I love this guy...but it took a long time to just say..."It's a digital recording, cut on vinyl"...
@snepNL4 жыл бұрын
then put videos on x1.5 , saves allot of time and frustration.
@Derpy19694 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You da real hero, here.
@BirkinIdk4 жыл бұрын
kinda obvious though, isn't it?
@FanaticDrummer4 жыл бұрын
Which is common sense when everything is done digitally lol But vintage records still sound dope even on Bluetooth record players.
@luciomagini13894 жыл бұрын
@@snepNL it's not the recording, it's the mastering
@SAerror14 жыл бұрын
Loudness wars is the real problem here, digital mastering done properly has little to no impact on what you hear.
@Smith83404 жыл бұрын
Such a shame the loudness war had to stuff up so many recordings
@Locarco4 жыл бұрын
Fortunately, with the newest Loudness Normalization standard, we're heading to a whole new era of well mixed and dynamic music. Lodness wars are almos over and we can thank streaming services for that.
@bradhardisty16524 жыл бұрын
Yes it does. Bits never got all the textures of the sound source..
@nanaholic014 жыл бұрын
@Dezwarteschijf Wong. Digital mastering can be done with even less loudness than vinyl/analog because both the signal to noise ratio is better, the capability to store a wider dynamic range is higher, as well as the noise floor is lower for digital, so a quieter note will actually be stored/record better on CD/digital than it would on vinyl, and a louder note at that too, and capturing that change from super quiet to super loud is vastly superior on digital. As a format CD and a digital process is just vastly superior to an all anolog process + vinyl which is susceptable to noise and degration at every step of the production. So not only that a properly mastered digital master should sound identical to analog but in fact it should be better than a full analog production! The ONLY reason digital mastering is given a bad name and sound worse than analog in a lot of cases is because of the loudness war, that's it. When a modern CD is often master with even LESS dynmaic range than a vinyl master that is why we have a problem and why music on CD sounds so bad, yet that has nothing to do with the format or the limitation of the equipment, but everything to do with stupidity with the people handling the process. Modern CDs are made like giving a modern F1 car to a driver but only allowing them to drive in first gear, all the potential is wasted and of course that even an old F1 car from 50 years ago (vinyl) can lap the newest and the best.
@Larstig814 жыл бұрын
Loudness is a problem which existed when everybody has a stereosystem or amplifier with a loudness button. Many years ago. It was bad then and it is still bad.
@benkrake36784 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why only collect vinyl for the music I listen to that was released before the digital revolution, or just as CD’s were just coming out in the early 1980’s when CD players were expensive, and most people still couldn’t afford them. I personally think that music after the digital revolution, especially music post 2000 is going to sound the same on vinyl as it would digital. Unless it was separately mastered in analog for vinyl, it’s going to sound exactly the same. I don’t fancy paying 3 times the price for a new aged album on vinyl that was mastered digitally.
@JuggaloSupreme4 жыл бұрын
Oh but SO many people fall for it...
@moe479884 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say "exactly" the same.. don't forget that vinyl colors the sound in ways that people find to be harmonically pleasing
@MrDegsy694 жыл бұрын
@@moe47988 That colouration being surface noise in the form of crackles and pops, surface noise, static and a dead, lack lustre centered bass response. You can also add reduced dynamic range to that list as well as the full frequency range of the master tape has to be physically restricted to squash it all into the restricted groove space when cutting the master lacquer. Apart from all that it sounds great not!
@moe479884 жыл бұрын
@@MrDegsy69 I'm not talking about crackles and pops, I'm talking about the sonic properties of passing audio physically through the needle and preamp. Have you ever wondered why there are so many different types of needles out there in a wide range of prices? That's why.
@MrDegsy694 жыл бұрын
@@moe47988 Analogue transcription is a dead letter office and is not worthy of further development? RCA developed and released a Capacitance Electronic Disc format back in 1981 based upon analogue vinyl stereo microgroove technology. It was a precision groove vinyl record slick coated in a silicone lubricant and placed in a protective sealed caddy. This behemoth rapidly worn out and mistracked after just a few plays. It was a dismal failure and resulted in bankruptcy for RCA records. That represented the pinnacle of Analogue stereo microgroove technology development and nothing like it has ever been attempted since. With the advent of the Compact Disc the music industry completely dropped the mastering and production of full analogue mastered vinyl records like a hot rock and retooled for full digital production in the mid nineties. The vinyl records you buy today have been mastered on a full digital production desk and transcribed to vinyl as an afterthought. Most people say that post Y2K vinyl sounds exactly like a CD. The reason for this is because the master lacquer and subsequent stamper have been produced from this digital master recording. Why would you want to mechanically transcribe it, apply a RIAA eq curve to it and subject it to the surface noise and contaminants that arsise from playing a vinyl record when you could just listen to the pure digital reference source file instead the way it was intended to be heard? Vinyl records only begin to even halfway make sense when they are fully analogue mastered which is very rare and expensive these days as technology and evolution have passed this process by! Stick with your legacy vinyls by all means but do be aware they are living on borrowed time. Quite a lot of people are now ripping their LPs to digital flac files to save the wear and tear on their records which rather defeats the object of owning and storing them in the first place to me.
@vinylordie13014 жыл бұрын
When releasing my album last year, we had to master the thing twice. Once for digital mediums, and again for the vinyl record. Two different listening experiences!
@gayassReal4 жыл бұрын
thats normal for most albums... many albums get like 4 masters for different formats
@SingularityMedia4 жыл бұрын
This is due to the particular eccentricities of vinyl as a recording medium. What can be put to CD and sound great, just might not translate well to vinyl or may end up distorting.
@gayassReal4 жыл бұрын
@@SingularityMedia exactly, for example, with streaming services the bit rate can be up to 24 or so, but with CD it has to be 16
@SingularityMedia4 жыл бұрын
@@gayassReal 16bit is more than enough.
@gayassReal4 жыл бұрын
@Cicada 3301 they don't sound awful, they actually sound better than most streaming services, but in terms of bit rate streaming is better
@publicdomainscience26504 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is, that a CD and especially a SACD could have a higher dynamic range than most LPs actually had. But almost no recordings take advantage of that. Except eg some recordings of classic music today.
@Akatosh864 жыл бұрын
It's ironic that the LP format's shortcomings are actually the reason why they often 'sound better' - it's advantages cannot be abused like CD's have been.
@joey11274 жыл бұрын
SACD is fairly specialized so unless you are getting a remastered recording, not a lot of NEW music get's the SACD treatment. Jazz, Blues, Classical, some well recorded rock also gets the SACD remaster treatment here and there.
@bradhardisty16524 жыл бұрын
Higher dynamic range hasn't translated into capturing transients or layers.
@JoeJ-82824 жыл бұрын
IKR?!... SACD had great potential to be a new, and even better "replacement for the CD standard", (which, if ANY new medium is going to live into the future as long as the ongoing 40+ year lifespan of the CD for example, it would have to be *at least as good of sound quality as a properly mastered CD* is!), however, the SACD wasn't marketed to the masses properly, and its strengths were not emphasized enough, plus it was rather pricey, so everyone who wasn't fully informed of its advantages or didn't truly appreciate all it had to offer, just thought of SACD as "just an extremely expensive (regular) CD", therefore it never really caught on unfortunately! I was kind of looking forward to it becoming the new music standard too, because I really appreciate great sound quality, but many people, especially the younger generation don't really know or understand what really great *sound quality* means, all they really (know to) care about is convenience and ease of access to... Hence the popularity of MP3 downloads and such. But any audiophile or even just an average listener who cares about distortion, etc., knows that MP3 and most streaming music isn't even close to as good as a properly mastered and recorded CD or especially SACD can be!... I'm looking forward to seeing what truly better medium actually does replace the CD into the future... Who knows what it will end up being, but I think it's gonna have to be a combination of really great sound quality, (to keep the "audiophile" types happy), convenience and instant, anywhere ease of access to, universal playback ability on any device, especially portable ones, and of course a reasonably cheap cost to buy, otherwise it won't catch on long term and be able to become a standard that all in the music industry can adopt and invest in!... We shall see what happens... You have to keep an open mind to any and all possibilities, because it might end up being some totally new and radical technology that gets invented within the next few years or so that no-one has thought of yet!
@MidwestBoom4 жыл бұрын
@@JoeJ-8282 yeah the real problem with sacd is just that it came out way too late
@thegood94 жыл бұрын
This is why i've quit buying new vinyl. They are actually taking digitally remastered data and dumping to vinyl for sales. It pissed me off, and I'm done.
@cole17144 жыл бұрын
i mean, of course they are, what else would they do lol. NOBODY (that i listen to, at least) records on tape, or whatever analog medium you'd get the benefits of from a vinyl of that recording. Digital is just so much cheaper/easier/more conducive to the creative process.
@k-dogg7114 жыл бұрын
Cole I know a fair share of newer artists that record on analogue. Mostly in the indie/rock sphere though.
@sugnasugna4 жыл бұрын
K-DOGG yeah tame impala uses tape I wonder how the new album vinyl would sound
@thegood94 жыл бұрын
@@k-dogg711 foo fighters now mostly record on 24-track. I think Pearl Jam prefers analogue as well, too, but yeah, I understand the point. However, the "classic" sound associated with vinyl can still be "simulated" via high resolution transfers to vinyl, but then I would rather just listen to the original high resolution 24-32 bit 192kHz file on a really good system before I wanna hear a "vinylIZED" version of the same product... The marketing and sales are not surprisingly catering to ignorant and uninformed "new vinyl hipsters", for sure.
@elsongs4 жыл бұрын
Plus they cost almost twice as much as a CD...
@leonarddaneman8104 жыл бұрын
You have to look for the code, like AAD, on the CD. Analog master recording, Analog mixed, Digital format. This should be required on 'new' lp's as well. Like, AAA.
4 жыл бұрын
That would alienate the ignorant vinyl lovers. Vinyl sales would tank if the "purists" out there knew this.
@bradhardisty16524 жыл бұрын
I like that.
@DupageDragonsFan944 жыл бұрын
Yes - that's brilliant! I agree. Only thing is, I can't remember the last time I saw those codes displayed on a CD (maybe the early 90s?). Another thing: unfortunately nobody cares anymore. People would rather instantly gratify themselves with streaming the most God-awful format (MP3). For at least the last 15 years, that's the way it has been - quantity (i.e. the ability to store more music) over quality. And when it comes to vinyl, only the AAA code matters for authentic analog quality, and good luck with that - the vast majority of everything is recorded, mixed, and mastered in digital (DDD). Very, very few people continue to record on analog 24-track machines, so there goes your first A in the code. Loudness wars mastering that Paul mentioned in the video certainly doesn't help quality either.
@AndyP1264 жыл бұрын
SPARS codes went away decades ago. They don't exist any more.
@MrDegsy694 жыл бұрын
@@AndyP126 They badly need resurecting to shut up all the elitists and fake snake oil salesmen once and for all!
@SpeakerBuilder4 жыл бұрын
The best sounding vinyl records I own were produced in the 80's, and of course they all originate as multi-track tape recordings. The combination of tape recording/mastering and vinyl pressing provides that warmth we seek. If we want to go back to vinyl, lets go back to multi-track tape and two track tape mastering. Otherwise, pressing vinyl records from digital recordings seems silly. I have lots of CD's that sound fabulous, not quite as warm as the best vinyls, but a bit more dynamic and certainly cleaner. If you have a really clean recording, either medium is fine.
@thomasedward22314 жыл бұрын
I have some Cars records that just amazing
@JamesT654 жыл бұрын
Buy a vintage reel to reel and record the modern vinyl or cd to reel tape and it will sound better.
@SpeakerBuilder4 жыл бұрын
@@JamesT65 I have old reel to reel recordings of live broadcasts from Boston, like BB King at Pauls Mall, their last night before closing, priceless.
@billybassman214 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of digital masters from the 80s that sound amazing, the problem is the compression.
@SpeakerBuilder4 жыл бұрын
@@billybassman21 The mastering of the original recordings from the 80's were not over-compressed generally, so if you are hearing that, then the digital remastering engineer did that. The problem I hear with CD versions of old recordings is not compression but EQ. In several cases the clarity is much greater in the high end, but the bass has not been enhanced to compensate, and was not very prominent to begin with, so the result is a very out of balance mix that just sounds terrible. I am looking into a preamp with bass and treble control so that I can easily compensate for some of these mistakes.
@hirambright93574 жыл бұрын
What I found is that a vinyl record sounds great if I use a great and relatively expensive sound system. CDs on the other hand will give you a clear sound with any device.
@afistfulofpimples17454 жыл бұрын
Rubbish
@brentfisher9024 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on that one. Digital made it a lot easier to playback high quality recordings...it's just the record companies prefer quantity over quality.
@chriscutress65424 жыл бұрын
"BRING DYNAMICS BACK" In the spirit of Bob Katz I'd put that on the back of my truck !
@johneygd4 жыл бұрын
Indeed, quality over quantity.
@infesticon4 жыл бұрын
Most anoying thing with cd is just how good digital would be for dynamics. On vinyl you will never have silince. There will be surface noise. CDs when there's a silince it's a total silince.
@johneygd4 жыл бұрын
Stuart Dawson yeah but likely when theres music on a finyl recording record or a cassette tape, that serface noise get’s cancled out, you will only hear serface noise in silence parts of it,, unless those cassette tapes & finyl recordings are really degraded in quality.
@chriscutress65424 жыл бұрын
@@johneygd In the early days of 16-44.1 digital recording I would record live to digital DAT and use a Metal DBX Encoded Cassette as a backup. A few times there were dropouts on the DAT's and it would require that I edit the Cassette sections into the digital workstation to replace the dropouts. You couldn't hear the difference except where you knew where the edits were done. After a few months, listening back you would have forgotten about the edit points and couldn't really hear the difference. Of course keep in mind these were live recording so there was audience sfx and some level of room tone in these recordings. On vinyl, there are always the little clicks and pops of surface noise unless you feed the audio through a Cedar System or a properly aligned KLH Noise Eliminator.
@johneygd4 жыл бұрын
Chris Cutress wow that’s pretty interesting,but aside from that ,,yeah those clicks you mentioned were indeed audible on those finyl recordings.
@BrianBoniMakes4 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, Here’s something you’re not considering. In the 80s I was working in the industrial testing equipment industry, we supplied to the very largest manufactures and testing labs and I engineered systems and worked calibrating instruments. At that time the record industry was a major customer of the companies who made the vinyl and they paid top dollar for first quality materials, by the train car load. The companies who made the raw materials made and gave the best materials to the largest customers who would pay the most which was for records, they had testing and labs at each stage of production. There’s just no way that the dribble of record vinyl being made today get this treatment. I was also in the record pressing plants, there was networks of them and they all ran labs of their own, the new shipments of vinyl were tested before the containers were unloaded and if it was off for some reason it went back. The people who ran these plants were highly educated and very skilled as at this point the industry was over fifty years old. This network is gone and the people retired, you just don’t open up a record plant and make the same quality that people who have been doing it for fifty years did. Today the vinyl industry is busy making siding and window frames with record vinyl being way down the list if it is on the list at all, the biggest suppliers aren’t fighting for the business anymore. Let’s face it records are dead, they had a great run but all you’re spinning today is nostalgia. You talk about CD mastering for loudness but you didn’t mention that mastering was really introduced to keep the needle in the record groove and to compensate how that groove changes from the lead in to lead out. I’ll never forget when I got my first direct to disk copy of the 1812 Overture and saw how the groove spacing was manually adjusted to keep the cannon bursts from entering the adjacent grooves, this started me asking question about mastering and it was then that I found about all the limits placed on records. Are we not romanticizing the faults of records and calming limitations as features?
@mitchelvalentino15694 жыл бұрын
Brian Boni This is one of the most informative and interesting comments I’ve read on KZbin. Thank you for sharing!
@Laurensnl4 жыл бұрын
Interesting but I do not agree that today we can't have the same quality. I think it's the complete opposite. With modern day technology we are able to achieve much higher quality anywhere. Machines, sensor and computers can accomplish much more with much less. Even 50 years of experience can easily be replaced by proper technology..
@BrianBoniMakes4 жыл бұрын
@@Laurensnl Yes we are able to produce better everything but we are in much more cost conscious times so the reality is modern manufacturing methods are being used to keep the cost down and not raise the quality.
@аляулю-з9б4 жыл бұрын
@@mitchelvalentino1569 love english yt for such educative comments. Russian yt is just hate and politics, everyone hates everybody and government with little pedo czar.
@sashas33624 жыл бұрын
Yeah that explanation reminds me of how they say we can't put a man back on the Moon now because there is so much engineering and manufacturing knowledge which nobody bothered to put in writing that got lost when people died and such. They can't make Apollo rockets anymore. It became a lost art and only in the past few years did they figure out how to create comparable rocket engines again. But it remains to be seen whether they can put a man back on the Moon with these newer rockets.
@andershammer93074 жыл бұрын
If you want good vinyl you have to buy Mobile Fidelity or Analogue Productions re-issues. The regular vinyl you find a stores like Target are mostly just copies on CDs on Vinyl.
@csilt4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned Daft Punk at the end because I have their albums Discovery and Random Access Memories and they both sound phenomenal on vinyl. They sound so much better than most modern vinyl.
@csilt4 жыл бұрын
@@nooneinpart You should read this.. www.soundonsound.com/people/recording-random-access-memories-daft-punk
@tristanawild3804 жыл бұрын
I love Discovery, have it on vinyl (and DVD, and digital files..)- it’s one of my favorite albums- but as a french house record, the sound of it definitely comes from compression that isn’t at all transparent. It pumps- but as a deliberate aesthetic choice. Not sure it’s really the best example of a very dynamic/unprocessed sound. As a funk record, RAMs is a different beast entirely.
@kbtube81254 жыл бұрын
yes. over compression as an effect. super annoying.
@tristanawild3804 жыл бұрын
KBtube disagree! When used with taste and deliberation, over-compression can make something sound huge. I especially love slamming something into a compressor, and either dialing it back in parallel or using a transient-shaper thereafter to restore dynamics to the sound. Obviously not something you should do to a classical recording or acoustic jazz track, but in contexts like dance music or metal it can be a fantastic way of adding intensity. Where I dislike over-compression is in contexts where it’s murdering dynamic material without a deliberate artistic reason.
@elsongs4 жыл бұрын
Because they were Doin' It Right.
@EddieJazzFan4 жыл бұрын
The loudness wars have also made FM radio very poor sounding.
@Mike-fi5se4 жыл бұрын
That's why my pirate station doesn't use any compression and I run the signal through a tube preamplifier. Preserving the sound is more important to my listeners.
@Richard-bq3ni4 жыл бұрын
@@Mike-fi5se A pirate radio? You naughty boy 😁 When I was young and still lived with my parents I had a pirate station as well. The signal was send from my mix panel trough an mpx filter to the stereo encoder. No compressor/limiter whatsoever. Just watch the VU meters to prevent over modulation. FM stereo can sound fantastic. But there is no radio station I know with good sound. All compressed like hell.
@Uoldd4 жыл бұрын
oh yes.
@MrNicknayme4 жыл бұрын
Here’s why: Most vinyls have music that is mastered for CD and streaming, but adapted to vinyl. So you get the CD quality minus some lows, essentially.
@MrMahn214 жыл бұрын
Records, they're called records
@kadekbalian4 жыл бұрын
All the (electronic music) record labels I know commission separate masters for vinyl and digital releases
@joey11274 жыл бұрын
@@kadekbalian that's an exception. Thus why they sound so good. In general, the mass top-40 Indi-Pop out there today...sound quality is not the goal so the LP is really an after though, not the end result. Analog is expensive from inception, you need engineers that know what they are doing from the get go. Most are either dead now, or running privet remaster labels like Mo-Fi or Analog Productions.
@awookieandagerman4 жыл бұрын
Which is why my Muse - Drones record has really shoddy bass on my favorite track.
@elsongs4 жыл бұрын
@@MrMahn21 You can easily tell a person's age when they use the term "vinyls" vs. 'records" LOL.
@sidecarcn4 жыл бұрын
It depends. Now at Radio Netherlands our transcription service until 1999 were sending out recordings on open reel tape, cassette, CD and LP. But each of the formats that were distributed all had different masters made for duplication. By the late 80s we had ended using 2, 4 or 8 track tape for sessions and moved to digital. After we had the digital studio master, 4 different masters were made for each of the formats using a different EQ. This was actually very expensive to do as none of the recordings we made were sold and provided free of charge to different broadcast stations. The tape versions were EQ in house, but the CD, cassette and LP versions were done by Phonogram. Some of our early transcription LPs in the 50s and 60s and well into the 70s. Had 2 LP versions. One mono for MV stations (AM radio) and one stereo for FM stations. These also had a different EQ.
@justanotherguyfromthenorth57914 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel a week or so ago. I love your enthusiasm and no nonsense approach. Keep up the love of the sound.
@Paulmcgowanpsaudio4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! And welcome.
@themarcinmm48404 жыл бұрын
Oh, I hate the loudness war. I mean, I hate it. I’m so happy I got some old vinyls from my parents. And there’s eBay :) But even if I play a CD from 1990, my ears relax :)
@NickP3334 жыл бұрын
theMarcinMM I mean this very respectfully, but the plural of vinyl is vinyl, not vinyls. Can’t forget Discogs in addition to eBay. Discogs is wonderful, if for nothing else cataloging your collection. Not to mention, they’ve got pretty much every version of every album ever made listed. I’m sure you’re most likely very familiar with Discogs though... Enjoy your weekend! 🎵🔊👍
@themarcinmm48404 жыл бұрын
Nick Pantazi Thanks. You’re right, I stand corrected :) And Discogs is a really nice place. One of the best ways to still be able to buy some real music (with all due respect to the new-age stuff, it’s a matter of taste, but as soon as I ripped a CD track maybe 15 or 20 years ago and took a look at the waveform...) Anyways, I’ve been recently looking for one of those vintage brass-horn gramophones. My grandmother used to have a few shellac records from the early 1930s or so. Unfortunately, I tried to look for them after she passed away a few years ago and I couldn’t find them :( But we’ll see. Enjoy your weekend, too!
@venturarodriguezvallejo97774 жыл бұрын
I hate "loudness wars", too. As I hate, and hated, the "musical" clicks, clocks, plicks, plocks, grrrs, hisses and other delicatessen vinyl reserves, and had reserved, for every music lover. Thank God, vinyl is back for making our lives even happier than they already were.
@TheGogeta2224 жыл бұрын
Oh yes I've got some LP's from an Japanese audiophile they are 40+ years old and I think they are like new if you search for quality search in Japan
@changkwangoh4 жыл бұрын
theMarcinMM keep on using “vinyls,” pop. It’s never going away. It could very well be wrong, but its acceptable nowadays.
@TheMirolab4 жыл бұрын
Agree Paul!!….. If you record a modern LP to your computer and look at the waveform, you can see that many record companies use the same heavily limited digital master that they used to make the CD. Go to the Dynamic Range Database (dr.loudness-war.info) & look up your favorite recordings. Most new records are in the 5-7 dB range, but music from the 70s-80s (rock, pop, jazz) will have a range of 12-16 dB. That's just not allowed today. SOME new artists will press their LPs with more dynamic range than the CD counterpart. Just one example is Tame Impala's Currents LP. the CD has a DR=5 and the LP has a DR=9. I borrowed the CD first, and then purchased the LP when I found out it had a higher DR. The LP sounds better, in this case.
@ThinkingBetter4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps those doing the studio work are from the smart phone era where the “reference speakers” are the standard white iPhone earbuds. Somehow, younger people don’t expect much with cheap earbuds and tiny Bluetooth speakers; and I suspect it’s due to the trend of how “smaller is better” has made the average audio worse.
@robertsteich73624 жыл бұрын
ThinkingBetter “loudness wars” have been ramping up since the early 90s.
@brainache5554 жыл бұрын
Robert Steich 80s
@ThinkingBetter4 жыл бұрын
@@brainache555 Well, the music industry has messed up dynamic range with different arguments through history. It's particularly sad when otherwise great music gets optimized towards playback on junk audio gear. When we have systems and standards that can play with >=96dB dynamic range and end up with a tiny fraction of it, it's a great bummer. My favorite music is not a constant stream of near clipping level sounds drowning the fine details. Such music production is like making a zombie horror movie with the only theme of people getting killed constantly.
@carlhilton47474 жыл бұрын
Pass down your old, unused gear to young people. You will be amused at the reaction you get when they actually hear what their favorite music is supposed to sound like. LoFi is pretty much the norm these days; compressed, distorted recordings and trendy equipment of indifferent quality. The kids don't know any better.
@0utcastAussie4 жыл бұрын
@@carlhilton4747 This kind of happened to me. I had an industrial accident in the early 80's and got a pretty decent payout. So I went and bought one of those new fangled CD thingies next to no-one had. It cost £500 just for the player. My next door neighbour heard I'd bought one and wanted to listen. He WASN'T impressed. I thought "cocky *unt". HE said come round and have a listen to the same track on his system. It was a B & O Beosystem and I was blown away. Music within music. I asked him how the heck he could afford that system and he said it was second hand but still hella expensive. I said it's definitely worth it !
@chronojae4 жыл бұрын
Definitely something I've noticed too that has been bothering me. No dimension, and as you said, no dynamics! Thanks for the informational video :-)
@stephendacey49164 жыл бұрын
I've finally replaced all my 180grm reissues with original A1/B1 70's recordings, I now enjoy the music.
@bassmandudge4 жыл бұрын
This is so utterly true... I'm 53 my daughter is 16. Each payday we get a classic album and a modern album... floyd Wish you were here vs Sam Fender......Steely Dan Aja vs Wombats .. it is clear that mixing and mastering from the days when vinyl was the main media is miles ahead of modern production. Personally I blame a lot of it on home recording..artists who think they can produce their own albums not realising what a black art mastering really is...understanding instrument separation and soundstaging... I am a fan of all of the above bands but some of the sound quality on the newer artists is truly dreadful. I have a pretty good system and I bought The Resistance by Muse on the weekend but it was soooo bass heavy and muddy in the midrange that it was almost unlistenable... and I played bass in a Muse tribute for 5 years so I know their stuff...it was so disappointing as I really thought their huge orchestral pieces would blow my mind on vinyl.... whereas Aja...well that really is special on my system..... I guess the current crop of mixers..sound engineers and producers need to go back and listen and learn from those that really knew their stuff.
@joey11274 жыл бұрын
Right, because you needed engineers that understood the equipment and how to get proper fidelity without over saturation. Today, every time they show some ghetto gangster in the studio, the VU's are ALWAYS pegging...cause it looks cool, yo! Recording went to hell when you could use your iPhone and Laptop to literally make an album in your bedroom...and thanks to YouTub, everyone can make an album...
@innercores12664 жыл бұрын
AJA is my favorite Steely Dan album.
@brentfisher9024 жыл бұрын
@@joey1127 They need to get a new hipster trend to release albums on LPC-10 2,400 bits per second compressed.
@chipsnmydip4 жыл бұрын
The workflow for mastering an album has also changed dramatically, and very few records, even those recorded to tape, are actually mastered analog and cut from tape. Even if it isn't necessary to master the album to digital, most modern lathes cutting use a digital delay in order to provide lookahead so they don't skip. My understanding is that to do a true AAA record you need an additional tape to provide the lookahead. A friend recently recorded an album on 2" 24 track tape, and mixed it down to 1/2" 2 track. Then, at the mastering studio it was played off the tape machine, eq'd and compressed, and finally recorded digitally at 24 bit 96khz. The vinyl cutting then used the 24 bit transfer. This is a more hifi process than most.
@juliocesarpereira43254 жыл бұрын
Cold and acurate definition: both vinyl records and CDs are made to store recordings. Nothing of that pointless fight to name which one's better. I listen to both and enjoy them equally.
@angusvanhalen28864 жыл бұрын
One thing I’ve noticed about modern LPs...quality control of the actual vinyl discs SUCK. I have gotten so many many records that are warped, with surface scratches right out of the shrink. I’ve gotten to the point where I only buy used records I can personally inspect, or have some inspect it for me on Discogs. I’ve been collecting LPs for 40yrs, and warping has always been a concern with vinyl records, but never used to get brand new, warped records. It sucks
@thegrimyeaper4 жыл бұрын
And the holes in the middle. It's like they're having a contest to see how small they can get them.
@angusvanhalen28864 жыл бұрын
thegrimyeaper yes!!! I have a double LP and one record is so tight on the spindle, I can lift up my rega deck without it coming off
@brianmoore5814 жыл бұрын
Yep, the worst thing that ever happened to vinyl is when the hipsters jumped on board and made it somewhat popular again. What used to be a specialty product made by people who cared about quality is now a trendy mass market piece of crap, as sloppy as the hipsters who buy it.
@angusvanhalen28864 жыл бұрын
Brian Moore yep and drive prices to sometimes ridiculous amounts
@jimmiesmith58114 жыл бұрын
@@angusvanhalen2886 LPs cost more than CDs now in some places on my way home i always stop in the record shop to browse through the new and used section and the prices are so high i could walk out 5 used album's for the price of 1 new copy and that 180 gram vinyl is just gimmick to jack up the price
@vcp934 жыл бұрын
So in a nutshell, it's the "content" that's the problem, not the "media". Pick up one of those Blue Note Tone Poet series or their 80th Anniversary LPs. They sound amazing. There are many, many other examples, but the point is to start with quality content and your 75% the way there. Cheers! 👽🖖"Na-nu"
@jamiehowarth5414 жыл бұрын
The digital versions of the Tone Poet also sound excellent. Joe Harley's is good.
@CoolDudeClem4 жыл бұрын
The ironic thing is, while all the dynamics have been crushed down to nothing when it comes to music, movies have so much of it that you can barely hear what's going on one minute, next thing you know you're have your eardrums ruptured! Never used to be like that, never had to constatly reach for my volume controll when watching a good film, and music back then was only compressed just enough to still have good dynamics, but never too much like it is today.
@1215Runnymede4 жыл бұрын
Our friend Doug Sax (Founder of The Mastering Lab) said it best: “Stop Digital Madness!” About now, he and Arnie are in Arnie’s listening room enjoying Direct to Disc releases from Sheffied.
@tjroelsma4 жыл бұрын
The first CD's actually didn't sound that bad. The Philips Red Book very precisely documented how music should be transferred to CD. Yes, vinyl lovers argued that you lost part of the "warmth" of vinyl records with the CD, but the sound was very dynamic, partly because CD's had way more headroom than vinyl. Cue the "loudness wars", when every bit of dynamic was compressed out of existance and that changed, making the difference between vinyl and CD much larger. But now vinyl has been subjected to the same treatment, making even the "good old" vinyl records sound awful.
@jamiehowarth5414 жыл бұрын
That's so not Doug after 1990. He pulled a real fast one on Fremer at the 2014 (iirc) AES by playing some Sheffield that sounded great, then announced he would play something from the Pantera Box Set he had recently finished, and compared it to the original CD by a mastering engineer he named but I'd rather not. Go look it up. So he plays the CD and it's compressed and limited and bright and commercial and meh. Then he plays the vinyl and it ROARED. Big warm, huge sound, Big round of applause from the predominantly pro-vinyl side. Then he steps to the mic and announces "That was a cut I did from a 192kHz/24bit file from the Warner LIbrary." Air comes out of the balloon. "but but doug you used your special EQ and limiting special sauce etc to make it sound so great" "Nah, the kid who mixed it did a good job, I tried a few things but I couldn't beat it so I cut it flat". And Mikey looked extremely pained, Bob Ludwig looked bemused. Classic Doug being Doug, disruptive, iconoclastic and always right.
@Trance884 жыл бұрын
This is the exact topic that has me on the fence of is it even worth getting new vinyl. The recording studios are just taking a single master and using them for both CD and vinyl. For vinyl, they're probably doing a couple small tweaks around the edges, often times using extra compression and even rolling off high frequencies to prevent sibilance (fuzzy "S" sounds). This is why I very rarely buy brand new recordings on vinyl. I usually only buy used, pre-1990 albums on vinyl.
@edwardmenice86044 жыл бұрын
I have a couple of rolling stones vinyl albumns that are direct stream digital recordings and I think they sound great. Doesn't matter what the medium is. The mastering makes the difference.
@paulanderson794 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. I always found early CD masters far too hot. Dynamics were crushed. Not a fault of the medium but poor mastering technique.
@chrisstone-streetlightinte56294 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's just the genres I listen to, but I can notice a huge difference in the mixing and master on vinyl versus the cd or file format. The most recent Deftones album is a great example. The CD and File versions of the those albums the snare is buried, the kick sounds like mud, and there is noticeable clipping in the rhythm guitars. The vinyl, the kick sounds good, the snare pops, and the guitars sound like they are where they should be. I know of a few albums that I own both of that are like this. I think the big difference though between the 60's 70's and 80's versus today's vinyls though is that things aren't being recorded to analog tape anymore. I really think that needs to come back for their to be a significant change in sound.
@KRAFTWERK2K64 жыл бұрын
The first time i clearly heard that difference was when i compared my "Tource De France" 12' vinyls from 1983 and the later re-issue from the late 90s. I was horrified at the thin sound of the re-issue. And many many Techno & Trance 12' Vinyl records are also suffering from that issue. Even some early digitally recorded Vinyls like the Jean Michel Jarre Album "Magnetic Fields" sounded really awefull. As if they really just etched a CD into the Vinyl master groove.
@madyogi61644 жыл бұрын
Can confirm the JMJ as well. Found Chronologie LP reissue, I was so happy holding it but surprised how (wish to not say) bad it was. I remembered it much better sounding on my MC back from the 90s... old "thin" LPs from the 70-80s (120 grams or thinner) sounded better. than 180 nowady bricks. Rearly you can find 180g release that is as good as the old one. I usually try looking well known production/distribution studios like /RCA/Atlantic/Polydor/Electra/Epic/Virgin/Mute/4AD/ etc. JMJ was Dreyfus which don't exist any more. I guess that's the story of non-existing studios. Reissuer's can't repeat the good stuff or go for easy money...
@bradhardisty16524 жыл бұрын
Excellent truth there.
@1jhnpennington4 жыл бұрын
Superb as usual. Makes me happy watching your videos. Take care.
@adamgh04 жыл бұрын
Daft Punk's Random Access Memories was mastered for each format. I have it on CD and vinyl and they sound slightly different from each other.
@bobshoe84264 жыл бұрын
not surprising considering the themes of the album...
@m1ke19813 жыл бұрын
Which was probably recorded digitally anyways. If it was done on analogue tape to vinyl, then we can talk.
@nesNYC4 жыл бұрын
Oh! And as for the loudness issue that's because some studios use compressor software and will "normalize" the track to bring it as high as 0db to maintain a constant volume that's full but will sometime distort lower frequencies. Mastering is an artform all unto itself and if you grew up in the digital era you know of no other way for things to sound. Those of us the were raised on analog should know and understand the differences.
@AndyP1264 жыл бұрын
The digital source is not the issue. Digital masters are great. It’s the ******* loudness wars. Vinyl records are not immune to the loudness wars, the way some people claim. Analog mastering is. But analog mastering has it’s own set of issues. The solution is to continue to use digital masters but stop dynamically compressing the music.
@jpvoodoo55224 жыл бұрын
Yes. I contend that by increasing the bit depth, the dynamic range lost by digital could be so small as to be imperceptible to human hearing if the industry wants to write the software formats and design the DACs to do it.. CDs were 16 bit. That is 65535 possible amplitude values with PCM. Why not a Gigabit format? The sky is the limit, it's only storage. Still. the analog purists will claim they can hear the difference. Compression abuse did more to kill dynamic range than the format did. The source is crap and then you mutilate it and blame the format.
@AndyP1264 жыл бұрын
@@jpvoodoo5522 16 bit is not the number of amplitude values. It's the BIT DEPTH. The BIT DEPTH is the difference between the quietest and loudest pieces of a piece of music. Most music doesn't even use 8 bits of depth, especially modern compressed music. If you want to have some fun, convert a 16-bit FLAC to 8-bit and play it. What you'll hear is pretty much the same song with hiss in the background, because the noise floor goes up. I think the problem we have is that people don't really understand how digital music works. What bit depth is, and what sample rate is. 16 bits of depth, gives us 96 dB of dynamic range. And the sample rate of a CD is 44.1 Khz. The Nyquist Theorem states that in order to adequately reproduce a signal it should be periodically sampled at a rate that is 2X the highest frequency you wish to record. Human hearing runs from 20 Hz to 20 Khz. Some exceptionally gifted people can hear as high as 22 KHz. So, if we double 22 KHz to 44 KHz, then 44.1 KHz encompasses a perfect sampling of the entire range of human hearing, which is what the CD has.
@jpvoodoo55224 жыл бұрын
@@AndyP126 , Yes I was ignoring the whole discussion of Nyquist and sampling. That is another issue. When I spoke about the number of amplitude values, I was referring to file formats and their relationship to bit depth. The greater the bit depth, the greater the NUMBER of possible amplitude values that can be used to represent the 96 dB range. Most people don't understand that it was the continuous nature of analog recording media that allowed it to represent the continuous changes in amplitude values. Think of amplitude as vertical resolution in pictures and sampling rate as horizontal resolution. We apparently can't improve horizontal resolution beyond 44,1 khz. But we could represent the amplitude precisely enough over that 96 dB range by increasing the bit depth so that the differences in amplitude don't matter. There is an awesome book that discusses this in depth too. This stuff excites me. You can download the chapters that interest you for free. They have code samples for the math behind DSP. This is useful not just in audio, but anywhere a digital signal needs to be represented. Networking, Telecom, Medical Imaging, etc. www.dspguide.com/ "The Scientist and Engineer's Guide to Digital Signal Processing"
@AndyP1264 жыл бұрын
JP Voodoo a file format is just a container to store bit depth and sampling rate. All lossless file formats will sound the same.
@jpvoodoo55224 жыл бұрын
@@AndyP126, Any sort of digital encoding loses information to some degree. If you are talking about "lossless" from the standpoint of whether or not conversion or compression loses the original data. then it only matters if the original recording is high quality to begin with. If you have ever played around with with writing bits directly to a sound file, it really opens your mind to the possibilities. The music industry has only scratched the surface of the quality possible.
@andrewhethmon32194 жыл бұрын
As a person who’s recently dove deeper into HI-Fi It’s difficult to pick out the many important distinctions with the topic as a whole but especially with vinyl. I love the medium for so many reasons but I’m not looking to buy into trends for trends sake. I want quality in every area of my life and as a result most of the things in my house, from Hi-Fi gear to furniture to the house itself are older and time tested. It’s something I don’t mind putting time a research into and resources like this channel are invaluable. MY QUESTION IS: 1. What about reissues of albums recorded in during the analog era? I’ve got a lot of old vinyl and they tend to be my favorites but there are some albums that are hard to find in good condition or too expensive so I buy new reissues. 2. What can I do when looking to buy an album to know if it was appropriately mastered for vinyl?
@billbones10004 жыл бұрын
Yup, couldn't agree more. The upshot is there are hundreds of thousands of amazing used LPs from the 60s,70s and 80s that can be had for 5$ a piece.
@abxaudiophiles4 жыл бұрын
Well said Paul!! People just don’t get it. But really at the end of the day it comes down to how well the music is mastered and production. I have many “New” vinyl albums that sound phenomenal. I also have many original pressings from the 60s and 70s that are horribly mastered and sound like crap. 95% of it is mastering quality 5% is the process it’s stored.
@vinylrules48384 жыл бұрын
Actually, it all begins with the recording. Mastering can't "fix" a bad recording. Every step of the recording chain is important.
@abxaudiophiles4 жыл бұрын
@@vinylrules4838 Correct.... Thats part of the production
@thomasedward22314 жыл бұрын
Do most bands now record to digital storage instead of tape? I suppose the biggest problem is what size of a file the end up with (bigger is better? lol) and the mastering from that digital to analogue.
@vinylrules48384 жыл бұрын
@@thomasedward2231 It is expensive to record to tape and the tape machine must be properly maintained for optimal performance. There is nothing wrong with digital if it is done correctly. But there lies the problem, doing it correctly.
@abxaudiophiles4 жыл бұрын
@@vinylrules4838 100% correct.
@unadomandaperte4 жыл бұрын
Avoid any pressings after the 90's. No one is keeping loyal to recording techniques of the yesteryears anymore.
@azzajohnson21234 жыл бұрын
Vorrei imparare l'italiano knowledge is being lost to the generation that’s all about making money and not putting time into quality.
@dee.87844 жыл бұрын
Can’t lie this is kinda true! I recently listen to for example All Eyez on Me by 2Pac (1996) and I’m listening and the sound quality is like idk more warmth to it then I listened to Good Kid MADD city by Kendrick Lamar (2012) and it sounds so digital even on vinyl
@Youtube.Commen-tater4 жыл бұрын
Zappa records still uses original master tapes.
@friedmule54034 жыл бұрын
Paul, it's fairly easy to explain why. It's all about speed of production. 1) You can record without having to use time on microphone placement, optimizing dynamic and so on. 2) When the time comes to make the editing, you can simply run everything trough a normalize and hit exactly 0dB 3) And lastly, smaller files do take less time and space to distribute.
@nunofernandes45014 жыл бұрын
You need a red MADA hat. Make Audio Dynamic Again!
@Madyetmellow4 жыл бұрын
Cartridges have improved greatly and the vinyl is far better pressed nowadays. Got tonnes of old dance records from the 80s and 90s and many are not great presses. The bigger studios never really had a problem with pressing. I didn’t realise just how complicated it is in pressing your own vinyl. Probably explains why some sound great and some sound crap as the science wasn’t there a few decades ago especially for the smaller labels
@cb2000a4 жыл бұрын
If you want to hear really good vinyl you have to track down some Sheffield Labs recordings.
@joey11274 жыл бұрын
@nvdirtbiker AMEN to Mo-Fi. They are still around and still make outstanding pressings. both 33.3 and 45 RPM.
@alzamonart4 жыл бұрын
I’ve got Dave Grusin’s “Discovered Again”. Now *that’s* what I expect a vinyl record to sound like. I know I’m probably setting the bar too high.
@taintedtannis4 жыл бұрын
I guess I must be a lucky one. Because the new vinyl I own is actually quality recordings. Some of them are re-releases of albums that were already out, but I digress. One of the new artists that I own albums of is Huntress. I was fortunate enough to meet Jill Janus before she passed away, not only that to be able to get her autograph on her 2nd album, Starbound Beast. I own both the CD and Record and the record definitely sounds much better than the CD. Of course, I also believe what type of stereo and speakers plays a difference in sound quality of the records, be they old or new. My system is a 1964 GE "short" model Console Stereo with 2 GE 1950's "Extended Range" speakers for external speakers. Outside of putting new sound deadening material in the speaker chambers and adding new Gold plated plugs and speaker wires to the 2 GE Extended Range speakers and changing needles on the record player, that's all I've done to it since I've owned it. I've had it since 2014 and I got it from the original owners who purchased it in 1964. After the upgrades I've done, the clarity and pureness of sound rivals that of Bose systems in my humble opinion.
@vladg52164 жыл бұрын
Modern vinyl is just bad quality. 80% of the discs I buy have at least one major defect - warp, off-center, clunking, scratches, etc. About digital mastering, of course I prefer all analogue pressings, but I will say one controversial thing - even records that were mastered digitally and then pressed to vinyl, usually sound better than their CD counterparts. Yes, they still sound a bit digital. But there is much less "digititis" because at the end of the day vinyl is a mechanical medium and an "interpretive" medium - meaning the analogue equipment adds a layer of interpretation to the signal. If you get a different cartridge, turntable, tonearm, phono preamp, etc, it will present the music to you slightly differently. So, yes, analog masters are better than digital masters, but even with digital masters, you can fine-tune the playback by using different equipment and get it to sound a bit more pleasant and natural. You won't get rid of all of the digititis, but you will make it a lot more bearable. You can't really do that with CD's most of the time. ANd when you can, it's because the particular DAC you are using is doing the same thing as a good phono cartridge does - it adds euphonic qualities to the sound. Most good DACS that make CD's sound passable have analogue output stages with tubes. So, I don't see why so many people single out vinyl lovers as being stupid because they are listening to a digital master. The analogue output stage in your favorite CD player is doing the same thing that my turntable, cartridge, and pre-amp are doing. They are interpreting the signal in a pleasant way. For more, read this - www.decware.com/paper20.htm
@fookingsog4 жыл бұрын
...and interestingly enough, I remember when CD's first came out and on the back of the carton/case, it would indicate DDD, DAD, or AAD which was how it was recorded, mixed & mastered, Analog or Digital for each stage. You could definitely tell a difference!!!😁👍🏻
@stephensmith31114 жыл бұрын
"Same as it was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was." -- Talking Heads Seek thee out and support the good guys of that 20%. This actually would beat Theodore Sturgeon's Law: "Ninety percent of everything is crap."
@NickP3334 жыл бұрын
Vlad G Very well said, and thank you for saying it.
@friedmule54034 жыл бұрын
I clearly understand the desire to get the ultimate audio experience and do even understand the amazing in the "hunt" for the next that can kick the sound a notch up. But I do simply not understand those who own a $10,000+ turntable and then buy new LP's. It's like buying PS Audio gear and then connect it to two dollar store speakers. :-)
@ericmc64824 жыл бұрын
I add to the discussion that all parts of audio systems are filters, but not filters in the usual form, ie RC, LC, RLC etc. Electronic stages and connecting cables are energy conduit stages, with each stage, each conductor, each dielectric and each component modifying the energy transfer rate by adding and deleting quantum current noises and according to the materials used in such stages. This quantum noise has many dependencies and causes many dependencies and is the highly variable 'signature' we hear in equipment items and cables AND system power (energy) source. To this end I have in development energy noise filter materials and forms that can be readily applied at strategic points in systems, preferably beginning at the system energy inlet (AC cable) and final energy outlet (speakers), next are energy handovers (connecting cables at entries and exits) and then within electronic equipment in strategic locations. Such 'bounding' of complete system and stages causes a 'synchronicity' in the system with overall system signature strongly according to the bounding material. For example if you were to completely cable a system with say Romex from wall socket to speaker terminals (and internally) and including interconnects you will have a system with overiding Romex signature because Romex synchronicity coupling dominates/ filters or reclocks one mode of energy transfer timing scatter.....the new system timing scatter will be one 'filtering' signature (system in unison) instead of a several mutually interacting signatures (typical crapshoot). Back to vinyl, with my fully treated system I have quite stunning 3d clarity and separation and natural attack/decay giving unique detail and precision and warmth and realism (yes all at the same time) that I can then modify actually 'renoise' at will. For example I can make my dac sound like vinyl and variable according to the donor record label/formulation/pressing, shellac is another variable modifier. This observation confirms preferences for particular vinyl labels and pressings. Which do I prefer ?..... I prefer my clean sound that indeed has no subjective current noise signature at all (unlike the Romex example), the two vinyl sounds are quite strongly coloured and distinctly different, one (quality 60s LP) diminishes low bass and adds a higher up bass boom/emphasis and the other vinyl (pop 80s 45) adds mids emphasis/subjective distortion. So systems are totally interactive and strongly dependent on the source sound, indeed transparent quiet good systems are critically dependant on the source of the source sound itself, this also goes for gold metalised CDs and deep red audio CDR sound different to standard CD. Next lecture, the subjective effects of conductor and cable directional properties.......
@navrasicsi4 жыл бұрын
I don't think digital recording can be blamed for the bad sounding albums. In my opinion sound quality is lost at a later stage of the music production like mixing and/or mastering most probably due to applying to much compression. Digital audio evolved to a level when human ear cannot differentiate anymore between good digital and good analgue devices. If digital audio is used by sound engineers and producers properly or not, it's another question. But I am pretty sure they would produce the same sh*t with analogue devices as well. :)
@giuseppenovella4 жыл бұрын
Well, i think there’s a lot of confusion...actually a lot of 80/90s music was recorded on Digital Machines ( DASH tapes or DAT, later HD). They where digital, stored a series of zeroes and ones before the actual printing. What’s wtong It’s not the “digital recording”or digital mixing...the DIGITAL CLIPPING is the worst enemy of today’s music. Digital clipping is a common practice in mastering since late 90s, when the loudness war started. Everyone want to sound louder than the others, so mastering engineer are pushed to hard limit and clip every single song to reach the loudest result possible ( as today there are songs wich are tied to -5Lufs or higher with no dynamics at all...that’s fool!). I’m a sound engineer: trust me, music sounds a lot better when loudness isn’t squashing its life
@chinmeysway4 жыл бұрын
sometimes recordings are being done with software (digital) alongside tape (analog). i suppose it’s just really hard to know which groups/ artists are doing this and if the vinyl is cut from the analog side of things (which digital is compared with often - though it’s also about real outboard gear vs plug ins etc etc)
@LeonEvans_Guyver14 жыл бұрын
I think you missed the most important issue. Everything is recorded today on a DAW. The entire signal chain is digital, the entire recording process is digital on a digital workstation and recorded to Hard Drives. There is no analog anymore. So the actual recording IS digital. when you write that to vinyl, you are simply writing a digital recoding to a vinyl medium. You essentially have a CD written to Vinyl.
@hudsonrobert494 жыл бұрын
100% Agree.
@legalize.brokkoli4 жыл бұрын
"The entire signal chain is digital" Wrong.
@ge34663 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I thought I was missing out on something with the vinyl craze. As a senior I have been through 8tracks, records, cassettes, CD's, mp3's, and invested in them all. Now I just stream Qobuz High Res on my Bluesound node and try to make it sound as good as it can. And these days it can sound pretty damn good. I am exploring music I never could before and believe it or not the price is right and I don't have a whole wall of media in my house either. I am betting that streaming digital will sound even better as time passes. For my old bones this will be good enough.....
@PeterCamberwick4 жыл бұрын
"Why does new vinyl sound digital?" ... er, because they are.
@hespassed8594 жыл бұрын
My name is Jeff
@mootbooxle4 жыл бұрын
I love your spirit and passion for audio quality!
@RebMordechaiReviews4 жыл бұрын
My first CD-Player and entry into teh world of CD HIFI was when I purchased the Philips CD-104 back in 1984. In direct comparisons with my friend's Linn Sondek LP12 with Basik LVX arm and AT-OC5 cartridge, played on the same Naim amp and Monitor Audio speakers, it was very much apparent that the same album played on the 104, sounded around 25% less volume.The sound was harsh, voices were thin and all the depth was missing. I soon exchanged the 104 and upgraded to the Mission PCM 7000 which was a great improvement with improved volume and fuller sound. The voices were fleshed out with better presentation of low frequencies. However, instruments on vinyl still sounded much more realistic and this was from my CD style Hitachi Direct Drive turntable with front draw. In 1986 I got rid of my Mission and sold off ALL my CDs. My colleagues at work though I was totally crazy! I bought an Lp12 with Ittok arm and AT OC9 cartridge and never looked back. I suppose I was the first of the flat earthers Vinyl cultist. Then I noticed something peculiar with the new releases of albums coming out in the late 1980s. The vinyl records started to sound overblown and stuffy whereas the CD versions were now playing back at higher volumes. I understood this to mean that the master recording was now being customised for CD format. You could tell a record produced pre-1985 and post 1985. So began my hobby of searching out for 1970s vinyl recordings. I particularly enjoyed the FFRR Decca classical recordings. it felt like you were actually in the concert hall amongst the musicians and could pick out the physical position of every single instrument on stage. despiteteh fact that CD did improve in teh late 1980s, the same recordings on CD format remained totally flat with no depth of field. Analogue somehow captures this information.
@blackdog62194 жыл бұрын
Most of my collection comes from used vinyl stores which have a lot(not all) older pressings. Just be sure to check condition of the record itself.
@mymixture9654 жыл бұрын
There is an easy solution, buy old vinyl, before the mid 80´s, guaranteed analog and yes you are right, new vinyl often sounds poor.
@kenmorley23394 жыл бұрын
I agree . I have found that there are fewer pops and crackles on s/h lps from the 80s than on vinyl reissues .
@1999zrx11004 жыл бұрын
Fat Rat Too bad, I kept mine and after a good cleaning they sound way better then the CD’s I have of the same album. Vinyl is king 👑
@joebloggs86364 жыл бұрын
@Fat Rat drugs kill
@joebloggs86364 жыл бұрын
@@1999zrx1100 agreed %100
@joebloggs86364 жыл бұрын
@Fat Rat are you high or just that stupid?
@mikaelhauk4 жыл бұрын
Wanted to add a comment here about streaming normalization. All major streaming platforms (spotify etc.) normalize audio now, adjusting loud recordings down to a set value (around -12dbs I believe). The reason they are so loud to begin with is that the music is compressed like hell. This is especially true with rock and metal music. HOWEVER - If you play a highly compressed track and a more dynamic track back to back on the same streaming platform, the dynamic track will sound louder by comparison because of that normalization, and so many audio engineers have stopped pursuing loudness in favor of dynamics now.
@markmalasics84134 жыл бұрын
Your video description is missing two words: "Why does new vinyl sound digital TO ME?"
@ChrisStoneinator4 жыл бұрын
It's not though, because it's not subjective. It IS a digital recording
@echodelta94 жыл бұрын
It's not just the loudness wars but the acoustical law of Pink Noise which fit nicely into the RIAA curve being violated and the modern sound of White Noise being "law" now. I heard years ago on The World Cafe John Couger explaining about a project he made, a roots rock album and he didn't like the sound of it. He played it on his iPod with an EQ setting called old records and liked it better than it sounded straight. He confronted the studio producer with this demo to say this is what I want my recording to sound like and the studio engineer said "we can't do that". This law of pink noise is something like this, 100 watts of bass matches 10 watts of midrange and 1 watt of treble matches the loudness of the whole mix. Now it's a level of equal amplitude (and increasing power to the treble) across the whole band, Orban Optimod everything now.
@bilguana114 жыл бұрын
And for all these bad reasons, vinyl is trendy.
@nickp15484 жыл бұрын
It's a lucrative bandwagon made possible by gullible idiots.
@johnnybravoski70484 жыл бұрын
Nick P-Indeed, and it's becoming more and more difficult to find ANYTHING that isn't these days.
@ryan.m.weisgerber4 жыл бұрын
Dude, you're so great. I love these videos. Thank you. 🙂
@777jones4 жыл бұрын
I can literally hear the Pro Tools in the latest Beatles remix of Abbey Road in vinyl.. barf!!!!!!
@bradhardisty16524 жыл бұрын
Oh, that really sucks.
@oo131193oo4 жыл бұрын
I just downloaded a Vinyl rip oft the original master publication/Version , just in case that i might want to listen to the original music instead of a "remastered" Version ...
@jamiehowarth5414 жыл бұрын
There was so much manipulation done to this record. A well remastered fairly flat transfer of the original using the latest in tape playback techniques would have sounded great, regardless of format,
@PetesCDVinylWorld4 жыл бұрын
In addition, aren't a lot of reissues just the digital version(CD) pressed on an LP also? meaning they're not pressed from the original tapes?
@RoastBeefSandwich4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much nothing is mastered in analog anymore, with rare exception.
@stephensmith31114 жыл бұрын
I actually have a fairly recent direct-to-disc LP by local heroes Josh Hoyer & Soul Colossal (2015): "Cooked Raw", recorded at Welcome To 1979 Studio, Nashville, TN. Darn good music, too (J. Gordon Holt's Law defied).
@mikeykeys4 жыл бұрын
Bought Bob Marley "legend" absolutely just the cd cut into vinyl. Worst record I own. I dont need scratches and pops on my cd.
@gojdartamas344 жыл бұрын
Because its digital, analogue master rare🤪
@gerryjamesedwards12274 жыл бұрын
So glad you referenced Daft Punk's dedication to quality audio. I think much of the crap comes down to the business side of the record industry, the remastered version of Dark Side Of The Moon is a case in point. Talented guys spent a long time in the stdio going through the old mixes, but somehow what got released was just not up to snuff. I heard much of that was down to one marketing executive standing over the mastering engineer and dictating what he thought the punters wanted to hear.
@SaraNZW4 жыл бұрын
Analog recording died in the 80s.Dead like an Elvis.
@venturarodriguezvallejo97774 жыл бұрын
And well died (but not properly buried).
@wade9984 жыл бұрын
More like the early 2000s. That's when tape started to be replaced.
@Tnapvrvideo4 жыл бұрын
is there a rule of thumb to follow with regards to buying albums where you will be assured that it's an analog album made from the original master tape? Perhaps don't buy anything made after a certain calendar year? Or some type of information written on the album cover that signifies true analog. Thoughts?
@mathieufleury67874 жыл бұрын
technicaly CDs dynamique rang is a way better than vinyl
@SSJfraz4 жыл бұрын
The dynamic range 'potential' is considerably better. But because of high levels of dynamic compression applied to these digital recordings before they are released to the public who just want things to sound as loud as possible. Masters on old vinyl record are generally far more dynamic, despite it's dynamic limitations.
@mathieufleury67874 жыл бұрын
@@SSJfraz that makes sens. So this is not the support witch is better but he recording philosophy. the public isn't the same I guess. Don't you think that it depends a lot from the music style and the artist? Not every music is mastered in the purpose of hight spl.
@now_its_dark4 жыл бұрын
Your critique of modern recording style is totally valid, but do you think it's very relevant to the actual question at hand in this case? What you mentioned toward the end about essentially re-using or only slightly adjusting the same master intended for cd / digital streaming seems like the main issue to me. Regardless of the character of the original recording and subjective preference for higher dynamic range or not, shouldn't any recording theoretically be adaptable to sound as good as it can through proper vinyl mastering (aka playing to the strengths of the medium) if the work is put in? And on a broader note- do you think the skill of mastering audio for vinyl is becoming a lost art, despite the popular resurgence of the medium?
@patthewoodboy4 жыл бұрын
no point in buying new vinyl when its been mastered in the digital domain.
@infesticon4 жыл бұрын
Well..... It depends oh who masters the vinyl. In the uk you have a vinyl mastering enginear called porky who signs his stuff in the run out grove. His stuff always sounds great. The prodigy singles he mastered sound great and that's digitally recored stuff and digital instruments and samples.
@RockLobster2234 жыл бұрын
There's very much a point in buying new vinyl, if all you have is a turntable! Otherwise you'd never be able to listen to any new music on it.
@patthewoodboy4 жыл бұрын
@@RockLobster223 you saying after all this time you dont have a means of playing CD's , amazing
@magnusbruce40514 жыл бұрын
Disagree. The vinyl medium is more than just the sound of the music itself. The tactile nature of putting a record on the platter, cleaning it and dropping the needle is worth something in of itself. Simply opening itunes on my computer and pressing play doesn't force me to engage with the music in the same way as picking out a record. Additionally, the new records I buy are mostly from small bands and the amount of profit they personally make on vinyl versus CD or tapes (they are still a thing!) is pretty good, so getting the vinyl is more effectively supporting those artists. Plus when they're really low number limited edition runs, you're buying into something exclusive which I am an absolute sucker for. Some new vinyl has been mastered well, I think. There's a raw black metal album I got last year that had to be remastered twice before it was released because more care needed to be taken to get it to work with the analogue format. As a result, it sounds notably better than other albums of a similar style where as far as I can tell someone took the mp3 version of the album and applied the RIAA curve (and even then, I'm not certain they did that!).
@KevinRodriguez-yv9hi4 жыл бұрын
MagnusBruce the main thing really is the file bit rate . As long as its not compressed below 320Kbps or lower ,It really does not matter whether its mastered in CD OR vinyl . 99.9% of people in the world cannot tell the difference between FLAC, WAV, and a 320KBPS file unless they have houndres of thousands of dollars invested in the proper equipment , wiring, sound acoustment treatment, tube amp, etc . But Vinyl has its value like you mentioned for its Aesthetic and nostalgic value .
@rods64054 жыл бұрын
You dont have to watch the clip. Its because there are no analog tape recorders anymore in fact all the vinyl (in Australia ) post 1983 was had its master stamper created from a digtal 16Bit tape. The vinyl maunfacturing process + playback just added noise and distortion.
@BOKOLIS764 жыл бұрын
Simply the whole recording process is in digital files transered to a vinyl. End of story
@phillipallen5564 Жыл бұрын
why does my eminem lp sound bad on vocals when theres a little bit of dust toward the end on the needle but ones from the 70s 80s have dust and they sound fine on vocals and everthing else
@harmono87664 жыл бұрын
Dude you took two minutes and 15 seconds to say something you could have said in 30 seconds.
@ItsRoyZinky4 жыл бұрын
@@jrvasquez maybe for some. But for people like myself. I could absolutely care less to listen to such a rant. I came for the title. At least give us the results then continue the filler.
@geofferzh794 жыл бұрын
The irony. Your paragraph could of been a simple sentence
@PeterRichardsandYoureNot4 жыл бұрын
So interested in this as im an 80s child but, man, The delivery pace is glacial.
@grambo44364 жыл бұрын
Make vinyl records great again. By bringing back dynamic, high fidelity and quality and just end this loudness war idiocy.
@brentfisher9024 жыл бұрын
The loudness war lasted longer than it needed to because in 2006 many portable audio playback devices had volume output levels weaker than the hot water in my bathroom shower. As in you better hoped you swatted every last mosquito in an anechoic chamber or you would only be able to hear a 0 DBFS square wave through the speakers....
@bubbly63794 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in who you're talking about when you say ~"these artists don't care about how it sounds" because I've never seen a community care more about the smallest details than the musicians I am friends with. They will spend *days* mastering a 3 minute track, and you can most definitely tell.
@markhull13664 жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder if those "artists" who don't care are the same ones who use autotune to sing. Maybe it's the real talent who cares.
@laurentzduba12984 жыл бұрын
Maybe Paul should ask Michael Fremer about Veruca Salt?🤔
@manFromPeterborough4 жыл бұрын
autotune is shit, I hope none of this is pressed to vinyl, no benefit, it would sound just as bad as the CD copy
@pault1514 жыл бұрын
I think he is incorrect about the comment that the car tuner was looking for strong signals. The strength of the FM signal being received has absolutely nothing to do with how much it's being modulated at that point. The FM sound volume depends on the amount of frequency modulation, not the strength of the signal. The tuner only looks for a strong carrier, not music that is loud. The person who controls which station gets played, however, may stop at the louder one.
@rods64054 жыл бұрын
Correctamundo Paul!
@neilvinyl4 жыл бұрын
Because the guys cutting the vinyl are all computer jockeys with no understanding of the analogue field or sound physics.
@dell1774 жыл бұрын
A few days ago you recommended a recording so I looked it up and played it on Amazon, not the best service but a good way to preview a track. The music was not to my liking but i did appreciate the quality of the recording. That track was laid down by someone who cared what it sounded like and that is not common these days. The popular trend is to compress and equalize a track till your ears bleed. I have tracks that were recorded in the 70's that someone took care with and although they are not as pristine and modern tracks they sound like music without the add ons that are all to popular today.
@thisisnev4 жыл бұрын
Vinylphiles: this long player sounds too digital! Also vinylphiles: we want more dynamics! Dynamic range of vinyl: 60-70dB Dynamic range of CD: 96dB Just throwing that out there, guys...
@johannkrist4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, bu through proper equipment vinyl still sounds betters, :o
@thisisnev4 жыл бұрын
@@johannkrist Ah, proper equipment. You mean a Dansette?
@dednside52294 жыл бұрын
Thier alot of other factors involved LP's can actually have superior Effective Dynamics than a DAC or CD player In fact dynamics is a big reason KZbin Hifivinylnews He talks alot about that and makes recommendations against under 10k dacs
@theovonskeletor37094 жыл бұрын
The bass on vinyl on mono too :/ and a lot of artists have to remove certain things from song to make it work on vinyl. :/ No thanks
@NickP3334 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Whittler Yes! Agree. Big fan of Ian, btw.
@DaveFlash4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, loudness mastering seems to be the norm these days, tv stations do it, radio too, even streaming services seem to do it, KZbin even applies some form of loudness equalizing to each upload. Even this one.
@birgerolofsson23474 жыл бұрын
I agree!! STOP IT!!
@Kamino4 жыл бұрын
The irony is in the underground electronic music world, vinyl releases sound fantastic because people take the process of releasing to vinyl extremely seriously - EP’s or albums will therefore be purposefully mixed to sound warm and will be well mastered (by an engineer who specializes in mastering for vinyl) - and therefore sound like ‘proper’ vinyl records, even though they were entirely created in a digital way.
@joebloggs86364 жыл бұрын
Its funny how the crap "artists" he mentioned "care" about the crap music they make..just saying
@ninjabluewings4 жыл бұрын
Hi did not actually say "crap artists" he said a lot of artists do not really care about how it sounds, there's a huge difference there 😏
@joebloggs86364 жыл бұрын
@@ninjabluewings well whoopie do....i said crap artists and i stand by it Einstien
@bk66784 жыл бұрын
Current pop / synth / “The Pulse” stars have never heard music on a decent system. The grew up listening on computer generated music on iPods, and since music was listed to on iPods there was no point in taking care in recording it. I recall seeing a picture of Frank Sinatra in his home listing to his high end system. I suspect he cared about the quality of what he listened to and cared about the quality of sound he created.
@echodelta94 жыл бұрын
He and Nelson Riddle did very much. The peak of the vinyl era!
@herman1955854 жыл бұрын
Had a copy of Phil Collins Face Value CD in the early 1990's. In the Air Tonight had a very dynamic sound. Misplaced it over the years and bought a greatest bit CD around 2015. Thought something was wrong with my stereo the wide dynamic sound was missing. Found out the song was remastered. The remastering killed the song for me. I don't enjoy it anymore. Wish I could find a old copy of the CD.
@flyingkillerrobots8774 жыл бұрын
Yes .. Discogs .. here’s a direct link. It looks like you can pick one up for $12. :) www.discogs.com/Phil-Collins-Face-Value/release/12635175
@grandiebob25004 жыл бұрын
I enjoy this channel. Linn (U.K.) ditched CD replay, committed to hi-res streaming and retained their turntable launched in 1973 providing an upgrade path for both. There’s a place for whatever format or mix of formats that give me enjoyment. There’s no absolutes in this.
@dankauffmanmusic4 жыл бұрын
I pressed a 45 10 years ago and we never touched a computer or digital effect. 2" tape-1/2" tape-Neumann lathe-wax. Made a difference. Cost 20x what I could have done on a PC but it was worth it.
@saintcole10854 жыл бұрын
The sourse of the recording matters a lot too digital work stations vs reel to reel and so on, the way people produce music has changed and is becoming more in the box but there are some of us still pushing the analogue sound and equipment and is still a huge market in the gear world
@McSlobo4 жыл бұрын
Apparently streaming services have started to work against loudness war by normalizing the music using LUFS. This means louder records suddenly sound weaker than dynamic ones because their amplitude is maxed to the LUFS ceiling, effectively just pulling their volume down, while dynamic recordings have sections when volume goes over the ceiling giving them much more oompf.
@lincoln3x74 жыл бұрын
He is 100 percent correct. I like collecting albums from 1985 and earlier when most recording studios were still analog. With new vinyl you have no way of knowing if they took mp3s or some other crappy format that was badly engineered to begin with and pressed a record from it. I would purchase new albums if they provided more information on how the material was sourced (sometimes they do). AND, he is correct that artists don't seem to care about how the music is recorded. But, I think the problem might also be that all those great recording engineers and producers from the 60s and 70s are gone. They came from an era of live sound and the electronics industry was competing to put out high quality sound equipment for the masses. Now a youtube video quality recording played on single speaker bluetooth device is the norm. So todays market for sound equipment is either crap or really high end... not as many companies build or market it anymore, so it cost more. Its worth it though. I still have a bunch of my old equipment I listen to... and I also enjoy the ease or searching up a youtube video of new song or playlist, but I know the difference of what it can sound like. Good video
@archivestereo4 жыл бұрын
You are correct as it’s all in the recording. Many years ago I recorded a favorite full analog lp onto recordable audio cd: a nice, expensive purpose built audio CD recorder for a stereo system. Long story short, it captured the essence of the analog recording. Good sources in, good sources out!
@kyledailey3 жыл бұрын
*Don't you mean; Not "Loud", but over powering the amps, causing clipping of the top of the music signal's wave form?*
@johnhoie-hj7cg13 күн бұрын
Can you make great sounding vinyl from digital recordings? Most of my recorders are older ones mastered from analog tapes. The few records I have from digital masters sound dry.
@matldn26974 жыл бұрын
Many years ago I bought some new vinyl records, classical music. It was originally a CD recording transferred to vinyl. That was 1993!!
@gvi3419844 жыл бұрын
Master molds are made with modern cnc machines giving you that near CD quality. You can easily add the fuzz effective onto the cnc
@mikechivy2 жыл бұрын
Vinyl that sounds like a CD is awesome if its done right. It adds a tiny bit of warmth, while maintaining the crispness of the bass. Especially bass heavy tracks.