Why Do Watch Collectors Keep Ignoring These Brands?

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[@augustogonzales001]

Rado, baume &M, Junghans, Maurice Lacroix, meistersinger, nomos. Some of my favorite. Anyway im poor, i just got a g-shock.

[@morgan97475]

I'm poorer....I have a sun-dial.

[@robinkroygeorge9435]

God tier watch

[@SoftCrunch917]

Wearing a Maurice Lacroix Aikon Automatic 39mm blue dial right now, and I couldn't agree more. I think B&M and ML, possibly Junghans also, fly under the radar due to them making quartz variants of the watches as well. Tissot also does this, and it unfortunately keeps the brand perception at a lower level :/

[@cdb5001]

@@robinkroygeorge9435 original comment.

[@santorini8423]

@@SoftCrunch917 ML are bringing out a Aikon Master Grand Date in October I think, it’s a stunner , not cheap tho

[@JamesandRibble]

Certina deserves more love

[@mannyfernandez1713]

They deserve A LOT more love, my only complaint is the lack of no-date offers, but apart from it, they’re maybe THE best value-for money on the market

[@jrgdrumsandwatches]

My favorite brand ever 😁

[@sarsiemanuel9229]

Yes! Very solid value. I have a dozen Certinas and I love them all. Affordable but looks more expensive than their price

[@kristiangustafson4130]

@@sarsiemanuel9229 agree. My DS-1 day-date...my kids rate it as my "most expensive looking" watch, sitting beside my Oris & my Muhle Glashutte, etc.

[@philspencelayh5464]

I would agree but I dont have one......yet.

[@JasonTheWatchGuy]

Couldn't agree more with Mido, they offer amazing pieces with brilliant movements for a brilliant price.

[@pauldelarzac615]

Just wish they weren’t 44mm.

[@marcelovasconcellos6067]

I have an almost 50 year old Mido. Since I got it from my grandfather 20 years ago, never had a service. The date function is not working, the gold plating has worn off in a lot of places mainly at the "creases", gains about a minute a day, but hey, it still works. Great little watch and a memory of grandpa everytime I put it on.

[@nothingtobeconcernedabout7477]

FC is underrated and they offer a perpetual calendar for under 10k (Euros). I also really love their world timer design

[@burgerslayer83]

Breguet is highly underrated, high homology, every complication you can think of, and patek level finishing, yet selling for less than half on the used market.

[@kaunas888]

Brequet is one of the great historical watch brands; far older than Patek.

[@shey5501]

@@zebra8961 nsow?

[@dredgewalker]

@@zebra8961 So? Some collectors collect watches because they good design, have history and an interesting movement. If you buy watches only because they are investments then you're not a watch lover. There are so many affordable pieces that are worthy of anyone's wrist who loves watches. Only mindless sheep follow trends.

[@AdamRJ01]

@@zebra8961 nonsense

[@cjc4765]

Breguet was a genius. He invented the tourbillon movement. Beautiful blue hands, gorgeous watches.

[@edteach3r]

Two thumbs up for Damasko. I don’t know how they are so affordable in North Amercica when they are more expensive than Sinn in Germany.

[@thomasa.243]

@Angel d Teran Nomos makes their own movements from top to bottom but other than that and the very high end brands, yeah, not much in terms of German made movements. There were a lot of good German made movements up until the late 80s (made in GDR) but their main selling point was "good quality for cheap price" and this was killed in the 90s by very cheap and accurate Quartz movements.

[@GS_Lexus]

Fortis is probably my favorite. Super long history, achievements, family owned, awesome designs and quality. Usually completely dead forums and very little discussion on them, when compared to a similar company like Oris.

[@wblackburn0316]

Mido was the first brand I thought of. Fun fact: Only behind Breitling, Omega, and Rolex in “chronometer certified” grade pieces.

[@rob45x]

Loving Mido. One of the most underrated watches.

[@davidsks159]

All the german watch who comes from glasutte are incredible. Like lange, nomos .... 😍

[@DickTruth]

Completely agree. Lot of German pieces catch my eye more than Swiss ones.

[@bazzatheking3155]

I just bought a glashutte senator, beautiful elegant watch

[@mikefortney7879]

I would add Marathon. Super heavy duty tool watch, good movement, tritium lume that I can actually read at 3:45 am , true dive watch specs, a great timing bezel that actually works and turns with slick hands, drilled lugs etc. and comparatively cheap.

[@IRK-pd7lc]

I always thought Marathon were Canadian.

[@mikefortney7879]

@@IRK-pd7lc it is a Canadian based company , but their watches are made in Switzerland.

[@tomo9224]

I have a Damasko DA44 and it's my daily. Looks as good as the day I got it. The value you get for the offering blows my mind.

[@hermantokusuma4903]

I have owned a Frederique Constant with moon phase function and a Mido Daytodate Commander. They are very fine watches. I am not regret to put them in my watch collection. I thank you to promote these two brands. I appreciated your positive review to the brands. They are entitle to be promoted to collectors.

[@johnfrei9057]

That opening rant almost broke my earbuds.

[@diegobittar7425]

Rado! Long before Hublot and Richard Mille Rado was an innovator with new materials as ceramic and synthetic design

[@slicksebring]

Completely agree on Rado. Bought a Captain Cook last year and am very impressed with the quality and accuracy. Plus, it’s just beautiful. Looking at a Golden Horse for the next purchase.

[@campshay19]

Orient Star like Grand Seiko is a higher end version of orient that I feel doesn't get any credit

[@princeofpenangisland]

I have an Orient Star, yes it is a higher version of Orient, more like Presage version of Seiko.

[@balesjo]

@@princeofpenangisland I was wanting and Orient Star but it seems like all the ones I want are sold out everywhere I look. I have one Presage watch that I absolutely love for the beautiful dial (the Presage 'Negroni' cocktail watch, a real attention-getter when light plays across it).

[@princeofpenangisland]

@@balesjo i love the green dial, its beautiful.

[@aCrowsfeet]

Great list....would definitely add a STOWA Flieger Klassik 40 to this list... Great heritage, competitive pricing, good value retention, great workmanship, and a plethora of configurations & customization options to choose from. There are even some interesting piece unique options for those looking for some level of exclusivity.

[@snakesanders8853]

Citizen also have some flagship-type models like Eco Drive One and Chronomaster. And sub brand Campanola - it's deserves attention imo.

[@poulwinther]

But rarely under 44mm.

[@ericfreutel8240]

Citizen has amazing watches🥳

[@bobgabel6497]

No one talks about Raymond Weil and I don't know but there is probably a good reason. But. Out of all my watches my favorite is my Raymond Weil 9034 is by far. I bought it in 1985 on a whim. When I walked in the store I had no idea I was going to walk out with a watch. It was a time of big change in my life and to this day when I wear it, just like the first day I bought it I cant stop staring at it. When I wear it it takes me back to a wonderful time.

[@GOLF4METOO]

Besides being so informative on your videos you are also so entertaining and I thank you for that....keep it up..

[@hobowithashotgun48]

The silicone monolithic design is a really cool innovation in mechanical watchmaking (technically Zenith did it first, but never in a significant production run, and at a ludicrous price), but the specific design of the watch face doesn't really do it for me. If they put that mechanism into a dive or a field watch, I'll be all over that!

[@johanvandersandt8904]

Citizen is also pretty solid but people don't really view them as a serious watchmaker.

[@johanvandersandt8904]

@Joao Vaz Whahahahaha how am i only seeing this typo now???? Thanks man.

[@jesusvaldovinos8950]

Dude I love your content! Came on your page through a g shock review and I love your content even if I’m not a watch guy or collector currently I just love your whole vibe! Funny but educational I dig it man haha I’d love to see you review the Orient sun and moon that you’ve mentioned before on one of your affordable watch videos! I wanted to get a nice dress watch and that’s in the price range I can look up other peoples reviews but I like yours the best!

[@patpatterson6073]

Always good stuff you share with us thanks!

[@lukebanfield6433]

Cool vid and great list Jory. GO watches are simply stunning. Saving for a Panoreserve for next milestone birthday. Keep up the great content 👍

[@cartoonpete407]

Thanks for reminding us about Mido, a long-forgotten brand, Jory! And I'm only just discovering from here that they do offer great value for the buck! Wasn't aware of their new range of watches... Awesome!

[@lexan2002]

Thanks for these videos, I'm new to appreciating watch designs and these are super amazing makers :)

[@kevink8321]

Kudos for bringing this topic up. There are so many worthy brands, offering big-boy quality at fraction of price, being ignored. I concur wholeheartedly Mido and would add Titoni, Rado and Certina to the list and I'm sure that I forget much much more than I can recall. Enjoyed your show very much.

[@1018Frankie]

Swatch group doesn’t pay attention to the lesser known brands that they got, as you mentioned Glashütte Original, Mido and Certina to mention a few are amazing watches and the price you pay for the amount of watch is incredible. Talking about Mido they launched at the end of 2020 the Mido Ocean Star GMT, a true GMT movement with 80 hours power reserve for under $1200, that is amazing. I’m a huge fan of your channel, greetings from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷

[@adamstelmaski9948]

Certina is very popular in Poland. They have the same presence, as Tissot, Citizen or many fashion brands. Maybe their focus is just on less developed countries than US.

[@JamesandRibble]

That Ocean Star GMT is fabulous. Particularly in blue.

[@1018Frankie]

@@JamesandRibble That’s the one I got and it’s an amazing watch!

[@georgefa]

Can we talk about Certina? Not sure is it's an uncommon watchmaker but I wanna mention the Certina DS Action Day-Date C032.430.16.051.00. It's like buying an Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra for a fraction of the price... Beautiful watch, great quality, and great movement.

[@aaronmichael1022]

Maurice LaCroix Masterpiece watches definitely fall into the underrated category as well. I have a flyback annuaire that I picked up after grad school and it's fantastic. They're definitely a couple levels above the entry level offerings from the brand.

[@ThePlaiibox]

Got myself the new certina ds action 38mm and then bought 2 more certinas. Such an underrated brand!

[@michaelm8709]

Another great video. I have overlooked Mido and a few of the others you mentioned. Muhle is another awesome German brand that makes great watches. Thanks Jory

[@daz12345daz]

Great episode and lovely watches. I think Davosa is a hugely underrated brand. If you ignore their submariner homage the rest of their range are nicely designed, some are even pretty unique such as the Trailmaster, Argonautic, Newton Speedometer, and Apnea. Great prices for some quality workmanship and rock solid movements.

[@jdoggdalocsta700]

I'm glad you made this video. I own a Mido commander II chronograph and I love that watch. Very underrated brand.

[@dahill0780]

Yeah Glashutte Original deserves more attention; although I know they are getting popular. The F.C movement is insane! It might be one of the options like Spring Drive, Automatic, Mechanical, Quartz. Damasko sounds like a big deal. Mido doesn't get enough love.

[@Xoan-Diaz]

Frederique Constant monolithic movement is awesome. I just wish they put it into a watch whose design was more contemporary, and with a more affordable price.

[@FS-zn9xe]

If FC put the new movement in their Highline model, that would be my grail watch!

[@garyboyle695]

More affordable! Seriously, if it was Rolex you would be wetting your pants and chucking £10/20k at it.

[@Xoan-Diaz]

@@garyboyle695 FC sells COSC certified models for less than half of the price of this watch. So, yes, I'd like to see this movement in a more affordable timepiece. Do I need your permission?

[@topis6987]

Teddy B just made a Glashütte video and now Jorey published a piece mentioning them first in the video. Glashütte just had their annual marketing budget approved? Well, this vid all in all is a well executed promo video.

[@santorini8423]

Great watches tho

[@trwilliams22]

Federico will release a video shitting all over them tomorrow.

[@smittysmitty481]

I agree with almost every brand you mentioned here. Very entertaining video Jory!

[@melspinella30]

Great topic Jory - so many great brands that get lost in the overwhelming focus on so very few...I agree with those who mentioned Swatch's other red-headed stepchild Certina. Fantastic vintage references such as the Argonaut Chrono and some gorgeous modern issues like the DS PH200M Powermatic 80 Ref. C036.407.11.050.01 (approx. $1k) and the retro reissue DS Chronograph Automatic Ref. C038.462.16.037.00 (approx. $2k). Such a historic brand - you should show them some love.

[@seejayfrujay]

A Mido Multifort was the only watch that did not fall apart on my teen-aged wrist. It kept good time while a Timex cheapie would gain 5 minutes a day while I wore it. My father was amazed at how hard I was on a watch. I lost it and I forget how. So a Mido is my grail of course.

[@wristray8775]

Frederique Constant definitely is under rated. So is Alpina and even Citizen. Frankly watches that are in demand is USA are the watch brands that enjoy the limelight. Brands like Rado is getting recognition after Captain Cook resissue. More and more Brands , old and new, are gaining popularity. I have started to love some lesser known brands that my parents and grand parents wore or carried - Favre Leuba , Rado , West End , Titoni etc. I myself like a new brand - its Carl F. Bucherer. I too gifted the John Wick watch (Manero date), to my dad. Amazing finishing. Loved your John Thicc video. Its funnest of all.

[@mdunawaym]

I'd love to hear more on Ball watches. I fell in love with the company's history in the rail road industry, and love the tough and stunning watches they produce. I have the Fireman Enterprise with the white dial, and it's probably my favorite watch!

[@johnnywatches247]

I would have to definitely agree. 5000 G's of shock resistance crazy and Anti-magnetic properties through the roof fantastic value for the money.

[@jmount411]

Im a Sinn and Damasko fan. I own a bunch of both and ive beat the crap out of both. They actually work together and share technologies with each other which is also cool. But the reason Damasko is attainable is because they sell all their watches on the strap and if you want one of their watches on a bracelet, your paying like over 600 dollars. Sinn offers a tegimented bracelet for much less. The Damasko bracelet is amazing though not going to lie.

[@rickgreen7393]

Jor.... I completely agree with your list.. I would add Breguet, Zenith and Blancpain as being underappreciated and undervalued

[@dangaines405]

Nice findings! Love your content!

[@thetimeteller]

Thank you, bro!!

[@HeroAntagonist]

Nice support for Damasko, agree really underlooked. And thanks for the heads up on Mido, never heard of them (shame on me), that looks a brand I need to check out

[@asifazam4512]

Love the content and the bantz. Love from Japan. I love the Ferique contantin and Mido they are both great watches which both deserve tons of respect.

[@god2142]

Really good video topic!

[@MrFloRolf]

Awesome little list here! And thank you for including se Deutsche Watchmakers ;) Your Glashütte pronunciation8 is pretty good! Maybe separate the Glas and Hütte a little more but else it's spot on :D

[@markbyrum4743]

That FC Moon Timer reminds me a little of my Maurice LaCroix Conc Aguilles. Nice watches featured. Good vid. Keep at it!

[@anthonyuchello2031]

Agree 100% about Mido. The Baroncelli is absolutely gorgeous. And the Ocean Star really rustles my jimmies.

[@steelsteez6118]

Ahhhh I had not heard of some these brands. I will check them out!

[@simonob007]

The Mido Ocean Star GMT is excellent ... A true travellers GMT!

[@santorini8423]

Another great vid mate, actually learnt something, recently got an Orient star moonphase, amazing watch, like it as much as my Rolex and Omega, only cost €1000, cheaper to import in the U.K. now, coz of brexit :)

[@edwardklein5692]

Like your dedication to innovation. It's good to know about fine watchmaking doesn't stop at the Holy Trinity, Rolex, Omega, and Breitling. Personally, I'm kinda in tune with Damasko, of the ones you mentioned.

[@retrostu1]

That PanoMatic Lunar watch!! 😍 stunning in the Salmon dial, I’d be tempted with that cheeky blue dial as well if I had the money for one!

[@yvrlandseer7611]

Silicon, sili-KAHN, number 14 in the periodic table, used in microchips and yes in high end watch parts. Silicone, sili-KONE, a type of flexible plastic, used to make oven mitts.

[@MRrobert7200]

I completely agree that the Frederque Constant brand is often overlooked by collectors. I purchased the Classics Manufacture 710MC4H6 stainless steel automatic white dial with a calendar sub-dial at the 6'oclock position, on a black chroc embossed leather strap and featuring the in-house Caliber FC-701 (Base SW200) movement in 2019 for just under $750. It is now listing on Amazon for $1625. With the in-house Claiber FC-710 (Base SW200) automatic movement, this very beautiful dress watch is an amazing value and most deserving to be on your list of watches collectors ignore.

[@georam7253]

Of all the guys I follow with watch channels, not one talks about Raymond Weil. Not sure why they are overlooked, is it because they are relatively modern starting out in the 1970s? I really like their Freelancer range, really nice and good quality chronographs.

[@davidboyle1790]

Was only talking to a friend who has 25 years experience with various watch brands and I mentioned to him about RW and he said their quality is tremendous,,family owned and offer serous value for money.

[@wrenside]

excellent segment. i went into a local store and i thought the F. Constants stood up nicely vs the other luxury lines on display.

[@danwaz5218]

I agree with all. I've owned a Damasko DA43 on their in-house bracelet since last November...and it's the bomb!! I've only taken it off really for my Datejust (16200). It's a reassuring watch because it's damn near impossible to scratch (and I'm a klutz) and it's weight alone makes you feel like it's indestructible.

[@nsusatyo]

Mondaine. Ok, movement-wise, they're just mainly basic quartz watches and the automatic ones are just basic Sellita SW200s. But they constantly introduce new colour/material variants while preserving the iconic Swiss railway clock design, and they are really environmentally-responsible -- they have an entire line (and straps) that are made out of recycled materials.

[@billcore6295]

Great video Jordie, I own I think 8 FC and recently got the slimline perpetual calendar...an amazing watch for less than $4k new..... I got lucky :) 😀 They make amazing watches...I also like Glasshutte alot just don't own one yet:) Maurice Lacroix are also amazing for the money

[@javierpatricioromero8564]

I'd like the watch comunnity talks more about Fortis, Milus and Baume Mercier (love the Hampton line)

[@balesjo]

Baume Mercier are the first luxury watches that caught my attention years ago. However, most I've seen are quite dressy and since I've retired, I really don't have a need for more dress watches. But yes, they definitely deserve more attention.

[@playboypaul1]

Great list I'd love to see some certina on that list

[@arielohayon2314]

Every word about FC is absolutely accurate ! About to purchase thier worldtimer, amazing piece.

[@theshadowman1398]

Will be picking up the blue dial MIDO commander Big Date later this month.

[@garethworthington7564]

Chronoswiss. I have two if their watches combining hand guilloched dials and modern styling

[@tdaveniii]

Not sure whether to thank you or shush you about Glashutte. . . going to try the SeaQ and SeaQ Panorama tomorrow, and also love the basic Sixties.

[@rorystalwick6260]

Hey Jory what about Yema? They are making in house movements now and have rugged tool watches with great unique designs. I am rocking a Superman Bronze diver lately and loving this French made beast!

[@markhannum1049]

Thanks for mentioning MIDO. I have my dad’s 1940’s vintage MIDO that STILL WORKS!

[@nestorarodriguez2845]

The Frederique Constant Monolithic is beautiful, and the 40 Hz beat innovation is impressive. My lifestyle and dress watches are not compatible, but this one is seducing me. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@wingi7722]

Hey man I heard you use a word that I coined for my cat when he does something really over the top , like purr really loudly or do something really stupid. That word you used is at 5:19 - Ridoculous - cool !!!!!

[@dancroyle1453]

I'm surprised you haven't done anything on a Luminox field auto. The don't get any play. Maybe a little expensive with the tubes . I've had one for 6 years and the ETA is doing about -4 seconds a day and I can get the time at 5 in the morning. Thanks

[@GeeMood]

Love Glashütte. The Original SeaQ Panorama Date 43mm is a grail of mine. Ollech & Wajs needs more shine imho. Their C-1000 & P-101, awesome vintage style divers.

[@AlessandroGenTLe]

Jory, also give a look to the brand "Atlantic", gorgeous Swiss watches, company founded in 1888, for prices like Mido: Atlantic watches

[@rafaelrodriguez2931]

Baume & Mercier its one of the forgotten Ones , The Hampton, The chifton all their movements and executions are incredible, súper Classic and refine!

[@Paul.M67]

You pronounce „ Glashütte „ perfect 👏👏

[@1eddwood]

Jody your bang on about damasko , I have one and I love it beautifully made and tough too

[@coopsavid8964]

As you're into vintage watches have you heard of a German company called Kienzle, I am currently wearing one that used to be my grandads and then my dads. It's about 35mm and is quite a workhorse, it's even antimagnetic.

[@2890bixo]

You should take a look to the Mido Ocean Star Rainbow limited edition , I'm sure will be your favorite now 😉

[@jorgeg5895]

MIDO, a brand worth of looking at!!

[@balesjo]

Have to agree, Mido definitely deserves more attention. I've been keeping an eye divers watches and have been leaning toward Longine and Mido. As for other brands, I haven't seen a lot of attention given to Muhle Glashutte, and they have some beautiful, solid watches made in Germany.

[@benromabengalcats3156]

I fully agree - I have a Mühle Glashütte Teutonia Chronograph - i love it! Also I don't see much attention given to Union Glashütte

[@jrgdrumsandwatches]

Frederique Constant is a great manufacturer. They are very well respected for their innovations and their watches hold up value quite good. Respect!

[@a_z.tazzzfan8497]

Enjoyed the vid 👍 At this (later) point in my life, can't justify anything more than $1,000 with my better half for a non-necessity. Now; when I retire in the next 3 to 5 years, I have a choice - - a single high $$ watch or an entire barrel of Jack Daniel's Single Barrel of my personal choosing after sampling barrels which starts around $10k for the entire barrel which all the bottles are personalized + other things) of which I can gift bottles to family, friends and close coworkers. Different stages in life dictate different priorities and different decisions. Everyone has different priorities; none of which are wrong.

[@cristianbaciu8623]

I got the Mido Ocean Star Tribute. Tuorquoise variant with the bracelet. Stunning piece, got it discounted at my local AD for 740.00€. I will never sell it because it was a bargain!

[@SINbKA007]

There is another underrated germany brand - archimede. They also have complicated steel for cases like damasko and sinn.

[@cardinalj]

Agree with this. I have a Archimede Outdoor 39 white dial. Great everyday watch that can take a beating

[@kennekam]

Agree on Certina. Also Eterna and their Kontiki heritage. Hanhart too has great heritage in fliegers and rally watches.

[@MarceloVaz]

I'm really curious about your opinion about Reymond Weil

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

I asked the same question I love the Freelancer rw1212

[@bradlamrs]

own a panomatic inverse, love it so much

[@stevelufc64]

It would have been nice to see the sweep of the second hand on the fc for comparison to the spring drive

[@coldude2559]

I concur my friend 👍👍👍

[@stuartphillips2960]

Albeit I don't own one yet I'd been LOOKING to pick up a MIDO as the price points are there to be had Jory. Secondly I'm a Swatch man. Adding one to my collection will partner with TISSOT, CERTINA. HAMILTON. CALVIN KLINE. ALL ETAs & variants. Looking at RADO too. Great job bud. Thank you

[@rbf100]

Vintage Eterna watches such as the Kontiki and even the Centenaire. Ball bearing rotor, so incredibly smooth.

[@AlistairDsilva]

FC moon phase is indeed beautiful. I was about to go for the Longines Master Collection, which is about 40% expensive. definitely going to consider FC.

[@tiburonski]

Ha, I really enjoyed your video because I independently came to the same conclusion of the Glashütte Pano Powerreserve with manual wind ( more astoningly my wife pointed that out in rose gold black dial) and the federique constant I felt the same and I love my Midos vintage and reissues like the decompression timer…instead of Damasko I would have chosen Laco…pls check out the spirit of St. Louis…it resembles the original plane clock….so gorgeous and exceptional in my collection. But even Longines, Hamilton, Breguet and a lot more from the Swatch group is overlooked…even Glashütte Original belongs to the Swatch Group…or consider Glycine, Bulova, Timex, Alpina,…

[@TheTownWatch]

Don’t forget about The Ball Watch company! Some amazing tough watches and a lot of unique innovation! Oh yeah, and a lot of tritium!

[@wrenside]

agree about the innovations by Ball. and you can go simple or way over designed - they offer a wide range.

[@TheTownWatch]

@@wrenside Absolutely! Some would say a lot of their stuff is over engineered! 😁

[@wrenside]

sure and some may want that look. the ones i have bought are dialed back a bit but i would love to have one of their worldtimers!

[@TheTownWatch]

@@wrenside I’ve really enjoyed the watches from Ball I’ve had. I reviewed one of their Diver Worldtimes on my channel if you want to check it out!

[@wrenside]

The Town Watch thx, just went over there and checked out your channel and subscribed.

[@ericfreutel8240]

Great review. Love that 40 hz watch🥰🥰🥰

[@massedoesstuff7128]

Rado is pretty overlooked. Most people only know of the captain cook. I really like the Hyperchrome line and the GoldenHorse pieces.