Why Do Integrated Graphics SUCK?

[@FizzleFX]

0:09 *why try again?* i thought you nailed it the first time!

[@Bottledwater13]

Yeah,what he said first was actually true.

[@ColinMroczko]

Rayyan Sumaguina lol

[@josephmother6822]

Miguel Sanchez Sleeper PCs: :(

[@Calplus]

*Vega iGPU have entered the chat* *Intel UHD have left the chat*

[@thebeastahmer4001]

Lol

[@honly872]

Hey can is it bad if i have Vega 8 (integrated graphica card) ,8gb ram,ryzen 3200g? I saw a lot of videos of tests with this specs and they can run best games with solid fps and solid graphics,here link: pevex.hr/pc-konfiguracija-feniks-info-hyper-x-2061-amd-ryzen-3200g-8gb-ddr4-ssd-480gb-326172.html

[@Calplus]

@@honly872At that price? Yeah, I think it's pretty worth it. Not that bad. In the future, however, I suggest you ask in Reddit or forums such as the LTT forums. I may not be able to respond to such queries. Please do not make your purchasing decisions based on one stranger's comment either; seek other people's opinion too. Cheers!

[@mohitdhameja5914]

@@honly872 it'll be better if u have one more 8gb stick and run the two in dual channel. And it'll also be better if u buy 3400g with vega 11 if u r not planning to purchase a graphic card in near future. And yeah, ur ram clocks should be =/> 3000mhz to get the best performance

[@chris_afxon]

@@honly872 how many euros or dollars?

[@WolfestoneManor]

"I want more dedicated graphics chips on laptops!" Translation: "I love thermals!!!"

[@InfernosReaper]

The cooling on my laptop is notoriously meh. After I undervolted & underamped the CPU, both CPU & GPU temperatures dropped yet performance didn't. Why Acer thought putting them both on the same heatsink was a good idea amounted to "this cheaper." I'm just glad it actually was able to be improved to acceptable levels without a friggin' cooling mat.

[@WolfestoneManor]

@@InfernosReaper I bought an AMD FX chipset laptop a while ago and it ran stupid hot. Cramming an assload of cores into a small body wasn't going to be a good idea. Lol

[@nathnathn]

Im lucky in my laptop doesn’t get that hot. Tho in exchange it weighs a ton. SLI gtx1080

[@aravindr4986]

@@InfernosReaper You didn't watch reviews before buying?

[@InfernosReaper]

@@aravindr4986 No one I trusted had reviewed it. It was a bit of a gamble, but overall, one that paid off for *me*. I'm not sure it'd be a good fit for everyone, since not everyone is willing to trial and error on power adjustments, or buy a cooling pad.

[@CheahMichael]

Why does integrated GPU sucks? They don't. It's Intel GPU that sucks, Ryzen APU's integrated GPU is a decent low-mid tier GPU.

[@dz_apollo]

i see you are a man of culture aswell

[@jedi22300]

@@dz_apollo shut up weeb. btw, i'm a weeb as well, so i'll shut up too

[@campkira]

If the price is good but laptop with 1050 card will add a lot more power than APU every can... The price differnt won't that much anyhow....

[@shevonmullings4131]

@@jedi22300lol

[@DraconianDebate]

@@campkira I spent $380 for a laptop for my wife with a Ryzen 5 2500u, my laptop with an i7 7700hq and 1050 cost over 800. Price is a massive difference. Obviously my pc is better but any game also available on console (95% of games) run playable on it.

[@caelantree3401]

I'm into a game that punishes hardware. Minecraft

[@real_andrii]

In DigitalFoundry's video about ray tracing it actually does....

[@campkira]

APU would had hard time since that game require more than just computing power...

[@solarstrike33]

Java has been known for being very stuttery too.

[@cunnyman]

Bitch, that is demanding as fuck. Ever tried 4K, max render, mountain or forest biome and 144fps? That is without mods. Your dang PC would be crying. Now add ray tracing to it or simply just one of those realistic modpacks. A 1080Ti can't even run those things at medium settings 4K30fps.

[@Konuta]

@@cunnyman We all know that... Em can you smartass be smarter than this before you reply to a comment? And yes I know you are a kid.

[@triton6771]

When I was 13 i tried to download Nvidia GeForce on my Intel hd laptop

[@DeerJerky]

@AThePetrov ok

[@nameless9084]

Same

[@Bantersam]

Hahaha made my day dude

[@Belks1453]

Ryzen APUs: Am i joke to you Edit: My 2 cents, good as a temporary case in budget builds but become irrelevant when GPU is available, may also be helpful in emulation pcs since graphics arent used too much Edit 2: 2400G is a fucking joke though

[@17xWalker]

APU don't have video memory , you use your ram and it's very bad

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

Yes they're joke compared to a budget GPU ;) Unless we're talking about consoles, which does both in a small package.

[@randomstuff-cu4of]

​@@DeadPhoenix86DP vega 11 (r5 2400g) with dual channel fast ram can beat the gddr5 gt1030 and run all new games at at least like 720p low and most higher

[@Montisaquadeis]

Alo Intel paired with VEGA AKA Hades Canyon nuc. Or those systems based on Kaby Lake G CPUs.

[@pranaym3859]

@@DeadPhoenix86DP Though they aren't as good as High end GPUs it is impressive how well can it run after seeing crappy intel integrated graphics for years

[@jasontaylor5061]

Just download a better graphics card. Problem solved.

[@dz_apollo]

ooh i see

[@dooitnastyy399]

L

[@brandonmohammed9092]

Ahh i see youre a man of culture as well

[@ais4185]

That doesn''t work lol everybody knows you have to download PCIe slots first.

[@petenielsen6683]

Turn half your onboard memory into a virtual drive and then wonder why you are getting out of memory errors...

[@obi-wankenobi8406]

Dunno my 2400g is pretty nice

[@rainbowisticfarts]

Thats just your opinion fool

[@rwbimbie5854]

It would be WAY nicer with 1 or 2 gb ddr5 vram chiplets on the plank

[@AdriMB86]

​@@rainbowisticfarts, it performs similarly to a gt 1030 so.. if you are on a very tight budget it is worth it.

[@_yuri]

it is indeed apus are hella good. you get pretty much a free entry level gpu with them. i am waiting for navi 20

[@carltonleboss]

Hello there

[@samuelislam9927]

Lot of heat, heat is bad Saved you guys a lot of time

[@christopherkidwell9817]

Heat is only bad if you do not have the proper cooling solution. Really this could be taken care of by having support for E-GPU's by default... but that would mean Thunderbolt on everything!

[@samuelislam9927]

@@christopherkidwell9817 I mean while that's true, CPU temps are measured internally rather than the externally as the heat can damage components if not redistributed fast enough. So for example, if the CPU creates 120°C of heat, but can disapate it at a rate so it's 80°C constantly, the high temperature will still damage the CPU, just over a longer time in contrast to if it was cooler by default

[@rwbimbie5854]

APU heat? Are you unfamiliar with the AMD FX series space heaters? Pairing a 65-90w cpu with a 75-125w gpu is still less electricity->heat than classic AMD toasters

[@samuelislam9927]

@Alfred Cain if only it was that easy

[@Kalvinjj]

@@rwbimbie5854 you reminded me of that "factory 5GHz" 200w TDP meme they actually sold

[@DodoGTA]

Because there's limited space in a CPU and memory bandwidth of normal DDRx RAM is limited

[@pierreuntel1970]

Oh hey

[@_aullik]

"and memory bandwidth of normal DDRx RAM is limited" not only limited, also not optimized for heavy parallel work.

[@neon_necromunda]

The dies could be made larger at a profit cost to the silicon fabrication owner. Oh no did I just imply that profits mite be too high in the tech industry! Sarcasm incase your not Canadian or British.

[@elemat28]

@@_aullik well as much as it's true, I'd say it would be probably possible to to get the igpu a set of its own memory slots you could expand yourself, no?

[@WinterCharmVT]

Yeah. Integrated graphics with actually decent memory attached (Like the Intel 8809G) has proper mid-range performance .

[@johannsmith5697]

Should be, "why cant intel make awesome integrated graphics?"

[@AlfaPro1337]

Clearly haven't heard the their Iris Pro graphics.

[@soosasoolaa2981]

Or why amd can't make good high end processors

[@MTMguy]

@@AlfaPro1337 Intel's Iris Pro iGPUs aren't even close to AMD's RX Vega iGPUs though.

[@AlfaPro1337]

@@MTMguy Dude, it was before RX Flop came out. The RX Flop gets decimated by the Titan V/RTX. Why else they named it so differently from the RX 4/500 series? Obviously to beat the Titan V/RTX.

[@AliciaCLR]

They're doing it atm

[@s1gne]

hehe, i just bought a AMD A8-9600 because it has integrated graphics. :D it arrives tomorrow. It's for a server so it doesn't need good graphics.

[@raiyantajwar1564]

how much did it cost? could've got the athlon 200ge?

[@hankhuevos3336]

@@raiyantajwar1564 the athlon 200ge 2c/2tbut the a8 9600 has 4 cores

[@raiyantajwar1564]

@@hankhuevos3336 200ge is actually 2c/4t, but even then the multicore performance is much better than a8 9600, and single core is miles better. graphics is also much newer and faster vega 3. Even the whole chip itself is much more efficient as well.

[@culturedsquid8442]

@@solarstrike33 So ? The A8-9600 is an AM4 chip . Just like the 200GE .

[@culturedsquid8442]

@@hankhuevos3336 The Athlon 200GE is faster at any workload , and more efficient , the newer architecture will give the system a much much much MUCH smoother experience 14nm vs 28nm is no contest . 14nm ftw .

[@MrMysticphantom]

Have you not seen AMD APUs? They do integrated graphics that can do decent gaming for a while

[@rickytorres9089]

Yea it's well enough as long as you don't wanna run insanity games or games on 4k or something like that insane. Just be realistic and an APU may do for you.

[@rumham7631]

@@rickytorres9089 that's kind of retarded logic though to be honest... who is going to have a 4k capable monitor(hundreds of dollars more than a simple 1080p monitor) but can't afford a discrete graphics card? Nobody that plans on running a 4k gaming setup would ever buy an APU.. the APU market is for people who are building a cheap, bare-bones gaming setup. For instance my sister plays World of Warcraft casually, along with old titles like Skyrim and Fallout.. I built her a system with a Ryzen 2400g and it runs everything on ultra settings just fine at 1080p, which is the resolution most people are playing on. You can't expect a budget CPU to give enthusiast level performance, nobody complains that a 1030 doesn't give 200 FPS at 4k resolution because they understand that it's a budget card...

[@honly872]

Hey can is it bad if i have Vega 8 (integrated graphica card) ,8gb ram,ryzen 3200g? I saw a lot of videos of tests with this specs and they can run best games with solid fps and solid graphics,here link: pevex.hr/pc-konfiguracija-feniks-info-hyper-x-2061-amd-ryzen-3200g-8gb-ddr4-ssd-480gb-326172.html

[@WillowStudio]

@@honly872 i have 3200g and it surprises me each day

[@Tony-pm5xo]

This episode of techquickie is bought to you by *sporkspace!*

[@swankitydankity297]

Ryzen APUs actually give very respectable performance

[@eee1200]

To think that rdna 3 apus are almost 1060 performance

[@Prodbytocile]

@@eee1200 might be even more if fsr 4 comes out still crazy that they can run forza horizon at 4k 100fps

[@SonicMastr500s]

Finally a 4K option on Techquickie. Thank you for this gift

[@hollow8194]

And I am out here playing it at 360p😂😂

[@TonyThendo]

@@hollow8194 Same here🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@eboal2]

I need a video detailing spork technologies and advantages/disadvantages of different spork configurations @3:44

[@benitollan]

0:16 "even DROPPING" I see what you did there.

[@Heffen89]

Spork: In Germany this piece of cutlery is called a "Göffel" 'G' from Gabel (fork) and 'öffel' from Löffel (spoon).

[@GabeGan]

I thought the spork joke was gonna be the sponsor plug... Linus I'm very disappointed.

[@Deadite9405]

Snow Peak sponsorship when?

[@j-prosper]

ive enjoyed watching your channel and now have decided to go to college for CIS - cyber security. thank you for the inspiration.

[@dozebooster]

At least it's still good for emergency situations. Like if your GPU suddenly stops working and you got no spare

[@48aee]

Or if you fuck up and accidentally overclocked your gpu too far

[@gerowen]

@1:30 What about a CPU the size of a Ryzen chip with something like a standard 8 core desktop CPU and mid range graphics capabilities?

[@zUltra3D]

Because they don't have RGB.

[@itizjuan]

Just download RGB.

[@Fraudjaku]

@@itizjuan what

[@Cocxy69]

@@itizjuan lmao

[@KichanU]

4:02 award winning 24/7 customer support is the main deal here

[@djsnowpdx]

This episode of Techquickie was brought to you by THE SPORK

[@benjaminjones1505]

This is why my laptop with a old ass i3 sucks as when trying to even play online games. My next computer must have an actual GPU.

[@jascha5303]

1:57 *That's a lotta damage

[@Sgt_Hest]

I would love if there was another socket on the motherboards, to install a GPU, instead of using a card for it :D and then just put on whatever cooler you like

[@thelazt16]

Then your motherboard will be covered with 2 enormous cooler (unless you use water/liquiq cooler) and that took a lot of space, PCIE is more practical since it's mounted vertically so not much space covered.

[@karlkukk7080]

Febri Eka Setyawan also no vram

[@Kalvinjj]

@@thelazt16 in other hand, we could also go the reverse way, and go full Slot A/ Slot 1 days when Intel and AMD released Athlons and Pentiums in slot form. It looked exactly like a graphics card does nowadays, but was a processor (for who's unfamiliar with it, google it! It's at least interesting)

[@thelazt16]

@@Kalvinjj They could make that happen but why would you innovate thing that will only cut down performance when it's actually doesn't need that kind of innovation. It just as ridiculous as Kingston Fury RGB SSD which has speed slower than MicrodSD because of it's getting overheated from it's own 75 RGB lights.

[@BankruptGreek]

using the same gddr5/HBM2 memory after a gpu upgrade would be nice..

[@hannesderechte3021]

Boy: Nvidia Man: AMD Legend: Intel HD graphics

[@FortniteGamer-qx2he]

Steve Irwin: no gpu at all

[@emperorfaiz]

Maybe in the future, Thunderbolt 3 port should be more ubiquitous on all types of laptops so all users have the option to buy a cheaper eGPU unit instead of buying a new gaming laptop or build a gaming desktop.

[@pinkomega5329]

The spork? Did you mean: *the fpoon?*

[@JohnHoggard_aka_DaddyHoggy]

My youngest only wanted to play Sims4, so I spent spent a long time pricing a laptop with a dGPU until I found several YT videos showing people playing Sims4 at 1366x768 on the iGPU of an i5-6200U, so that's what we bought instead. Also, as suggested by YT, bought and extra 4GB of RAM to make it dual channel and to give the iGPU access to more RAM and squeezed out another 10% in benchmarks with that configuration. 3-years down the line and she's still very happy with it and is still playing Sims4 (with just about every expansion pack available).

[@hellscream4354]

Oh just you wait till the ryzen 3000 apu's come out, considering how solid the r5 2400g was, I am expecting great improvements.

[@lucinum9012]

Navi APU's would be sick next month

[@yui_chan298]

0:07 powerful GPU: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?

[@ashbeernrahmat4792]

Video suggestion: Can you please make a comparison between 2 mid-level GPU vs. 1 expensive GPU

[@codybaker4257]

I wanted to do that with the rx480s but mobo that support crossfire can be expensive

[@youigta]

0:17 sounds like what Linus would do

[@allenthewizard7627]

Apple: hold my M1 chip

[@AromaticAsthmatic]

I’d love to see a comparison between GPU & iGPU performance for graphics design software and pen display tech!

[@irwainnornossa4605]

Spork is abomination comparable only to CPUs without SMT aka HT, iGPUs and apple's business practices. For some things, depths of hell aren't enough.

[@ericwood3709]

My 2200G has no SMT, and I actually don't miss it. 4 cores with no SMT is fine for most things, gaming included.

[@toosweetham]

Tech quickie + Tech linked = Tech Linkie

[@Thommygun-qv7um]

The spork IS awesome, but can it run Crysis?

[@TabalugaDragon]

didn't mention how iGPU is critically important for laptops due to low power consumption and how iGPU is useful for video rendering\streaming(quick sync video).

[@aaronphillips402]

My laptop's 8th Gen i5 with integrated graphics can't even play Bendy and the Ink Machine.

[@ananth.a]

@Ben dy 1 or 2? Watchdogs 1 isn't that demanding right?

[@bedhunter]

Playing it on ultra and full res with a 1070, if I recall correctly.

[@campkira]

@Ben dy You need more RAM....

[@campkira]

@@ananth.a If he don't had enough RAM... it won't work... I know since mine older gaming laptop come with low RAM... put some more RAM it and it smooth...

[@NotSoCrazyNinja]

My experience with gaming on integrated graphics is that you need a decent CPU and a LOT of RAM. Last night I doubled the ram on a laptop I have and decided to see how well it handles a heavily modified Minecraft with the extra ram. It did a lot better with more ram available, but it still sucked compared to my other laptop that amazingly has dedicated graphics. The FPS with that heavily modified Minecraft (forge with about 60 mods playing singleplayer lol) on the integrated graphics laptop averaged about 20-30FPS with the 8GB of RAM and about 10-15FPS with the 4GB of RAM. The dedicated graphics laptop averages between 40-60FPS with 4GB of ram. I ordered RAM for it that should be here next week to bright it up to 8GB. That being said, a plain ol' Minecraft install in multiplayer on both do well with optifine and reasonable settings. The killer of game performance, in my opinion, is Windows 10. Windows 10 seems to love to eat through RAM and spare CPU cycles. I run a lightweight but decent Linux distro, so my game selection may be limited, but Windows 10 pissed me off so much that I ditched it. Windows 7 was alright with a lot of tweaks. It seems Windows 10 can't be slimmed down as well as 7 and the updates are a nightmare. On the laptop that I just doubled the RAM on, it had Windows 10 on it but a few updates failed. Those updates continued to fail. Hours of talking to customer service and trying everything they could think of and those updates just would not install. You would start the computer and it would take a half-hour to get to the desktop because it would try to install those updates, then fail, then revert. There seems to be no actual way to ignore those updates either. One thing was tried to ignore them, and it worked for like two days before it reverted to the habit of trying to force me to install those updates. I finally had enough to went (back) to Linux and have had zero major issues since.

[@khl2445]

cant wait for Qualcomm, Samsung and Apple to make their chips compatible with windows/mac especially if the rumored Samsung investment into their chips is real, 116 BILLION???? omg i want to dual boot my tablet as my main computer, and then my phone soon later

[@Montisaquadeis]

There are already laptops running Windows S on arm based qualcomm cpus

[@csharpcoffee]

Windows on mobile architectures can't run most software. There is an ARM build of Windows, but most software isn't compatible. That's a huge downside. Afaik, android is more capable than ARM Windows.

[@rwbimbie5854]

Linux has been running on Arm for a long time

[@ericwood3709]

@@rwbimbie5854 That's what I would run on an ARM laptop, especially if I could virtualize Windows for ARM on it for work.

[@NOELQUEZON]

How does work Intel Integrated and Nvidia Discrete are working together combine make fusion?

[@Integrated-Graphics]

I don't suck!

[@justaguy6216]

A spork is actually a perfect metaphor, it's not the best at being a fork neither it's the best at being a spoon. But it's usable in many general use cases.

[@parrotyee]

Okay so, 4K low graphics on a pc with the Ryzen 5 2400G? Change my mind.

[@MiguelFaro]

This may be stupid but why can't we use a laptops gpu in a normal computer?

[@itsdeonlol]

RGB IS ALL YOU NEED!!! Also APUs are getting better!

[@Rahul-ey1oq]

My crush: My laptop has integrated graphics. Me: Hoooot!!!!

[@ejmuerterisefromthedead8924]

No wonder why i cant play 3D hentai games this is just a sad story of mine :(

[@solarstrike33]

Try older ones. Trust me, I *know* they work on iGPUs.

[@ejmuerterisefromthedead8924]

@@solarstrike33 how?? My integrated graphics card is 4600

[@solarstrike33]

@@ejmuerterisefromthedead8924 I had the same iGPU as you.

[@ejmuerterisefromthedead8924]

@@solarstrike33 ok... but that's weird on my laptop how it can't run on 3D

[@naufalap]

@@ejmuerterisefromthedead8924 that is your personal problem

[@HitMarkersAreFun]

No sugar? Damn. Y'all ain't never got two things that match. Either y'all got Kool-aid, no sugar. Peanut butter, no jelly. Ham, no burger. Daaamn.

[@LeeBondo]

The older the berry the sweeter the juice...

[@aborkmga1]

There's nvidia Tegra x1 and amd APU both have powerful integrated gpu it's just intel been lazy as usual

[@rhysjones8506]

Tegra X1 is less powerful than modern intel integrated graphics... Even though I hate doing it if we compare GFLOPS... X1 is 500, my 3 year old mid range laptop is about 420... The high range ones are leaps above the x1

[@Malus1531]

@@rhysjones8506 I think the normal Tegra X1 is 1 TFLOP, but the version in the Switch is downclocked to ~500 GFLOPs, which yeah is pretty weak. Slower than an RX 550 or GT 1030 and all current-gen consoles, about twice as fast as an Xbox 360.

[@nathanmead140]

@@Malus1531 they did that to save battery while using the switch as a portable system but when it is in the dock it is higher

[@Malus1531]

@@nathanmead140 True, still weaker though. Top of my head I wanna say it's like 350MHz portable and 760MHz docked, while the regular X1 runs at like 1.2GHz.

[@rhysjones8506]

@@Malus1531 no it's 500 GFLOPS... Switch is 400 docked, the whole tflop is Nvidia trying to be smart... That's with fp16 calculations, or floating points... whereas the norm for everything is fp32, that's what all APIs use... with fp32 calculations it's only half a tflop

[@matthewmcinnes9725]

So, I now have to ask; what's the problem with having a Motherboard with a socket and dedicated memory slots for said socket for a graphics chip to be removable and be in one piece on the motherboard similar to the Dual Socket Server motherboards but instead of a second CPU it would be a Graphics Processor? Consoles seem to be perfectly capable of doing this, minus the interchangeability of the GPU socket.

[@AlguienMas]

The video:why do iGPU's suck Intel:"nervous sweating" AMD:*laughs in APU*

[@nab-_-4978]

So the pc I want to buy has ryzen 5 3400g and vega 11, so I cant 1050ti put the 1050ti in it? Please reply...

[@therealwetwizard]

they don't suck! they let you play bookworm Adventures deluxe, Minecraft and Roblox. Checkmate 😎

[@KyleA1205]

Ew roblox

[@Cubebass]

Let James host more techquickie and LTT

[@krishnakanth6662]

Motherboard should have one more socket for GPU like CPU with ddr5 as shared memory...

[@Hi-nh7wu]

APUs are actually a great option for people new to building pcs, and offer great value when looking at esports titles, rather than things like gta or rdr. In games like LoL CS and valorant, getting 75fps+ is easy (I say 75 since any getting an apu prob isn’t getting a 120hz+ monitor), and you don’t even have to reduce the settings! The only real downsides to this, are you can’t play more demanding games like gta, and it will make your pc look incomplete and empty

[@Aeronaut1975]

nVidia 2080 with Intel i9 9900K. Yes, I have noticed my electricity bills rise...

[@EOdin-bc4qe]

You forgot to mention that CPUs and GPUs use vastly different architecture. While CPUs have to be able to work different types of operations, dedicated GPUs can make use of their purpose to only solve one type of operation over and over.

[@ZAR556]

More accurate thumbnail, Intel integrated graphic is SCUK Use AMD APU

[@pranitdongare1435]

Can you do a video on, what is game ready driver and creator ready driver??

[@kevenharvey9711]

By far, memory bandwidth is the biggest reason integrated graphics can't be more powerful than what they are now.

[@kevenharvey9711]

@Transistor Jump The i7-8809G has ~205GB/s bandwidth but it has dedicated memory for the AMD GPU, can hardly be called an iGPU, especially since the intel CPU retains it's own iGPU. At 3200 MHz DDR4, you're looking at ~50GB/s, shared between CPU and GPU.

[@kaiperdaens7670]

Wait so on a laptop your vram is just ram being used as vram, for example I have 12 gb ram and 6 gb vram, so that makes 6 gb ram left(if vram is full), or do I have 18 gb ram of wich 6 gb is vram?

[@ian4846]

they are separate. Unless you’re using integrated graphics

[@kaiperdaens7670]

@@ian4846 Ok, well laptops use integrated graphics right?

[@ian4846]

@@kaiperdaens7670 most do, unless we’re talking about a gaming laptop

[@kaiperdaens7670]

@@ian4846 Ok.

[@sivanesan966]

Well there is AMD Vega graphics

[@samuelislam9927]

Still pretty bad, bad>shit

[@TheAronDark]

Still Sucks Balls.

[@samuelislam9927]

@Manok AMD Ryzen 2 chips have embedded Vega graphics, but they run underclocked and share slower DDR4 RAM (compared to GDDR5) hence much slower

[@uzzi3822]

@@samuelislam9927 The top end ones (Vega 10 and 11) perform similarily to the dedicated GPU the gtx 1030 (with GDDR5, not the stupid gimped version), which is mighty impressive for a GPU that uses DDR4

[@nonameyet2205]

@@samuelislam9927 Bad for high end gaming, yes. But as an integrated graphics vega is currently the most powerful one and is perfect for e-sport gaming or HTPC

[@RobloxianX]

5 years later, and we finally have it. Strix Point Halo, the speed of an RTX 4070.

[@dondowner8264]

Spent nearly five minutes saying everything else other than "Integrated Graphics aren't as great as Dedicated Graphics because most people don't need a high-performing graphics card for their daily workload as opposed to video editors, streamers, etc, and thus helps keep the cost down for something they don't need too much resources from."

[@rwbimbie5854]

But the APUs we see are NOT focused on providing a youtube / netflix / excel screen but market themselves with the best 3d they can pull off ... which is not what is needed by the alleged Target Market of soccermoms & servers VGA used to run with LESS than ONE MB vram.. that is far less than onboard cache for most gpu these days.. VGA for APU is pennies

[@dondowner8264]

@@rwbimbie5854 I'm not sure what you're saying. Is it about the video topic or...? The title/topic of the video is to highlight why integrated graphics suck when compared (see thumbnail) to dedicated graphics. Not...whatever you're talking about.

[@rwbimbie5854]

YOU said most people dont need high end. I pointed out that the folks YOU BROUGHT UP dont need midgrade 3d as we see APUs trying to brag about. YOUR referenced low end market only need a 1998 tier gpu. So why are APUs bragging about their cutting edge abilities, if their market dont need that

[@hikari_no_yume]

There's much more to it than that, though.

[@dondowner8264]

@@hikari_no_yume There is. But techquickie is initially about explaining something in a concise manner to a general consumer audience. So it was weird that they didn't include a statement like what I posted early in the video.

[@fredericnadon6428]

Wait... so why don't they make motherboards where the GPU is on one side and the processor is on the other side? Making two separate heat chambers in the PC tower? So that cooling both chambers would be more efficient since the two hottest parts won't warm each other up? Also, does the back side of the processor (on the other side of the motherboard) get hot as well? Shouldn't we be putting coolers there too? And by putting the GPU and processor on different sides of the motherboard, would there be any advantage in terms of electromagnetic shielding from each other (i.e. not causing as much interference)? Furthermore (now let's go full inspiration with this), does a motherboard have to be just this one-sided square plate, or could it be 3 two-sided plates arranged in a triangular prism? (Thinking in a 3D world.) I've always wondered about that. I know that there is an advantage to shorter connections between internal parts, but I feel like having a "3D" mobo could help bring SOME key parts closer to each other. For now, let's not care about how a PC case would be a bit bigger and let's think only in performance gain. I am really curious what other people have to say about this. Thanks.

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Nonsense!!!! They can easily put a CPU, GPU, DDR, GDDR, SSD, and RGB on one DIE. 😁

[@faudanke4459]

include the power supply, ports and display and basically that’s a fuckin laptop by this point

[@shivamdohare8294]

0:16 "Even dropping a solid gpu" Linus shows up Coincidence?

[@imploud]

That intro was unnecessary. But kinda funny :)

[@KeiserHound]

huh when linus is in the commercial before a tech quickie.

[@litvinovy-l1q]

8 views, 13 comments, 42 likes...

[@BlindKid4]

0:16 exactly why im confused everytime console gamers call pc gaming expensive

[@akhil2024]

Well but for console s these IGPU seems working.

[@ALLEN-kf7cb]

AMD apus are good as well

[@ALLEN-kf7cb]

And also consoles suck

[@Overload151]

Consoles have dedicated graphics, their graphics proccesors are not as small as Intel's. Small graphics proccesors found on the Ryzen 2200G and 2400G, and the Nintendo Switch are really capable, but they are not match for dedicated graphics cards

[@akhil2024]

@@Overload151 Well but the one in ps4 pro and Xbox one x are still Apu"s. And they are better than any integrated cards or those dedicated Card lije (gt 730 rx250 etc)

[@Zerdical]

@@akhil2024 those are shitty cards. Anything with GT in the front fucking sucks

[@Ju13n1s2e9]

One thing worth mention : Higher temperature (because of integrated gpu) around the CPU socket - often surrounded by electrolyte capacitors, will tends to reduce lifetime of motherboard by drying out the capacitors in shorter time.

[@alteffo9594]

Endgame was pretty good

[@iblamekxgan]

0:37 time to sell my shitbox gt730

[@neon_necromunda]

Explain Hades canyon then dies can be made intel and AMD(to a lesser extent) just want more money it's greed over improvements in technology it's completely possible to stack a PCB or die with hbm2 or gddr6 as well as standard ddr4. Smartphones do a very similar thing. Biggest reasons are cost and profit damage. AMD loses, aibs lose, intel lose and Nvidia lose. They want to sell you cheap crappy graphics cards, mid tier cards and super expensive ones. They'll justify the argument of have aio integrated PCBs with both GPU and CPU on as of course then you can't mod it or just buy another one lol. I'd rather have a Hades canyon that I change every 2-3 years than a constant cycle of I need this because this stuff I currently have is now completely irrelevant.(intel here's looking at you quad core to hex core you Dick's more warning next time).if you can only afford low end stuff your never going to be completely satisfied and may as well get a console. If your high end then fk you you can afford to swap and change at leisure. If your mid tier the markets always trying to tell you your good enough BUT you wont be able to run games in a year or two at the same as now. Wheres the value in this pc gaming economy. There is none. Why the eeeffff should anyone have to pay over a grand for a fkn graphics card to play a games highest settings thats not value thats dumb.

[@agentp_gaming1149]

This episode of techquickie was brought to you by the spork!

[@0.Andi.0]

I have a intel uhd 600 and I use it for rendering on blender using luxcore and opencl

[@BaronVonQuiply]

01:43 I just got a 4090 and I'm livid over the complete lack of high performance outputs such as DVI and VGA. Sorry, kids. You're gaming in 4k tonight. Let's not have any tears like last time, you know water activates the acid.

[@davidromero4468]

Instructions unclear, downloaded more RAM.

[@fastfiddler1625]

I don't think I've ever used a spork and thought to myself: I'm glad I did this.

[@waterearthmud4116]

1:04-uh, it could be stacked and cored for better and quicker response times cause its at one with the processor and more points of contact.©

[@legoshisearl9778]

I have a weird one for you. I have a dell latitude e6410 with a built in nvidia 3100M which supposedly works well but annoyingly it does not work on windows 10. The graphics card works with windows 7 but there is no driver support on windows 10... any tips?

[@roxy3826]

The spork was a really bad idea, it sucks at both being a fork and a spoon.

[@geekacharya]

This video basically covers all the sparse reasons why companies do not attempt to combine CPUs with high performance GPUs. It is the invreased die size and increased TDP, which keeps them from combining the two. Thanks for sharing this one. Love your work. Keep up. 😁😁✌

[@wonderowl530]

RIP Kaby Lake-G, your parents will never get back together.

[@BitterCynical]

There's also the problem of power delivery. Motherboards would become very expensive in order to fit all the other parts of a GPU PCB, might even be impossible for high end GPUs on anything smaller than EATX sized boards.

[@AjaxNotFrancis]

I was mentioning this in a reply to another comment. Theres also the issue of sockets, which would undoubtedly limit the user to use specific GPUS with specific CPUS.

[@andersonklein3587]

Funny thing though, future desktop systems might become much like a SOC with 3D CPU+GPU+HBM all packed into a giant chip. This would mean bottlenecks to access memory would be gone and bandwidth would be through the roof... Not to mention power and space savings.

[@VicViperRebirth]

can budget laptops please start adding dedicated solutions again like in the geforce go era and the ati mobility days

[@bohmel]

What I learned: sometimes you can game on a spork

[@LeeBondo]

I read in a PC magazine about 12 years ago that with the advent of multicore CPUs we shouldn't need GPUs in the Future. It went on to say that Quad core CPUs or even more cores would replace the need for a Graphics card in the future. I think the magazine was printed just when the Xbox 360 was is in its infancy.