WHY DO PEOPLE HATE DARK SOULS 2?! #shorts30

[@EmberPlays]

What do you think of the tutorial in Dark Souls 2? Here’s my review of Elden Ring’s tutorial: kzbin.infokkHAx6eZl8w?feature=share

[@n8doggy733]

Dark Souls 2 is the sh*t and i still play it occasionally to this day

[@bradybannister1926]

the tutorial is worthless in DS2 youd be better off with like 5 messages on the ground telling you shit then moving on. complete waste of time for even the biggest noobs

[@kalieffoster4607]

I don't think it's confusing I just think curiosity makes people do dumb things. like I'm not inclined to go fight the giant enemy when I just started the game

[@theblackangel8059]

Which version of ds2? Regular or scholar? Regular you can go just about anywhere, scholar you need more branches to remove the petrified enemies

[@BiggityBoggity8095]

I went backwards to 2 from 3. I absolutely hated it. 3 was hard in way that still allowed it to be accessible. Specific things were hard for the sake of rewarding you for perseverance. 2 was hard for the sake of being obtuse. It was overly difficult for the fuck of it. Honestly I found it inaccessible. The timing was whack, the hit boxes were whack, the graphics were super whack, it just wasn’t as good as 3. 3 is still my favorite.

[@nicklasdahlgren2220]

All my homies love the Majula theme

[@jesushomeboi]

My brother hated it so much, sometimes I was just afk in Majula and my brother could hear it quietly in the other room sometimes, till he was so mad that he came over to turn my TV off 🤣

[@justinroux1610]

@@jesushomeboi 10 hour loop

[@Arbutusunedo]

I fuking hate it

[@benkenobi8816]

So one person?

[@SpikesSpikesSpikes]

@@benkenobi8816 "so one person?" pissy loser ignores the number of likes on the comment. Sad.

[@Krystalmyth]

Dark Souls 2 is like diving into a forgotten fairy tale in an ancient lost tome.

[@TorvaTraveler]

You are dam right

[@Syed-Faiz]

Is this game worth playing ??​@@TorvaTraveler

[@CGM_Raiden]

Factssss

[@malamanalopa2786]

I enjoyed ds2 more than any other souls :'

[@NSAhitLIST]

​@malamanalopa2786 i said the same thing until i got a little further into dark souls 2 and then realized why everyone says it's an ass game, all the bosses are the easiest I've ever fought, but the bosses aren't the problem, it's the MASSIVE areas and the fact that durability is WAY less than in any other dark souls and it gets reset by the bonfire, meaning in tougher areas you HAVE to kill the enemies so much that they stop spawning(12 or so times) in order to progress.

[@atgagarwalthegamers298]

An old lady laughing at you seems better than a random guy calling you bi*chless...

[@trequor]

Idk how FromSoft makes such funny ass NPCs without ever cracking a joke. They always spawn an arsenal of memes. 5 seconds out of the tutorial and you get called a virgin loser and told to go fight an enemy way above your level

[@Mayor_N]

I don’t think the maidenless joke will ever be funny

[@ianprescott7924]

@@Mayor_Nok

[@SatanMcLovin]

@@Mayor_NDid it hit too close to home, maidenless tarnished?

[@woopoganntnt7379]

@@Mayor_Ndamn really did hit close too home lmao gaming fans like you are so annoying and picky

[@Zao911]

Played through this game 5 or 6 times and seriously itching to play it again

[@shoya420]

Servers are back!

[@reaperraikiri6759]

Same

[@Imslowasfboi]

Me to

[@lieutenantpliskin]

​@@shoya420 they were gone?

[@gabrieldominguez8500]

@@lieutenantpliskin Only on pc

[@Elichamilion]

"Bearer of the curse..." "Seek-" "Seek-" "Lest-" (Level up)🤣🤣🤣

[@shauryagaming3146]

😂😂

[@RiniTheSilly]

Thought I was the only one who does that and finds it funny the way she tries to speak but can't 😂😂

[@shauryagaming3146]

@@RiniTheSilly 😂😂seems like everyone does it

[@96Logan]

The rhythm I preferred when I played the game was, "Bearer of the - , seek, seek, lest this land - ." I don't know what I bear. I don't know what this land will do to me. All I know is that I must seek.

[@kirpalor74]

Be.. S.. S.. Level up

[@AdemTumerkan]

I loved DS2 idk wtf anyone else is talking about Finding the “great king” Vendrick for the first time (just a lonely hollowed corpse walking in circles in a tomb) really was the most impactful point I’ve had in any souls game

[@MileyCyrusSwollenGums]

I really liked seeing Gwyn for the first time in Ds1. The great Lord of Sunlight himself who fought the Dragons and founded Anor Londo and the Silver Knights of Gwyn was nothing now but a hollowed shadow of his former self.

[@PoW3R8]

Most people who played the game liked it too but a lot of people on the internet are just brain dead bots with no own opinions on anything so what they do is just repeat whatever their favourite streamer/youtuber says. I mean look at prime example Asmongold and his chat.

[@MileyCyrusSwollenGums]

@@PoW3R8 I wasn't a big fan of the actual game Ds2 but I absolutely loved certain aspects of PvP.

[@justfun5479]

Vendrick hollow, true.

[@jinxed_slaps]

​@@PoW3R8 I just finished my first run, and really didn't like much of DS2. I loved the Ivory King DLC, but aside from that, I'd rather play other souls games than have to touch half the areas in DS2 again.

[@evanpetelle5669]

DS2 was my first. Took my D card. Took me by the hand & made me a man. A part of me still stands at the shore of Majula, Herald in sight, talking cat at my side. Waiting. Waiting for the sun. Praise the sun.

[@evanpetelle5669]

@@youtubeisforcucks lol it fuckin censored your comment I can only see it in my notifications. Can’t stand that shit

[@youtubeisforcucks]

@@evanpetelle5669 fucking youtube

[@evanpetelle5669]

@@youtubeisforcucks this one, too. Happens to me all the time. I’m not enough of a leftist for ‘em

[@khamissalhi3634]

The only thing I like about Majula is the blacksmith hammering sound.

[@UberWarrir01]

Dips meat in wine

[@mybigwillie6153]

The consensus is usually if you started on 1 then you are much less likely to enjoy 2 But if you started on 2 its your favorite

[@ContaSecundaria-nr3zs]

Hey! Never played dark souls(played bloodborne, demons souls and elden ring) which dark souls game would you recommend to start?

[@jollycooperator2876]

​@@ContaSecundaria-nr3zs I would start at 1 and go up from there. Have fun!

[@nicolasoliveira4903]

Disagree. I started in Demon Souls. Thats why i love that piece of crap. DS2 is so trash that he was able to have a wrost gameplay than the first game. How bad a game is to be wrost than first game made in 2009?

[@executioner_ecgbert884]

Apart from Bloodborne, DS2 is my favorite. It's was also my first Souls

[@executioner_ecgbert884]

​@@nicolasoliveira4903That's sounds like a you thing and not necessarily a true thing

[@korimuzel5230]

Also,Majula is sunny and calm amd warm, it's a good place to just stay in and rest after completing a lava-filled fort or a spider nest or a madmen driven prison

[@ovechkin100]

I fucking love dark souls 2. The more it ages the more i realize how good it was.

[@ies_irae1397]

It wasn’t good th- …

[@ovechkin100]

@@ies_irae1397 it really was tho. It had amazing pacing and it just feels so dsrk soulsy. My only gripes with it, are hitboxes are so unreliable, the animations and world detail. Besides that it is really great.

[@rpstephen]

Same here. This is the only souls game I come back to playthrough atleast once a year

[@Scruffy-qi3ik]

@@ies_irae1397 it’s a great game, it’s just the worst of the series. Doesn’t change that it was a good game on its own

[@melojuketv318]

​@@ovechkin100 ive replayex the game, and hitboxes arent an issue, just upgrade adaptibility.

[@Ry91415]

I quite enjoyed dark souls 2 it was the first souls game I played, I went into it not knowing anything about souls games and now I’m obsessed.

[@toastyfrog9630]

Exactly. If ds2 was the first dark souls released people would’ve treated it better cuz it’s still pretty damn good

[@juggftw4868]

@@toastyfrog9630 I think you’re probably right, the biggest problem people had is that it isn’t really dark souls, it’s very much it’s own thing that just uses dark souls mechanics. Granted there are some well justified gripes like enemy variety, enemy quantity, bosses, adp, confusing world, enemy placement, etc. but if we didn’t have such a great standard to compare it to it definitely would sit higher on many peoples lists

[@Felix-dh9tl]

Ds2 was my first dark souls too I love it, even though the movement is kind of clunky

[@lezarnoname4037]

Bro same

[@night1952]

@@toastyfrog9630 If DS2 was the first of the saga, there would be no franchise.

[@xxchocolatexx4117]

DS2 will always be a good memory to me. Loved majula the music was perfect and the view was beautiful.

[@Humblemumble7]

The main thing that separates DS2 from the other Souls games is the pace you're intended to keep. Dark Souls 2 is meant to be taken s l o w l y. Once you slow down, and give in to the experience, it's one of the most rewarding games ever made. For the most part, the game's "zones" are very open, I think that's intentional to the play style in giving you time to plan and plot your approach The droning music, the pace of the NPCs speech , and even the representation in Vendricks trudging march, the game is saying a lot without saying anything. "Hopeful apathy" might be close to the feeling The depth of this game is incredible. (I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but hopefully someone that's on the fence about DS2 might get inspired to give it another shot)

[@slothman9731]

Plus: NG+ has added content.

[@chukyuniqul]

Idk mate, playing through it again the zones seem pretty short once I'm only going through them to get to the bosses (I'm playing a caveman, so only clubs and club-likes and my naked bum and kutzpah). The rotten especially, if you know where you're going you can rush it for less.than 5 minutes. I partly blame it on the fact that I promised myself that I will be streaming my favorite game after every milestone, so...yeah.

[@Humblemumble7]

@@chukyuniqul Yeah, I can pretty much agree with that, the zones are indeed short... Although I was mainly talking about the zones being very open, as in the opposite of cramped and claustrophobic. And you have the room and space to plot out your attacks, because for the most part, you can see it coming.. Like the spiders on the ceilings of Tseldora, or the No Man's Warf, you get these vast open areas in DS2 like no other in the series. I'm aware I'm not doing a very good job of explaining my case Lol

[@chukyuniqul]

@@Humblemumble7 there's quite a bit to explore which obfuscates the initial assumed length, basically.

[@AnyxRaven]

I just for the life of me could not stand it, im a bit of a sucker for faster paced games

[@madarakim7211]

the majula theme made me drop a tear it reminded me back when I first played it was my first souls game no matter what people says about it I still love ds2 it was a great game

[@samerhaniadib4172]

Same here, ds2 wasn't just my first souls game, it was my first 3rd person rpg game, years later and many, many games later and this game still holds a very special place in my heart

[@rihanmhd786]

@@samerhaniadib4172 ok bro

[@th0mas_papill0n3]

@@samerhaniadib4172 same brotherman

[@rpstephen]

I can't help it but look back with rose tinted glasses.

[@jtjelani]

Emerald Herald and Majula theme really felt like home, like a close friend or partner amongst neighbors. DS2 was my first (so it’s obv best) and I played it through a whirlwind of depression and off-yourself-ality so while I pushed my limits and broke self-imposed boundaries, Majula was always there to welcome me back. DS2 best Souls

[@trequor]

I love that people love it. Being the worst Dark Souls game is like winning a bronze medal at the Olympics. DS2 is still one of the best there ever was. Still, playing it back to back with other FromSoft games really shines a light on how clunky and slow the combat is

[@jtjelani]

@@trequor It was a bit, for sure, but as an enjoyer of power-stancing Greatswords it clicked way better. After a while making cosplays and doing pvp I can say it’s a bit more necessary to be preemptive and use your effective range to your advantage. The PvE could definitely use some work, but PvP shines as a more fluid- if jankier- Souls experience

[@trequor]

@@jtjelani Lol and how about the first 10 hours before you get stats for powerstancing greatswords? Powerstancing is cool, but we lost the ability to organically dual wield because nothing combos with anything else anymore. My jaw dropped when I first started DS2 and realized that light attacks and heavy attacks didnt combo anymore

[@jtjelani]

@@trequor The gameplay was fine for all my characters before I solidified the builds, it all depends on how you use your kit, and from what I’ve seen the fandom appreciates powerstancing much more than DS1 dual wield, though you still can get that same feeling in Elden Ring if you equip weapons of different function.

[@trequor]

@@jtjelani That's partly because such a massive chunk of fans started with DS2. They never lost organic combos; they gained them when they moved on from DS2. Dual wielding aside, the inability to combo light and heavy attacks is borderline criminal

[@LPRweightlifting]

I actually like the torch and sconce mechanic in that game. Especially in the gutter. Turned it from a horrible area to a decent area in my opinion

[@kingjensen8091]

Hell, it actually prompted me to buy the "cast light" sorcery and gave it a really good use for me as well

[@manofculture4938]

The gutter is as you say decent. Black gulch on the other hand, fuck that place.

[@AroAceGamer]

Would be nice if the torch wasn't limited tho.

[@koldox4381]

​​@@AroAceGamer Limited? After 3 runs have more than 16 hours accumulated, so i don't see that limit anywhere.

[@AroAceGamer]

@@koldox4381 Yeah but coming from Bloodborne and other Soulsborne games with a torch, just odd that there's any sort of time limit on torches.

[@hadesobsidian5231]

Sex change coffin! Ahhh that takes me back.

[@burn_learnearn_welding7101]

I went in that thing ten times never knew what it did was so confused

[@hadesobsidian5231]

@@burn_learnearn_welding7101 Lol

[@jakeowenramos5754]

Never knew cous we always wear helmet 😂

[@SneedFeedAndSeed]

what did they mean by this

[@joseaca1010]

I climbed in, no idea what it did, checked a thread on reddit where one of the responses was "take off your armor ;)" and yup Found it so amusing i beat the game as a woman

[@Worline8628]

The Cave of Knowledge from ER really reminded me of this game! It seems like a lot of the ideas that they had for DS2 were fully realized in Elden Ring, and I love it.

[@firstswordcorvus7368]

Guessing you attacked those weird enemies at the beginning? Idk about anyone else, but as long I leave them be they don't bother me

[@dootdootington386]

It's been a while since I played, but I think they attack you if you're wandering around near them too long.

[@misterspoken2803]

Just run by and you're fine. Those kobolds don't piss with you if you don't piss with em. Just like bees. But the ones later in the game drop black knight weapon and a spell or two

[@jantomasmarik8440]

​@@dootdootington386 nah. they are passive until you hit them.

[@joevaghn457]

The only thing I hate is the stiff feeling motion. Feels like you’re submerged in goop as you move

[@greenbrickbox3392]

Yeah ADP and the shitty target lock really make the early game feel awful. Once you know how to compensate for that it gets pretty good

[@stompingpeak2043]

Yeah. It's how they made these games. The movement was still an improvement over demons and dark. We didn't get great movement until bloodborne/ds3. That's just how it is. Still awesome. Especially if you stay in the light roll speed imo

[@ToasterDsG]

The crazy part is, the weird 8 way movement they went with was a deliberate decision done in response to how movement was in DS1.

[@ambidex5383]

​@@Bstrdmn ah the elevation deviation. If jumping to something that is upwardly inclined your jump gets cut short, as it's a horizontal leap and has almost no height.

[@bictur]

@@stompingpeak2043 I don't think ds2 movement was an improvement. To me, I don't like the animation at all. But I love ds1.

[@GucciestCuzOutThere]

Majula might be my favorite home base in the souls series now that i think about it

[@alexgrigoro6475]

DS2 is the best DS2 game

[@NickKarm]

Yo thats true though

[@obviouslykaleb7998]

I disagree, DS2 is the _WORST_ DS2 game.

[@NickKarm]

@@obviouslykaleb7998 pretty controversial take there

[@obviouslykaleb7998]

@@NickKarm I'm known as something of a contrarian

[@alexgrigoro6475]

@@obviouslykaleb7998 woah woah if I wanted hot takes I wouldnt be on the internet

[@GhostWolfLP]

I adore dark souls 2 and nobody can take that from me

[@jessiescholten9119]

2 things: gank squads and world design. I can't recount how many times i've uttered the words "where tf do i go now" or "how tf is anyone supposed to find this shit out" while playing this game

[@uglyhorseteethbritsht]

Lol that's DS1, DS1 was so confusing as to where I would go next

[@davi21575]

I played dark souls 2 for 2 years,just today i dicovered the location of the "life ring+2"

[@Deoix9877]

could you elaborate? like not saying it in a negative way, just curious what parts were that you got lost. personally other than burning the windmill to get rid of the poison of Mytha's arena (which to be fair, that one was absolute bullshit to figure out on your own) I can't think of other places at the top of my head were progresion was vague

[@romany.1888]

Git Gud

[@douglascramer1501]

​@@Deoix9877 DS1 and Elden Ring are the most "Open World" out of the rest. Being able to make your own path, then being limited, is not as fun...

[@obi-wankenobi592]

2 has it’s problems, like all games. But I feel like it gets way more hate than it deserves. It’s a great game, people just compare it to the others and shame it for being different. It’s like the middle child

[@Un1234l]

DS2 gets a lot of hate because it's unfair BS. Phantom hitboxes (hitboxes not matching models). Spin a roonie tracking. Huge damage on the phantom hitboxes. The other Soulsborne games have TIGHT hitboxes accurate to the models. Allows for perfect minmaxing. DS2 phantom hitboxes are BS

[@watsonismydog6122]

⁠@@Un1234lI don’t doubt that it actually does have bs hitboxes, but i honestly never noticed any of that. The only issue I had was ADP but even then, after leveling up some it became a non issue. And before leveling ADP I actually kinda liked having to really dodge the attacks, it was a nice change of pace for me after ds1

[@Un1234l]

@@watsonismydog6122 The thing is if the game and hitboxes worked correcty, you SHOULDN'T have to level up ADP to hide the game's flaws. You're not supposed to get hit by air 2 feet away from you... And to make matters worse, the air dealt damage as if you got hit by a rocket. Full damage from enemies' attacks that you fully dodge. Game is garbage. This shit is everywhere in that game.

[@moitiende]

​@@Un1234lbro u must be playing a different version or something, the hitbox works just fine, maybe grab a shield and learn timing roll

[@Un1234l]

@@moitiende Lmao. There's a reason why DS2 is notorious for bad hitboxes. Video evidence exists everywhere

[@lucas_lipp]

Honestly, DS2 is an absolute banger, and the beginning is way less bad than it sounds. You're supposed to just walk past the beginning enemies, which normally ignore you anyway. Plus the hit you're supposed to reach is like 10 meters away. Also, the half health thing can be annoying when you start the game, but you get your full health and your equipment once you reach the hut. For me, the health was really only ever an issue for the forest of giants, since once I get to Heide's Tower, I just pick up the ring that halves the effect and then just play with 3/4 of my health through the entirety of the game, without being bothered by it.

[@fozzythasalesman6125]

Wait what? Why would u only have 3/4 or 1/2 of your health for your whole game? I haven't played DS2 yet so I don't know

[@lucas_lipp]

@@fozzythasalesman6125 Every time you die, you lose a bit of your max health. Luckily, it does stop declining at half your max health, but that still makes it incredibly easy to die way too quickly. So, you can use a human effigy to restore your max health to full, kind of like an ember in DS3, but you can always see how much you've lost/ to gain when using an effigy. Naturally, half health isn't great, nor is having to rely on limited consumables to remedy it, which is why I'm very fond of a ring you can find at the beginning of the game, which limits the health reduction to 3/4 of your max health, which isn't too bad. So I just always have the ring equipped and completely ignore the health reduction and human effigies.

[@fozzythasalesman6125]

@@lucas_lipp yo, wtttf? That's a crazy mechanic... so are you saying that using the Effigy fully resets you to max health, so each death after that only lowers your max health incrementally again? Or say, if you were at half max health before using the Effigy, and then you died, would you go straight back to half max health? And if so how common are the Effigies?

[@lucas_lipp]

@@fozzythasalesman6125 Every death is a loss of like 5%, I think. So when you use an effigy, your health resets and it takes like 10 deaths to be back at half health. Effigies are fairly common, I think I had like 40+ lying around in my inventory when I beat the game, and I didn't even do the dlc or a lot of optional bosses. So I'd they're common enough, but not so common that you can just spam them. But really, it sounds much worse than it actually is, especially if you equip the ring.

[@fozzythasalesman6125]

@@lucas_lipp oh okay word, that doesn't sound so bad. When u compared them to embers I was thinking that the effects fully reset when you died, but if each use fully resets your health and they're as common as you say (from what you described, sounds like they're roughly as common as embers in DS3) then that doesn't sound that bad. Still, sounds like kind of a pointless and annoying mechanic, I think the Souls system and just having to run back to where you died is plenty to give weight/value to dying imo

[@primordialspartan1761]

The only thing I was really irritated about the game is that the normal enemies were a bigger threat than the bosses themselves, overall it was an awesome game

[@kirkatsu2771]

bro will degrade your equipments before entering the mist

[@primordialspartan1761]

@@kirkatsu2771 fr

[@Espeon62]

The boss runs to the blue smelter demon, alonne, and the fridged outskirts were absolute hell

[@Draconamous]

Last game to have the wanderer set as well. Such a nice looking starter set.

[@ambidex5383]

Classic. Love Majula

[@GGClips]

title: "why do people hate dark souls 2" video: "this game is awesome"

[@moitiende]

Title: WHY DO PEOPLE HATE DS2?! It's a question of the author and somewhat a rhetorical one. English maybe your second language but i believe every country teaches how to differentiate between question and claim is it?

[@darthfierce4339]

@@moitiende it's just the matter of intonation. I got confused too, but then read it in different tone. No need to go hard on guy (hope I used the phrase properly, English is not my native)

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Another PRO. You aren’t forced to do the tutorial. Just walk past the fog walls and enter Majula. GG EZ.

[@johnny8363]

and there are no important items in the tutorial either, apart from the item trading nest and my boy Pursuer with his twinkling titanite

[@Daeyae]

​Johnny wait I have played through ds2 once and scholar half a dozen times And your telling me THERES ANOTHER PURSUER IN THE TUTORIAL

[@johnny8363]

@@Daeyae yes, in the tutorial area where those 2 chubby ones are, a Pursuer appears, his drop is a twinkling titanite I think

[@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife]

​@Johnny I'm speechless. I've been messing up this whole time. (Vader voice) NOOOOO

[@johnny8363]

@@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife Well, it's an area that almost nobody goes back to, unless you want to summon the invader by lighting all the torches in the area, the only reason to go back is to get the wooden spoon.

[@andreaparziale9574]

If you have patience enough, over the long term and the help of community (see wiki) this game becomes gorgeous, like all the other souls game. You have to be tough to play this game, don't all are. Those Who really understand games playng in general, knows that souls games are some of the best ineractive work of art ever created

[@autobotskyflame6287]

To be honest, 2 much more creative than 3. Two had a distinct variety while three has the same ashy overgrown environment everywhere.

[@McNibbler]

DS3’s environment was soooo drab especially after all the amazing color of DS2

[@More-Sauce-Man]

Majula just hits different man. So beautiful.

[@KrullKama]

Majula had the best OST for the main bonfire link

[@robrib2682]

That it does

[@orangeeeeeee]

True. And I'm not even a fan of DS2

[@gavinburns6994]

And don't forget the music, especially in Majula. I love DS2, one of my favourites in franchise.

[@g-magz9502]

Majula is so cozy. Easily my fav hub in the series

[@lemonthemysterious3637]

Facts, I'll admit ds2 had a few issues but it's easily one of my favorites

[@lrick4187]

Is highly underrated, the majula theme alone is one of the best soundtracks of the souls series

[@yameshraberts3652]

awesome game. some of the best DLC's ever

[@Humblemumble7]

Absolutely

[@thefarmer6541]

I think it was the weakest dlcs

[@jeremysims91]

Better than Ringed City or Old Hunters?

[@will6117]

One of the DLC f*cked me up real good I almost smashed the controller, nevertheless the satisfying feelin' was worth it

[@TyronTention]

@@jeremysims91 No, imo.

[@s1m4s999]

Me and my homies hearing the majula theme:

[@kennethgrey7829]

DS1, 2, and 3 are all masterpieces. I know people hate on one out of three but they work soo well together

[@tropicturtle9021]

2 is definitely not a masterpiece. It has its pros, and there is plenty of stuff it does right, but there is just SO MUCH it does wrong. The horrible enemy placement, lackluster level design, incredibly underwhelming bosses, awful looking animations… I still ultimately think I like this game, but you can really feel how unfinished it is with its turbulent development.

[@kennethgrey7829]

@@tropicturtle9021 Yeah, not as good as the other two games, but still a masterpiece in the end. Once you got past the hitboxes and areas it didn't have much holding it back. In the visuals and story it was a masterpiece. But controls and mechanics, not so much.

[@moitiende]

definitely 3, it just feels nothing after finishing it, feels like fromsoft just smashing money into their favourite child and force him to be a youtuber

[@ragenaros4475]

You start with nothing for like 10 seconds, ur hp is half for 10 seconds, enemies chasing you only if you hit them, they are passive.

[@spiralmountain5]

I don’t know why he felt the need to misinform 3 separate times but that’s on par with Shorts content.

[@cincameron]

Dark souls 2 has a very strange vibe that draws me to it from the start. The entire game keeps giving a sense of meloncholy, but it has moments of joy when you rescue npcs, beat bosses, and keep returning to Majula to see it turn into an actual neighborhood lol

[@oneofthem6124]

they're not enemies, they don't attack you if you didn't attack first

[@NetJetMichael-A.H.1449]

I think that might be purposely a joke

[@oneofthem6124]

@@NetJetMichael-A.H.1449 they realy don't attack you if you don't attack them, they just follow you around

[@NetJetMichael-A.H.1449]

@@oneofthem6124 Oh I know that part no I'm just saying I think the creator of the video intention with that part is a joke.

[@schmietwechdeschiet4340]

​@@NetJetMichael-A.H.1449 no. they really dont attack you tho

[@NetJetMichael-A.H.1449]

@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 I know they don't attack you I'm saying the Creator purposely provoke them for a joke, like he's just teasing about that part unless he actually believes that's actually true then that would be a absolute shock.

[@DarthInsomnis]

Just finished 2 and I really like it. 1 is still my favorite so far but 2 wasn’t bad at all.

[@King_andu]

Dark souls 2 has the best dark fantasy atmosphere 💪

[@jotto3251]

One word. Adaptability.

[@Mamaaax]

Two words: skill issue

[@purvdragon-sensei]

This DESTROYS any argument to be had about Dark Souls 2. Wanna really bury Dark Souls 2? Soul Memory. BAM! Six feet under the ground.

[@stinkfinga4918]

​@@purvdragon-sensei stop playing twink builds and soul memory magically doesn't matter anymore.

[@DARK-dw2gm]

​@@purvdragon-sensei ironically thats the reason unlike other souls the pvp isnt flaming dogshit

[@purvdragon-sensei]

@@DARK-dw2gm Yeah, good fucking job, it’s also the most boring one to play in, everyone’s running the same shit or just outright cheating. There’s no imbalance or stakes. Bravo.

[@aNsWeRkEy02]

at least ng+ in this game added more enemy variety instead of just +rings or nothing new like in elden ring

[@octaviush22]

Finally someone said it

[@TyronTention]

I mean, Elden Ring is a far longer game. I’m not surprised they didn’t add anything new. +rings I can agree with.

[@hello93617]

You can kill the "hippos" early by luring them up onto the bridge. If you rol lat the right time, they try to hit you and cam stumble off the edge.

[@madlad29]

It's personally my favorite of the 3 but I can understand why people don't like it with all the traps and enemies throughout the entire game. That said, it was the first Souls game I ever beat and thoroughly prepared me for all of the other Soulsbornekiroring games lol

[@ggodd1080]

I can go down a list but one of my main problems with this game is just the overall feel when you're playing the game as in like your character and the hitboxes are atrocious

[@johnny8363]

With low ADP the game is very annoying, few frames of invincibility and the fact that the character tastes every drop of Estus Flask can get in the way, eventually it ceases to be a problem fortunately

[@themarushin]

Agility is a very important stat. Once you rise above 95 is gg

[@ggodd1080]

@@themarushin The animations hitboxes and the overall constricting feel of the movement is my problem with the game. Leveling agility does nothing to help that. I have over 800 hours and have completed The main game plus the DLCs and this is by far the worst dark souls

[@purvdragon-sensei]

Good point, it legit feels like ass to play. All these ass lickers never mention this part, NO OTHER SOULS GAME PLAYS LIKE THIS. It’s so sluggy, the character walks like he’s got diapers on knees, his feet drags along the ground, the rolling is so mushy, you LITERALLY can’t go around in a circle, the character moves in a fucking square, the way he moves during lock on is just, EUGH, good GOD this game plays feels fucking gross to play.

[@ggodd1080]

@@purvdragon-sensei you explained it way better than I did

[@programofuse8731]

the tutorial helps show what the game is like. It'll show you a lot that you can access later, giving you a reason to go back to places a lot for hidden trinkets. It has a lot of hidden goodies and enemies like the ogre, nudging you into exploring everywhere as much as you can. And has things like the torches spawning a secret enemy, showing how many mechanics are very unique and require a lot of thinking outside the box to find the solution for (kind of like literally knocking on a door so someone unlocks it for you).

[@alduinfr]

i don't know if you're joking or not because the tutorial literally doesn't have any useful items. it's just a waste of fragrant branch of yore if you come back and unpetrify the hollow if you play sotfs.

[@agustinmora7860]

​@@alduinfrestus flask, the pursuer, fragants are not weird items to come by, etc

[@kozmo7]

I’m a massive souls fan, I was there from the start. 2, I appreciate 2. I just can’t help it felt off to me. Maybe it’s the combat sound design? Enemy hit reactions? I can’t put my finger on it, it just felt different in a way to me that no other Souls game did. I think it’s fascinating and I truly want to give it more chances. I just can’t seem to put into words what it is about the feel of the combat that sits weird with me. 😊

[@AppleOfThineEye]

If you want to see a good breakdown on the flaws of the game, there's this MauLer guy who did a series on what's wrong with the game. It's long but very deep.

[@kozmo7]

@@AppleOfThineEye oh awesome! I’m checking this out now, thanks a bunch!

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@kozmo7 You're welcome! He's a fantastic reviewer. Hope you enjoy his stuff!

[@kozmo7]

@@AppleOfThineEye I was not ready for the amount of breakdown he was giving with his rebuttal haha. Personally, I don’t really care what the H Bonner guy even had to say in the first place so watching this extensive of a breakdown is a bit rough but I’ll keep pushing forward as he does seem like a thoughtful dude and he is pointing out a lot of stupid shit the H bomb guy said which made no sense to begin with. His contradictory statements. That is. What do you think about this rebuttal?

[@travisharper3239]

I never hated ds 2 but my problem with is was the main combat speed. After dark souls and getting used to it I felt that the weapons and movement were smooth but delayed. But I did enjoy it after getting used to it

[@Dr.ACHE313]

Bro if you played it on pc you should know that it has a bug wich make your moves delay

[@MrSlaughterrific]

Ds2 was unforgiving to baby hosts. That's why

[@whawhawhawhaaaa]

DS2 is my favorite Souls game. Yeah. Something about it just hits different and I fucking love it.

[@francisnavarro2720]

Without a doubt, one of the Dark Souls game of all time.

[@cosmopx1855]

Yes, it is a good dark souls, ds3 isn't a good dark souls, it's a good game

[@swaggaming69420]

​@@cosmopx1855every boss combined from ds2 cant hold a candle to even the deacons of the deep

[@skinless5136]

@@cosmopx1855 dark souls 3 is a good contender for best game ever made imo

[@andryuu_2000]

​@@swaggaming69420 flashy and spectacular doesn't mean better

[@plasmak47]

​@@skinless5136cap it got some of the biggest issue and the most boring map ever is a straight boring line and myazaki fan boys alweys preys ds3 without admit it have problems loll

[@t.h.mcelroy6597]

Underrated and timeless 💛

[@orald900]

It's not about people hating DS2 , it's about people hating on DS2 and admiring DS3 💀

[@JustKelso1993]

Cause DS3 wasn't garbage

[@orald900]

@@JustKelso1993 ever played ds2 ?

[@epickillian]

Nothing really wrong with DS3, I'm confused as to what you mean brother

[@JustKelso1993]

@@orald900 Unfortunately I have.

[@pendetv7256]

Well ds2 is absolute dogshit and ds3 it's fromsoft greatest work on pair with bloodborne and sekiro.

[@HAZYPANCAKES]

DS2 did the best job of variety of items, I’d also say it has pretty good Dark Drip, and I also think it has some of the best (and worst) areas in the souls series

[@joshuaharris8349]

The hitboxes, boss run backs, needing adp to get better rolls and faster health reign when healing. That’s why

[@IlluminatedUser]

DS2 was my first Souls game and my most memorable in some ways I never understood how people could diss on it, it’s literally what got me into the series

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

The main reason people hate Dark Souls 2 is that it lacks some of the polish the other games. That's because it was made on a shorter time frame with a less experienced director, and also because the first director was fired because he wanted to do something completely different than Dark Souls. They had to patch together what they had and then try to make it work as well as they could. But putting the Miyazaki stans aside, the game is unique and interesting and has more characters that you will slowly get attached to as Majula's population grows. The one thing it really lacks is Patches.

[@unfortunateimperial6019]

I mean, personally for me, one mechanic was what made me dislike the game. That being the reduction of your max health. A core mechanic of Dark Souls comes down to dying, it's inevitable that you will die, over and over again. We already recieved a punishment in the form of lost souls originally, when you then strip away max health, it's laying another layer when it's really not necessary. Still love the souls series, but I'm not the biggest fan of DS2 as a result.

[@Yuz303]

​@@unfortunateimperial6019 but that is also present in ds 3, if you die, you lose hp

[@andersanders47]

DS2 hate is usually a mere skill issue

[@brodaline2124]

The worst hit boxes I’ve seen in games

[@iamnotthatguy7166]

they can be some of the most generous in the trilogy if you sacrifice 10 levels into ADP

[@Trisaaru]

Sounds like somebody didn't level adaptability

[@brodaline2124]

@@Trisaaru the fact that you have to waste around 30 levels just to get the same dodge frames as ds1 is garbage also doesn’t change that hitboxes don’t match the attacks

[@Trisaaru]

@@brodaline2124 You don't need to waste 30 levels to get a good roll. Although the fact that something as important as dodge roll s is tied to a stat is a bit stupid, you earn so many souls in DS2 so it's not the worst thing in the world. It would be way worse if you earned the same amount of souls you do in DS1, for example.

[@brodaline2124]

@@Trisaaru i said you need that much to match ds1 I frames and it’s a bad decision to make an almost necessary stat like that waste any levels

[@kamikaze4172]

Best Souls 2, for the sake of having a talking cat

[@HollowHighlander]

So does Dark Souls 1

[@benjaminweaver8760]

Started ds2 this week. So far I've enjoyed it so much more than ds1 ngl. I understand boss runs are annoying and some bosses are underwhelming in ds2 but i think it just feels better to play than ds1 maybe because its less clunky idk...

[@carrops]

I think this is one of those situations where it became popular to hate on the game at the time and now people carry that torch without ever really giving it a chance themselves

[@marioplumber3378]

it doesn't deserve a chance

[@carrops]

@@marioplumber3378 neither does your movie

[@andryuu_2000]

​@@marioplumber3378 it's a better game than ds3

[@marioplumber3378]

@@andryuu_2000 I'm sorry that you have COVID-19

[@andryuu_2000]

@@marioplumber3378 I'm sorry that you have spoiled weeb shit taste

[@mjsgreatsword2005]

man it is actually kind of useful because once you lit all the torches in the area a phantom will spawn and if you kill it you get a free human effigy

[@blakepuntervold3165]

I felt a lot more lost in that one than the others and it was generally harder in my opinion. It was a lot slower than the first or third and had a lot more, specific mechanics. It wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't my favorite

[@Daniel_deez_nutz]

It had a lot of random BS things you had to Google which i didn't like. For example, the poisoned area with the medusa boss. You have to light a random windmill thing and then it is easy.

[@johnny8363]

The first time I played DS2 I had the same feeling, I didn't even have enough brains to beat the pursuer But now, I've played this game so much and become so familiar with the mechanics that it's become my favorite game in the series.

[@looksfineforme9471]

Honestly the thing I dislike the most about DS2 are the jank controls and probably mob placements in certain areas (I'm looking at you iron keep with 12 mobs in every square)

[@andryuu_2000]

True, still a good game tho

[@-cams.]

Other than seriously problematic technical/design aspects, I really love DS2.

[@senuhet13]

People hate DS2 because it feels like you're moving underwater compared to other fromsoftgames

[@Thedudeman8282]

I call bullshit on that statement every time I see it. If you think that ds2 movement is worse than ds1, then you're just fanboying hard. It's leagues better than the original.

[@senuhet13]

@@Thedudeman8282 you can say whatever you want im giving you one reason why people don't like it. Compared to its closest cousins DeS and DS,bloodborne changed movement for DS3 and Elden Ring, it feels completely different. If you Started with DS2 maybe it doesn't feel that way for you and that's fine. It has a myriad of other issues, but also introduced things that were carried forward-having to find more flasks the equipment menu style and using multiple souls at once. Just because you love the game doesn't mean other people can't have reasons for disliking it. I liked my first playthrough of it, but every time I go back to DS2 I find the experience miserable because of the character movement. I'm sorry people hate your game, but if you keep hearing these criticisms of your a game you love then denial is not going to convince anyone other than yourself

[@Thedudeman8282]

@@senuhet13 I never said people can't dislike it, I pointed out that your one complaint was wrong, which it still is.

[@felipeguedescampos851]

​@@Thedudeman8282 the thing is that a lot of the animation are slower, and the recovery times of every attack takes too long, at least for me

[@greenbrickbox3392]

@@Thedudeman8282 no he has a point, animations take longer to do until you level to get agility up (then its still takes longer but isn't an issue since you relatively speaking become faster compared to the slow DS2 enemies) and the target lock is worse when doing melee attacks while moving since attacks go in direction of travel rather than the targeted enemy.

[@lordskeletor7585]

Shrine of Amana and how you have to either bust your ass off to get total completion by either going through CBT amounts of pain grinding invasions or go to ng++, which means you’ll have to go through Shrine of Amana three times, as if one time wasn’t enough

[@brettkruskie]

Dark souls 2 is underrated.

[@TheInstinctWithinV2]

Yes. But the problem with how open Majula is is that when I have to guide people who say "Where do I go from here" it's like that scene from SpongeBob where he's trying to tell Patrick to place his hand in the lid of the jar.

[@brokenzealot7261]

No joke my favourite dark souls game

[@WC-ip6tt]

Honestly, same

[@MediHusky]

When you move in DS2 it feels like they designed it for mobile. Just gets under my skin like that scarab from the mummy.

[@carrops]

The first time i played it and felt that i didn't like it but later on i actually kinda liked it, it has it's own charm and it makes ds2 feel different from the other 2 souls games

[@andryuu_2000]

It's just slower and more tactical. It still has the best pvp.

[@gomolle4560]

when you get to majula: step 1: hear the song. step 2: go to the bonfire step 3: get estus step 4: go to the boss that i forgot the name step 5: kill him by making him fall off the platform. step 6: use bonfire step 7: go to majula and remember how good the song is. step 8: upgrade your stats step 9: go to the cave on the left of the entrance. step 10: get the axe or the big bolt if you are magic. step 11: kill the giant boss. step 12: go to majula and hear the beautiful song. step 13: up your stats. step 14: go down the hole. step 15: run pass everything until you get to the flesh boss. step 16: get the soul to help you step 17: while he focus on the soul you summoned kill the boss. step 17.9: if the soul dies dont panic bc the boss is easy. step 18: go to majula and hear the song. step 19: up your stats. step 20: kill the pursuer with the ballista. step 20.9: kill the other pursuer to get the ring if you are good. if we get 100 likes im making the steps till you end the game.

[@mrsosa3]

Classic.

[@atlasxsanity]

DS2 gets a lot of flack for good reasons it’s not very well put together. Old review by Matthew is a quick video that highlights flaws. If u can stand a much longer series of videos mauler made a great series called in defense of dark souls

[@andryuu_2000]

Does not make the game bad

[@purvdragon-sensei]

@@andryuu_2000 Yeah, it makes it dogshit.

[@adrianrichards26]

Ds2 was like my companion in a very hard time in my life. Not to get too deep but my grandfather had passed away shortly after Ds2 came out. I would sip whiskey and play ds2 and help others beat the ivory king. It was like a therapy for me as crazy as that sounds. Helping others helped me, and majula theme will ALWAYS give me that comforting nostalgic feeling. Great times guys great times!

[@fin3662]

Dark souls 2 was never bad, people just jumped on a bandwagon

[@broccolin]

Stop assuming everyone jumped on a bandwagon, the game is just dogshit.

[@fin3662]

@@broccolin - someone whos never even played it

[@broccolin]

@@fin3662 Unfortunately, I have played the game.

[@fin3662]

@@broccolin well im glad you were able to enjoy the incredible game of ds2 with all of us

[@Thouxanbanquincy]

The games too clunky and level design is mid

[@Da_Sire]

The tutorial is just not as memorable and good as ds1 or ds3 for example, as it doesnt even have a boss or more memorable parts.

[@Yoshyguy21]

I thought the area itself was cooler looking. Asylum Demon is pretty eh and, even though Iudex Gundyr is great, the area itself is pretty forgettable. Plus, you get to go back to the starting area in DS2 to unlock more stuff.

[@AxtonTheObstagoon]

@@Yoshyguy21 i feel like that last point still applies to DS1 and DS3, the latter only counting if you count the outside area of Firelink Shrine, but yeah, i agree: you don't need a good intro boss, or any for that matter, for a good intro area

[@necr0n17]

In general, the tutorial in DS2 continues until a meeting with a pursuer, the victory over which makes a real fighter out of a beginner.

[@swiftyy5354]

The brightness in majula blinded me the first time

[@mrbubblestea]

Dark Souls 2 is, in fact, one of the games of all time.

[@cmoney163]

Because they can’t get good, simple

[@AxtonTheObstagoon]

plus the achievement you get for your first death is definitely silly in a good way. you had your first death? here's this achievement called "Welcome to Dark Souls" because you better get used to this

[@rd192hacks3]

Or because it’s shjt 😂

[@necr0n17]

@@rd192hacks3 DS2 is a great game. Many people look at the cover and immediately throw the game in the trash instead of understanding the local interesting mechanics.

[@rd192hacks3]

@@necr0n17 as a souls game it’s literal hot trash and just throw’s everything out the window

[@necr0n17]

@@rd192hacks3 it's not the DS2 that's bad, it's the other parts that are too good.

[@tator7722]

-Shit Hit-Boxes -Health Penalty upon Death -Adaptability stat -Horrible Runbacks -No tutorial bosses -Enemy Spam -Very fragile weapons -Cheese-Deserving bosses -Is not beginner-friendly -annoyingly gank bosses -NOT directed by Miyazaki Yeah I wonder why people hate this game.

[@darthdump5440]

I genuinely don’t understand how so many people enjoy this game so much. It’s poorly designed at best really. The areas are just enemy spam most of the the time, and I find that they’re often unintuitive and kind of boring. Not to mention the general feeling of jank, clunkiness, and lack of polish. The hitboxes are bad more often than they are good, the rolls feel slow and sluggish not even talking about ADP (That’s a whole different can of worms) and the weapons do too. The bosses are honestly just bad on the whole, with few exceptions, and often times a good boss is absolutely obliterated in terms of fun by those awful runbacks (Sir Alonne). It just feels like a vastly inferior experience when compared to the rest of the franchise. Almost everything in the game is done better somewhere else in another souls game. The fashion and power stancing are cool, but that is where my praise ends. To each there own and all, but lord, I just don’t get it.

[@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398]

Thank you! Nobody else wants to talk about all the technical issues.

[@jeambeam3173]

I'm glad that Elden Ring added the whole special keys for fog walls while making it not annoying AF. In DS2 the keys were waay too limited and it really screws you over

[@DrunkedOwly]

Yeah, most of the time I got enough stone keys, also, being open world helps because you're less likely to found every single keyhole

[@TheArnoldification]

specifically softs screwed over fragrant branch economy. In original ds2 it made a lot more sense and was mostly relegated to areas/things not tied to progression (in a lot of ways softs was a downgrade actually)

[@andryuu_2000]

Elden Ring is Ds2 2

[@jeambeam3173]

@@andryuu_2000 in all the best ways tho with a splash of Bloodborne

[@joebidenissus1975]

Ds2 is one of the games of all time

[@NiggletFarm]

Definitely one of the games ever made

[@SolonarTM]

DS2 is better than elden ring and pushes the souls format more than any other entry by From Software. Critics dunked on DS2 for having a handful of bad boss fights then elden ring has much more reused and god awful boss fights. Pumpkinheads, Statues, Godskin Apostles just to name a few of the extremely overused bosses in elden ring

[@andryuu_2000]

Better than Elden Ring dunno, Elden Ring takes a lot from DS2

[@andryuu_2000]

@Kari Legion not only that but a lot of other things were kept in elden ring from ds2

[@LowDeeHum]

DS2 is deservedly criticized for its lack of quality, but I find it a lot more agreeable to play than Elden Ring. DS2 feels like an experiment gone wrong but it was still based on the solid foundation that was DS1, and while Elden Ring is much more polished of a game it takes the worst gameplay elements of the previous games and becomes an utter chore by the end.

[@andryuu_2000]

@@LowDeeHum what do you mean by lacks quality

[@LowDeeHum]

@@andryuu_2000 While I do enjoy it still, DS2 is a poorly crafted game, whether by intention or lack of time to finish it. Hitboxes, AI, encounters and enemy design, the world and exploration, the PVP, the RPG mechanics, almost every element of the game has issues that can very easily detract from the experience. It's difficult to describe in detail in just a comment, but if you don't mind longer-form content Matthewmatosis and Mauler have very good videos examining the game in-depth.

[@Bobbie_Lee84]

To be honest, DS2 SOTFS is my very first souls experience, have a special place in my heart...

[@yourhappy5343]

My favorite part of DS2 was the uninstall button

[@jasv5214]

Teaches you how to fight, makes you experiment with shortcuts, and even shows you the environment interaction with the sconces. It instantly opens your mind from the Ds1 kill and advance exploration

[@VentusOath]

There are just 4 reasons why someone like ds2: 1. Was your first soulslike 2. You love pvp 3. You love NG+ 4. You have cognitive dissonance

[@kindergrinder3920]

It could also be: 1. it has colors, unlike other games in the series 2. stamina management actually matters 3. it is a role playing game instead of roll-to-next-bonfire simulator 4. it's the most open Souls game, if you don't count ER 5. 30k Soul Memory run is fun

[@namelessking9257]

I've beaten DS 1 - 1 time, DS 2 - 15 times, DS 3 - 2 times. I think it's obvious which part I enjoyed the most

[@JustKelso1993]

Trash taste lol

[@cathedral1375]

Dark souls 2 was my fav for the longest- loved the pursuer.