Why do drummers hate drum triggers?

[@LilPrezzy36]

Easily one of the best examples why they can be so damn important

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

True 💯

[@ChristBurner]

I mean ok but... what about a well tuned drum and a competent audio engineer? Even with triggers, if your FoH person doesn't know what they're doing.... it's gonna sound like butt anyway. I guess it gets you close right outta the gate. Kinda like using a fractal or something like that on guitars. Plus you gotta be able to play regardless. Either way, that swivel is fucking sweet 🤘

[@user-um6jj7rp7q]

If you're confused what that is is basically a device let's put on the drum to make it electronic sounding to change the sound now it is like a hybrid kit

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

👍🏼

[@gavinm892]

Much like an electric guitar or bass is

[@acevedodamian]

@@gavinm892 no at all, more like a midi guitar

[@pdq_mx]

It's because triggers enhance your mistakes.

[@TheCaptain001]

I have no issues with triggers. Other drums get triggered so what’s wrong with triggering your bass drum? Where the issue comes in is when people use heel toe or other techniques that let them play at insane speed, but at the sacrifice of EACH beater hit being the same strength. THEN they use triggers to cover up that mistake. Everyone knows this is why some guys hate triggers, I think this argument needs to be dropped and we all need to focus on getting along and being a united all embracing (newbies like me through to advanced guys) community.

[@KingdomScorned]

The drummers that hate triggers are people who have never tried them and don’t realize it amplifies how good or bad a drummer is with their foot technique lol

[@hellion605]

i’ve tried triggers, and i didn’t like them. so..?

[@michaelkuehl5067]

​@@hellion605what didn't you like? Did the strokes sound inconsistent?

[@tjgadner8896]

Wrong, triggers lead to bad technique because on a normal drum there would be no power

[@KingdomScorned]

@@tjgadner8896 after you get to certain speeds, it's physically impossible to have much power and triggers are necessary to articulate what's being played

[@cheenmachine420]

Triggers change the way you sound. Not the way you play. Just like a guitar pedal changes the way a guitar sounds a drum trigger changes how a drum sounds.

[@picardftw1313]

guess i gotta google what drum triggers are now.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Dont do it 🤫

[@stevierubalcava5924]

​@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums LoL 😂 click bait 😂

[@stevierubalcava5924]

It's a Transducer. It changes clothes to the opposite sex in-between your Live-Set

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

@@stevierubalcava5924 🎣

[@7356205]

I used ChatGPT it just make a drum hit into a synthetic electronic drum sound (which is basically what is done when bands produce an album anyway) Seems drummers like to gripe about them but I think to most people that aren’t drum nerds wouldn’t even know the difference

[@calebmunkirs9661]

I think triggers are pretty practical and cool but the drawbacks are that they sound bad at extreme speeds and they take away the dynamics and nuance a player can put into the kick drum (but you could probably edit some of that human-ness back in)

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

True very true 👍🏼

[@ziggidy_bop7471]

Yeah it's this. It kind of limits what you can do with the drum and 9/10 you're better off just playing it yourself to accomplish those dynamic things because it's less complicated. I get why a lot of live sound guys have become fans of triggers tho. They use them to set the gates on the mics, and it's the best way to do it since mic bleed can make it difficult to do the traditional way.

[@jyuhas513]

Ha! I got them socks!!

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

@@jyuhas513 💪🏻

[@acmesalute76]

At extreme speeds triggers are the only way to not sound like a pile of mud

[@absentminded55]

I think that age is past bro. Triggering in metal is standard practice

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

I’m stuck in the past 😢

[@absentminded55]

Being able to play without triggers is great. But if you go record in a studio its the recommended practice for the best sound. If you are a solid drummer you can mix the natural drum sound with the samples. George Kollias triggers the kick but I believe he doesn't sample anything else.

[@devmanify]

Mic the bass drum ?

[@skottlee8959]

Of course by "best sound" we mean genric sterile garbage

[@Skarmillion]

Because alot of people dont know what triggers actually do. They think that triggers plays the drum for you, while its pretty much the opposite...

[@innergenichiro]

Thats not the reason, because you can hit the bass drum hard without them but they are a tool for people who can play fast but not hit hard to still sound good playing fast.

[@combatkit]

Are there a good setup for bass drum triggers with a Roland Drum trigger module? I think you get it more clean but the only thing I notice is that you are limited to the module sounds. And what about playing live, then you hear both right? I get more n more interested in this topic :-D more than rudiments ^^

[@utradar80]

Most triggers if not ALL triggers eliminate dynamics (force needed to produce a consistant tone, power) and can max out the curve with little to no effort needed in each individual stroke. You still need skill to play, triggers do NOT eliminate the need for skill, but does absolutely remove the need for full power or force behind strikes, making it much easier for achievements in speed and stamina.

[@shotgunchris]

Came for the double kick. Stayed for the snare.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

That’s what they all say Chris 😳

[@dodenmanniskan8846]

Well... bassdrums are supposed to be low end rumbling, not high pitched clicking... at least to me.

[@nickthorne5872]

As a hobbyist metal producer myself, I kind of thought the same thing at first, spending all my effort trying to get the sub bass hit of the kick drum dialed in stronger but neglecting the click/attack. It's actually quite important to have have a good amount of high frenquencies from the kick coming through the mid range speakers to accentuate the electric guitars and other elements to achieve that full bodied modern metal tone. Once I started dialing in more kick attack, my mixes started sounds much more clear and full with the tone I was looking for. It is suprising how much better even the guitars sounds with good kick attack to compliment them. It was an effect I wasn't expecting. The kick still has lots of low end thump, but now much more high frequencies when listening to the kick in solo that I wouldn't thought to add.

[@crippletron6879]

I think people hating on triggers comes down to people being purists and people who like power playing. The faster you go, the less power you produce. Some think it’s cheating to go both fast, and sound powerful. Some of my favorite drummers are known for power, so I can see why some think triggers are cheating…in that sense. I personally like the fluctuations in power/tone a drummer produces. Sometimes triggers can make it sound too…drum machine-y to me. That being said, if the music itself is good, I don’t care

[@enterthehacks]

Bc ppl love to argue over things they don't fully understand and especially over things they fear. Triggers have been around a long time. It just allows you to replace the kick drum sound with a new sound that plays instead of the actual kick drum when you hit it. That's it. The advantage is that, with a trigger, you can tweak the velocity curve so that you get more power than you could have playing the kick naturally. Again, if you are actually still hitting the kick drum naturally for every trigger hit, there is no problem with this. You * COULD • technically cheat a little with triggers if you.. say.... made a sample of two fast consecutive hits, so you'd only have play every other hit. ..but you'd still have to play in time, so... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ Also a camera recording your feet would make it clear to everyone whether you were playing every hit or every other hit anyway, soooo..... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ ALSO if you're playing in perfect time and it sounds good, who cares? It still takes talent and effort. It's just all the more impressive when someone can actually do it better/faster. But the bar for professional-level playing is still lower than most drummers would care to admit.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Tldr

[@enterthehacks]

@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums k

[@myotheraccount17]

You’re sick both on the kicks and in these comments. 😂 Who have you watched play drums the most? I’m always trying to gather more drummers to watch and learn from. My mom says hi.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Yeah look up animal from sesame, he taught me everything I know.

[@myotheraccount17]

@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums 🗿

[@Meteotrance]

Did people where offended by Alex Van Halen or Bill Bruford using Simmons electronic drum pad on an acoustic electronic hybrid configuration ? Of course not , even ZZtop Franck Beard or Rammstein drummer use that stuff on there regular acoustic kit to sound bigger than life and simplified the job of the P.A mixing guy , you know sometimes get the mic sounding right on a huge area can be problematic and need a lot of processing device to sound similar, that kick sound for example need a plastic or wooden beater and a lot of noise gate and compressor to get it right !

[@user-vm9hy7qx7c]

I get a better result with kick mics actually the cheap sm57 knock of weymic sounded good too.

[@optimus]

Drummers don't hate triggers other members of the band and non musicians do

[@bforts-wm5rg]

Why would other band members not like it?

[@ekap9440]

As a drummer of 35 years...yeah, I hate drum triggers.

[@whoathatcombo]

@@ekap9440why?

[@snared_]

@@whoathatcombo obviously it removes all the nuance of playing the kick. Leaving the beater on the head. Pulling it back for the more open tone. Flutter tone, or flutter into hard hit with heel-toe. Obviously any good drummer wouldn't play with a trigger because it kills more of your range expression.

[@snared_]

(This is bait just fyi, now I'll wait for the angry replies like baaaah here's a good drummer using a trigger he's way better than you. yes. now go cry about it)

[@tjgadner8896]

Triggers are cheating because you can get a loud sound from barely hitting the drum, totally changes the technique and then you rely on it.

[@scotto132]

Triggers are fine. It's when you use them to cover up your bad habits that it becomes a problem

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

😅😳

[@davidramirezrodriguez3373]

Triggers don't cover up shit as far aw I know, editing does

[@scotto132]

@@davidramirezrodriguez3373 they make your hits consistent. So if you have inconsistent hits, they will still sound the same. It does cover up poor habits.

[@snared_]

@@scotto132 thats quantized trigger, not trigger. trigger just takes the hit and places a sample there. Quantized trigger takes a hit and places a sample in the closest grid spot where a hit could go.

[@tbone6924]

Dumb comment...triggers actually make bad drummers sound worse...I am not sure you know what a trigger is.

[@ThePinkMachete]

i think they sound sick especially when the kick drum has one it just sounds better for live shows😂

[@woodchopper7962]

They're necessary for certain music styles or certain applications. But I much prefer an acoustic bass drum sound. That triggered sound he's using sounds like a practice pad.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Practice makes perfect ✨

[@acmesalute76]

A better sample would fix that

[@devmanify]

Imagine having an awesome sounding bass drums and replacing it with a midi sample 😅

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Im imagining it….. its great 😍

[@willelliot8928]

A midi sample would tell you duration, velocity and pitch. You’d be replacing the sound with an audio sample, midi is not audio

[@ChuckieDrumz]

I just wanna learn that pressure swivel technique. I have a DW 5000 pedal with the tension CRANKED and it’s still not enough for my heavy foor

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

I was never really able to get good swivel or heeltoe on chain driven pedals. I could do it but it’s definitely harder. Check out some direct drives 👀

[@mysacrament210]

Drummers don't hate triggers, haters hate bc they're weak af.

[@marzo.onlyslams]

What kick head is that ?

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Db one

[@marzo.onlyslams]

@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums can you run a Roland trigger on it?

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

@@marzo.onlyslams idk it’s works with triggers for me

[@marzo.onlyslams]

@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums what trigger are you running

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

@@marzo.onlyslams cheap ddrum one idk which one

[@SabianDrummerAAX]

Them pizza socks are the real MVP. Where did you cop those?

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

The Amazon forest

[@smithwoodward]

To monitor with they are great. Never had them out front though

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Very interesting lol

[@hellion605]

@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums it’s typical technique, used by bands like Kiss or White Zombie (at least J. Tempesta was using that combination)

[@Bennett8187]

I use triggers and a mesh head too but don’t act like it’s not 1000% easier. 220bpm on a mesh head all day but the second I touch a regular head I get gassed the fuck out.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

That literally makes no sense.

[@Vida24322]

real

[@Bennett8187]

@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums the rebound on a mesh head is like a trampoline but the rebound on a Mylar head is like hitting a wall.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

@@Bennett8187 what wall you been hitting?😳

[@dartawnasailo4449]

I can't do a swivel technique😢😢😢

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Practice! 👍

[@MrBurlybiker]

Sloppy drummers don’t like triggers because they get exposed for their sloppiness!!! 😂

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

😳

[@MrRaErickson]

Vinnie Paul used em. Nuff said

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Who’s nuff?

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Who’s vinnie?

[@GodLovesEveryPerson]

Serious question. Why do you pivot your foot back and forth like that?

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Honestly I don’t know 🤷🏼

[@GodLovesEveryPerson]

​@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums Oh. I thought it was for the double bass or something lol sorry.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

@@GodLovesEveryPerson it is for double bass but I don’t really know why it happens my feet just do it 🤷🏼

[@ZacharysGamingExpOG]

I think hearing the real drum set is a good thing though instead of just using triggers for samples. Cuz I think a band has to have its own sound by the drum kit. That's why I kind of hate music right now because they're everyone's using the same drum samples

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

This is true 💪🏻

[@ZacharysGamingExpOG]

@@CaptainGoodlegsDrums I appreciate it man. I just wish people could work harder.

[@soggybread5406]

all the trigger haters are usually just oldheads or people bad at drumming

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

This is true

[@AlissonSilva-ox4uz]

Cause most triggers sound like ass, plus lazy people not wanting to properly tune their bass drum, a properly tuned kit will always Sound better, that's just how it is

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

I stay tuned up 💨

[@yattmanntatt3360]

Ken Bedene approved

[@spaggio]

I have the same socks

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@certifiedspeed5361]

Bruh what is that technique. I suck at double bass. I need to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Swivel technique

[@pjdrummer1984]

Because it sounds like a fake machine gun. Dynamics are part of what makes drumming a skill

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Drummers have skill?😳

[@dbzmaggotgematria]

Because people don't understand what they are, they think it's drumagog or something, it just makes your kit sound better, not your playing lol. If you suck, triggers could make you sound worse😅😅

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

😅

[@ekap9440]

Because they suck and sound fake. I dont know what kind of mic you are using but damn BOTH examples sound equally horrible.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Thanks 🥰

[@jean-marcmathers3215]

Because it allows people to play without shoes.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

This is it. You just cracked the code 😮

[@nickwatson5622]

only idiots hate triggers.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Nick Nick Nick…..

[@PSYCHOBABAYAGA]

Real drummers don't need triggers💯 If you want to cheat just cheat you don't need nobody's permission my guy💯🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

lol 😂

[@redfin382]

Yeah because he definitely can't play as fast he can with triggers or anything. Dude is literally playing the same speed and showing how much better triggers sound. You need a reason to dismiss their skill so you don't feel bad about your own lack of skill.

[@PSYCHOBABAYAGA]

@@redfin382 doesn't matter how fast you can play. Matters if you sound good. If you need triggers to sound good then good for you. Just feel you should push to sound good without all the bullshit. It's like a singer using auto tune. Are you really a singer?

[@brianaiken1196]

@@PSYCHOBABAYAGAnot the same. Its more akin to guitar players using endless effects to get their sounds.

[@goldfishpartyy]

​@@PSYCHOBABAYAGA obviously you can't be a real musician if your instrument doesn't produce the sound Midi keyboard players are in shambles over this

[@adolfotapias9397]

The real problem is when they increase the speed beyond 220 bpm! Without triggers the drummer should train and practice a lot to be able to have a coherent and forceful sound as well as clear! There are many drummers who have been practicing for 10 or 20 years to do that! but ! With the arrival of triggers, today's drummers don't hit the bass drum hard and just hit it super soft and let the trigger do the rest! Whether current drummers will worry about maintaining forcefulness and speed with or without triggers is another story.

[@goodcitizen8837]

The triggers make the sound better and you don’t have to play like a caveman

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

👹

[@ThePizzablogger]

The second sound is terrible, has no resonance, variance or depth.

[@user-kn8ly2mg3i]

whats the matter bro?

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

I don’t know 😳

[@redfin382]

Bc they probably struggle and if they can call out a reason why the person more skilled than them is 'cheating' then it makes them feel better. I am only 10 months in to drumming so I am nowhere near skilled yet. Hopefully I will become as good as this.

[@BlueCollar1212]

Demanufacture

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Good ole fear factory 🏭

[@Dpol85]

Zero signal - get over here

[@devmanify]

Couldnt you mic the bass drum and get gud.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Nope

[@chrishawley5499]

Obsolete

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

🤷🏼

[@HaddyCeesay-dm5dd]

Whats the Name of this double base drum machine?

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Captaingoodlegs

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

💅💅💅

[@smokingnuns]

Because they turn your 5000$ drum kit into Stock sample sounds.

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

This is the way 💪🏻

[@ricaurandt6713]

Cuz they're usually being pulled by angry husbands. Class DISMISSED!!

[@CaptainGoodlegsDrums]

Wut 😳