Why Do Creators Hate Adobe So Much?

[@SarimAshrafi]

Seriously, Adobe's subscription plans are ridiculously expensive.

[@spicychad55]

I heard they wanted $50 a month or whatever just to use a "special" black color in their own program!

[@masterstacks2030]

Also, ridiculously hard to cancel

[@jakeroper1096]

One of my favorite long term stock investments: ADBE

[@ChristofHaemmerle]

it's a disaster... can't wait for them to go under ;) So sad Figma sold their soul ;(

[@coolinmac]

@@spicychad55 nonsense

[@Sinfilled66]

Why does a software program have a termination fee?!? That's actually insane lol.

[@ravitejaknts]

Because people will buy it, use it for their need and then they will cancel the subscripion. Anyhow, the way they are doing it is insane.

[@neontd]

@@ravitejaknts So, why is that their business? Adobe is getting their money.

[@enzocaputodevos]

Procreate, Nomad

[@ravitejaknts]

@@neontd I am talking about Refund amount. Cancelling subscription is fine. But if they have to refund the amount, they will cut a termination fee even though you just subscribed.

[@KRYMauL]

Because there's nothing you can do about it. Monopolies can get away with stuff like that if there's no competition.

[@SuperVGBoy]

I think the fact that nearly every college graphic design/art class only teaches with Adobe products' UI and interface in mind is also a contributing factor in why most people can't easily quit Adobe. Trying to follow along with lessons with an alternative program just isn't very simple to do.

[@doingtime20]

Though that follows that in the industry everybody uses Adobe, it's a self feeding loop.

[@sillybeanthing]

It's exactly why Maya is used instead of blender for 3D modeling software. Beyond the fact that companies are scared of not obsessively paying for things, it's also because either they get some kind of deal with them, or they know that 90% of the people coming out of college (who also got a severe discount) will get their company to buy and use Maya if they aren't already because that is all they know. Autodesk actually sucks about having stable software just as much as Adobe.

[@randoguy7488]

@@sillybeanthing There's also the issue with support. When you're paying for Maya or Photoshop you know who to call when an issue comes up. With open-source all you can do is submit a bug on the issue-tracker and hope that some dev in the future will pick up the issue and start working on it.

[@pieterluyten3559]

@@randoguy7488 or you can pay a developer to fix it themselves, once and for all

[@talkysassis]

@@pieterluyten3559 Yeah, if you can pay for pid software, why not pay them to that? You can even set the same price. If a bunch of people do that, you get 100% support.

[@davidphillips9366]

Years ago I paid about $500 for a license for Adobe’s web suite. I mainly just bought it for Photoshop. A couple of years later randomly one day my software stopped working and said it was an invalid license and that I needed to buy their subscription to continue using the product. After that happened I didn’t care about “doing it the right way” to support the company anymore so I just pirated software so I could continue using what I had already paid for.

[@sirbigdaddyalpha]

Nice. Do u have the Pirated software for Mac os?

[@davidphillips9366]

@@sirbigdaddyalpha Windows

[@bhargavjitbhuyan9394]

@@sirbigdaddyalpha ya you can get it at many websites.

[@FHL-Devils]

The nerve of many companies selling 'lifetime' licenses to drum up revenue - just to turn around and say "we didn't mean YOUR lifetime".....

[@robocatssj3theofficial]

lol, you alr paid for it so technically it's not even pirating.

[@ZnidericPhotography]

The termination fee part is absolutely disgusting on their part. I use adobe with a student discount that they require me to renew every year. My discount ran out and they started charging me the regular subscription without notification. When i went to renew the subscription after noticing that i was charged full price, i found out i couldnt simply renew it. I had to cancel my subscription to renew my student discount. Lo and behold, there was the termination fee, a whopping 160€. Yes, 160 god damn euros. I skipped the phone thing entirely and was lucky that their twitter support employee was really generous in canceling my subscription for free given i was gonna restart it instantly but with a student discount. I was lucky. But a termination fee for a subscription? What? Why?

[@blondbraid7986]

Termination fees should be illegal. Seriously, it's ursury and extortion.

[@corvacopia]

I called their customer support when that happened to me and they cancelled it too, but too many people would just eat the cost

[@CubeInspector]

​@@blondbraid7986termination fees are not usury. Usury is interest on loans. The world functions on usury. Theyre never going to be illegal because it's a voluntary contract you chose to enter into, most contracts have termination penalties. The underlying issue is subscriptions in general we need to stop giving Adobe money

[@incendiaire_]

theres a loophole where if you change your subscription plan you have a new 7 days trial where you can terminate your plan for free! thats what i did recently, i had a sub plan for photoshop and wanted to cancel it, so i subscribe to something else instead and instantly canceled it. I had my money back and no termination fee.

[@Comrade_Akimov]

Well “it’s in the contract “

[@mubindidit230]

The mindset of "Adobe is getting my creative things done" was the main barrier for me. But once I get out of my comfort zone and invest only 1 week, stopped taking projects for 2 weeks... I replaced - premiere pro with Davinchi Resolve (Free) - Illustrator with Affinity Designer 2 (One time fee) - Photoshop with Affinity Photo 2 (One time fee) - and switched to Figma (free) from Adobe XD long time ago. Yeah, it was hard to replace the Adobe suite but to break the monopoly, I better choose the best alternatives. Now, I am fully Interagated with the new workflow.

[@sihamhamda47]

Just hoping they wouldn't follow the evil "subscription" way. They are now the very last hope for any creators who are looking for editing software with one time purchase and lifetime license

[@rudolfkorcsmaros]

And here comes the fact, that Figma has been already acquired by Adobe...

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@sihamhamda47 あっぷ

[@Slada1]

There is no non-adobe alternative to figma or adobe XD :(ˇ

[@nizu9544]

GIMP KDENLIVE KIRITA

[@karlzhu99]

You asked "why does Adobe have such a disparity between happy employees and angry customers?" To me it seems obvious. I worked at both a monopoly and a consultancy with competitors. The difference in stress level is so apparent. Being an employee of a monopoly is great - there's no competition and no pressure to improve your product and to provide great customer service. There is no disparity, it's a direct relationship: the customers are angry BECAUSE the employees are too comfortable not doing their jobs to a high standard.

[@vikrantsingh6023]

I mean that seems to be true..but if they do the other way round people will be pissed again...I think a middle ground needs to be reached

[@harryhack91]

It might be true, but remember that the developers are like the front-line soldiers, they are just following orders. If a developer is asked to implement an intentionally badly designed feature, they will do it. Going one step up (or more) in the hierarchy, if a software architect/engineer is asked to come up with some silly feature that is unlikely to provide any real value to customers but it would be easy to implement, they will just write the design for it. So... ultimately the upper management is the one really at fault here. Of course, there are probably some lazy developers out there, but then again, the people in the upper management should be the ones responsible to prevent that behaviour and to scold those lazy bastards when applicable.

[@vikrantsingh6023]

@@harryhack91 yes I think you are right...but I think this primarily happenes since there is no competition..hence nobody has to even try, plus giving such good work culture will make potential recruits not consider the competition even if they existed....and I think this is their actual plan

[@karlzhu99]

@@harryhack91 yes agreed management is responsible. I guess no one likes to be strict for no reason - why have tight deadlines and stress your engineers out when it has no effect on the bottom line? But that eventually breeds a "comfortable" culture that will hopefully get outcompeted.

[@Sandstimes]

The issue isn't people getting "comfortable". You're right in that their monopoly is responsible for the shit costumer treatment, but not because their employees aren't suffering enough, it's because the higher ups know they can get away with jacking up the prices to their hearts content because they're running the industry standard. I think drawing a correlation between treating your employees with basic decency (which should be the standard) and treating your customers poorly is setting a bad precedent

[@brianh9358]

I began hating Adobe all the way back in 1994 when they acquired my favorite graphic design software company at the time - Aldus Corporation. Most people don't even remember Aldus, but they pioneered a large portion of the graphic tech that Adobe based their future success on. They were the makers of Pagemaker (first desktop publishing program), Photostyler (a competitor to Photoshop), After Effects (still the same name with Adobe), Intellidraw (Vector drawing - features merged with Illustrator), Freehand (vector drawing purchased by Macromedia), and many other graphic and pre-press software products. My hate for Adobe grew each time they devoured another competitor. When they eventually released Creative Cloud it was the culmination of their efforts to monopolize the graphic design business. I use Affinity products, Davinci, and anything else I can in order not to use Adobe.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha nearly 30 years tenure for hating Adobe

[@brianh9358]

@@LogicallyAnswered Yeah, a long time to hate.. lol.

[@BlueSquatchproductions]

If more people were that principled companies would have to act differently

[@khevblond17]

Yo, we have a Generational Hater here 🤣

[@twotails]

Man's dislike is profound 😭

[@t.s.9996]

I was a loyal Adobe customer for over 20-years. Now I use DaVinci Resolve...and Adobe can take a long walk off a short pier!!!

[@mawnkey]

I saw Adobe's pattern of behavior way back before they shifted over to a subscription model and abandoned them. I've never regretted my decision.

[@AugerHybrid]

Being more liked by employees than customers must be unique characteristic for company.

[@henryfleischer404]

Wizards of the Coast?

[@QTwoSix]

@@henryfleischer404 I disagree heavily, why would we dislike a company that makes the things we love?

[@henryfleischer404]

@@QTwoSix Well, a bunch of people are mad about the OGL 1.1 controversy, and those psudo-magic card things they released recently. My dad, however, loves his job there.

[@QTwoSix]

@@henryfleischer404 well does it really matter, it's just some mistakes, recent ones at that. These are the only ones I've heard of, and they're not that serious.

[@kikixchannel]

@@QTwoSix What does liking a product have to do with liking a company? This is a pretty exaggerate example but...does liking marihuana (let's say, where it's legal) mean liking the maker of it (which may very well be a literal mafia)? That's absurd. Likewise there are many video games that on their own I like, but companies that make them are utter garbage. I like Plants VS Zombies for example, but I hate EA. I like Assassins Creed Black Flag but Ubisoft is a terrible company to me (as a consumer, even without the internal issues with them). Also the change to the OGL was absolutely MASSIVE with potential to ruin the entire landscape! How do you consider it 'not serious'!

[@Biajuuu]

Remember kids, pirating adobe product is always morally correct 👍

[@Biajuuu]

@Mukul Yadav same lol

[@matheuspires2462]

I still doing it xd

[@Biajuuu]

@@matheuspires2462 me too

[@matheuspires2462]

@@Biajuuu cool

[@1sannn]

If you want an older software you can't even authenticate it anymore. Hope they vet broken up into 20 separate companies because of their almost monopoly

[@MrMagnaFarce]

I babysat for an Adobe employee at my church a couple times when I was a teenager. His kid spat on me. I think about that every time I think about Adobe software.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha, looks like you were scarred for life

[@modolief]

Loooollll !!!

[@mufeedco]

Now, I'll think the same...

[@MinAwY377]

Kids take after their parents I guess

[@Nightroast]

i wouldnt blame adobe in this situation

[@DannyVdesign]

1:36 they're not collecting peoples data or violating their privacy WELL THAT STATEMENT DIDN'T AGE WELL ADOBE

[@ABitofEpicness]

Lmfao yea

[@sohailrahman735]

i knew someone came to the future and said this like me 😂

[@NelsonStJames]

Adobe used to be considerably pro-independent creator. As soon as they went to subscription rather than allowing the option to own your software, the writing was on the wall -- they didn't care about independent creators, or the hobbyist. At this point as solo and freelance creators we're all looking for an alternative to Adobe, and pretty much everything else that started off as pro-creator and became anti-creator as soon as the money got too good.

[@maikeru6158]

Adobe is the worst example of a monopoly. Nice to see they treat their employees so well, but I still think their products are best to be pirated, or replaced with open source alternatives

[@Lucrativecris]

I always get the pirated version too Damn expensive and there’s no lifetime price

[@Thispersonisreal]

@@Lucrativecris there are alternatives, im currently saving up for a lifetime purchase of toonboom harmony (i'm an animator, know how to use adobe animate but eventually i dont want to support adobe products

[@beerosaurusrex]

You're free to go use other tools. You don't though because Adobe are still the best options. Plus, imagine if there were hypothetically 3 equivalent versions of all Adobe programs, so for every design job you might possibly need to know 3 equivalents of Photoshop, 3 equivalents of Illustrator, etc. It'd be a nightmare.

[@Thispersonisreal]

also always remember, pirating adobe products is always morally correct

[@zadock6370]

yeah, I use open source video editing and image editing software so I don't have to pay anything.

[@kizito2030]

Illustrator has serious competitors. Coreldraw and open source inkscape. Doing fantastic work.

[@tilsgee]

I want to use it. But the problem is, Inkscape don't have store versions like krita.

[@tonymouannes]

The real strength of adobe are photoshop, premiere and light room. Premiere is the most complete editing software on the market, even it's highest end competitors have less features. Photoshop is a monopoly for so long, making it hard for a competitor to even try and compete. Never used lightroom myself, but everyone talks about how helpful it is.

[@DIEGO.L]

Ironically, all the lastest versions of CorelDraw, from X7 forward, are much more stable than Illustrator, less resource consuming and less prone to crashing. It use to be the other way around. Plus CorelDraw has all of the InDesign capabilities within it.

[@houssamalucad753]

But no one really competing with After Effects yet

[@modcolocko]

@@tilsgee Why do you need a version from the windows store?

[@zeghetti595]

Using photoshop feels like you’re tricking it into doing what you want it to do

[@azuurasmr7937]

Same with illustrator

[@QTwoSix]

I just use Gimp

[@melzyy]

@@QTwoSix chad

[@greenberrygk]

That feels like most image editing software

[@chaon93]

@@QTwoSix gimp is honestly awful these days. photopea, a free web based editor, blows it out of the water.

[@DozerfleetProd]

Not invading privacy? They use spyware to find versions of their old software and delete or disable it, so they can force you to upgrade to their subscription model! That may not be as evil as what some companies do, but it's definitely one reason I started learning Affinity!

[@kelandryyemrot1387]

There was a time when I wanted to learn to use photoshop. I ended up using GIMP instead because it was free. When I finally had my own money and could afford it, they had switched to this dumb subscription thing and I decided it wasn't worth learning. Although it could have been useful, I avoid subscription stuff. I hate all this subscription stuff nowadays. Unless you are required to have it for your job, it's not worth it. There are things I want to do that I can't do without photoshop, so I simply just give up on it or ask a friend who has photoshop to do it for me. It's less accessible to non-professionals. Plus, when I was younger (in the age of Myspace), it seemed half the people I new had photoshop. It was THE program to have if you liked editing photos or creating art. I don't know many people who use the program anymore. Even friends who used to gave up on it when it went to subscription. I think that's kind of sad.

[@animatewithdermot]

My recommendation for people who just want to use it as originally intended is to get a late CS version (5.1 or 6), second hand (NOT downloaded from their cloud). Might be tricky to get, but they're out there.

[@daveindezmenez]

A good program in between Photoshop and GIMP is Affinity Photo which you buy once rather than rent every month. Adobe embracing AI irresponsibly is a way of cannibalizing their users.

[@samdavepollard]

photopea is worth checking out

[@Foervraengd]

My favourite part with adobe is when I am forced to update photoshop to the next version and the only noticeable difference is that they switch the shift function with transform tool. Something that absolutely nobody asked for. I also love that they named their vector program "Illustrator", making it impossible for illustrators to find open jobs listings because 99% of the results are looking for someone who can use the software for graphic design. And not... and illustrator.

[@sinemedev7840]

Similar nightmare for software developers using Visual Studio. Ask a Visual Studio question, get a Visual Studio CODE answer. Both are from Microsoft but vastly different software. Why, just why, Microsoft?

[@Josuh]

just search for Adobe Illustrator?

[@xwhitelight]

⁠@@JosuhHe means the illustrators want to find their actual "illustrator" job, not the program.

[@xwhitelight]

@@JosuhPeople who want the job that requires Adobe Illustrator can easily add Adobe to clarify, but not the other way around.

[@animatewithdermot]

@@xwhitelight They could rename 'Adobe Illustrator' to "Adobe OhGodThisProgramSucks'. That would work for me.

[@TrueDiox]

Well, it's hard to ignore the thought that much of their amazing company culture comes financed by their unethical milking of their customers, which in turn also helps them buy out the competition. Not sure I can really celebrate a company's internal culture when their external culture is hot garbage.

[@flintfrommother3gaming]

@40two Nintendo exists you know, they've always make one of the best games year to year but they still are good at handling their workers.

[@bluelotus.society]

@40two Yes there is.

[@Goldfire345]

@@flintfrommother3gaming actually they've been starting to get allegations of unethical work practices too as of last year atleast with Nintendo of America so they're starting to lean that way too

[@soheil4471]

@@flintfrommother3gaming yeah their games are really good but their customer support is pretty shit and they often milk their playerbase as much as they can

[@Entropy67]

@@flintfrommother3gaming bruh Nintendo is absolutely hated by its community for destroying countless events and tournaments based on their games, failing to communicate, they are generally considered to be aggressively overprotective of their IP.

[@sohigh10]

I absolutely love Affinity Publisher for my social media and physical promo design needs. It's much more useful and flexible, and it doesn't require constantly switching between Illustrator, Photoshop and inDesign to get a single thing done.

[@KRYMauL]

Because they're all built in right?

[@YargonK]

@@KRYMauL Yes, if you have AFDesign and AFPhoto as well, their entire tool-sets will be available inside AFPublisher. They also all use the same files, so there's just a button to switch your current project to a different software (you don't even need to have saved first, which is pretty nice for small every-day uses). Over-all, Affinity is absolutely phenominal software, at a very affordable, one-time price.

[@KRYMauL]

@@YargonK That's great.

[@KipVaughan]

I have used Designer and Photo extensively but haven't given Publisher much chance since it has been the newer less refined tool. With version 2 I am thinking about giving it another chance. I had Quark installed too but that is way to big of a pain in the butt.

[@UnbekannterSoldat74]

@@KipVaughan wow, quark can certainly be considered an artefact from long bygone times.

[@dragoness777]

5:54 there are cheaper of even free alternatives to Photoshop and Illustrator, and some that basically combine the two. For example, Krita can handle both raster and vector in the same file. It can also handle animations, although not as efficiently as programs that are specifically for animation (and yes there are alternative animation software too).

[@zetwave]

Photopea is the best

[@jackgreen05]

Photopea, Affinity Photo, GIMP, Krita, we have many alternatives!

[@exogendesign4582]

@@jackgreen05 yeah but all of those alternative are pure garbage, beside affinity photo but most of the time Photoshop is 10,000 better. Even though I hate adobe so much for pure garbage products nothing can match PS in terms of Features.

[@marksmith4862]

When Abobe announced their subscription model in 2012 I ordered the very last hard copy version, CS6, and have used that ever since. It's more than I needed for my business and most of the upgraded features were nothing more than gimmicks. The best investment I ever made was purchasing that upgrade. I'm now retired and very rarely use this software. The only downside is that I can't upgrade my system software past OX10.13.6 or use a new computer as they've made sure that there's built in obsolescence should you need to go this route. Luckily there's plenty of old Macs on the market should my current computers give up the ghost and I need to run my CS6 version. I'd been using Adobe products since 1989.

[@hurdygurdyguy1]

I have an old HP desktop running WinXP 😆 and use PS CS3, it still performs very well! Caveat: I do have a newer HP with Win11 and CS4...if I do decide to upgrade PS I will only go as far as CS6, the cloud CC stuff is bull$ht, I stay away from all things "cloud"

[@SinYingWong]

Recently I have been using the electric drill analogy to describe the absurdity of subscription model. Imagine you just need an electric drill for one hobby project, but you were forced to pay subscription to 'own' that drill for the month/year. That's not all, the supplier forces you to buy the entire toolkit bundle with tools that you don't even use. You were promised tool upgrades regularly but the upgrades weren't even good. Then when you want to return the drill/tool you're CHARGED for it (termination fee).

[@MinAwY377]

Really good analogy tbh

[@rubyrubenstahl827]

My biggest annoyance with adobe is that similar functionality is implemented differently in different apps. Especially when it comes to keyboard shortcuts and the ui/ux for layers.

[@blokvader8283]

Oh my god, I absolutely hate the differences between softwares They're all made by the same company, yet so many things between Photoshop, Premiere, and Animate (the main three I use often) are WILDLY different it sucks so much.

[@dekkeroid2962]

The shortcuts in Photoshop gave me cancer

[@sillybeanthing]

Same with Maya

[@redotix9952]

@@blokvader8283 The reason this is the case is because they arent mad by the same companies. What Adobe does is they buy out any company that makes any decent piece of software and rebrands them under the Adobe name. Thats why every app is so different, because they are made by completely different companies originally.

[@aoikishi99]

@@dekkeroid2962 alt ctrl and scroll just for zoom in out, the horror man. Rotate using R is probably the only default shortcut that have good functionality

[@kmydet]

for adobe products, i either pirate or lie and say i'm a teacher/student. their pricing is absolutely ridiculous

[@ThatsJustEric]

How do you get the student discount

[@TunaIRL]

The truth is, if you can't afford adobe, theres literally no reason for you to use it. Just use the free alternatives lmao

[@kmydet]

if you think you can find a free alternative to substance painter, be my guest

[@TunaIRL]

@@kmydet I guess you also do work for free then. Didn't think of that, that's when pirating would probably make sense.

[@belzagar]

@@TunaIRL You can't just not use it. Substance painter is an industry standard and there's no other app nearly as fleshed out as it

[@Spencer-wc6ew]

Several years ago, I spent $25 on Clip Studio Paint. I stopped using Photoshop, because CSP felt objectively better in every possible way (related to drawing). And that $25 was a one time payment. CSP 2 is out, and I can upgrade to it for another $25 (when on sale). But I still have the first version forever.

[@zolfirthedragon]

I did the same!

[@michelekoi]

I'm a digital illustrator, I switched to Clip Studio some weeks ago and it was the best decision ever. I was paying R$90/month to get Photoshop. Also CSP is better to create things like comics

[@urlocalcrypt1d762]

Yes! You can also import 3D models into clip and manipulate them to get poses, not just use the ones it comes with. It has an animation bit included in the slightly more expensive version too

[@manahapu]

Need anti-trust laws to actually apply to these tech companies.

[@General_Belu]

We can’t, companies will lobby the government against this.

[@General_Belu]

@RizqanArt Yup…

[@MimOzanTamamogullar]

@RizqanArt AI art is a totally different thing. It's a whole new technology and the implimentation of a new technology should always be encouraged. People who worked with horses probably didn't like the car, artists probably didn't like the camera, people whose job it was to write probably didn't like the printing press and the people whose job it was to handle lights probably didn't like the light bulb. However, your life is significantly better due to these inventions. In the past, you needed money or skill to get art you can use. Today, you can do it for free without skill. That will enable so much creativity once the technology develops further. Institutions are inherently conservative and will fight any progress as new means of production tends to make their leaders lose their jobs. The way to counter-balance things could be to create a social safety net and make progress a cultural norm.

[@anversailles]

@@MimOzanTamamogullar AI art is only as good as it is because it has excellent training data it has obtained through unethical means. LAION-5B even has personal medical records it obtained without consent. I can see AI being very useful for animation studios who can use their own data to train models, but for the publicly available ones, it is terrible to encourage use as long as these ethical problems with training data exist. Plus AI art is limited by the data it is trained on, it is in no way shape or form better than someone who actually knows how to tell a story. It enables people without skill to “make” art but it ultimately dumbs down creativity if not properly guided.

[@MimOzanTamamogullar]

@@anversailles I don't get why you think training AI is unethical. Thanks to them, anyone will be able to generate drawings, even if they don't have the money or the talent. That's a good thing.

[@MXCN_El1011]

The biggest issue is just that the creative industry is all in on Adobe. There's just nothing else that can offer such a complete package for everything and have it all work together under 1 subscription plan. Additionally, there's a lot of plugins for design/print/video etc that are only Adobe compatible. Probably doesn't help that schools only teach Adobe either as it's industry standard. It's a catch 22 really.

[@MangaGamified]

Probably mostly in EU and USA with strong anti-piracy laws. Also what most schools taught is the basics and very short too, and suddenly ask like a poster project, which obviously means you have to do your due diligence. If they're really the only ones they could easily price $20k if there's no really other else, given that the entertainment industry is making billions. But cheaper alternatives keeps them in check

[@endre4342]

@@MangaGamified strong anti-piracy laws? my school only uses pirated programs since It was born lol

[@MangaGamified]

@@endre4342 I think my school too and I'm from the PH, never crossed my mind to check it back tho. No one's too guilty pirating adobe autodesk cause they're just a holdings company buying out every feature / competition, and requiring you to pay 4 digits for a suite of programs no one uses. Unless it's engineering, chemistry, biology or law. Art, economics, technology, etc evolves a bit too quickly. I mean most of my know how of art is from free and pirated guides.

[@Caellyan]

@@endre4342Where u at?

[@endre4342]

@@Caellyan everywhere

[@JanbluTheDerg]

My uni taught using Adobe software and the moment I realised this I began looking for the free alternatives. I was already using Krita (art focussed alternative to Photoshop) and DaVinci Resolve (though I've since switched to the faster-for-my-system Kdenlive), but I also got Ocenaudio and Audacity to avoid whatever that audio software is. And Inkscape for vector art.

[@unemployedgringo]

1:35 well that didn’t age well

[@hillsongaming2822]

like milk

[@Anonymous-jo2no]

Pick 2: - Great to customers - Great to employees - Making profits

[@shadowthief6471]

Sums up companies perfectly

[@KyrieFortune]

And most companies will double down on profits and ignoring everything else

[@amberhernandez]

Give it the MTG clause: "(you may pick the same option twice)"

[@lazayvion]

BUT option 1 and Option 3 cannot be chosen together!

[@Anonymous-jo2no]

@@lazayvionHave you ever been to Japan? The service here is always top notch and all, and obviously they are making profits with Japan being ultra capitalist and all... ...the thing is in lots of cases they work their employees to the bone to achieve that. It's fortunately getting better in recent years with labor laws and blogs scaring lots of companies from being labeled as "black companies", but looking at my friends here who have entered the workforce yea they are still worked to the bone... and soon I will join them.

[@FrancisJacquerye]

There are proprietary alternatives from Affinity, who is filling the gap left by Adobe’s price increase. Then there are Open Source alternatives: GIMP or Krita (Photoshop), Scribus (InDesign), Inkscape (Illustrator). I have been using them professionally.

[@mufeedco]

I switched to Linux a long time ago to force myself not to use Adobe products.

[@history-jovian]

There are also many Web type alternative such pixlr or Photopea

[@hugocastilla3102]

GIMP is soooooo underated

[@ano_nym]

darktable (Lightroom)

[@doingtime20]

I tried GIMP some years ago and it's just not the same.

[@AceFaceRecords]

The only thing I dislike about adobe is their products are somewhat complicated and hard to use at first glance. They can indeed make their products much easier to use and also make one time licencing fees available again

[@LogicallyAnswered]

I don’t think they’re gonna back track on the subscriptions haha

[@AceFaceRecords]

@@LogicallyAnswered Neither do I but hey you never know :)

[@sir_arsen]

adobe products target audience are professionals you can't simplify tool that is used for such a long time by a large community of creators. If you will change even one small thing everyone will scream about it, because of muscle memory. They always try to save our time by implementing new features, but if you want something really simple there is canva

[@MaticTheProto]

Also cost

[@AceFaceRecords]

@@sir_arsen Lol. Someone took it reaaally personal haha Chill out son. You do not own the company. Nor are you a spokes person for them. Relax :)

[@JenX-TV]

I think Adobe expected to monopolize the market, but with the subscription model and pricing, they pushed out all the novices, hobbyists and future designers who will turn to open-source software; see Gimp for a free Photoshop substitute or hell, even Paint 3D does basic layering and text just fine.

[@Ilovemelonss]

“They’re not collecting people’s data”, well that didn’t age well.

[@itchylol742]

I think the one thing that could really compete with Adobe is another megacorporation like Microsoft or Google making their own suite of creative tools. Even though right now there's viable competitors to Adobe products, each product is made by separate companies and don't integrate with each other.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Maybe. It should be noted though that while Google Office is great, it’s still not as good as Microsoft Office. So, it’s debatable whether their offerings would be better than Adobe. But more options is always good.

[@BlueSquatchproductions]

@Logically Answered it may not be as nice but it is adequate which is all most of us need.

[@efivip93]

Honestly, that would only give the power to another corp, and they might be even worse, since all corps care about is the green paper. I would rather like if the open source comunity would push these bastards out of business, it would be the greatest day of my life. And since it's open source (assuming the right licence ofc), there is no acqusition, no way for monopolise and rip off the little guys.

[@FrostDirt]

@@BlueSquatchproductions formatting is horrible on Google Office though.

[@yuvrajsingh15823]

Maybe Samsung can try. I don't know.

[@pastaisyummy1110]

I think my biggest gripe with Adobe would be not only the sheer price but the fact they abuse copyright so other software developed can quite literally not compete with them because adobe has the full rights to particular functions in their programs. You don't notice these until you switch from photoshop to any other software that may be cheaper, or even free. One big example would be one of their image stretch tools which you cannot find in other programs because they have the rights to it and an individual copyright over the function.

[@sillybeanthing]

I wish there could be some sort of law to prevent monopolistic actions like using copyright to kill competition...... Wait no adobe is just so rich they're exempt.

[@siliconhawk]

@@sillybeanthing copyright laws are ridiculous, the only thing i have seen them achieve is allow big companies to bully small creators or less powerful companies. i have seem more abuse of copyright laws than i have seen it being used for good.

[@MangaGamified]

I'm not in the art or advertising business but even I instantly think just hire someone from Asia to use a P'ed Photoshop lmao. Or do the project at home in your personal laptop. Also, copyright is useless outside the country where the copyright office was held. What they gonna do if the developer is in Russia?

[@animatewithdermot]

Several years ago I saw an interview with two programmers who were the first to develop a PS style toolbar interface for Digital ink and paint (the basis of all future apps like these). It never occurred to them that they should patent it, so they didn't. Interview asked them if they had any regrets, as they'd both be obscenely rich. They said no, it was better for the world for that interface to be free instead of owned by a single company. Like Disney, a company which was built on the back of public domain properties and which then goes on to freeze the copyright laws in their favour, Adobe does likewise it seems. Not the only tech company of course to do this, they're all more than happy to built on open source / free / volunteer labour, then squat on the gold pile ASAP.

[@tobycat7]

@@ithecastic patent law is still vile and restrictive (imo)

[@HeyManOK]

Affinity suite is a perfect alternative to Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign. You make a one time small payment for the whole suite. I switched a few months ago and I'm pretty happy with it. Affinity doesn't have the AI stuff but you can do almost everything else.

[@That0neJawn]

This and more! Publisher allows seamless switching between all 3 apps, for example

[@ansonchan7323]

Love Affinity. Only problem I have is needing to pay again for v2

[@That0neJawn]

@@ansonchan7323 I get it, it's kind of like the old adobe model. Free Updates, paid upgrades. But at least you get to keep the old versions of you don't want to upgrade.

[@deddrz2549]

Does it have all of the drawing features? Or is it just for image editing

[@ariela_]

Is it beginner friendly as well? I was told by someone if I wanted to get into graphic design etc Adobe cc was a must so I got it. And it’s very hard to navigate

[@CaseyJScalf]

I encountered an over $400 cancellation fee for trying to switch Adobe plans. Absolutely insane. Never have I ever encountered that with any software in almost 20 years as a digital artist. Not using that software ever again. We’ll have to find alternatives now.

[@chrispy2117]

In many ways, the true question is "why does Adobe hate creators so much"

[@daveindezmenez]

They hate creators because of their pesky customer service calls but LOVE their money.

[@FilmmakerJ]

1. The monthly cost 2. The bloated software 3. The random glitches caused by that bloated software that may take months to get fixed, if ever. That last one is specifically why I quit using Photoshop and moved to Affinity Photo. My canvas screwed up and kept creating a ghost effect which made it impossible to use. I even tried moving to an older release and that didn't help. Same kind of issue happens with Wacom. That's why I'm glad XP-Pen and Huion exist now.

[@LocketInThinePocket]

Moving from Wacom to XP-Pen was the best thing I've ever done. I nearly got a super expensive display tablet from Wacom, but ended up just getting the ~$200 XP-Pen display. Works amazingly.

[@grunge-616]

@@LocketInThinePocket Huion is great too. No more wacom.

[@peregrination3643]

The more I researched tablets and how Wacom was as much of a cult leader as Apple and Adobe, and I'm stingey with money, so I excluded it from my final decision. Last Christmas/birthday money went to Affinity and XP Pen. And I've been enjoying learning graphic design SO much more since.

[@davidperrii]

the subscription model broke it for me. I used to teach photoshop and insisted the curriculum be changed to Affinity

[@basdfgwe]

Regarding adobe not being evil, adobe users should review their privacy settings. You are most likely consenting to your work being used to build their AI. Also, the subscription model is not too bad for casual users. I sometimes need to use Adobe products, maybe once every 6 months. I can sign up to the subscription which has a 14 day trial... Then do what I need to within the 14 days and cancel. Once I forgot to cancel and it charged before I realized...oops.

[@bluelotus.society]

Wouldn't even let us cancel! We had to reach out to support. This is a seriously shady company.

[@LocketInThinePocket]

If you're just gonna do trials all the time, why not pirate it?

[@sillybeanthing]

This is why I actually blatantly went against my teacher's wishes and used Clip Studio instead of Photoshop during my drawing class recently. She couldn't tell the difference, it didn't matter. Now that Clip is following the footsteps of adobe with their subs I'm pretty sure they probably are also doing the same. Eughh I'm gonna fill it with inappropriate drawings if that's the case.

[@_S_P_A_C_E_M_A_N_]

Regarding the first point, they don't use your work to train generative AI. They use machine learning to analyse usage patterns which they use in the development of features, such as Adobe Sensei etc. People sort of lost the plot on this one without reading the policy itself.

[@NYCSubwayWorker]

I hope the U.S. gov't sue them out of every penny they have. they are so astoundingly greedy, it's beyond words.

[@linksbro1]

I learned video editing in high school on Sony Vegas 13 I think it was. Then in a 1 year college program they were teaching Premier, and my god was Premier way more obtuse to use. So many things in Vegas you could do just by holding specific hotkeys then clicking and dragging while in Premier there was much more having to enter a specific numeric value to make the same change.

[@D0x1511af]

haha,,,,I'm long time vegas user ....now version 20.1 ....

[@travisdaki]

Yep, Vegas actually lets you edit your footage whereas working with Premiere feels like being a programmer of some sort.

[@So1]

Fellow vegas pro user. been editing for a long time

[@HumanAction76]

Affinity is making a very competitive alternative, Affinity Photo.

[@brianh9358]

I think if Affinity comes out with a good video editor/compositor that works directly with their Photo and Designer they are going to become even more competitive. Not sure they will go that route though.

[@bloqk16]

Affinity FineReader is an easy and robust PDF app, easier to use than Adobe, with templates that makes configuring multipage PDFs easy to prepare . . . and you don't have to pay that subscription fee!

[@evancombs5159]

@@brianh9358 eventually they might, but yeah I don't see it in the cards anytime soon. Video editing software would be a huge investment that I'm guessing they are not big enough to afford. They seem to be taking the slow and steady approach.

[@toolsman4820]

@@brianh9358 Davinci Resolve should be a good competitor to After Effects and Premiere Pro. BMD has experience in video editing and vfx.

[@ThatsJustEric]

@@toolsman4820 yes resolve is a great alternative

[@gabrieljreed]

Autodesk is another very similar company - within the animation industry specifically they make Maya, which is the industry standard animation software. However, they’ve switched to an expensive subscription model and the quality of the software has declined over the years, they’re only still in business because everybody is so used to using them already

[@amandaslough125]

Luckily a lot of professionals in the industry are starting to being okay with using Blender and other alternatives there too.

[@chaon93]

@@amandaslough125 This is in large part due to how far blender has come, 10 years ago blender was honestly awful compared to the competition, 5 years ago the gap was getting smaller, but it still wasn't a real alternative. Blender of today is a reliable workhorse and has a few advantages over maya in some use cases.

[@arpanbiswasx]

Atleast their student version is free

[@foxtail7363]

​@@arpanbiswasx that's how they lock people in I guess

[@awesomeDAN2011]

They also have a monopoly over the Architecture, engineering and construction industry worldwide

[@firalia]

I switched to Affinity Photo recently, and Davinci Resolve a couple years ago, and both have been so much faster with less crashing than Adobe. The only thing I still need Photoshop and Premiere for is compatibility for some of the more complicated files people send me, or gif exports from Premiere. Other than that, I never open them, and I just have pirated versions now that my student license has run out.

[@delusional-ibra]

pirating adobe is a right thing to do

[@iqueque]

Like stealing is the right thing to do, I guess

[@ariela_]

How do you pirate? I want to cancel but I don’t want to lose all my stuff that I created in illustrator/indesign and premiere pro.

[@ThePopo543]

It's been a year. Who's here after Adobe's new TOS announcement? Forget creators, now everyone on the planet hates Adobe!

[@andyquach3896]

photoshop is so expensive I can't believe they thought it was a good idea of charging users $1000+ per year to use it.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha for real

[@nirvaya]

Use PhotoPea instead.

[@jinx5850]

pirat- just kidding dont, unless youre crazy

[@ruler_of_everything]

@@jinx5850 it's me i'm crazy

[@TunaIRL]

Because the people actually using this software for what it's meant for are making thousands per month from using it. That's what it's for. If you're doing shit for free, just use something else.

[@Ducklolly]

The worst thing adobe has done is getting rid of Flash

[@KhooTengKwang]

They haven't really removed it. It's just renamed as Adobe Animate.

[@deddrz2549]

​@@KhooTengKwang i think he means the flash player. Though tbh as soon as i saw the new animate logo wasnt red anymore i was dissappointed

[@Ducklolly]

@@KhooTengKwang I was talking about the Flash Player

[@KhooTengKwang]

@@Ducklolly Ah, got it.

[@nirvaya]

PhotoPea has been my choice for a few years now. I was so used to PhotoShop's dashboard, but just couldn't keep using new versions unless I paid a shit ton of money on new devices. But PhotoPea was a lifesaver. Never using any Adobe software ever again, and I am even going to shift away from Figma, now that Adobe has acquired it.

[@valles6903]

KZbin : Why Creators Hate Adobe Me (who always pirated everything and has literally almost everything pirated on my hard drive) : 🤨🤔

[@jekalambert9412]

"Adobe doesn't collect personal data"??? No, but they claim ownership to all artwork produced using their software and use any works created with their software to train their AI to create works that will render those who use their software redundant.

[@apatsa_basiteni]

I use Krita, Blender, lunacy/inkscape. If I had the money I would purchase the Affinity software "Photo" and "Designer".

[@insederec]

I used a lifetime license to CS5. Suddenly the authentication for that software went offline. Right about when the subscriptions came out. I found... a way to keep using the software I own.

[@duerf5826]

One time I spent nearly an hour trying to figure out how to flatten a pdf file with Acrobat while another program called PDF-Xchange simply has a fat "Flatten PDF" button on the ribbon. 90% of the people at my company flatten PDFs by "print as PDF" and it's sad af.

[@Bytedesigning]

Illustrator and photoshop have a fair amount of competition nowadays, honestly there are tons of alternatives!

[@chrom0xide123]

5:59 no other options for Photoshop or Illustrator? I thought these two are the most exchangeable ones

[@maxtube444]

As someone who uses Adobe Premiere Rush, the only problems I’ve really run into are that it glitches every now and then, but even then most of the glitches that I run into aren’t too bad

[@nubnubbud]

that's because those are rather new. VFX artists with adobe are locked into using After Effects, which is 30 years old, doesn't have multithreading, or use GPU's, and then they're told it's professional software, before adobe removed MP4 output because they wanted people to use an intermediate format and buy premiere to edit it, and now companies are forced to always use this year's version, which because of the age, is increasingly buggy and slow.

[@laurapalmerTDGE]

Use a virtual credit card. Bang! They can't charge you any 💰. Use this with any free trial... .

[@lydrowl]

I completely ditched Adobe as soon as Photoshop was no longer lincensable. I refuse to pay a huge annual or monthly fee for something like this. Both of the art programs I use I paid for once and never have to worry about it again.

[@Lucrativecris]

Get the pirated versions

[@ed61730]

Are you a professional or only doing this as a hobby?

[@Terandium]

Theres a typo in the description It says "had" instead of "hate" In the hate with passion part

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Oops

[@Terandium]

@@LogicallyAnswered the legend hearts and comments❤️

[@derpiedoxie]

Bro I got a Photoshop ad on this video THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER GOTTEN A PHOTOSHOP AD TOO 💀

[@kamekofs_]

If you didn't get an ad for Premiere Pro in front of this video, what's wrong with your KZbin?

[@RAY-THE-WAY]

Apple and adobe go hand and hand with the price gouging.

[@coolinmac]

Give over you’re talking shit

[@editsbymarcin]

I feel like Adobe is much worse than Apple.

[@BlueSquatchproductions]

Which is why I don't use either which sucks because everyone wants you to use it to work with or for anyone else

[@kevintyj]

LMAO u have no idea what your talking about

[@evancombs5159]

@@editsbymarcin they are, but only just barely.

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

The termination fee has been around for many years. It’s definitely not new. I think it’s been 6 or 7 years ago they pulled this with me. I had to cancel my debit card to keep them from continuing to charge me or taking this crazy huge termination fee. It’s great they treat employees so well, and I applaud them for that. But why don’t they treat customers with the same respect?

[@ianbeepower8542]

The way they betrayed the graphic designers they already had been swindling for ages with their monopoly almost 15 years ago with their subscription only model was so disgusting, that designers are still angry to this day. Adobe was always hated and managed to be even more so as time passes. They do not care about their customers and almost proudly boast about it. To be honest they were one of the reasons I changed job and stopped being a designer. Horrible work culture, and Adobe fit right in. Plus the typical US company strategy of buying companies, ruining them, then killing them. Rip Macromedia.

[@PancakeBunnyOfficial]

I literally got a photoshop ad before this video 💀

[@iSlammedMyKindle]

You know, I was listening to this in the background thinking I wasn't really dependent on any specific software despite ethics. Even though much of the software I use is free, including image and video editing software; I realized that there was a controversy over audacity a little while ago. They recently had a license change that people didn't like, but because I still loved that program (used it even in my pre-teen years), it's still been stuck with me to this day. I could make the blanket excuse of "there's no other software that does what audacity does", but the thing I'm noticing is that I'm just not using energy really to go fight that statement, and thus I just sortof live with it still. I still love audacity, I don't use it often, but when I do it gets the job done, so it still lives on my machine despite recent controversies

[@tzabarpho.]

what did they change in the license?

[@hugocastilla3102]

Same. I know there are better audio editing programms... but I'm very much used to Audacity. It's free and gets the job done in my case

[@iSlammedMyKindle]

@@tzabarpho. late reply, but I ate my words to do some digging; turns out it was a really brief change before pedaling back on the decision. On wikipedia they mention it was a proposal for adding in telemetry, but they since took it out of the policy

[@tzabarpho.]

@@iSlammedMyKindle oh ok

[@kimxgamer]

Omg yes I hate the 2 device limit, it's so stupid that there's even a limit when they milk so much from consumers...

[@dee23gaming]

Yet you keep falling for it, smh.

[@kimxgamer]

I don't buy their products, I got it from my school

[@ChangingHorizons]

There is one service I can think of, Amazon Prime. In india, they increased price, and for the price, they decreased the services. Sure, Prime video and Prime music are there, but the basic 2 day delivery option was pulled back, and some deliveries are still chargeable. My financial services and daily life are so tied with Amazon that there is not enough incentive for me to move out of it.

[@donflamingo795]

Wrong, there are MANY kinds of ALTERNATIVES for every Adobe products. There are free versions, paid versions and even subscribtion version (at much lower price than Adobe offerings) People who said that there are no alternatives are either stupid, ignorant, or paid by Adobe.

[@Soundwaiv]

I got a premiere pro ad before the video....💀💀💀

[@lostcarpark]

I ditched Adobe about 5 years ago. The main apps I used were Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign. I've moved from Photoshop to GIMP, and it does most of what I need, but does lack some features. The one thing I really miss is the ability to work with CMYK images, and I haven't found an open source solution that can handle them. I imagine for many people working with print, that would be a deal breaker. For InDesign I've moved to Scribus. Again it's a little less capable, but I do feel InDesign tries to do too much, and I can generally get what I need done, but sometimes I need to produce elements in another app and import. The app I'm happiest with is my replacement for Illustrator, which is Inkscape. It took some getting used to, but now I like it more than I ever liked Illustrator. I find it suits the sort of vector art I do best. This could be because I do a lot more vector work than I used to, and I fully accept that just because it suits my vector work, doesn't mean it will suit everyone.

[@MagdaLenaS2312]

I'm using those 3 the most too and few years back I decided to check out Affinity (while still being in uni). Now I'm using it for all my personal stuff (still using Adobe at work, but it's not mine) and recently even bought the Affinity 2 Universal License that gives me all 3 programs on both desktop and ipad for less than if I'd buy them separately. IMO it's close enough to the Adobe programs to do most of the work. There are still some functions lacking, but they keep progressing (and most surely can't just copy everything from Adobe :P)

[@chaon93]

Photopea isnt open source but handles CYMK Kirta is open source and supports CYMK, but not quite as well as PS. but hey, free and opensource.

[@snek_john_titor]

6:00 Affinity doing very good job developing excellent alternatives for those

[@animan095]

The main programs I use are Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, Audition, and Illustrator almost everything else is bloatware for me. The issue of why I don't feel like I can get rid of Adobe comes down to the next reasons. 1. I do not know which programs could replace all of those (especially after effects) 2. The learning curve of using a new software, some like DaVinci can imitate Premiere controls, but other than that it uses very different interface methods that would need at least months to master. 3. The workflow compatibility cannot be achieved easily with independent programs. Being able to go back to the source file and edit it in its intended program and throw it back into the project you are working on is very easy. And to this date, no other set of programs can do this it seems. You have to render out, import check, make changes and repeat.

[@geneduran4509]

Same as I

[@G-Cole-01]

simple answer: i don't want to keep paying money to make my art program progressively shittier

[@Mukar]

Just want to note that there are actually alternatives for Photoshop, Illustrator, and inDesign (Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, and Affinity Publisher respectively). They're all nearly identical feature-wise, are faster to run, and one time purchases rather than subscriptions.

[@jamiewells22]

This is what happens when a company has a monopoly. Overpriced and lowkey busted apps.

[@dee23gaming]

Yeah, they don't give a crap about the bugs. They are too busy rollin' in cash.

[@ghb323]

Gimp could be a photoship alternative, if you don’t use much advanced features.

[@u4yk]

Even with the latest version of Gimp, the lasso/cut tool aliases way too much unless you feather it heavily, which often looks ridiculous. Photoshop gets that right, which is worth the money they charge.

[@Timmie_Tudor]

I know a Photoshop alternative that works in the web browser, and it's called Photopea. And it even looks very similar to Photoshop

[@srikrishna2561]

@@Timmie_Tudor It doesn't have as much features as Photoshop. Features most users probably won't use.

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@u4yk ok but 1 specific feature is not worth 20 or 54 dollars a month. im sorry that price is ridicolous.

[@25cats]

@@Damian-cilr2 then the best way to go on about it is putting on an eyepatch and integrating “arrrrrr” in your speech

[@FredEdmilson]

Reminds me of autodesk, they don’t allow you to buy lifetime versions of most of the software they make like AutoCAD and REVIT, they charge hefty monthly/yearly subscriptions instead, with the same amount they charge yearly, you could actually buy the lifetime licenses years ago for the same software. Luckily there are some nice CAD alternatives. I completely ditched AutoCAD and payed for a lifetime license for BricsCAD, best decision I could’ve made.

[@troybaxter]

How much does BricsCAD cost, what’s the program size, and how does the user interface compare to AutoCAD? Currently I use the Free Version of Fusion 360, and I used to tinker in Inventor back in college (I could download it for free for a year using my student account). I would like to find an alternative to Fusion 360, cause I know features will slowly get removed over time from it, and Auto Desk will force you to buy their licenses. So far I have stumbled across FreeCAD (which is meh), and OpenSCAD (a very weird CAD software that functions similar to C++).

[@FredEdmilson]

@@troybaxter well, BricsCAD has different modules, so you'll have to buy a license that provides you with the BricsCAD module that satisfy your needs. There's BricsCAD Lite that it's preety much the equivalent to AutoCAD LT and it goes for 590$ for a lifetime license, it will allow you to do 2D drafting; There's BricsCAD Pro that gives you the ability to do 2D drafting and 3D modeling, the lifetime license costs 1,265$; There's BricsCAD BIM (the name is self explanatory if you work with BIM, imo it works very similar to SketchUp) and it's license costs 1,890$; You can also buy a lifetime license for BricsCAD Mechanical with more mechanical design tools (great for mechanical or product engineers) - costs 1,780$; There's BricsCAD Ultimate that is a bundle of all the versions above and the lifetime license costs 2,100$; And finally, my favorite, there's BricsCAD Civil for infrastructure Design (and i kid you not it's the works the same as AutoCAD Civil 3D). The setup's size is around 693 MB; The UI is very similar to AutoCAD and the commands are very similar to AutoCAD's, plus, they have new great features that they teach you on youtube or the software itseld for better workflow, you really will adapt very quickly to BricsCAD if you used AutoCAD a lot like i did, it will feel like you haven't changed softwares at all. I didn't try the apps you mentioned but from what you said it sounds trash, i also used LibreCAD, IronCAD & AlibreCAD and i have to say that they either had compatibility issues with my dwg's or they performed horribly, BricsCAD is actually more optimized and it optimizes your drawings as well so it can run smoothly even in slow machines. From my personal experience, i don't think you'll go wring with Brics, especially coming from Autodesk, it's a shame Autodesk is forcing expensive monthly/anual subscriptions to their users, i remember a time you could actually pay for the software and it was yours for life, I'm not a fan of the cash grab, and i found the ability of buying lifetime licenses way more appealing because people that actually depend on CAD to make a living won't always have projects to work on a consistent basis, so having the convenience to work whenever you want without worrying about paying a subscription everytime, especially when the subscription prices are close to the lifetime licenses is much more appealing to me.

[@BradleySmith1985]

0:45 FLASH was not adobe. it was just bought with Macromedia. but now even Dreamweaver is not used anymore. 1:00 and if you do not like the pricing you are no understanding why they moved to this model. first was to reduce piracy. second was to make it more affordable. yes its now cheaper to use the Adobe apps than it was back on CS and older. i was paying around $3000+ a year. also it was a headek trying to get files shared and keep them relevant. and up to date. . also most reviewers only do bad reviews.

[@Krieskodo]

I Got an Adobe Creative Cloud Ad before the Video even Played 💀💀

[@phumlanimanganhe8115]

It's official now. Am addicted to this channel now. Hats off

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Really appreciate the support man!

[@jeffreyjumisko5165]

Honestly, there is a huge creative software opportunity for a halfway motivated developer out there. The fact that there is Olive Video Editor, Affinity, Krita, GIMP, and Inkscape makes me think the time is ripe for a suite of apps to happen in a low-cost or even open source ecosystem. Some brilliant soul or souls need to integrate GIMP, Krita, and Inkscape into one piece of smooth running software in order to kill Photoshop (which is absolutely love, but cannot afford). Tough job, but it would be a game changer. Blender is such an amazing piece of stable software - it is the proof of concept for this notion of an open source or low cost solution for independent creatives.

[@gravity7208]

Well there is but there is just no demand

[@ed61730]

With the new ai features in photoshop no program will ever brat it now.

[@pbilk]

I am surprised you didn't mention Affinity.

[@originalname6372]

No way I just got a adobe ad while watching this 💀

[@theGourdReloaded]

Same

[@YinyangGio]

Getting an Adobe ad at the start of the video was priceless

[@Powhart]

I already ditched Photoshop for Affinity Photo and I'm sure I'll be able to do what I need on other software than Adobe. It's sad to see a company that has so much emplyement ethics to be so disconnected with their costumers but what can You do?

[@Gromic2k]

I was a huge Illustrator fan for many years. Then i learned Fusion360 and i realized how much cool features the program does not have (that Fusion has). I was absolutely shocked since Illustator is a decade or so older. Those functions like constraints, variables and the mirroring tool would be so useful. But as i understand, the issue is that illustrator does not work with actual formulars. A circle in Illustrator is not actually perfectly round

[@lennartuecker]

I‘m absolutely in love with the Affinity suite. Way better apps for the money!

[@n0raaFTW]

Great video But I'd recommend cutting down the music after the intro

[@CLOCKROOK]

I got an adobe ad right when i clicked this video

[@Skylla54]

Adobe does nice stuff, but I stick to my tribe culture. I use primarly open source as a Developer. Its a thing, no clue why 😄

[@sherlan1886]

As a freelancer, I don’t think it’s over priced at least not for my use case. I use PS, AI, ID, XD, LR and occasionally AE. I also use Adobe’s fonts and Portfolio. I am one of the few users who don’t hate them but don’t exactly love them either. The bugs and lack of new code in their software is what really gets to me with their apps. Their customer service isn’t the best but I’ve had a lot of good experiences with them with a few lacklustre ones as well. Great video btw. I agree with many of the points you made here even if it doesn’t exactly apply to me in all cases. Adobe should definitely be doing a lot better for the amount they are charging customers.

[@grafxnrg]

True, but having money flowing in for doing absolutely nothing, also gives way to non-innovation. Before their subscription model, Adobe used to have it's programmers find ways to make the applications better, either by fixing bugs, adding features or moving things around to save time. Bottom line is that now, there is no effort on doing anything new or innovative, just milk everyone for using their software. This is what has given way to CorelDraw reason to enter the Mac market all over again, to win back some customers, problem is that CorelDraw also uses the Subscription method. The best alternative is Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer and Affinity Publisher. For most tasks Affinity can handle it all, they are currently in the process to "even" the gap and catch-up to Adobe products. When using Affinity software, keep in mind that there is a small learning curb switching from Adobe, but nothing to heavy that can stop you. Once Adobe feels the heat, I'm sure they will return to innovating once again.

[@thatrawk]

@@julm7744Say, for example, Adobe’s auto captioning in Premiere, there’s simply no competition

[@vedxgaming8216]

@Marco Casarrubias honestly, I am not a Designer but as a Business owner, I think Adobe is innovative pretty well. There recent features like 2d to 3d in illustrator, Video removal in after effects, png to svg etc. These features were first in the market. Others copied it later.

[@dee23gaming]

I use Inkscape, and while it doesn't support .AI officially, I can just rename my exported pdf to .AI, and then any client with Adobe Illustrator can open that file! And I get to keep my free and open source program and not waste money like you are 😁

[@sillybeanthing]

As a future 3d modeling freelancer... Using Maya will suck a lot of money I'll be making out of me. It's about $1200 a year. It's far less than the amount of stuff you use from the creative cloud, but it is far FAR more expensive. The main problem is, it's a way more extreme case of the same problem. The code is horrible, the customer service is horrible, it crashes constantly on systems that were built for it, etc. And yet, I learned it in college and having a hard time moving over to Blender. I hope to work for an indie company where they don't care about the fact that I want to save money by using Blender because I'm not a company owner who has money to throw around. I hope I never have to subscribe to Maya unless the company is paying for it for me, because unlike PS, Maya is expensive, along with Substance Painter which is $700 a year and DOES NOT have competition. If I'm paying almost $2k a year in just subscriptions fees because the buggy ass programs are the industry standard and have such a hold on companies that they can just get away with it, it's not great. Not that it's affecting you yourself, but as an individual who will be in an industry where the $1200/yr software is "so much better" in the eyes of companies it really doesn't feel good. Also note, hobbyists usually have to open a side gig to justify using these softwares, especially Maya. They have to open and run a whole ass business to justify the payment for Maya.

[@OctagonalSquare]

This is why I’m totally fine with people pirating Adobe products. Especially Photoshop and Acrobat. Acrobat being the only way to use one of the most important file formats it’s the definition of a monopoly