72]

You know I can’t wait for this …

[@soggytortillla]

“We declared charlie puth should be a bigger artist” IS in fact a demonic evil lyric, I think the fundies are onto something!!!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Charlie Puth should stay making viral TikTok songs; where he belongs.

[@allisongensemer2547]

PA native here. She actually did not move to TN until she was 14, so she actually spent the majority of her childhood years in Wyomissing, PA (just outside of Reading), a very affluent area but also with a conservative atmosphere back then (more liberal nowadays). My cousin actually had her math book from 4th grade! Small world

[@maliaareneee]

As a Christian, the hate for her is literally stupid. She uses metaphors, like so many other artists… like what is the issue 😂

[@mommyofkittens4809]

Wow! Temper tantrums already and the video hasn’t even premiered.

[@JordanandMcKay]

lol I shouldn't be surprised!

[@3vaniamaria]

NO are you kidding me? The exact same time as porgans new evangelicals premiere? How am I supposed to choose?

[@smilingjacks83]

What's this other premiere? Sounds interesting

[@3vaniamaria]

​@@smilingjacks83 on paul and Morgan's channel. They are fundamentalists whom Jordan and McKay often critique

[@JordanandMcKay]

We delayed it by an hour and a half so now you don’t have to choose! 🩵

[@3vaniamaria]

@@JordanandMcKay omg for real? grid bless!

[@helenr4300]

If not remembering something you were at = under a spell - then how many church sermons; college lectures; plenty of other things

[@zoekirk1848]

Sooooooo many Christians have a double standard wherein “if we do magic it’s good, and we won’t even call it magic, but if people we don’t like do magic it’s evil/witchcraft/sorcery”

[@redcedarandpetrichor]

That trading spouses episode altered my brain chemistry forever. Also I’m in my mid thirties and don’t think it’s weird to hold a friend’s hand. Candace just doesn’t know what it’s like to have friends.

[@MrzBulldoppz]

Thank you for your time and energy!!! ❤

[@smurph13]

My feelings towards Taylor are neutral I'm simply watching this because I like your channel. But omfg to learn at nearly 39 years old that "concert amnesia" is a legitimate thing is SO FKN VALIDATING. I had no clue! 😭 Over the last 25 years I've been to so, SO many live shows..holy crap the $$ I've spent on tickets and travel..! Only to barely remember anything I've actually seen lol. I can only recall a handful of songs, definitely don't remember full set lists. But I remember the energy. The feelings. I know for a fact I had an amazing time at virtually every concert and it's always bothered me I couldn't remember most details. Now knowing this is a thing that happens to many people and it's not just my crappy memory makes me so happy. 😭

[@COMamaBear]

I just listened to the book Die With Zero. It's about spending money on experiences doing things we love or giving to people we love during our lifetime. It hit a chord with me in a similar manner. A lot of memories are even better down the road because we remember the happy emotions and not the stressful parts. ❤

[@arosemorose]

I need a shirt that just says "I don't fuck with bakers dozens"

[@JimmyH91]

32 about to be 33 here, just here to report that my jimmies are profoundly unrustled about any and all hand holding that Taylor Swift and Brittany Mahomes want to do.

[@marianna-sophiabegaysacaid494]

Well, if that’s all that it takes, then my cousin could be Taylor Swift because she looks a lot like her. I don’t think she’s a musician, but she does look like her.

[@catherinem1683]

Jordan your hair looks amazing!!!

[@kyerin]

47:27 Candace has clearly never experienced the bonding that can happen in the girls' bathroom at a club and honestly that makes me sad for her.

[@BlessYourHeart254]

Fundies hate strong, powerful women, especially rich ones who DGAF about their misogyny

[@rebeccacampbell585]

Zombia Taylor (28:20) is a reference to her being a ghost of herself, like the character Miss Havisham in Great Expectations by Charles Dickens. She is even wearing a white floofy wedding dress in the performance like Miss Havisham. Also she is sort of a thwarted bride like Miss Havisham. That's one of the big themes of ttpd.

[@heavenj7]

I’m a 53 yr old woman and when I’m in crowded spots with lights going off etc like a concert or anything crazy? Yes I hold my friends hand or link arms ! Candy needs to get a grip! Or get gripped ? I’m not sure 🤔

[@OMGitsaClaire]

I have a few perspectives here: I used to be an assistant to the youth pastor for a conservative Presbyterian church. At every conference we took those kids to, there would be a Christian music CD table with these guys who would always ask you what your favorite secular music was and then hand you a CD saying “this is a Christian version of that artist.” The Christian music industry is way more commercial than you’d think it would be. The other is that I live in the town Taylor “grew up in” in Tennessee. It is in no way a quaint small town. It’s a suburb of Nashville on Old Hickory Lake. There are 2 million dollar houses here. Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash lived here. Conway Twitty lived here. It was the place to live for country artists in the 70’s. We’re about 15 minutes from Nashville metro city limits and 25 minutes away from Broadway in Nashville. It’s a suburb, a bedroom community. We have Target, Sam’s Club, and basically every chain restaurant in existence. Also, in like 2010 she donated money to the city for a new playground at the park. All the little plastic flags on the play castle have her signature engraved into them. It’s kinda weird.

[@SemiIocon]

All these "associations" they keep "finding", I can only think of Pepe Silvia from Always Sunny.

[@PrincessJamiG]

Your kid sings "Paper Rings" when he goes to sleep?? That killed me with cuteness.

[@owlgirl1998]

Why can't these people hate her for a semi-valid reason like idk the hundreds of tons of carbon emissions? Honestly as someone who is on the neutral to dislike end of the spectrum of caring about Taylor they need to stop being such pick me's and let her live her fucking life

[@alisonkitchin7581]

It’s crazy how these performers get out and perform for such long times- I suggest also looking at Bruce Springsteen- he goes out at his age and does 3-4 hour shows, he may not have the choreographed dances that Taylor has but he is out there dancing, jumping, and getting crazy- even at 74 years old. He’s amazing and his stamina is similar to Taylor. I love them both so much! (I suggest watching some Springsteen from 2016 or so! Those shows were amazing, though he still does it nightly, a lot of us die hard fans don’t care for his static set lists.)

[@stevedorecharley2849]

31:00 So 12 is good, 13 is the most satanic, horrible number in the entire universe. Got it.

[@elapid_skeptic]

8:31 OMG I LOVE ALLY SHEEHAN TOO! I love her takes on Tay’s lyrics! 😍

[@HeiwaTori]

yeah with post concert amnesia, Ive been to 1 irl concert (got another in September omg Im so exited for Aespa!!) & I didnt remember the whole thing on the way home lol (it was CNBlue btw) Ive also watched several livestreamed concerts (this is common in kpop since 2020 btw) & Im damn glad I reocrded them cos I could NOT remeber half the things that happened it was like "damn that opening was dope" "go off Taeil & Haechan" "damn Johnnys naked now" "Yuta kicked his shoe into the crowd lmao" "oh no my son Doyoung is crying 😭 my HEART" & thats all i remembered from this 3 hour long concert lol... (even worse was the like 6 hour long one from SMtown, they do it every year & every year i remember like half the performances & then the DJ afterparty (I highly recommend watching these btw they're streamed live, free on KZbin) @46:50 Im aorace, I hold my friends hands, I also sometimes hold my parents hands, its just a sign of affection bro... @53:50 I've found yet another way to bring this back to kpop lmao but one of my ult groups is called NCTDream when they debuted they were all teens & made 'younger' sounding music (still absolute BOPS though) but as they grew older their music changed wioth them, theyre now all adults & have a lot more grown up music (still BOPS omgtheyresogood), they grew with their audience & now they doing shit like THIS (the one on the left is Mark debuted at 17 now 25, the one on the right is Jisung debuted at 14 now 22): kzbin.infodebVBCjlXvY , also this is 'certified babygirl' line (both debuted at 16 now 24): kzbin.infoS8s52Wg732c Also Jordans hair looks SO PRETTY in this vid, idk what youre ding but it looks gorgeous!

[@some_condiment]

sending positive vibes (1e^23 positrons) to Jordan so she can recover from her pain-reducing surgery faster! unfamiliar with the specifics but chronic pain is something i can really sympathize with. grid speed!

[@cc-hk5ih]

Ps Strong Single Straight Independant woman here. Never married and that is my life. I wish religions and society would recognise that sometimes their trad view doesnt always work for people. At least Im not locked into a loveless or unequal marriage and wow can you believe Im happy with my life? cc

[@redrobynyum216]

Okay okay but in but daddy I love him she says things like "I just learned these people raise you to cage you. Sarahs and Hannahs in their Sunday best clutching their pearls sighing what a mess I just learned these people try and save you because they HATE YOU" !?!?!? And and then the whole bridge is so. As someone who has deconstructed their Christian beliefs these lyrics hit HOME

[@sarahlarson2773]

Jordan your hair is incredible! Love it!

[@_Nat_A_]

I grew up in the era of playing records backwards because hardcore Christians could hear demonic messages. We tried it on everything, from Prince to even Amy Grant, and didn’t hear a word of English.😂😂😂

[@SartorialDragon]

35:39 i have zero understanding how someone's values can lead to being upset at someone who supports public healthcare and rights for BIPoC and LGBTQIA+ people. That's seriously messed up.

[@totallynotacultleader]

JORDAN YOUR HAIR YOU ARE SLAYINGG

[@Anne-fz8ey]

I actually can’t remember if I went to her 1989 tour. I think I did and I vaguely remember the very opening starting with WTNY but that’s all I remember. I have no clue if I was there or if I saw it online. I’m someone who never takes pictures to preserve memories so I have no clue lol Now I have an explanation for why. I didn’t realize it was common to forget concerts

[@Ablank2011]

I used to work in healthcare and the use of antidepressants in Utah was literally seven times the average of the rest of the US.

[@Butterfly-ql4pg]

As a side note, I appreciate you guys somewhat discussing conspiracies that accuse random celebrities of worshipping Satan. They practically make my brain bleed with how stupid they are 😂

[@sofcarolq]

As a huge swiftie myself i have been looking for more folks who grew up in fundie circles discussing this!! (I love ally's videos and i point people to her all the time). From the perspective of a fan who has been dissecting her discography since 2008, i have honestly seen signs of her unpacking and deconstructing her faith for years now- arguably as far back as the speak now album. I think this is such an interesting topic, great video!

[@shannonpatronymic6096]

Dang, the carpool line's gonna start too soon for me, all of a sudden. Last day of school, hardly anyone showed, it appears. Can't be watchin' at 70mph. :( I'll watch tonight. I hope to learn a bit about Ms.Swift. Edit: nope, they're just gonna have to learn about Jordan and McKay. We'll listen at 70mph. They know about Ms. Swift. They can help me.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Lmao! We delayed the video for an hour and a half by popular request so now you have some extra time before it starts!

[@shannonpatronymic6096]

​@@JordanandMcKay The kids wanted me to stay for supper and ice cream so i watched when i got home. Their dad (my nephew) and I ended up in a discussion afterward, prompted in part by this video (which I hadn't yet seen) and the Mark Pope hire at UK (which prompted me to give up Kentucky basketball and then by logical extension all U.S. sports above high school level). I left the church shortly before he was born and was shocked to hear I'd been a Mormon.

[@Snooznoo]

I'm 33 and I could not care less if someone my age was holding hands with their friend because I'm busy living my own life.

[@meganbybee9947]

Jordan your hair is just amazing! Love the color and it looks so good! McKay your hair is also amazing but Jordan is really stealing the spotlight this time!

[@sofialuciap]

cute hair Jordan!!!

[@cassgle]

I am not a Taylor Swift fan but I kind of wonder if the level of obsession some swifties have is kind of why people hate her? Like just another way to say "I'm not of the world" by being different?

[@amy1062]

Jordan’s hair looks fire in this video. Like wowwww 😻 stunning

[@meliyaramirez3305]

Your hair looks so lovely Jordan! like a shampoo commercial!! Also, I didn't know about Friday being a 'cursed' day lol

[@jenns5586]

"I mean we do have 'spelling is fun'..." LMAO

[@JordanandMcKay]

She flabbergasted me

[@khaIid624]

They do this with every popular artist ex: Beyonce, Rihanna, Doja Cat

[@SoobySays]

I’m 34 and holding hands is totally fine. CO is giving “I wish someone would hold my hand.”

[@JordanandMcKay]

Candace is giving I wish someone would _be my friend_