Why do Halo Fans hate the new Halo infinite weapon?

[@Kalina47]

Your theory is actually correct, after the Avenger released, people found files for it on Cylix or whatever that still had it listed as a weapon model for the Assault Rifle.

[@occasionalsnipa9262]

I really just wish their thought process was "Oh we need an SMG, time to add the classic SMG back to halo"

[@Kaimerah]

@@occasionalsnipa9262 i mean tbf like he said its probably cheaper to just reuse the animations and potential models already in the game especially considering Halo studios seems to have shifted most of their attention to a new halo game.

[@TEG_Barryz]

I don’t mind having slightly modified weapon models that become new weapons, my problem is that we’ve only gotten more basic human weapons instead of any new banished or forerunner weapons.

[@Matthew-hp2dw]

Barryz sighting

[@LateNightHalo]

The new Brute Sniper model could easily be a new weapon if they wanted

[@Spendingryan]

@@LateNightHalo or the Stanchion sniper, which does not fire a bullet, and is a railgun, just reuse the halo 5 railgun effects!

[@Vermilllion178]

exactlyyyy

[@Bronasaxon]

Or even the return of older brute weapons. Where is my brute plasma and brute shot 343/whatever name they’re going by now?!

[@craigthebrute6032]

The fact that we are even talking about Halo "saving on resources" to make a single new gun is really disheartening. The suits-and-ties aren't giving this franchise the juice it deserves anymore.

[@Turututu-T]

Probably, Microsoft has already realized they've profited enough from the franchise, and it's starting to wear out commercially. Halo 4 sold 300 million copies, and Halo 5 sold 400 million copies. So far, Halo Wars 2 and Halo Infinite seem to be the only commercial failures. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Halo game or remake fails, the shareholders might decide to just throw the franchise in the trash. Halo is no longer the "face" of Xbox; now it's Xbox Game Pass.

[@docb1as]

@@Turututu-T 300 and 400 million copies?

[@CreepercastSimn]

@@Turututu-THalo 5 selling 400 million copies would make it the highest selling video game of all time. Your numbers are on crack my guy.

[@Turututu-T]

@@CreepercastSimn Halo 5, along with hardware (Xbox One), generated $400 million for the Xbox division. I got the numbers for Halo 4 wrong; it actually generated $220 million.

[@MEGAbrandon281]

Not to mention when Halo is in the state that it is in while MCFT goes buys Activision

[@EbagStudios]

My whole gripe isn’t with the weapon itself but the fact that this is what we got. There are so many weapons that could be added that are incredibly unique and add so much to the sandbox yet all we got was an ar reskin that fires faster and has a shorter range.

[@LateNightHalo]

2:50

[@theangryimp1345]

​@@LateNightHalo bad excuse. Halo is flipping halo. Money isn't our problem it's the millionaires problem and the dream job devs problem... Boo hoo I make a bad game because its cheaper.

[@haijakk5264]

You realize the vast majority of the studio isn't working on Infinite right? They're in Unreal Engine?​@@theangryimp1345

[@c-1506]

​@@theangryimp1345 that's not the case they are going cheap to divert more resources to the next Halo game, but here you are complaining about a live service, which is hard to do

[@Marinealver]

exactly, any weapon from the past halo games could be added in. Instead we get what essentially is an AR variant.

[@Elkantar_Rostorgh231]

I'm actually surprised that it took this long to add the MA5K from Ghosts of Onyx into the games.

[@Glacial_floofs]

yeah. at least we have it now

[@CrackFoxtrot24]

Kinda hard to justify it back when there already was the AR, SMG, and SAW

[@JNun-pr8rh]

Feel like its the 2nd most popular 'fun-fact' topic the halo community has besides lying about Chiefs suit jacking him off.

[@bigdaddynero]

Never before has a game been as bare bones as Infinite as to require it...

[@gravemind883]

​@@bigdaddynero*destiny nervously sweating*

[@SPac316]

I just want the classic Shotgun to return, if it hasn't already.

[@trentrobertson5308]

Yeah, I definitely agree with you the classic shot gun from Halo Combat Evolved needs to return it was the most powerful all the other versions suck

[@MarsiB013]

H5's version is in the games files. Textured, animated, functional...

[@iKiwed]

If they really have 0 budget (weird), maybe a classic shotgun couldn't happen... but they could make a sort of 'classic shotgun' in terms of feeling. They could use the Hydra as base since it has that reload animation, or the heatwave that works more or less the same. Make it a 'classic shotgun' if it was forerunner, maybe.

[@SargeJ117]

Same, I miss the M90

[@Danlight1911]

At this point I think you gotta wait for Halo 7

[@clpfox470]

Weve gotten what? 2 new weapons in total

[@clpfox470]

And they cant be used in the campaign

[@Padlock_Steve]

were lucky we got that

[@AsakniGames]

​@@Padlock_Steve thats a really sad sentence lol

[@Major_Zephyr]

@@AsakniGames Not necessarily, given that Halo 5 is the only other Halo game to add weapons post-launch. Sure, we ideally should have gotten one new weapon per season in Infinite, but it did launch with more weapons in the sandbox than games like Reach had after all, and that's not even including the Infinite weapon variants. We're lucky to get anything at this point, and honestly I'll take whatever we can get, considering most people thought they wouldn't add anything at all to the game anymore.

[@AsakniGames]

@@Major_Zephyr thats still very sad. The fact that you just have to be happy with whatever they give you is terrible

[@hmon661]

I like the new weapon but I understand people are tired of Halo being so "limp dick" in that it feels like a AA shooter on its last legs. I think its way too late to ask for patience or understanding for 343/Halo Studios and MS. There are good, competent people working on Halo who are putting out good updates, but unfortunately people are just tired of waiting for a game that should have had all these things at the start. Couple this with the overall negative sentiment around billion-dollar Xbox studios pumping out mid games repeatedly, people just don't wanna give props to small updates like the Avenger, especially when connected to something as bittersweet as Infinite.

[@bander960]

Yeah on god this is kinda true to a certain degree, it's difficult to get patience for a AAA company putting out updates like this for a game that already took so long to get in a semi-okay state

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

They are backed by microsoft but can't even get more than 2 new weapons into the game after 3 years. Clearly microsoft isn't funding them or their other IPs because lets be honest microsoft has done nothing of value with its IPs within the last decade. You can do so much with halo. I have with my mods. Its not hard!

[@gravemind883]

Hit the nail on the head. Yet somehow, we still have people trying to defend these companies still.

[@morimoriman4731]

The MA5K is canonically a carbine variant of the MA5 assault rifle family which the MA40 from infinite is derived from. Of course it's nearly identical because its just a shorter version of the MA5. This itches the military sci-fi part of my brain because it canonically fleshes out the UNSC armoury with a sensible real world military choice. Whether it was added out of ease of modelling, etc, is a completely different story, but it's been literally been around since contact harvest, and it's cool to see in game!

[@Major_Zephyr]

Exactly, people calling it a copy of the AR don't seem to understand that is kinda the whole point. It's the same weapon platform, with alterations to fill a different role. That's cool and realistic! It's like calling an M4 a copy of the M16; they're meant to be similar, that's the whole point!

[@iponce2]

These two comments make me happy

[@Lyrellll]

The Halo ODST pistol model is also very similar to the Magnum, but they are different weapons

[@gravemind883]

​@@Major_ZephyrNo, no. It's not that "we don't understand" it's that this isn't good enough. Straight up. We've been asking a long time now for certain weapons to make a comeback, and what we get instead of any fan favorites, is essentially, another Assault rifle. Should be no surprise people aren't exactly hyped about it the MA5K. I think it's cool it exists in-game now, I do, but goddammit man, there are so many old weapons we've wanted to see. Not another Assault rifle :/

[@JuiceboxCE]

...I can't get over the idea of Microsoft, with all their money, absolutely refusing to fund anything they directly own. This is insane.

[@blckbeauty4406]

To be fair last time Ms invested hundreds of millions on Halo Infinite and 'Slip Space' engine just for both of them to be massive failures. I can see why they seem reluctant on spending more for something that it's not going to generate them reasonable money.

[@Eastra3]

@@blckbeauty4406 the game didn’t “fail” before Microsoft cut a lot of funding. 343 didn’t fail Microsoft. The modern gaming industry is full of investors that see games and their player bases as a stock market. They know that most games have their peak numbers for the first couple of months, and then they come down as players jump to other new games, which compared to the old times, there are way more games being made to compete with one another. So like a stock, they invest early, the sentiment and stock rise with the hype, then at the peak, they sell high or pull out their money before it can start going down. I think Microsoft has too many games to fund now to give as much as they used to be able to give to their exclusives, especially seeing that exclusive gaming is dead, as the most successful games right now are almost all cross platform, so prioritizing their exclusives doesn’t make financial sense anymore, because the Xbox console numbers are lower than either PS or Nintendo by significant margins. So I think Infinite was relying a lot on investors, and those guys will help you launch a game, but not guaranteed to help you sustain a game, because now they are losing profit margins the longer they stay invested, seeing that games will not continue to grow in player count as time goes on. Gaming is an awesome volatile investment, as those can make you quick money. It’s just not good for the gamer. People want to blame 343, but a lot of gaming studios go through the same thing. Look at what Overwatch 2 did. They promised the same thing and cut their campaign all together. Sadly it’s the way the industry is now. Don’t expect much different. Expect to be over-promised and undersold. That’s why I am not even interested in the upcoming Halo games, because I rather enjoy Halo Infinite, which has come a long way in what it has to offer, than to start a brand new skeleton game that will take years to provide what they promised.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

@@blckbeauty4406 They pay millions for engine development, but won't just hire actual employees instead of contract workers. A good team pays for itself.

[@realmarkinator]

​@@blckbeauty4406The Slipspace engine is as shit as it is because MS used rotating contract employees rather than having one permanent development team, leading to development slowing down due to the new hires not being familiar with the code.

[@draccondracul2082]

​​@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 yup, but the higher-ups don't care. Long term employees need raises and have more freedom and control, with enough time they might even start a union 🤭 Very scary concepts to the pigs filling their pockets while doing barely anything...

[@kupaxykalee4454]

We had an smg. We liked it. But we didn’t need an assault rifle that acts a little differently

[@LateNightHalo]

2:50

[@gravemind883]

​@@LateNightHalorefer to my comment again, since it seems your just gonna copy paste that excuse everywhere.

[@MintBlitz]

The problem we have is that we want unique memorable weapons, not loadout guns. Still a cool addition nonetheless.

[@LateNightHalo]

I see the Bandit and Avenger as solving an issue with Infinite’s sandbox. The AR is too op to be a good social starter weapon The BR is too easy to use to be a good competitive weapon :( Hopefully now we can start seeing more unique stuff

[@JNun-pr8rh]

I feel like besides the overall cooler designs UNSC weapons have, its the covvie or non-human weapons where the devs throw all their memorable gimmicky schtick.

[@damiantorres5569]

@@LateNightHaloagreed the bandit was the best gun they could of added

[@altairgame]

2:25 no one in halo studios can animated or model, more precisely no one has that role because phil spencer needs more money to buy studios. They have to make a batch of "assets to make" and send it to freelancers or asset factories that have little to no direct communication with halo studios. And why would they? They dont get the same pay or benefits

[@RSG200]

Damn

[@ChiefCrewin]

The ignorance in these comments is astounding. Money has little to do with it, they spent hundreds of millions of dollars and 6 years to produce infinite. As someone else mentioned, look what Bungie did between 2001 and 2007.

[@Volker_A4]

343 was clearly pissing that money away.

[@altairgame]

​@@ChiefCrewin It was mismanagement and incompetence on all sides for more than a decade. Microsoft seems to lost all faith and is now nickel and dimming everything related to halo and focusing more on things that seem to actually make them money. And yes this new halo studios crew still has to prove themselves under this circumstances

[@Klaw117]

4:19 That model is for the H2 M6C Magnum though, not the CE M6D Magnum. The Sidekick already feels like an M6C except that it actually kills stuff instead of being the pellet gun it was in H2, so a skin is all it really needs to bring back the M6C. Now, if we want a CE M6D Magnum, then yeah, that needs to be a separate gun.

[@Spendingryan]

@@Klaw117 yeah, plus that model (H2) lacks the scope module hump thing that covers over the iron sights on the halo 1 pistol.

[@sammiwammi8539]

Sad thing is, there is SO MANY weapon models that could be made into stand-alone weapons or hell...additional variants. You got the Vicious Sidekick / Redsteel Tooth / Vicious SPNKR / Vicious Bulldog with a menancing blade and bulky muzzle, easily could of made it into a weapon variant. The commando has the CMA VK78, which is based on Reach's scrapped LMG. Add a box mag + an alternative reload and you're set. Then you have the BIGGEST offender, the M99A2S3 Stanchion! an railgun sniper! this could of easily been an additional weapon but was just added as a mere skin.

[@bander960]

Yeah the Stanchion for real man... That would've been a FANTASTIC addition that really would've caught some eyes and maybe even made some fun custom games too

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

The CE AR could of easily been a new weapon too. The MA5K could of been a weapon skin at one point.

[@MonkeysxMoo]

I do quite enjoy the idea of weapon model cosmetics, but I much preferred when they were small additions or changes to the weapon like the Eagle AR or the Tacticlamp for the sidekick or when the model was still very much the same weapon just given a slightly different silhouette. We've been straying too far into weapon variant or outright new weapon territory for awhile and it's a shame that the Avenger is the only model that's been able to be upgraded to a full fledged new addition to the sandbox. On top of the ones you mentioned, models like the Redsteel Tooth BR, Acquisitive Reach Commando, Smash and Grab SPNKR, and upcoming Whispered Fear Sniper could have been made into *variants* for those weapons, rather than simple cosmetics. Halo 5 gave almost every weapon in the sandbox two weapon variants, sometimes three. Infinite only has one variant for everything besides the sword and hammer. We could've seen some really neat additions to the sandbox with these models. Like the Redsteel could've shot spiker rounds and the Acquisitive Reach could've shot plasma to further hit home that these are hybrid alien-human weapons.

[@Derpsterchief]

While the Stanchion would be cool,I'd much rather have an LMG added then yet another precision weapon

[@thegaminengine1141]

Especially the vicious weapon models because we see the banished using UNSC weapons in firefight so it would make sense to make those weapons models into weapon variants so it would look like the banished had actually modified the weapons to be more powerful and would’ve brought more popularity to other weapons

[@jimmydasani8922]

STILL waiting for 343 to add the classic shotgun to the game. MAKE IT HAPPEN PLS

[@perfectxzero4037]

They'd mess it up and make it OP

[@trevordavis6830]

Sorry, that would cost too much money - Microsoft probably

[@harmoen]

As a forger, I would accept any additions, even if they aren't good. I'd appreciate a new weapon if the only thing different was the color.

[@bonk4316]

Green and Yellow energy swords lmaooo

[@thegaminengine1141]

Imagine if they added a human version of an energy sword or some sort of knife with a plasma edge. Emile’s plasma enhanced Kukri

[@Spendingryan]

@@bonk4316 if only there was a built in menu system to easily change the colour or shader of a covenant bladed weapon or something, right? Oh wait nope it's a covenant weapon, gotta wait for them to have a human sword, that's the only way your getting a covenant themed cosmetic or colour.

[@jpcarsmedia]

Because we deserve an SMG, maybe even.. 2 SMGs. 🤔

[@thetacticalguy62]

Mjlonir mix plays wildly in the background

[@davnez05]

brute plasma rifle with blue skin or the already made brute spiker

[@Bronasaxon]

Bring back the smgs and have the brute plasma be the brute equivalent; thus giving them a distinct niche

[@entityuntombed]

I love the Avenger, but I dont necessarily buy the Idea that 343 cant spare the effort to model/texture it correctly or integrate it into the academy and add customization support. The studio comes out with new models regularly these days whether it be for armor or weapons so having this rifle being left in such a state seems silly to me. I also need to point out that Infinite uses a decent number of Halo 5 assets for weapons including the Plasma Pistol, Plasma Cannon, Warthog, Mongoose, Wasp and so on. I think by this point we should have seen ports of H5 weapons like the Fuel Rod Gun (which is already in the files), the Grenade Launcher, the Brute Plasma Rifle and the CE Magnum to name a few.

[@LateNightHalo]

The stuff you see from halo 5 most likely had to be rebuilt for infinite. Even weapons like the plasma pistol have modifications made to the Model, VFX, materials, etc

[@entityuntombed]

⁠@@LateNightHalo no doubt about that, but if they can manage skins and sfx for the new avenger they should theoretically be able to do the same for the others. Regardless, as a Ghosts of Onyx fan I really appreciate you coming to the defense of this gem of a weapon. I never thought I’d see the day where the MA5K made it into the games

[@Spendingryan]

@@LateNightHalo yeah, for example the halo 5 warthog lost its hub caps in halo infinite for the wheels, it actually looks better but the older warthog looked better with its hub caps that pop off.

[@montypython5521]

@@LateNightHalo "rebuilt" more like pasted in and touched up.

[@LateNightHalo]

@@montypython5521not how game development works lol

[@OnizukaFFM]

problem is not what we got but what we did not get after 3 years! still major things missing game exists only to promote shop item sales barely any effort to develop the game warhammer added weapon and operations shortly after launch 343 owes us at least 4 covenant and foreunner weapons in one update

[@flimsywrist3176]

I think it’s because 343 has one of the worst reps in gaming. They had the audacity to have an item shop in infinite, even if it wasn’t close to finished. We finally get a new weapon, and it’s just a tweaked assault rifle, which is seen as lazy. Because 343 has a bad reputation, they can’t get away with lazy. Edit: Also, people have been clamoring for guns like the plasma rifle and brute shot, so this feels like we’ve been ignored, and a slap in the face.

[@WokeDEMOCRATShaveASPD]

Also to point out that some people aren’t too well adjusted and have a disagreeable careless personality to many different levels. Even with all I’ve been through with halo since 05 and my grievances, I still try to keep it constructive and respectable.

[@bander960]

I agree, it really doesn't shake the stigma of the company's laziness. The fact that we've gone so many years without guns like the Plasma Rifle and Launcher, the Concussion Rifle, Brute Shot, etc. to add some more spice to the sandbox is just exhausting tbh

[@bobbyhillthuglife]

343 has absolutely disastrous productivity levels. I defy you to find another dev who has less to show for thousands of man-hours of dev time than 343.

[@flimsywrist3176]

@@bobbyhillthuglife Valve

[@ZedByt]

@@flimsywrist3176 they actually spend a tremendous amount of time and recourses creating stuff, it's just usually either for stuff you don't see/hard to notice (Steam stuff), or stuff you haven't seen yet or are foundations for other things (VR stuff, integrations for stuff like Steam+VR, engines for games, yada yada) and unlike 343, none of that stuff flops and is a mess

[@TCRP117]

"Our next operation is Halo 2 themed. We need a new weapon. Something that'll remind players of that game. How about the SMG?" "Best we can do is reskin the AR to look like the MA5K " "... is that from Halo 2?" "Nah, the cover of Ghosts of Onyx" "What does that have to do with ..." "Nothing." "... sure. Ok. Why not."

[@serballista]

It's anything but new, let's be honest. Same as the "bandit" (DMR).

[@AustinH7]

I think the Avenger is quite literally what the assault rifle should have been from the start in halo infinite…

[@mikeman232]

I haven't played Infinite in a while, but when I heard/saw the Avenger, thought they should've just applied the stats as changes for the current Assault Rifle, cause this reminded me of the MA5B from CE, and you know, would've saved cost of making new model(s), and sounds. The Avenger looks like a MA5B mixed with a Famas, and while I love handle-bars on rifles, this doesn't feel enough to permit a totally new weapon, like the Brute Shotgun. Neither the less, commenting my mind to help your video reach the algorithm, great video as usual LNG.

[@LateNightHalo]

Appreciate the support, man, means a lot!

[@jacrispybbq]

I wish we just got the smg from h2 instead

[@memeextreme1356]

They should turn that rail gun skin for the sniper rifle into a rail gun.

[@bdo333]

I dont hate the Avenger, I hate what it represents. I dont mind developers recycling resources if it results in new content, my issue is.. Why cant they do this more and why did it take so long? Stuff that comes right on time is the stuff you gotta pay for, but if it comes to new weapons or vehicles, youre gonna be waiting for awhile. Theres plenty of options, weapons and vehicles, that can be added to the sandbox... Stuff that we've been asking for years for, and we got the Avenger. Clownshow company.

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

If the Shotgun, BR, and Assault Rifle had a baby..

[@Emb4Prez]

In halo 5 we got the sentinel beam, reach grenade launcher, and even a hunters arm as post launch weapons. It’s tragic that we’ve gone from that to this

[@averagemug]

It's honestly a really great addition. Sure it technically fills a vaguely similar spot on the roster as the AR, but it's honestly more useful than the AR when pared with other weapons like the Plasma Pistol.

[@MarsiB013]

The AR is way more accurate.

[@averagemug]

@MarsiB013 You rarely use the AR for distanced accuracy.

[@MarsiB013]

@@averagemug The Avenger is useless beyond its rrr which is pretty short. Avenger is for short range, the AR is for short-middle.

[@averagemug]

@MarsiB013 The AR's most useful quality is it's ability to fill enemies with lead after depleting their shields, the Avenger does this better.

[@MarsiB013]

@@averagemug Sure if you're toe to toe with the enemy...

[@SnakeGeo]

343 always has the common theme of producing low effort on concepts that should have been integrated years ago

[@voicebross]

where is my wife?

[@CHILL_Z0N3]

With Me.

[@bretmorris830]

I was hungry 😋

[@LAV-III]

With ONI

[@ThommyofThenn]

Sorry she's tired I'll make some coffee and set it on the nightstand. She said something about dark roast last night so i assume she prefers no milk?

[@jakeplayzyt5220]

She’s out shopping, just keep gaming on halo

[@BHill-qi6rn]

This was supposed to be the ultimate halo game, this game should've had all weapons, vehicles, & armor customizations from all the halo games from the start, no paywalls, unless it's for bonus DLC map's, like in the past.

[@MuscledRMHv2]

Excluding the known facts that 343 should have never released Infinite as barebones as it did (or any future Halo game), I also can't help but feel the MP maps never felt as alive as the classic games or even Halo 4's maps. One thing I love about Destiny's Crucible maps (especially the D1 maps) is how alive they felt just like the classic Halo games. The worlds / environments of halo infinite just kinda lack the feeling of a living breathing world.

[@icarusgaming6269]

Seeing this game without sprinting or clambering just makes the strafe look even more jittery

[@jesse3430]

"Sprint" does absolutely nothing you barely go faster than walking speed, they just put it in to make you feel like you're going faster

[@squidrecluse2336]

I understand why they went this route, but ideally I would have preferred if they brought back the SMG as a proper side arm. Maybe in the next game.

[@killsode4760]

there is no "leave it alone" halo infinite had utterly failed as a game, and quadruply as a halo game. You dont need to try and defend it.

[@Ducain_Plays]

I'm just happy we got a new weapon. I just wish we could get a new vehicle even if it is a variant. Imagine a Rally Hog like Halo 5 (basically a faster and more agile Warthog without the turret). Also no the Razorback isn't like the Rally Hog 🤣 Maybe make a Rally Razorback 🤔

[@Spendingryan]

Anti Air wraith too like H5? Halo 5 also got the wasp added to it, so I was hoping infinite would get the falcon added as its additional aircraft.

[@Ducain_Plays]

@@Spendingryan Yea I wish the Falcon would be added. It is a perfect team vehicle!

[@thefallen2220]

​@@Spendingryanactually about that the Falcon is in the works

[@shottytheshotgun]

I didn’t know there was controversy. I don’t mind the visual similarity because it immediately conveys what kind of weapon it is. It looks AR-adjacent because it plays AR-adjacent.

[@darkspark5854]

It’s just not worth all the waiting we’ve done. It’s the bare minimum. It’s “better than nothing” but this is Halo. We deserve better than “better than nothing”.

[@R1sk1t-B1sk1t]

I literally called it when they added it that it was just a modified ar

[@deterlanglytone]

Its great. Its like having two smgs in rifle form. To me the cut-corners with this weapon seem lore accurate, they're of the same lineage. I think it actually comes up in Harvest?

[@Spendingryan]

My thoughts too, its just the quality issues, like the QR code reads something along the lines of "MA40 Assault Rifle" (the Bandit rifle had the correct qr code which was added) which a giant company could have changed to MA5K Avenger easily but they probably fired the previous designer, plus you can see on the model it still fires 7.62 NATO, which no SMG has ever.

[@montypython5521]

It's lore accurate that the game sucks, right dude.

[@tomtheconqerur]

I wished that they give the CE assault skin to this beauty. It feels more like the CE assualt rifle than infinites and actually has a 60 round magazine.

[@Xozkov]

I respect the MA5K's legacy but the way it was introduced is completely telling of how Microsoft treats this franchise. COD teams have the animators to do tons of unique animations for their silly weapon skins, but Halo Studios couldn't spare atleast one animator to tweak the existing animations so that the MA5K could be more proportionate (it should be more compact).

[@Xozkov]

I don't have a problem with repurposing weapons and giving them a different model (I think the CMA Commando should've been a box mag LMG variant) but it's too obvious that the reason they decided to go with the MA5K is because it was the least amount of effort possible. I know they churn out several helmets and armor pieces every month but imo even many of those I find to be cheap looking/kinda flat compared to MK VII

[@m3gawither7734]

Should've brought back the M7 to fufill the role in my opinion, the avenger looks neat but they already took our beloved magnum, they gotta give us something back man

[@trentrobertson5308]

The only gun in Halo worthy of being called a magnum is the one from Halo Combat Evolved all the other versions stink.

[@Spendingryan]

​​@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficialit has been in Halo 5, as the brute plasma rifle variant, along with the halo 1 magnum, and reach break action grenade launcher, Halo 5 was actually where we first saw the wasp aircraft too as an added vehicle.

[@m3gawither7734]

@@trentrobertson5308 the design is iconic and a series constant they had no right to omit it from infinite (exaggerating but still), also reach's is great

[@Spendingryan]

Look, I'm happy, but its the details and quality, and unlike the Bandit, they couldn't even be bothered to give it a proper ID barcode like every other weapon and added weapon on the UNSC side, or that designer was fired, plus this is the only SMG I've ever seen to fire the 7.62 NATO round, (written above the magazine there on the model) the halo 2 SMG was unique and fired caseless smaller caliber rounds.

[@bloodgulchpatrick]

SMG in Infinite's case is just a vague "close quarters automatic weapon" category. I mean, you can't really classify huge ass ancient beam gun and massive crystal spewing alien thing "sub-machine gun" either.

[@stormhought]

Halo fans? Being mean? It's unheard of!

[@YodaOnABender]

Because it’s just a waste of resources. Why did they put time into this near exact copy of another gun instead of giving us the brute shot or the million other legacy weapons we’ve not seen since 343 took over the franchise

[@abirdwitharms]

Formal request to change thumbnail to Avenger with teardrop and assless chaps pls

[@DorkAndFriends]

Lore wise it's understandable considering the MA series is a platform that can be adjusted to fit the scope of an operation without much downtime. Much like the early 2000s introduced the XM series for the US, and 22-ish years later, finally officially adopted the XM platform to replace the M4 platform. Now, that being said, there's no excuse for the production value of the weapon itself being nearly identical in looks with the assault rifle.

[@contagiousstorm]

I agree wholeheartedly, I don't care if animations are similar, even if the models were gonna be similar, I just want more weapons

[@winSonoma]

I don't hate it because of the way it was implemented; I hate it because it looks too much like a Battle Rifle

[@jamesdulak3108]

I haven't even played Infinite but it is cool having this gun that's been around in the lore for ages finally be in a game.

[@tsunderemerc2963]

I wont say no to a new weapon, and it makes for a good starter, as well as pleasing the lore nerd in me. My main issue is that is just a.....dull choice compared to other things they could have added. Its just a human automatic with different stats, compared to something like the brute shotgun they could used instead and fixed up. The same issue the Bandit has where they added a human preciscion rifle in a game that already had 2 of them.

[@spargsyrebooted]

I think the only thing that’s odd is that it isn’t on the weapon bench. Since it very obviously was a weapon model and all weapon models fully support coatings, I see little reason as to why the Avenger can’t quite easily get a spot on the weapon customisation bench. Also Fuel Rod SPNKr is in the files so we have a similar “low budget” new weapon to look forward to (again, I don’t see why that couldn’t support coatings either)

[@SonicE-07]

Don't defend it, we should've gotten the classic shotgun or the plasma rifle

[@LateNightHalo]

What current guns could be used to create a Plasma rifle from?

[@gravemind883]

​​... _what?_

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

Whenever they add customization for the Avenger, I hope that the MA5 kit for the MA40 becomes "crosscore," for just the two AR's, thatway we can have the classic AR with the original firerate and ammo count.

[@vladthedeathless9439]

One can hope

[@Eastra3]

The only thing I’d do more to the Avenger is to make the magazine skinnier and longer, as some carbine variants of rifles can change their receivers to fire different ammunitions. We all know that you can’t fit 60 bullets in there, but if it’s a long slender mag, it will look like it’s firing SMG type rounds, and I can see 60 SMG round fitting in there.

[@baanfrey]

My gripe is that this came out during the Halo 2 Anniversary and everyone was hoping for the SMG as Infinite somehow has an SMG category WITHOUT the SMG?! To get an AR reskin as the weapon after the dev team went and made several brand new weapon models for MTX is such a slap in the face. Is this all the fans get after all the money they raked in from MTX?

[@MasonOfLife]

I love this weapon, but why does everyone else feel so much better with it than me 😂

[@MasonOfLife]

“Skill issue”

[@tagesylvan3732]

I think this video kind of demonstrates the flaws with weapons skins. Instead of making actual content, devs are set to work on purely cosmetic items when their time could be better spent in other places. I get that these practices are kind of needed to monetize the games, but still.

[@mcelfy1006]

343 only really added 2 new guns post launch, bandit DRM that has 2 variants (one with optic and other without), and then slightly modified AR looking gun which kind seems like it could make a good SMG acting like something similar to what MP5/UMP are in more grounded looking games, at least we are getting double barrel shotgun but they should bring more classic fan fav guns too

[@petarpavicevic6799]

AVANGER is actually made by the same company that made AR. Its their own variant of an SMG with a design of AR. Thats why it looks the same. Company liked the design of AR and used it. Its one weapon from the book that was brought to life in infinite

[@miss1ngNo.4o4]

I'm amazed about the Halo 2 magnum deal, because I thought I was the only one who thought the sidekick was just functionally that same gun but rebalanced into something way more useful

[@Greatspartan87]

MA5K GANG RISE UP 🔥

[@Mazaraion]

There's hundreds of us! (hopefully)

[@LiveFromMyBasement]

Would love to see all the dlc weapons added to campaign FOB’s.

[@asawarai]

100% agree with you, as a Destiny player this just feels normal.

[@daammobandito7961]

My biggest complaint is the lack of being able to customize it, when it was announced i was excited for all the new crazy weapon models and coatings we could have seen from this gun considering imo the weapon model system post S4 has brought some of the best customization in the game in my opinion so I was excited by the possibilities. That said pretty much all the other complaints ive heard are literally lore accurate (iTs A gLoRiFiEd Ar ReSkIn -> look in the name, MA5K, MA5 AR, not hard to figure out thats the point, its a modified MA5) so I feel a lot of the discourse has gotten absurd

[@Turbopress2882]

I'm just happy there's attention being given to lore-based weapons. In fact, it's kind of cool that the MA5K isn't just a reskin. Also, for the record... lore-wise, at least, the MA5K and MA5C are variants of the same design. Like how the real life AR-15, Mk. 12, and SR-25 are all very similar designs. So it make sense why it's so similar.

[@gustavosimoes1995]

we're getting the mutilator already but i think they could do a stand-in to the classic shotty using the Hydra's animation set, or a forerunner rail gun using Heatwave's animations, a plasma repeater using the plasma carbine... some really interesting possitiblities

[@T3traFN_YT]

What I like about Avenger starts is that you're basically forced to go find a good weapon on the map. BR and bandit starts are boring imo

[@LateNightHalo]

bandit and BR starts have their purpose-they make for a more aggressive combat flow that benefits competitive play

[@T3traFN_YT]

@LateNightHalo Yeah, but in casual game modes, wouldn't avenger starts be dope?

[@LateNightHalo]

I do think halo infinite would be a lot more fun in 4v4 social modes if the Avenger replaced the AR. the AR is just way too strong at range in infinite

[@toucannfroot9107]

5 minutes of pure facts. Wonderful vid.

[@LateNightHalo]

Appreciate it, man!!🎉

[@AJMarraffa]

Man, being a Halo fan is tough rn. All we have for hype is low effort weapons.

[@josephmontanaro2350]

In lore it's a carbine version of the MA5 seryies, it makes sense it's similar, only odd thing is it's classified as a carbine in lore but it's got the same barrel length as a full sized MA5 (although in lore it's mentioned it's stripped down, no cowling and sevral other components stripped down for lighter weight and greater durabality, I guess in that sense it is a "lighter" weapon but not a true carbine)

[@Nefnoj]

Needler animations, plasma projectiles, and we finally have our plasma rifle. More than anything, I'd like things ported from Halo 5, but have no clue about feasibility.

[@ilikeplantsandvideogames8625]

I didn't think we needed it before it released but after I got time to play with it I'm a fan. I really wish we would have gotten a Halo 2 or Halo 3 inspired model though that had potentially a secondary where you could add the suppressor or remove the suppressor. Which would be really cool because the suppressor version could potentially keep you off the motion sensor when you're firing without moving too fast making for a great ambush weapon to open up a fight or close one while you're running away.

[@Nolrath]

The weapon model doesn’t bother me, the Avenger, or rather the MA5K, is variant of the MA5 Series of weapons. Its look and operation in the game is about exact to the description of the weapon given in Halo’s expanded lore given in the book series. Most notably shown on the cover art of Halo Ghosts of Onyx. That being said, I would’ve preferred to see the SMG and Plasma Rifle over the MA5K, but I enjoy seeing them adding weapons and variants from the books like the Stanchion Sniper Variant.

[@Mostima115]

I am happy that they added the Avenger, finally the MA5B makes a return in its carbine version, the CE AR was the best and most fun automatic starting weapon we ever had. H2's SMG's never managed to replace it, while the MA5C was never as fun as the MA5B.

[@PewPewPewBow]

I don't mind sharing parts of the model or animations either, but I do think it's odd the weapon has no customization options. I think you're right in saying that what's left of the Infinite team is only allowed to do the bare minimum, but at the same time it doesn't make sense from who ever is calling that to let so much of a mainline Halo game run on the bare minimum mindset. I can't imagine customization options would cost a lot of extra budget or resources. Most of that would have already been done by making the weapon a unique pick-up. UI for the in-game icons, voice lines, menu options, localization for it all already has to be done. Those customization menus can't add up that much more. All of that stuff should be set up pretty systematically, no crazy custom stuff required to add or a remove a page / weapon. If anything it should be a bit easier to share coatings if most of the model is shared with the assault rifle? Not upset about this one thing, but it's the fact that the game has been treated this way from the start that I can't understand. It should've been a flagship title and treated as such. At this point most of it feels like too little too late, with what's left of the player base and I get they don't get much budget / resources anymore from above.

[@SargeJ117]

I honestly love it, I don’t hate it

[@garybreedlove4241]

Its like they wanted to add the SMG but didnt want to go through the trouble of making new animations

[@bone3756]

I kinda think the controversy has a lot to do with the internet just being a rage bait machine. If there isn’t a “problem” then what is there to talk about. I hope that isn’t true but it’s how I’ve felt. Edited “is” to “if”

[@pie75]

and if you comment without a problem, then you ARE the problem~ i dont think its just the internet, its everywhere in life now, since we all have rougher lives than we did 20 years ago. the pain has to vent, and since we're social, it vents into someone else's face.

[@ernesto-_-cs]

I actually really enjoyed playing with the new weapon, it’s refreshing and it’s good enough.

[@chocolatefitzgerald5692]

I don't play Halo Infinite yet, but they have to add that double barrel O/U brute shotgun. That was fucking gas.

[@Chuck2722]

Every weapon used to have its own unique visual design. Weapons like this only make it harder to discern what weapon the enemy actually has and take away from the uniqueness of the assault rifle

[@willywimper248]

I would agree with this, however, the main problem I see is that since the game came out we have gotten TWO new weapons, one being recycled and they other being this. I doubt they will focus on halo infinite's arsenal with whatever new project they said they're making.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

personally would have rather gotten the original smg, or the silenced smg from odst.

[@Sta_cotto]

On the subject of Destiny and its reloads, I'd love to see you do a review of those animations, kinda like you did with Infinite's weapons right before release

[@stevemc6010]

it helps if you have like the MA5B weapon kit for the regular Assault Rifle, at least keeps the models more distinct from each other despite having identical animations i think what you said about Destiny is true for the 2014 game, but D2 has a lot more distinctly animated weapons afaik

[@BrxIghtside]

The ma5k is GREAT would love a mythic version thats a saw capacity

[@BeansBroBeans]

If they added a reskin to change it to the SMG I think that'd be neat

[@Bert439]

They couldn't even bother to give it a unique Reload or campaign integration

[@harrypotter5121]

What makes me angry about this is not the fact its hobbled together its just the fact this is what the AR should have been. The rate of fire and the ammo amount is PERFECT for that Classic AR skin they dropped. I need it.

[@JustMisterFox]

Two things: One, reusing assets to make new weapons could increase sandbox bloat. The Magnum is ✨️*Iconic*✨️, but Infinite already has the Mangler, so adding another slow firing, heavy hitting handgun would just be redundant. If they wanna add new weapons, I think the Forerunner route is the way to go since there are only two Forerunner weapons, and they go crazy with how they work. Off the top of my head, they could make a gun like the Zippleback from HTTYD. The gun sprays a cloud of little floating doodads like the Promethean grenade from Halo 5, then the alt fire on the gun causes them to detonate into little damaging fields like the Promethean grenade from Halo 4. And two, how much have you spent on Infinite? I just saw the peppermint gun coating and was curious. Especially since these operations are totally free, it's not like you have to buy the pass to unlock premium rewards.

[@MrBohij]

Of all the guns they COULD add, they add a second Assault Rifle.

[@jensonkiin3678]

I just wish it was shorter. It's meant to be the carbine variant of the MA5 and yet it's the exact same length in game.

[@pikashroom1]

this is my first time seeing this thing at all and it alone makes me want to play halo infinite again, I love this kind of weapon in halo

[@KinotheHedgehog]

I think less variant weapons and more legacy weapons need to return. We need the classic shotgun, beam rifle, spartan laser, brute shot, classic magnum, plasma rifle, fuel rod cannon, classic carbine. All of these guns have been a part of Halo for over a decade, no need to reinvent the wheel when we already had it down pat before.

[@BotBruh448]

I actually don't get why we didn't just get the M6C as the standard Pistol and have it perform like the sidekick