why does the snow white movie look so bad... 😬

[@emb3863]

I've seen cosplayers with a budget of a few dollars a paperclip and a dream create costumes with better design and quality materials than this, it is shameful

[@evaphillips2102]

This!

[@tiamystic]

FR I’ve seen a gorgeous Snow White dress on Pinterest and I’m crying that it’s not in the movie 😭

[@EerilyMidnight]

If I could cosplay as snow white at least I would try to look like her though I can't change my skin color

[@lhumyaki]

for real i feel like the snow white dress i got as a kid looked better than the one in that movie x)

[@rcfamily8993]

look at Alexandra Louise's its so beautiful

[@tendercrocketts]

That party city dress killed it for me. $100M and they came up with THAT??

[@mchjsosde]

The dress unfortunately looks ridiculous 😢 it could have looked so nice with deep colors and nice fabric/texture mixing

[@Claire_Loves_Music]

Same with the wig

[@jocelantonettetenoc5996]

I swear, I have seen cosplayers do better on a lower budget than Disney themselves.

[@abrenn]

@@jocelantonettetenoc5996 cosplayers HAVE done better lmao

[@ishathakor]

frrr the literal disney parks snow whites have better costume and hair.. wtf are they doing

[@reviewsbyjacob9350]

I really don't understand the logic of doing a "live action" remake only to have ninety percent of what winds up on screen be CGI.

[@msk-qp6fn]

This is why Cinderella 2015 is basically the only Disney live action remake I love without any major qualms.

[@storageheater]

actors are expensive and messy and have costs that extend into their personal lives and scheduling conflicts in a way that computer animators (and voice actors) don't. The logic is there, but none of this is for the audience, none of this is for art, it's barely even for entertainment.

[@briannalee1998]

Right?!

[@BiancoAsterisco]

CGI pros don't have unions like traditional animation artists and actors

[@qwirkt]

By 2027 the reshoots will have turned this into a fully hand-drawn animated movie.

[@LaraOlina]

08:51 I personally think this is a really bad take from disney. Even if the characters are CGI, doesn't change the fact that they are being perceived as dwarfs/little people by the audience. Instead of hiring real people, disney now tells its audience that its okay to replace them by CGI animated versions, when they could have as well helped little people be more humanized through the story in the movie to impressionale audiences like kids as well. Changing the characters to CGI doesnt change the fact they are little, it just steals working opportunities from the actual group affected.

[@miticaBEP07]

Next Disney movie starring Shudu Gram

[@j897j]

Yeah that's a good point too

[@ShootingStarStudio]

Especially with the AI crap going around.

[@ClarkBK67]

“Don’t kids deserve better than this?” is when I hit subscribe. I used to work in media aimed at tweens and we never thought “Oh. It’s just for kids.” We strived to make it as great as possible.

[@artbytesia]

"Any children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest." --C.S. Lewis

[@ruminationstation4200]

"why does Disney keep acting like being in love makes a woman weak?" Another banger video as always

[@aquaarietta]

It's really a miracle we got Cinderella 2015.

[@mariamnasser8807]

@@aquaariettaI know, it was genuinely an amazing film that cared about the original version while making great changes that improved the story

[@iriemonmon]

She ate so bad with that line!!

[@CircumstancesNeverMatter]

Isn’t it weird! I want absolutely nothing to do with the toxic agenda. I don’t wanna be a “powerful woman” I want to bake cookies and be taken care of by husband and give birth. That’s my current life and I wouldn’t trade it for Disney or any other weird agendas

[@stef6319]

Maybe because most men are evil. Not every love story has a happy ending. Some are betrayals.

[@njschulze514]

So fun fact that isn’t super fun: Disney’s big push to 3D animation was in part due to the fact that the 2D animators are unionized whilst the new at the time 3D animation wasn’t. They killed a massive part of their legacy to save a quick buck on artists.

[@sapphic.flower]

Now all animators are striking and unionizing so I wonder what Disney is gonna look like now... Just AI? 💀💀

[@manamana13207]

@@sapphic.flower They’ll Probably hire not unionized Workers who are then overworked or will be used to correct the worst of the AI-Stuff

[@G13566]

Yep! This is also unfortunately currently true for CGI artists, and part of the reason why CGI is so prevalent even where it isn’t necessarily needed.

[@kipolem53]

I heard they are outsourcing to other countries so that they don't have to deal with 3D animators in unions.

[@njschulze514]

@ that’s what they did for Moana 2, and judging by the success, they’ll keep doing it

[@ashlismith8596]

The better question is, what's going on with Disney, period? It's like they're getting worse and worse by the minute, especially with the poorly made remakes. I'm grateful to have grown up watching the classics.

[@Waspinmymind]

Capitalism like late stage capitalism.

[@fusetunes]

yep, the magic is gone. i grew up admiring the way they pioneered animation in america and went to art school partially because of their movies. seeing them treat the medium like this is genuinely heartbreaking. i think there was a tweet around the time that wish came out that said something like “they’ve capitalismed too close to the sun” which sums it up pretty well

[@SnapeArgento]

I mean they really are not following the steps of walt disney for sure and I think part of what made Disney so good were his values and passion, now it's all money and zero creativity or experimentation, even those movies that were not a successful (I'm talking money wise) are so important in modern days, like rapunzel and the princess and the frog, they really could've done snow white a horror movie and wasted that opportunity, for what? another girlboss story and ugly cgi, I'll watch the musical twisted cause they did a better story and with less movie and sources

[@dragonsman4733]

Two words 'identity politics' they really took to the DEI policy in 2019, and suddenly that became the only reason to invent movies. Not because they wanted to make lots of money, or bringing good stories out. which is why we've got a snow not white, with seven Cgi abominations.

[@Beelzebubby91]

Stage 5 terminal capitalism

[@StickyNote3000]

13:14 why does she look more like Snow White on the left than she does when actually playing Snow White?

[@letguelere1102]

her lips are RED!!!!

[@JuzefaWingedCat]

Also because the dress and hair looks better

[@SaladFingersFangirl]

My exact thought

[@RanposPowderedDonuts]

Because her lips are red, her hair looks darker and her skin seems paler

[@elpis_ezechiel]

"It's for kids" comment / justification just makes me angrier. Well YES it's for kids, and kids deserve better. Kids will be growing and become future adults and we need to treat them as human being and provide quality entertainment for their learning brain. One should strive for even better quality in kids movies. And also stop thinking that kids are some kind of dumb, idiot sub-human specie or something. Kids deserve better. "It's for kids" isn't a good justification for making cheap or stupid things. Do these people get that it's actually worse ?

[@artbytesia]

Yeah, that argument is exactly why they should focus on making them high-quality, BECAUSE they're for kids and BECAUSE kids don't know any better. It's a counterintuitive but very effective technique.

[@JuliaSully]

Still trying to understand why CGI now looks way worse than 15-20 years ago…

[@youngandrestlessjean3634]

Lack of color saturation. It's what MG said in this video: there is this grey/yellow/dark digital filter layering in almost every new film. It sucks and doesn't look good. Watch the og Superman films from the 80s and you'll marvel at the color and clarity.

[@Waspinmymind]

Lack of unions. The workers aren’t treated well enough to make it look good.

[@titaniummiasma]

@@youngandrestlessjean3634it’s also a difference between film and digital. Digital has more detail, but often flattens color, and doesn’t blend light. Versus film, where red will pop out at out and you get that glow on the skin. For example, next time you’re watching a movie, try to look for sequins. On digital, you’ll see sequins. On film, you’ll see stars.

[@AnnaWillo]

$$$$$

[@nickjoy6389]

Time and Money! And the push that executives force “realistic” coloring for live action remakes! And it all has to do with the Jungle Book remake. (Which I liked a lot) but now all of these live action movies are being forced to look real and not have artistic direction.

[@EvalastingRainbow]

My mouth dropped when I heard the hand drawn animation team was PERMANENTLY (I hope not forever) SHUT DOWN IN 2013? It's such a dying craft and to know Disney of all companies did that is shocking 😞

[@ryanleikness3414]

And considering Hayao Miyazaki always stuck to and continued to innovate on traditional hand drawn animation, yeah I agree

[@trika91]

I heard it was one of the contributing factors in why Tangled, Moana, and Wish weren’t 2D. Those projects started with the intention of being 2D animated, but the powers that be (time constraints, pressure to use new technology, few animators) made them make it 3D. It wasn’t just the fact that Disney higher ups were pushing for 3D/CG cause it was “easier” and (the most important part) faster to animate, but since they let go of their 2D division there wasn’t enough animators to actually make the films 2D (they only have a few 2D animators left to make short films, not feature length); so they’re pretty much stuck making strictly 3D films cause they no longer have the resources (ie. not wanting to put in the time and effort to find/hire/train 2D animators) to make 2D films, even if they originally wanted to.

[@tirea277]

Hand drawn animation isn’t a dying craft. I’d say 60% of Eastern animation is hand drawn. Don’t worry.

[@im_an_oyster]

I am certain it's not going to be permanent. Disney has made it very clear they're only about money, and with all this anger over live action they're going to start turning to other things. A number of people are saying they should go back to the classics (2D animation), and I think that number is growing with every lackluster cashgrab they release. If/when they think 2D will make profit, they'll go running back, tail between their legs.

[@LunatheMoonDragon]

Huh? How did you think they still had a hand drawn animation team? They haven't put out any hand drawn animations in over a decade...

[@supernerd3521]

“Why does Disney keep acting like being in love makes a woman week” - YES!!! That was why I was so obsessed with Megara and Mulan when I was younger. They fell in love but they were still these strong and tough women. It’s not great to show women as only destined for romance, but it’s also not great to show that these feats can only be achieved without it.

[@veta0104]

@supernerd3521 they also each saved each other which was amazing to me! Two people who love each other making sacrifices for each other! They were a team!

[@TheHanyuuuuu]

Its like their "feminism" is actually how a 60+ years old patriarch imagine feminism. "Remember how all feminists are men-despising uglies who only love their pets? I was told that's how all young girls are now, so make a protagonist like that"

[@qwirkt]

It’s not like male action protagonists never fall in love

[@funtimeLJ6789]

Me with Tiana cause I love her

[@WildZephyr]

ikr? I think that being in love can make a woman stronger... fighting for what she loves.

[@jilldlc4423]

The fact that Bob Iger decided to close down the hand-drawn animation department in favor of profits is a huge slap in the face to the legacy of Walt Disney. Executive need to stay out of the creative process. When creative have room to breathe, that's how great films are made.

[@artbytesia]

Why is he being such a jerk?

[@siobhanflanagan4339]

What if Disney instead portrayed a happy healthy relationship between its characters ?? Ik this is a wild idea. Portraying a healthy support system between two people in a romantic relationship showing kids hey this is what love should be !!

[@CatalinaBenitez-r9r]

I agree with changing Rachel’s look. I wish she could’ve given her black hair, red lips, along with a 1930s/40s hairstyle. In reality Rachel looks nothing like Snow White in this new movie. She has no red bow, her costume design doesn’t look good and her hair doesn’t look pretty

[@foxesofautumn]

The 30's style would look really nice on her. She actually has the ideal face shape for it but they gave her the most busted, limp wig. Any mid-level cosplayer could do better by her. That skirt is atrocious too. All they'd have to do is swap it out for some delustered satin and it would look far more expensive and closer to the texture of a drawing. Add a red lip and you have your Snow White.

[@ruminationstation4200]

I do not understand how they approved the bob. Its SO bad.

[@chi-chan8431]

@@foxesofautumn I think a deeper blush would have worked for contrast as well!^^

[@diamondinmyeye6160]

​@@foxesofautumn I doubt it's a wig. Her hair was that length for the initial press tour. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[@Shreyaa_03]

For real! No offense to actress, she would've looked a lot like her with a nice attire and similar makeover. Here she looks nothing like how Snow White is. Making her look like her would have been so much better despite of how bad the animation would be . I can't see her as Snow White unless I force myself, which is going to take away everything from the movie.

[@euuda8267]

the color palette makes it look like ai..

[@lauren6509]

I thought the movie weirdly looked AI as well. Until we boycott an originality will continue to get this. Pixar had an amazing run with Soul, Turning red and Luca. All original stories with original characters. They didn't make a lot of money due to the pandemic however it'll be a part of Pixar's portfolio!

[@mchjsosde]

They used to pay people to color the movies because the technology was different. Now it really does look like they put a flat filter on it.

[@macaronisex]

It REALLY does… wow. It’s like actually embarrassing how literally history’s biggest movie studio’s remake of their first film looks worse than most KZbin videos

[@AllHisEngines]

You hit the nail right on the head.

[@IwonaKlich]

​@@lauren6509honey youre a grown up women. This movie is not even made for you, so nobody cares that you watch it or not. Millions of 6-8 years old girls honestly dont care of color saturation :)

[@MadameDinoLady]

Still disappointed that they got it PERFECT with Cinderella in 2015 but then learned nothing about what actually made that retelling successful.

[@zaramel4694]

Didn't even take notes from Kenneth Branagh

[@Jennifer-cb1uu]

I'm so glad that everyone is on board with that. Cinderella was such a good remake. It was beautiful, added some pretty little flourishes, and kept the heart of the original. Honestly, i actually feel they made the remake Cinderella character even kinder and sweeter, and it went over so well. I did not like the personality of animated Cinderella, but i really enjoy how admirable the remake personality is. And omg casting matters so much. Lily James was perfect.

[@Scarleto]

seriously. for me, cinderella and maleficent were the only worthwhile products of this live action redo boom. they both expanded on the original stories, plucked and prodded and played, and used the tools of live action to their best effects. the costume design was also 10/10. i haven't seen the new cruella movie because of the flashing lights but that seems to be in a similar vein at least from what i've gathered of it. everything after that is giving cheap, paint by the numbers cash grab. im becoming convinced that these movies exist purely to launder money into producers and executives pockets.

[@MadameDinoLady]

@Scarleto I also really liked Cruella. It's more like Maleficent in that it's more of a reimagining rather than a retelling. Emma Stone and Emma Thompson are both fantastic in it. But that's the only one in recent years I've really enjoyed.

[@msk-qp6fn]

Finally Cinderella 2015 getting more visible recognition and appreciation. I was so sick of everyone saying it's boring and nothing special.

[@starzwazhere]

i think it’s great if we have diversity but what if we used it for new films? and as an obsolete feminist falling in love does not equal weakness.. also mulan was a strong person in the original

[@lpssuperproductions]

In the wake of Wicked, Disney could make The Hunchback of Notre Dame a powerhouse of a live action musical especially with the added songs from the musical stage adaptation. They could improve on the tone on the animated classic and really add depth to Quasimodo. With Notre Dame reopening now too, I feel like there’s a strong marketing campaign you could make out of Notre Dame’s rebirth.

[@mingbotlarue5694]

If you told me that Disney had decided to make "Women's World" by Katy Perry the theme song to their live action princesses, I'd not even question it being real.

[@SuriyaLinhStudios]

STOPPPPPP

[@nat-cj8be]

sadly true😭😭

[@danycashking]

or if snow white breaks out into Beyonce's Run The World (Girls) mid-movie shaking those shoulder pieces

[@Doctorrr_]

You scared me for a moment, I almost thought it was real LOL

[@DewelynC]

I understand the need for diversity, but is there seriously no stories to tell from anywhere else but Europe??? They just swap POC actors to portray characters of European stories to tick boxes. Just imagine how amazing stories we could get from different cultures.

[@ladyvader2648]

Exactly!!! So many folklore and myths from different cultures. Especially in my country!!

[@HiHi-lt1cb]

That's why Encanto was so good!!

[@Feliciathedoll]

I'm really getting sick of the 'swapping POC actors to portray characters from Europe' Schtick. It's really pissing me off.

[@annabeinglazy5580]

Tbh i would Like to Point Out Here that Disney Stories wouldnt really be considered "from Europe". Like Sure theyre based on european fairytales, but they have been given the Disney Treatment so throughly that the whole outrage about poc in "european" Stories Just Rings racist to me. Sorry, theyre Not european Stories. Theyre American. Please dont use us as an excuse to be racist. Case in point: Disneys Hercules. With the commentary on Merchandise, turning Hercules into basically a Basketball Star of the 90s, the CHOIR which is very very obviously American. Other example: little Mermaid. It's a Mermaid in a non descript ocean. She could be anywhere. Just because Andersen wrote the Story, she doesnt have to be swimming in the north sea. And lets Not even mention the jamaican crab that was definetely Not anywhere in the "original" Story. I find their Casting in recent year frustrating because theyre Just throwing actors of colours under the Bus instead of actually being progressive, but PLEASE lets Stop pretending those Stories are anything but US American, and as such, the colourblind Casting does make Sense to me, because it reflects the US

[@Crawlingdreams418]

I think these raceswaps are just a more discreet hint of racism. They don't seem to believe that racial minorities can have ips about their cultures and have these ips become successful. This is a nonsensical point, ofc, as Lilo and stitch, encanto, Moana, etc were very successful. Heck, gene roddenberry risked getting his show taken off the air over an interracial kiss. Now there are no such risks, the execs are just lazy

[@JennyWijaya-r6h]

The line where "don't kids deserves better?" Really hit deep in me and i wish that those money hungry executive hear this everyday, anytime

[@Belelelekake]

Bro they have Snow White the Lord Farquad cut I’m so sad

[@-ix-3152]

13:13 She looks more like Snow White here in the picture on the left than she does in the remake

[@Angelrebels8]

I still ask the question - why don’t they remake Disney films where it wasn’t a hit - the black cauldron with the style of game of thrones - it would get a lot families wanting to see the movie

[@rosepetalz3021]

This!! Or even Anastasia (since they own the rights now, I think) both are set in realism and wouldn’t need a lot of cgi. They could also bring back puppets and animate those, rather than just cgi.

[@rodrigorousseau562]

Because that means no money

[@cityboy2092]

Because that would be a risk and require creativity and we can't have that

[@zarabee2880]

Oooh I’d watch the sh*t out of that!!! That sounds amazing

[@mateleacloverae]

Because they are cashing on nostalgia first and foremost. Everyone knows Snow White, it's a classic. It's familiar. People will go and see it, even with moderate marketing. Not a lot of people know the Black cauldron. Disney would need to put more towards advertising it, and there won't be nostalgia bringing people in. On the note of imagining what could be... Atlantis would be so cool as a life action/CGI movie! It already has a diverse cast too and putting more focus on Kida as the main character wouldn't be that odd imo. She and Milo were already sharing the spotlight in the OG movie.

[@thegayghost872]

Sometimes it feels like Disney is ashamed of their old movies

[@hazeltade3679]

I want them to just direct like 90% of that sentiment towards Pocahontas where it’s deserved

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

They're not ashamed. They're angry that the older movies have a better legacy than there own.

[@ryanleikness3414]

The question is.... why? Why be ashamed of things that are so beloved and remake them? 💵 💲 Oh. Yeah. That.

[@lilwinborne]

Don’t understand why we all love them! Fair point though

[@foxesofautumn]

I mean... we won't be getting a remake of Song of the South (rightly)

[@AlixFiori]

What I don't understand with the Dwarves situation is... what stereotypes from the first movie were they trying to avoid? IMO they were 7 good friends, a great team, very hard working and helpful dwarves so... Not a single bad thing they reflect in the whole movie ¿?

[@folfelit]

It's likely the tiny, cramped houses, working in caves and being emotionally and intellectually simple - treating little people like kids or - worse - magical beings equivalent to talking animals. It would be much, MUCH better to give them a bigger house (they bring home precious gems all day! If they can't build, they can certainly buy!) Give their career some respect if you show it at all (make the operation more complex, have dedicated tools that imply intelligence and preparation, etc. ) and the most important, give them actual personalities and *names*, not a single emotion (or however you define sneezy and doc) for both. Even if you have a grumpy guy, let him have a real name (have snow call him grumpy *once* if you need to make the reference) and give him something else to him. Maybe he handles the finances, whatever - just a personality is not a big ask. The original dwarves were very empty characters, very much not something a little actor could flex their chops with without going out of "character" with their one emotion. That's the trouble though, Disney tends to make huge, nonsense casts these days and spend NO time characterizing them. Wish was the same flavor of empty nothing. No one has wants and dreams, they just take action so plot can happen because there is no character, no personality to inform their choices.

[@victoriam.4927]

​@@folfelit The house wasn't tiny, mining is a perfectly respectable profession & was treated as such, the dwarves *did* have personalities (tho some had more focus than others) and were never treated as being "simple" besides Dopey. That's part of what made the original film so progressive for the time: While there is some humor from the dwarves bc they're the og Disney sidekicks, none of the characters ever treat them like they're lesser & in the climax, they're the heroes who leap into action to save Snow White & to chase down the Evil Queen.

[@secakaizenart]

@@folfelityou watched the movie with your eyes closed.

[@howUdo]

for real, somebody shut peter dinklage up who does he think he is. he doesnt represent the entire dwarfism community. i ve seen many videos of them expressing dismay over this failed oppurtunity to be represented and/ or wanting to be a part of it it. also the drawves situation is ultimately my biggest reason to know this is shit.

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

In this economy, plenty of Americans are already seven adults living together

[@CrazyEmojiOne]

4:42 if Walt saw Disney today he would be heartbroken… 💔

[@audreykos5683]

You had me until you started calling the viewers racist. Having conservative views does not make one racist. And Snow White was described in the book as having "skin white as snow, lips red as blood, and hair dark as ebony." Changing things just for the sake of changing them is not always the best idea.

[@EugenioScamardella]

"Living in a cave together"? Am I the only one who remembers a cozy two-store cottage complete with eat-in kitchen, a pantry with enough food to prepare a dinner for eight, fireplace, running water, decorated furniture, musical instruments (including a lovely pipe organ) and a spacious bedroom?

[@avalasialove]

I think Dinklage just thinks miners are dirty and low class.

[@FairyBogFather]

@@avalasialove that's a gross misunderstanding of his point

[@NotaShorty]

@@FairyBogFather Then what was his point? Gatekeeping the roles from other actors with dwarfism?

[@FairyBogFather]

@@NotaShorty he was advocating for little people and people with dwarfism to get better roles in films--roles other than Snow White's dwarves, which is one of the only ways they have gotten mainstream representation. He doesn't think little people and people with dwarfism should only play magical creatures. I think that's pretty reasonable.

[@NotaShorty]

@@FairyBogFather It is, 100%. I don’t think that’s a wrong thing to want or anything like that. It’s just to me, it was like he was cutting off an opportunity for actors with dwarfism to get a larger role period. If I could remember the exact video that covered the topic, I would, but it had an interview with someone who also had dwarfism who disagreed with Dinklage.

[@AnnaWillo]

Honestly I refuse to give them any money until they throw Bob Iger directly into the trash

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Buddy, I'll help you lift him up for that throw.

[@foxesofautumn]

Oh same. I haven't paid to see one of their remakes for years. Why would I want to see a drab version of a film I've already seen?

[@ratlinggull2223]

Luigi needs to return for this.

[@twotruckslyrics]

@@ratlinggull2223luigi

[@BleachBasket108]

​@@ratlinggull2223the hero we need but don't deserve

[@lilycannon9774]

I'm so pissed how they're failing these actresses who would look good in literally anything with poor costume design. Also for Rachel Zegler's Snow White, why didn't they do a Roman Holiday-esque Audrey Hepburn pixie cut? It would mimic the original look and give it that modern edge. I'd kill for more princesses with short hair. Literally no one would look good with the hairstyle they gave her in the 2025 film.

[@creatinotionchannel2680]

Like Kimberly Williams in the Tenth Kingdom

[@primrosett]

It annoys me because the terrible styling makes them fodder for racists to use as "proof" their casting was wrong. Disney keeps casting beautiful WoC for these movies then styling them like crap and dropping them into uninspired, lifeless projects that puts a massive target on their backs. Both Rachel and Hallie were (and are) the targets of huge hate mobs and Disney does nothing to protect them.

[@neredya7605]

@@primrosettis Rachel a woman of color?

[@butterflyindisguise3838]

@neredya7605 Half latina half white, I was surprised to find out there was so much hate over how she looks when she could be white passing.

[@neredya7605]

@@butterflyindisguise3838 white people can be latino, it's not a race

[@ngchloe4877]

"I'm not gonna punish the actress for it when there are dozens og money hungry executives who should be taking the blame instead," THIS

[@dw1419]

I mean she's made plenty of missteps herself including her unhinged political rants and wishing that the majority of US voters "never know peace"

[@EmperorPiplup]

@@dw1419 Supporting Trump a man with multiple rap# allegations and is a convicted felon lol, she wasn't wrong, and anyways she apologized i thought conservatives were against cancel culture?

[@mochiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

you completely missed the ball, the reason people don’t like her is because of her arrogance and the disrespect she has to the original snow white

[@Not_Always]

☝🏽☝🏽

[@hihi-pl4ye]

The way I was waiting for it just for it to not be mentioned 😭

[@elizabethchint2391]

@mochiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii You're being obtuse. She got racist backlash after she was cast and then trumpublicans started a massive hate campaign against her because she cussed out trump.

[@ikkajdfkjakhnabodkafl]

who cares about that she's talking about the product which is the film

[@EmperorPiplup]

Ngl this is still a dumb reason because her liking or disliking wouldn't change the quality of the LA movie

[@absolutelynotellen]

With this discussion, we all agree for one thing, *Disney should stop remaking movies.*

[@GiaCherubini249-v9t]

Yes

[@iseetheWAYVision]

please

[@Erasureeraser]

And yet recently they just found a director and writer for a live action remake of Tangled, congrats

[@absolutelynotellen]

​@@Erasureeraser yikes.

[@rodrigorousseau562]

They literally anounced Tangled

[@Unsociable12]

My biggest disappointment with newer Disney movies is the bland same characterisation of all the princesses we get. Snow White was my favourite princess as a kid because I was a shy homebody who liked to bake and I loved the idea of having cute animal friends who would make pies with me! I genuinely am sad that there aren't a variety of princess characters for kids these days, they're all quirky tough girlbosses. Some kids like those characters, a bunch of my friends loved Mulan because of that. But some of us liked the shy quiet characters who won because they were sweet and kind!

[@imjustanotherjess]

I couldn’t agree with you more - I wish that there were more quietly confident female characters in blockbusters these days! Girlboss-ness is fine, but we don’t all fit into that mould. Karolina Żebrowska has a video about this exact topic talking about the newest Persuasion adaptation if you’re interested ☺️

[@Unsociable12]

@@imjustanotherjess I love Karolina's videos! And I also love Persuasion (the book, not the Netflix movie), gets me right in the heart.

[@randdiamond8090]

“Won”? Won what? She’s a female royal, guess what her primary duty is, now that she’s a property of a dude.

[@yourfuturewaifu9061]

This warmed my Grinch heart and I'm tearing up a bit. That was so sweet.

[@nicolejordan5977]

Yes! I would love to see a more positive and feminist version of Snow White and Cinderella that KEEPS their core traits. All kinds of women exist and Cinderella and Snow White are strong in their own ways. Quirky is not bad and it’s great to show that kind of women! But I feel that what Merida and Elsa did well has now been commodified into the one acceptable character of women which is, though at least uplifting independence, almost back to the original complaints.

[@ryanc5572]

I think they should've used real little people instead of those CGI monstrosities. That would've been actual representation and cast a light on people that are often overlooked in cinema.

[@MsJayteeListens]

I think everyone interpreted Dinklage’s comments as ‘don’t cast little people, but I don’t think that’s what he’s saying. I think his point was about the story, where the dwarves are nothing but props for Snow White and have no personality, just these ridiculous names. If they had actually turned them into real characters then casting little people wouldn’t have been an issue. There was a version of Snow White that I saw discussed in an earlier video on this channel, where the seven characters weren’t dwarves, but one is Snow White’s love interest. You could do that while casting little people.

[@rinmartell2678]

@@MsJayteeListenseveryone interpreted Dinklages comments correctly. Dinklage is the best known little men actor. Hollywood keeps casting him for little men roles. He erased potential competition. Dinklage is not a nice person in general and the other little men actors actually complained about his behavior

[@vkiran3576]

​@@rinmartell2678 Do you really think Disney studios was scared of one actor and that he is the reason the dwarves are cgi now? Seriously?

[@Gfriend_Buddy99]

Nahh... They probably thanks him for letting them used CGI than actually giving opportunity to little people..much less hassle, and if they made any mistake... They can throw the animators down the bus ​@@vkiran3576

[@juli8288]

@@vkiran3576 Well, Disney did release a statement after Dinklage’s comments that said they wanted to avoid reinforcing stereotypes so they would take a different approach to the dwarfs in the movie. So yes, his comments are the reason why we have CGI dwarfs lol

[@sarahd1250]

Why get rid of love stories instead of portraying real, wholesome, and healthy relationships

[@rohanlerenard7972]

2:04 That makes no sense. I was born in 2000 but happily watched 1937's Snow White. All 2D disney are ageless.

[@zoecurtis2908]

Not everybody's going to remember the older movies to show them to their kids, but at the same time I absolutely adored Cinderella and look at how much older that one is than this kid born in 2001.

[@hobari7568]

The lack of red bow makes me sad

[@lavenderplace8591]

me too!

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

At least give her a red headband. Thick headbands are coming back in style!

[@alexandrialeonora6542]

True! That might actually have saved the hairstyle… 😲

[@blueblack3591]

True

[@princesspearl9131]

I think she has it for couple of minutes before she looses it in the woods 😢

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I recently watched Ever After. You can do a "grounded" semi realistic fairy tale movie and it'll look good. Hollywood just refuses to and everyone who works in the cinematography and production and VFX suffers.

[@absolutelynotellen]

The way I thought you talked about Ever After High in the beginning 😭😭 too bad they're canceled

[@BeautyKhaleesi]

Ever After is my favorite retelling a Cinderella and I have read many copies of the origin fairy tales are darker versions. Theres some other beloved retelling movies but Ever After is perfection. I also have the dvds of Monster High and Ever After High that my kid watches. The live action Monster High was ok, very tween oriented similar to the Disney tween live action shows.

[@simplyrire]

same i loved that cute series dare i say better than some disney creations ​@@absolutelynotellen

[@kaatyblue]

Ever After was a childhood staple for me, Drew Barrymore was my hero lol and it still looks so fucking good, it's amazing how much it holds up, same as other 90's bangers like The Craft and Clueless. Even comedy movies in the 2000's like Mean Girls and White Chicks looked so good compared to what movies that aren't artsy/ Oscar dramas look like today. I put Ever After in the same category as The Secret Garden, Fairy Tale: a true story and A Little Princess in terms of live action/ realistic yet whimsical aesthetic and tone

[@Itcouldbebunnies]

The Tenth Kingdom was also amazing, and that was made for tv!

[@faithwhite4345]

They aren’t trying, they don’t care. They just want money. That’s what it boils down to. All the imagination and love for film the studio used to have has been replaced by an insatiable greed, which kills creativity.

[@biazacha]

Worst than that, they aren’t doing it for money but to create enough market speculation so their shares keep a high value. There’s literally nothing there other than hoarding virtual wealth.

[@laurynnnsmith]

1) Rachel's hate is not due to her race for the most part. it's her ungrateful attitude and open dislike for the source material. 2) it's kinda rude to protect rachel and then say that gal isn't a good actress, also gal has been in much more than wonder woman and fast and the furious

[@renee000]

The people who try to excuse their hatred towards her with those excuses are full of crap because it’s not that serious - she certainly is not the first person to speak about the problematic/outdated elements of old disney movies, and she has expressed love for snow white/disney multiple times. We wouldn’t believe it was about race if right-wing white people on twitter weren’t obsessively complaining about it everyday. And it’s not “rude” to have an opinion about someone’s acting ability. Clearly you just have an issue with Rachel.

[@ganasde65]

She hasn't commented on the movie in over 2 years. Her "ungratefulness" is blown way out of proportion by outrage accounts who fixate on these interviews she gave 2 years ago. She's excited to play the character.

[@chelyvi7466]

​@renee000 She expressed her "love" for the character because she was forced after all the backlash she received for her awful comments 2 years ago, it's like she didn't even understood the gravity of her "honesty" and how made her look like an ungrateful brat. Besides saying that comment about her co-star diminishing his participation? Also her comments about hopping Trump's supporters not finding peace? why some people still defend this girl?? What more do you need to see how she really is?

[@chelyvi7466]

​@@ganasde65All she has done is trying to fix her mistakes after the pressure of the company that she work for because all the things she said 2 years ago, but she is not honest now, its like she is reading an script writing by her PR. But she was honest when she said she only saw the movie once (she even said it with the words: "I am being so serious I only watched once...") that the movie was outdated, that the prince was a stalker, that her co-star (the prince) could get cut from the movie and it would be ok, her comments about Palestine knowing that Gadot is Israeli, her comments about trump's supporters now knowing peace, etc. How can you even try to defended this girl when is very clear what she has said? It's on video c'mon...

[@ganasde65]

@@chelyvi7466 nothing she could have said would have pleased anybody. Everything is “damage control”, “trying to save face”, etc. when she said she didn’t like the cartoon as a kid because it scared her, apparently she’s no longer allowed any other opinion 20 years later

[@raccoon.pies.]

The only thing I thought was dumb about the casting of Snow White was her skin tone because it’s LITERALLY HER NAME. If it wasn’t in her character description and her literal name I wouldn’t have cared (loved Halle Bailey as the little mermaid) but I feel like not everything needs to be race swapped ya know? I feel like this is the one instance when it doesn’t make sense. Any other race swapped characters I don’t mind, but when your name is SNOW WHITE because of your SKIN TONE….like cmon

[@Owell_Owl]

Well Rachel is a white latina (polish-colombian) and also the 1937 animated *Disney version* which is what the live action is based on had a natural flesh tone not the colour of a piece of paper

[@finezyjnafantazja2495]

​@@Owell_OwlBut it is not that you cannot find people that are white as sheet of paper. Tilda Swinton comes to my mind

[@Anwelei]

@@Owell_Owlshe’s still visibly too naturally tan. She’s got more olive on her skin tone. I think that’s why she looks so terrible in yellow and that shade of blue. 😂

[@Owell_Owl]

@@Anwelei the dress its self is already bad with or without rachel wearing i could find this kinda look at cheap halloween store

[@fathiabalgahoom3785]

thank you for mentioning how badly they cast the evil queen, I feel like no one mentions it when reviewing the trailers and such. I’m sure someone better could’ve been casted

[@AmethystEyes]

Also it’s really hard to live up to that level of beauty. Rachel is beautiful but not in that outfit and hair. Next Gal’s beauty it’s very hard.

[@ishathakor]

@@AmethystEyes lmao with the styling they gave gal gadot in the movie she looks like an egg

[@monstars6971]

@@ishathakor agree. they fumbled so bad at trying to make gal gadot look like an evil queen, so how can she ever pull off being THE evil queen.

[@anjalik1136]

Both the evil queen and Snow White look so bad in this 😭😭

[@arielpinheirogomes]

YEEEEEEES!!!!! The real problem. Bad actress, bad person

[@galaxyqueen3064]

As a feminist myself, I HATE the backlash that Snow White has gotten from people, calling her "weak" and "boring". First of all, Snow White is a 14 year old girl who lost both of her parents. Her evil stepmother took over the Kingdom and forced Snow White into slavery, making her work as a scullery maid. Then, her stepmother, a grown ass woman, randomly decides to have her killed in such a gruesome way, hence the huntsman being ordered to literally cut Snow White's heart out with a dagger and return it in a fancy box. Snow White's "crime" is that she is prettier than her stepmom. She now has to leave the only home she has ever known. She has nowhere to go and doesn't know what's going to happen to her. She then gets poisoned and put in a coma. Despite all this shit that Snow White is going through, she still remains optimistic, humble, and kind. THAT takes great strength. Snow White is not weak by any means. To me, she is a girl-boss simply for handling her situation so well, especially at age 14. Also, Snow White is not a boring person. I always found her demeanor and sassy vibe entertaining. She's not my favorite Disney princess, but she is honestly one of the more relatable princesses. Let me ask you this. How would YOU have handled Snow White's situation? She sure handled it better than I would have. 💀

[@jessicahutchinson9347]

She’s relatable to every Disney character that doesn’t have parents/a parent for some twisted reason

[@SalmaAhmed-tt4it]

She's my second favorite after cinderella, both are badass girl-bosses who stayed humble and bubbly despite going through literal hell

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@galaxyqueen3064 Made it so that she was raised by the dwarves. The story can easily be "This child had to escape a dangerous home life and is now able to have a loving family."

[@randdiamond8090]

Because boys can be heroes, while girls can only be relatable. Her adventure is over, and now that she’s 15, she can pop our babies because she has no other greater purpose as a Royal who was never trained for ruling. Of course, the boys can be heroes AND fathers. Girls can only be pleasant and mothers.

[@jostockton.]

Facts. Mulan is ALWAYS pitted against her and Aurora and no way would she ever have survived what they survived! (And vice versa, because women have different strengths.) Snow White is tougher than your faves!!

[@clara-chan24]

thank you!! i had the exact same thoughts of instead of removing the prince, why can't they explore a part of him with how little screentime he got in the animated film and the developing relationship with snow white. like the material was right there and yet no disney still chose the 'girl boss' route -__- disney is so allergic to love or relationships for their recent remakes of their princesses it's insane.

[@foxesofautumn]

I don't think there's a problem not having a love story, especially in media for children, if you're going to explore other themes that are more relevant to that demographic like adventure, working to a goal, learning a lesson about life in a non-preachy way which Disney is usually pretty good at. I think the adult audience, who grew up on the originals, sometimes forget these are for kids primarily and it's nice to have media for girls not have romance in it every time. There are lots of other things to explore in life and girls' media has been pretty narrow in the past. Lots of stuff on friendship and romance, not much on working for something that's important to you or protecting what you love (though I applaud Mulan for covering that so well) or valuing knowledge. Romance isn't bad but it is over-represented in girls' media for sure. I think people who write for kids tend to underestimate the varied interests of girls and the emotional side of boys.

[@WoodwindBuddies]

I’m pretty sure there is a prince or prince-adjacent character. You can see him in the teaser. He looks like a commoner, but he could be the prince disguised as a peasant to see what the commoners are up to. I’ve even heard that this version will try to develop their relationship instead of being a deus ex machina. I do disagree with the criticisms of the prince being weird for kissing a “dead” girl. Kissing dead people is a way of saying goodbye to them. Idk if the Disney team knew this though.

[@clara-chan24]

@@foxesofautumn oh well i just think this direction for snow white from disney wasn't the best thing to do given her characteristics from the animated one. but honestly when this movie comes out i am curious what the kids or younger audience will have to say about the film cuz if its mostly intended for them, then i guess i wanna know how they feel about it. i don't have any younger cousins or relatives to ask or are interested in watching so i wouldn't know tbh ^^''

[@clara-chan24]

@@WoodwindBuddies i mean i hope so because the info i saw before that the casting crew/director was looking for something like a 'flynn rider' type of character and that instead of a prince, they're going for a robin hood kind of love interest for snow white which i find..why can't the prince have that characteristic instead.. true i didn't find the kissing a dead girl weird before and now even. i find other's comments about this too much but whatever to each their own.

[@perkusionrols]

I agree with you they fleshed out the prince in the Cinderella remake and it made it so much better. The same could and should have been done here.

[@MarvinPowell1]

10:54 - There it is. That's the point, right there. It's not about the race swaps; it's about the pandering and tokenization of beloved characters just to appeal to ESG money. Disney claims to care about "representation" but can't even be bothered to use seven actual little people or an albino actress in their latest movie. It's all fake and I can't respect people who believe the big mega corporation actually cares about "representing" them. And Rachel Zegler most definitely deserves blame, as she has said too many controversial things in her short career to not only tank this movie, but almost every movie she's been in so far. She's simply not a nice or decent human being, even by Hollywood standards, and needs to stay off social media. I watched both Snow White and the Huntsman and Mirror Mirror last week back-to-back with a friend cause she said both were going to be better than the Snow White remake. I'd say Mirror Mirror is the better of the two, as it's a comedy, while the Kristen Stewart movie takes itself way too seriously and doesn't have dwarves in it (that I can remember.)

[@MsNeanna]

Amen🙏

[@carterryans]

What Rachel said was pretty valid and trust me if anyone desveres hate it’s gal she’s the one who murdered children and how are they pandering this was all colorblind casting they had all sorts of races yes even white girls they wasian singer Olivia Rodrigo and the funny you saying Rachel isn’t a good person when people who have actually met her irl says she’s the kindest human being ever I bet you weren’t mad when Emma Watson called Cinderella a bad role model or bashed belle for not being a good enough feminist etc

[@gwengrasso1887]

Other than criticizing the old Snow White, which the studio probably told her to do, what makes her so horrible? Is there some controversy she was involved in?

[@merakkin]

Let's also remember that disney ends all the shows that have a slight show of representation in them

[@Owell_Owl]

Uh Snow White's skin isnt as white as snow just look up images of 1937 version and use a colour picker

[@sehzadeselim863]

why didn't they hire an asian girl to be snow white? their skin is white, and hair is black

[@asterlyons8564]

Pale skin is considered a beauty standard in some east Asian countries, especially Korea and Japan. An asian Snow White would be a really interesting take.

[@CorbieWoo]

I have this exact opinion too. I’m a fair-skinned Chinese girl with round eyes who loved and saw myself in Snow White since I was young, since a lot of the time Asians are depicted in Western media with yellow skin and slanted eyes, and we don’t all look like that. I don’t look like that, that’s for sure. I always thought it would be cool to see an Asian Snow White both to represent Asians that share my complexion and to shatter the stereotype of Asians having yellow skin-hell, a lot of people today think Asians can’t naturally be pale and all Asians who are pale use powder or bleach their skin to look white. At least Mulan didn’t have yellow skin. But sometimes she isn’t depicted as pale as the European princesses-Americans seem unable to comprehend that people who aren’t white can be just as pale or even paler than white people, which is racist in and of itself; claiming that only white people can be pale and “people of colour” (that’s why I hate the term) can only be darker, whether tan, yellow, or dark. I mean, I’m surprised at how many Americans think Persians, who are light-skinned, are BLACK! In terms of why Disney didn’t look at Asian girls for Snow White: Live Action Mulan (which was HORRIBLE). They think that one movie with an Asian protagonist is good enough for representation and that is all they need to do. They don’t think about the variances of our skin colour, eye shape, or personality. Some of us are soft people who like to help others and are romantics who want to find love, like Snow White. We’re not all tough martial arts fighters who struggle with our families’ expectations of us like how Americans think we all are. Heck, that one fairly recent Raya and the Last Dragon movie (which was not great LMAO) depicted its protagonist as a tough sword-fighting girl-when can we get an Asian Disney protagonist who’s a sweet romantic and who does NOT fight physically in any way? I’m so tired of the stereotypes and strange gatekeeping of softer/romantic personalities from characters that aren’t white.

[@sehzadeselim863]

@CorbieWoo omggg you would be such a perfect Snow White 🥹

[@CorbieWoo]

@@sehzadeselim863 Aww, you’re making me blush. My mom actually called me Snow White when I was a little girl so this hits me right in the feels 😊thank you!

[@VilikesaTuragakula]

To this day, I still don't understand why Treasure Planet flopped. AND NOTHING will convince me that this live action remake of Snow White will ever top it.

[@Oat_Milk_606]

There’s actual a video essay on TP and how Disney wanted it to bomb. I believe the marketing was very weak and it was going up against other beasts in the theater like Harry Potter 2, I believe.

[@VilikesaTuragakula]

@@finland4ever55 Duh, aliens ARE supposed to look unappealing, which makes you wanna root for the main character more! If you wanna make this short, I think BOTH films should have succeeded at the box office though.

[@finland4ever55]

@@VilikesaTuragakula You know, you're right. And Meet the Robinsons and Brother Bear should also have been more successful too while we're at it

[@Sam-wv4fz]

@@finland4ever55 I don't think the alien designs were what people loved, I think it was the characters themselves, and the heart

[@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816]

​@@finland4ever55 I genuinely wouldn't mind a remake of Meet the Robinsons as long as they don't change the story. The animation in that movie wasn't that great even by the standards of when the movie came out but the characters and the story are still great. If they did remake it I would prefer it to be animated but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it was live action.

[@TheMaxi125]

The worst part about the dress is that it looks like two different dresses glued together Of the bodice had something connecting it to de bottom and the yellow was a lot lighter it could work... Maybe. At least it wouldn't look as bad

[@eye4340]

Yep it looks like they recycled the skirt from Belle‘s dress

[@projectmoonlark_hogwarts1111]

Exactly I hated the shade of yellow it's too bright and it looks so weird :(

[@hanonphantomhive]

Same, 1937 Snow White has such a nice soft cream yellow color.... Not that saturated banana skirt 💀💀💀

[@גלעדסוירזנסקי]

Also having the bottom of the dress be a line and not a v at the waistline makes it look even cheaper and less shapely and well fitted

[@rat-gang-]

giving the bodice a basque waist would immediately fix that problem, i don't know WHY they chose to give it a straight cut

[@annalabagaba]

My personal issue with Zegler in the context of skin tone is that it felt like Disney wanted to have their cake and eat it, too, but never thought beyond name recognition. Given the significance of the whole "skin as white as snow," why not cast an actress of East Asian or Philipino descent? Phillipa Soo is right there (though she is 34, so maybe not) and would have killed it by fitting the features and the talented voice. There are so many non-white actresses with phenomenal voices that could have fit the "white as snow" category without resorting to Euro-centric features. But also, yeah, if you were dead set on Zegler, at least give her red lips and pitch-black hair. I think if they had made her hair unnaturally darker (incorporate some cool undertones), it would have made her seem even a bit paler and, therefore fit the character and, as the video says, giver her a fighting chance.

[@GiulianaBruna]

Agree. I may be wrong, but I feel like people from latinoamerica are taken as the "PoC but not really" cast. Not only at Disney. Like, you have Camila Cabello as the "first Latina Cinderella" as if that's progressive but she still has euro-like features. She is not "White as snow" but look whitish enough to not be too disruptive (they don't choose Afro-Latino, Asian-Latinos, Native people or any dark skinned latinos). I won't complain about having a princess that looks "more like me" but it feels cheap at this point. No one asked for this.

[@fabtrash]

Yes ! Like her appearance matter. Disney could've 1) made a modern retelling of Snow White. In this version, the girl would be nicknamed Snow White (maybe because she's beautiful, likes apples and has an evil stepmother who's vain). Then it wouldn't matter if she's not white. 2) Cast a pale poc or an albino. They exists. There's already two movies where Snow White is east asian. 3) They keep the movie/live action as it is BUT Snow White name is now "Bianca Von Schnee" or something like that. Basically her name would mean "white" (hence why she would be called Bianca. Like how Little Red Riding Hood is often called Red, or how Cinderella is often either called Cindy or Ella) and her family name/the name of her country is "snow".

[@CorbieWoo]

OMG yes! As a fair-skinned Chinese girl who loved and saw myself in Snow White ever since I was young, I’ve always thought it would really cool to see an Asian Snow White, especially since Western media often depicts us with yellow skin even though we don’t all look like that, and I didn’t see myself in these stereotypical yellow-skinned characters. On the other hand, it might possibly be really weird and jarring if they had a visibly fully-Asian Snow White in an obviously European setting with no reasonable precedence. Perhaps they could get a half-Asian half-white actress to play her (it has been done before with a 2001 adaptation starring Kristin Kreuk of Chinese and Dutch decent) and have one of Snow’s parents be Asian, perhaps her mom since white skin and black hair is the traditional East Asian beauty standard and in the original tale her mom wished for a child as white as snow, as red as blood and as black as ebony after pricking her finger while sewing. If she was several decades younger and wasn’t already the singing voice of two Disney Princesses, I would have recommended Lea Salonga for the role if we were looking for fully-Asian actresses. She is pretty fair-skinned and has the most gorgeous voice that can sound sweet and delicate yet strong and powerful. Lea is not a Disney Legend or a Filipino National Treasure for nothing! For half-Asian actresses, Arielle Jacobs and Ali Ewoldt are two Broadway actresses of half-Filipino descent who have a type of appearance that could pass for Snow White. I swear Disney is extremely creatively bankrupt when it comes to casting and ways to bring fresh takes while keeping the important aspects of the original. Rather than look for actresses like the above, they just completely disregard the pale skin and jet-black hair that is vital to the original character, who is ironically actually the only princess whose skin colour being pale truly matters! Oh my, if you know how the remake apparently explains the origin of Snow White’s name since she is no longer pale in this version…it is extremely cringe and seems more focused on making her seem physically strong (read: stereotypically masculine) rather than beautiful.

[@gabbyalivio5692]

exactly 😭

[@p1rat3ch1ck]

​@@GiulianaBruna I think this is the problem in general. MG listed movies where race swapping occurred without the world ending and all the major backlash, and while I think social media plays a giant role in that, I think it also lend credit to the point that the race swapping on its own isn't what a lot of people have an issue with, it's the half-assed hand waving to get credit for being progressive, but not actually committing or defending or anything beyond using it as clickbait?

[@Mhidraum]

Sandy Powell is the designer?! Really? She's done some great work in the past. Now I really don't understand how they ended up with those costumes.

[@lmcb8447]

"Why does disney(usually) think love makes a woman weak?" Banger there, you can be as strong, man or woman regardless of being in love or not. They had come pseudo-polar to what they were , that a wan needed a man to aost completely avoiding romance, why dont they have variety, like Cinderella and lkke Moana.

[@Anwelei]

Romance and love keep the human race going. As a 40s woman with no kids or husband, let me tell out how absolutely empty life is with just a career. It’s not what they told you. And no, my dog, even though he’s the cutest thing on the planet, so so substitute for a husband or children. My friends are not substitutes either .

[@annawenrich]

Rachel is NOT helping herself with the comments she's made in interviews. Yes, she's not totally to blame for the character decisions made, but she is not making anything better with her open distain toward the original.

[@GiulianaBruna]

Yes, she is not and that's on her, her opinions are the same I keep hearing for people who hasn't watched the original in years (if ever) and just parrot parodies. But actors are usually given direccions for media and press tours, so I assume producers also told them to remark the "girl boss" angle of the movie.

[@naomisathyendra6973]

She said she liked Snow White as a character multiple times and says her strength is in her kindness. The only negative things she said abt the original is not liking the prince (who’s only on screen for 15 mins so it wouldn’t take away from her enjoyment of the rest of the movie) and she thought it was scary as a kid but after rewatching she appreciated it more.

[@ChanelGloe]

bingo

[@sleepyghostgirl]

she's likely repeating things disney execs told her when the movie/script was pitched to her. they probably want her to play up girlboss angle in interviews. aside from that, nothing she's said has actually been as disrespectful as people are making her comments out to be. when she jokes that the prince is a "stalker," she's not even entirely wrong??? LOL

[@msk-qp6fn]

​@@naomisathyendra6973 she specifically said it was weird that the prince stalked snow white, which he didn't

[@SpinningOrange]

Cinderella is the only live action remake I've liked.

[@ModernGurlz]

same! (although i rewatched alice in wonderland the other day and enjoyed it more than i remember)

[@blacksailsfan4life]

i prefer the 90’s live action remakes disney made, they aren’t perfect, but they’re more entertaining

[@mada5326]

@@blacksailsfan4lifewhat makes cinderella good is that it does not try to retell the story in a different way at all, they just added complexity to the characters and relationships without changing the plot, plus amazing visual elements. The production of the movie was so good that the magic elements shine more because it’s live action, not the other way around. I wish we saw more of that from Disney instead of them trying to change everything. But I do like when other companies try to make something different with fairy tales sometimes.

[@marz6794]

@@mada5326 I agree. They added more to the characters and we get some development between the prince and Cinderella. Plus we get more of Cinderella’s backstory and the costume design was amazing. Each character had memorable outfits and the color palettes were lovely. Plus the animation was pretty great.

[@crystalion3378]

That’s because it was directed by Kenneth Branagh. Of all possible directors he knows the importance of maintaining elements of tradition in traditional tales.

[@LunatheMoonDragon]

Y'know, I always though Romero & Juliet would be a much better story if they dropped that boring romance plot and made Juliet a girlboss who don't need no man. .... said absolutely no one ever.

[@mupty]

I believe there's a Broadway musical where Juliet is a lesbian now.

[@Iluv.v]

I'm guessing you never actually read romeo and juliet? cause far from it. Romeo was the lovesick one and juliet was basically the girlboss. The play was about fate

[@kirsch-pf6jx]

there is already an anime that depicts her badass Romeo x Juliet

[@pseudonymous9153]

They did just that, shoved in a bunch of overplayed Top 40 songs, called it &Juliet and it's successful 😔

[@harue_san]

i think the hate on zegler is rlly less abt her color, but more abt how she spoke abt a disney classic that was very much loved by old and news fans alike. ppl felt it was arrogant and disrespectful. along with the fact that zegler as an actress just didn’t rlly feel like the right “casting”, snow white is depicted as soft and gentle, and zegler didn’t exude that. even her singing voice, from what i saw/heard her as in ballads of songbirds & snakes, wasn’t rlly giving snow white as well. i mean, as u point out in ur video, if disney is going to create a live action remake of one their classics (one that esp put them on the pedestal) they might as well do it justice.

[@sarahali8616]

yeah but if u look at her voice in west side story i acc think she does fit singing wise shes very versatile ive even seen her sing operatically

[@Jonunu1607]

It’s almost as if these movies were of their time and it is almost pointless to try remake them for our times 🤔

[@latricegoodman9769]

What happened to a Women's Agency? Romance now makes a woman weak, a kiss makes a woman weak I feel like women are having fewer and fewer choices as time goes on. Either you are a girl boss or a victim.

[@cait3196]

And they miss out on a huge lesson for young girls, what a good and worthy man is like. Most girls will date eventually. Ignoring that conversation doesn't help the problem. Showing girls a healthy and supportive relationship would do so much more. Sven and Anna are beloved for this reason

[@sweetsandcharades8383]

@@cait3196 (You are talking of the characters from Frozen, right? Sven is the reindeer and Kristoff is the man 😆)

[@ingridthedwarf]

​@@cait3196 I don't remember Anna being into animals in the movies. 😂

[@deviantly_night]

​@@cait3196What about us Lesbians tho??? At least healthy straight relationships still exist, but tell me a movie that had a healthy Lesbian couple that was not over sexualized...

[@CorbieWoo]

@@cait3196 …Are you Olaf? 😂

[@sarag9572]

CGI that looks incredibly dated aside, Disney has lost how to make these movies work. Cinderella is one of the only ones that really worked because Ella was true to her animated character while expanding on her and the prince characters and their love story. Keeping them recognizable but refreshingly new. Now the princess just girlboss too close to the sun while forgetting what made them memorable.

[@aquaarietta]

Yeah and even with Cinderella, they gave her a little more motivation to explain why she stayed with her stepmother and stepsisters: because she wanted to take care of the home shew grew up in and felt like it was her responsibility to her parents who had loved their home. She wasn't weak and helpless, but she wasn't girl boss supreme, either. They balanced it perfectly.

[@lizd.8655]

Disney is eventually going to run out of original IP's to remake in live action. What's next? Are they going to remake the straight to video sequels?!

[@foxesofautumn]

... I'd watch Cinderella 3 if they did it (and, let's be real, it's not impossible)

[@fabiofuoco]

they're gonna remake the remakes. With Ai probably sice they hate their artists so damn much

[@Aghul]

Don't give them any more ideas....

[@nightwish1453]

Makes me wonder if they actually went ahead on the Aladdin 2 remake idea they actually once thought up was literally adapting one of the sequels. All of this has not happened because of the Oscars

[@mcalcock2241]

Moana 2 is basically a DTV sequel that was theatrically released. And it's made insane amounts of money. This does not bode well for the future, unless you're a big Disney shareholder.

[@PistachioDean]

I just need to see the notes they gave Sandy Powell. Because it’s so wild how she went from the beautiful blue Cinderella gown in 2015 to the Party City Snow White dress :(

[@MDOC321]

I think the hate to Rachel Zegler was also because of how she behaved towards the original. Just compare her to Halle Bailey, while people didn't like the cast, just very few people attacked her per say, especially because people saw she both loved the original and was very happy to play Ariel. Rachel brought that on herself by attacking the original and many fans at once, and this obiviously back fired on the movie itself.

[@Echo-mg5em]

That’s a very good point. Bailey herself stayed above the fray by not engaging in the online controversy, which was really classy and professional. Zegler didn’t have to pretend she loved the film or the character, obviously she’s not the first to be dismissive about her role-Daniel Craig whining about James Bond is so stupid, it’s not like someone forced him to play 007-but she took it to another level by making snide jokes about her male colleague’s scenes being potentially cut. That’s just so tacky and disrespectful.

[@KaeMcSpadden]

I will say, as a concept artist, the Snow White costume here has some terrible color choices. It looks so flat and plastic. If badly needed the dark blue, especially to make the red pop. If Disney wants good representation of little people for the dwarves, they should have done something like Mirror Mirror.

[@CorbieWoo]

This! The lack of dark blue and resulting contrast makes me want to pull my eyes out. It was part of what made the original Snow White’s design so great. Similar problem to Halle’s Ariel having very dull almost brown hair that blends into her skin and does not look appealing, nor evoke Ariel. Considering Sandy Powell (who made the costumes for the Snow White remake) is an award-winning designer who also made the gorgeous live-action Cinderella dress, I believe this was because of executive meddling.

[@coredetenebris3314]

Exactly! This weird tone of blue put next to the yellow just makes it look weirdly green. If they can’t even figure out stuff like colour theory now they should really stop and think-

[@plushstrawberryfrog]

unfortunately, until people stop going to disney movies, this will continue. their movies are routinely critically panned, but they make a ton of money. consumers are guilty as well

[@suebear119]

There’s definitely some major over correction going on at disney. Women can still be strong without being #girlbosses. Women can show weakness, fear, sorrow, love, devotion, and bravery all in one. And please disney bring back the love stories! A woman in love is not weakness either!

[@randdiamond8090]

A woman in love is a weakness in most cases irl though. Lower IQ points, bad decision making, and the unhappiness in marriage that shortens female lifespan. Love in marriage is a VERY modern concept. It used to simply be the transfer of “property” from father to husband.

[@graphiquejack]

they didn't really need to make Snow White into some Mary Sue feminist... they needed to examine why the Queen is so fearful of losing her looks and getting older. This is the real catalyst for the story, and it's rooted in the belief when the tale was first written that a woman's value and power is based solely on her attractiveness to men. If they actually explained this aspect of the story, they could have made the Queen more sympathetic and understandable as to why she's acting the way she is. Yes, she is vain, but she is vain because she knows once she ages, people will stop respecting her. We can see examples of this just scrolling through social media, let alone throughout history. If the studio wanted a more 'feminist/modern' retelling of the story, I think that would have been the more powerful way to approach it.

[@celloishsugoi]

Absolutely all of this. That’s what makes Arcane and its predominantly female characters so damn good. Women are allowed to be angry, take punches, and fail…

[@CorbieWoo]

@@graphiquejack You nailed it! Especially with social media today, that would have been a very important idea to explore, although corporate Disney does not have the gall to address something like that. It doesn’t help that in this remake, they changed the definition of “fair” from beautiful to most just, which is pretty idiotic. Imagine wanting to kill someone because they are “more just” than you…like, how does that make sense? They don’t even want to address or dissect the themes of beauty in the tale. Cowards.

[@cab1stborn]

You forgot to mention how AWFUL the waistline of that dress is. I can’t get over the straight line that connects the skirt and the corset. It looks like they just put a tulle skirt on her and called it a day. I feel like if they just fixed that it would make it look 5x better.

[@david4rancibia34]

my criticism of rachel zegler it's not because of her looks, but because of her attitude promoting the movie, like Brie Larson in Captain Marvel or Ruby Rose in Batwoman, they act like everything that came before them was trash and they are fixing the original material just because they are women, that kind of ego undermines actual feminist movements and reinforcer the negatives stereotypes

[@Whackadoo1]

I take pride in the fact that I've never spent one cent on any of the Disney remakes.

[@iantophernicus6042]

If nothing else, the costumes and visuals of both Alice in Wonderland films were brilliant. That said, they butchered Into The Woods, so I don't have all that much faith they'll do good by Snow White.

[@sideshowmob]

pride? well, congrats, I guess

[@Whackadoo1]

@sideshowmob uh, yeah, is that a problem?

[@sideshowmob]

@@Whackadoo1 no, it's just such a small weird thing to take pride in. I'm just thinking out loud

[@Whackadoo1]

@sideshowmob well it's my small pride, not yours.

[@IndigoSkyWalker13]

Children deserve good films too!

[@PrincipalCellist]

I dead ass forgot they even made a live-action version of Lady and the Tramp and Peter Pan 😬 I think Disney just needs to realize that it's not the medium that's failing (2D vs 3D vs Live action), it's the lackluster stories they've been giving us.

[@gg_ingy]

Afaik, people don't dislike the actress because she's latina, but because of the interviews she had done. She said that she didn't really watch the actual movie, that the story was stupid, and that the whole thing should be different, she didn't come across as a fun, bubbly person pretty much. Her appearance isn't even that much off from the actual snow white, if like you said they used red lipstick and the proper hairstyle. Also i can actually understand some of the criticisms about "forced wokeness" with Disney, when they had to cast a WOC for the little mermaid for example, that was not needed to change it that much. Most normal human beings would like to see NEW stories with more diversity, instead of drastically changing existing titles. Disney deffo stirs the pot for free PR.

[@sheridansasmor3973]

Oh my god you're so right bringing up Snow White and the Huntsman !!! I loved that movie, and every "fix" for this plot is just something they’ve already done in its own better movie. On strictly an aesthetic level, if they wanted to change the appearance of Snow White *and* be progressive... why not offer the role to an actress with albinism? Why not allow space for someone who usually might not get a leading role? ... also jfc the over-cartoon-ification of that damn Party City dress and the extreme color grading??? What the heck were they thinking??

[@NotLunarlakes]

Rachel just does not fit Snow White in any way, appearance wise and personality wise. She would be amazing in her own movie with her own story! But she just doesn’t fit it…

[@tenshi9899]

True, Rachel is a very good actress but this role isn't for her. She'd do great in other projects. Especially ones where she doesn't shame the original character-

[@carterryans]

@tenshi9899yet no one was mad when lily James and Emma Watson shamed there chatacters

[@silvergust]

@carterryans I don't really remember that happening, not saying it didn't happen but however: People *did* criticize Emma, but more specifically about the drama of her not wanting to wear a corset & more specifically the misinformation about corsets. & whatever Lily may have said (though I don't remember her critiquing the film in the same way), idk if anyone rlly cared bc of the fact that Cinderella is considered to be one of the best live action remakes, & the movie didn't erase the character's original traits but builded upon them.

[@LeeLe412]

I don't want to watch her in anything now, too dramatic and so very unbelivable acting

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

"CAPITALISM BREEDS INNOVATION!" I have no urge to support Disney after the mistreatment of their workers, weaponization of lawyers, and the whole having-a-secret-agreement-in-their-streaming-service-terms-that-prevented-a-wrongful-death-at-the-park thing. I also hate what they did with Star Wars and Marvel, but that's a story for another day.

[@foxesofautumn]

I'm so glad Disney is proving that bullshit old adage wrong so completely.

[@CorbieWoo]

Walt himself said that he makes money to make movies, not movies to make money. Considering how much money the Disney company has today…I wonder why they completely forgot that particular value of Walt. :(

[@dw1419]

@@foxesofautumn when there's actual competition, yes, but sadly the corporate-owned Democrats and Republicans have failed to prevent and/or break up these overly large companies (e.g., letting Disney buy up all the successful studios like Pixar, Marvel Studios, and Lucasfilm to compensate for Iger being out of ideas).

[@brazenpotato]

As someone makes products for kids, I must say everything made for kids need to be the best! Even better than for adults. It's the foundation. You build up your taste since you are kids. Trashy works for kids make trashy taste in adults.

[@littleseaturtle]

this is a beautiful perspective :')

[@onionsoup3570]

Agreed

[@heresalook]

100%!

[@CorbieWoo]

Well said! In fact, the original Snow White is part of the reason I love opera.

[@stephenjensen5358]

It's not 'the racist fans', it's a reaction to the racism of Disney. When there was diverse casting in the past, they still primarily kept to the original story. Now, every time Disney diversifies a character the story is changed as well. With the intention of pushing woke political views. The reason that Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin were all successful is because dispite the addition of some woke elements, they generally kept to the original story. Mulan, Pinocchio, Peter Pan and Wendy, and Little Mermaid were all flops because they all bastardized the original story. They simply became vehicles to push a woke agenda. And the Zegler Snow White is doing the same thing. It will absolutely bomb at the box office. Most of the reaction to Rachel Zegler is because she went out and blatantly bashed the original. She created most of the backlash. Are there some racists in the fan base? Yes. But they are a small minority. And many people are sick of Hollywood coming along and calling people racist for not accepting racist cultural appropriation. The Left demonizes people for wearing Sombreros on Cinco de Mayo when they are white, and then think it's okay to appropriate a German story by changing the ethnicity of a German princess. It's not color blind casting, it's a malicious effort to erase all white, European characters, and replace them with diverse characters. This is the true cause for the backlash. Racist casting. No one had a problem with diverse characters in original stories. Aladdan, Mulan, Princess and the Frog, Moana, Encanto and so on, showed that. But you don’t get to appropriate other people's cultures, after lectures about cultural appropriation, and then call them racist for pointing it out. This makes fans of the originals enemies. Make new stories about African culture, or Asian culture, or Latin American culture. Then you will have diversity, not only in appearance, but also in culture. If diversity was the goal, this is what Hollywood would be doing. But it's become obvious that the real goal is the bastardization and destruction of white European culture. Or perhaps European culture is the only one who's stories Hollywood believes in. And so instead of telling stories about cultures from across the world, they take stories from European culture and appropriate them to virtue signal. If the Rachel Zegler Snow White actually honored the original, showing respect for the culture the story came from, there would be minimal reaction from fans. And it would have made a Billion dollars at the box office. But woke politics was more important. You're right that Disney could easily experiment with new stories. But they decided to use that spare capital to push the woke political message. And actively antagonize half of their potential audience. People want entertainment, not a political lecture. Respect the original stories. Tell new ones from diverse cultures. And get back to making entertainment, instead of political propaganda.

[@silvergust]

i feel like disney & other companies don't really get that writing a strong female character doesn't automatically mean reverting them to the girlboss archetype. it doesn't even really inherently mean physically or mentally strong, but they should just be interesting & written like a person (even with some limitations in fantasy stories) i feel also sometimes it can reinforce gender stereotypes. not sure how to explain but just dismissing certain traits of characters because they are flaws or considered "feminine" & therefore weak isn't the way to go. i get not simplifying them to these traits, but they can still have them & they can work as positive & negative. also it's kinda the point of snow white that she isn't supposed to have much agency, it's what she does/thinks in those constraints. maybe people would be able to see this more if they adapted the original story where she's 7 years old & highlight more that she was literally abused for years.

[@cozee6275]

The Peter Dinklage situation reminds me of the Scooby Doo movie when Fred said “They’re trying to edit it to make it sound like I said coolsville sucks” and then the news did exactly that and edited to him saying “Coolsville sucks”. Dude said little people being casted as only caricatures or non-human creatures is ableist and everyone was like “HE’S PULLING THE LADDER UP, HE DOESN’T WANT JOBS FOR LITTLE PEOPLE”

[@cozee6275]

never forget seeing a tweet from someone who doesn’t have dwarfism blaming him for the snow white debacle and then proceeding to make remarks about “being able to punt him” like y’all don’t actually give a fuck be real.

[@davidfairweather3301]

He came off as a hypocrite cos he was perfectly happy to play a mythical dwarf in Narnia and get a fat pay cheque but now his career is thriving he can afford to say dwarf actors should aspire to take other roles. The reality is actors with dwarfism get few roles and the ones they do get they are very grateful for, so they would’ve been happy to book a role on Snow White. Also, if Peter Dinklage’s words were misinterpreted, Disney could have easily consulted him on the issue but they didn’t.

[@babyblue28]

Peter Dinklage’s exact comments were stupid and harmful to dwarf actors, but tbh, Disney probably wasn’t planning on casting dwarf actors for the same self-righteous reason. It reminds me of the episode of South Park where Timmy, a disabled kid, gets a job as a musician and Phil Collin’s is pissed because he believes people only listen to Timmy to make fun of him.

[@harrypotteranddisneyfan5800]

It’s so sad that modern animated disney movies nowadays are doing so badly too in terms of their content. Other than encanto which I loved even though many didn’t, I haven’t even liked a movie since moana. Which was 8 years ago. Disney needs another reinassance and needs to hear from fans rather than corrupt ppl only caring about money rather than the content that fans want to see

[@sharpeningtheaxe]

They could just hire talented people with a vision and let them work at a reasonable pace and without constant meddling and we would get good movies. But they don't care about making good movies, they only care about making money.

[@BioLivbanon]

Even Moana is not that good. But much better that Frozen! Tangled is their last good "princess" movie. Which just breaks my heart. I want the old Disney back.

[@harrypotteranddisneyfan5800]

@@BioLivbanon Looking back on it Moana wasn’t great, I thought it was good but not amazing but yeah tangled was the last amazing Disney Princess movie. I also loved princess and the frog.

[@BioLivbanon]

@@harrypotteranddisneyfan5800 Yes, Princess and the frog is also amazing. Even better, since it is mostly 2D! ❤️ But that was before Tangled. ;)

[@Wellworm]

Dinklage shouldn't be blamed. He NEVER argued that little people shouldn't be cast. DISNEY made that decision. Dinklage only said he wished more little person roles were written like Tyrion. Complex, human characters. Not JUST as fantasy creatures. He critiqued the idea of a Snow White remake, because it could perpetuate offensive tropes. But mostly. Because most Disney remakes are terrible. WHICH ARE FAIR POINTS. He expressed an opinion: HOLLYWOOD blacklisted little people.

[@AE-ld9ck]

This. 💯 Disney uses POC and historically marginalized groups as scapegoats for the company’s lack of interest in funding truly diverse and beautiful creativity.

[@avalasialove]

True, but he still showed blatant ignorance and disrespect for the original source material. The dwarves don’t live in a cave! They live in a cottage! Shouldn’t they cast people who love and respect the original movie?

[@annagtace]

​@@avalasialove tbh while i agree his take sucked ass, he was not responsible for the choices made for the movie. I think it says more about disney's philosophies as a company than abt peter dinklage himself

[@Sootielove]

The backlash being that little people often need those roles to get into the industry only serves his point further. If these roles are going to be around, they probably should be given to little people and fleshed out like proper characters rather than side jokes, but the thing we really need is to both give these actors more roles and opportunities. Dinklage is not the villain for the very real, valid criticism that little people are only ever seen as funny non-humans in our media. The response should have been to give more roles to little people and make them better roles, not remove them altogether. Hell, casting a little woman as Snow White could have been a move in the right direction

[@Sootielove]

@@avalasialove To be fair, it's still a valid criticism that we consider fantasy dwarves silly little people. These images of fantastical, silly or evil dwarves in fiction don't stem from nowhere and often have a real world history from how poorly people treat real little people. His lived experiences as a human who's faced prejudice as a result of these depictions should weigh more than how accurate his throw-away comment about the film was

[@mcalcock2241]

Fun to note: All the other evils queens mentioned have also been played by Oscar nominated/winning actresses.

[@jonchh956]

I think you forgot to highlight one problem: Zegler's attitude.

[@iantophernicus6042]

The dwarfs look like AI.

[@karinasnooodles_]

Not everything is ai. Y'all just throw the word like it's nothing

[@iantophernicus6042]

@karinasnooodles_ That's why I said they look like it. It is not a desirable outcome. It would've been better if they just made something original.

[@hopingfordespair6419]

how the hell did Sandy Powell go from Cinderella (literally some of the most beautiful costuming choices in a disney film period) to... this??? I wish we could see her original ideas for these instead of this meddled with slop

[@winterfire1376]

It interesting that in cinderella the actual dress was paler, almost closer to the original silver but the colourists for the film amped up the blue, regardless both are beautiful

[@lauren6509]

It's wash, rinse and repeat. We complain. We give 10 bucks to go see it. We say it was serviceable and then we move on. Until we actually boycott things will be the same. I didn't care about Rene being Colombian because she's literally a white woman. Colombian is not a race. One of her parents is white Americanand the other one is Colombian. There are Black Colombians and White Colombians. Her mother is a white Colombian so she still is a white woman. My beef was with how they're going to do the seven dwarves. I get that little people have a contentious history when it comes to being used as entertainment however this could have been a really good chance to get more little people on the big screen. So that they too can realize they're acting potential and get more roles.

[@grizzlyalmighty2]

people can be FROM Latin American countries. they didn't succeed in killing ALL of us. read a gd book. you look GOOOOOOOOOFY. black people heard "MeXiCaN iSnT a RaCe1!1!1!11!" from some idiot on twitter ONCE and RAN with it. black americans think you're the be all end all when it comes to talking about race but you're actually the ones trying to educate yourselves the least. for the love of GOD stFFFFFFFFFFFu.

[@grizzlyalmighty2]

y'all literally claim people with white parents as black for some presumed "proximity to whiteness" or whatever but this girl is literally brown and you're trying to tell other ENTIRE CONTINENTS about THEIR racial identities. PLEEEEEEEEASE. do you even UNDERSTAND how gd IGNORANT you look 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫

[@grizzlyalmighty2]

EDUCATE yourself. i KNOW you haven't bc you don't even KNOW the basic word "MESTIZO". THAT'S the word you were looking for btw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! y'all LITERALLY act like they killed every last brown person on two entire continents and didn't SYSTEMICALLY RAPE US SO EFFECTIVELY THEY CREATED A WHOLE NEW RACE. she's mestizo, she's LITERALLY brown but y'all wanna call other ETHNIC people white to try and "shame" us or whatever but will turn around and claim someone with a fully white parent as black for proximity to whiteness. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOFY.

[@grizzlyalmighty2]

shoulda minded your gd business.

[@grizzlyalmighty2]

this girl is LITERALLY brown but you want to shame her for proximity to whiteness bc of your own internalized racism issues. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFY.

[@amphithere]

I think children are smarter than people think--people don't just give them a chance. I never saw any of the Disney classics in theaters, but that era of 2D animation are the ones that have my favorite Disney characters. I watched those over and over again even as a teenager whereas I never got into things like Frozen or Moana, even though I went to the theater to see those.

[@jeffjohnson2525]

It's not racist to cast a black role, it's racist to cast a different race for a traditionally white character.

[@Oldmanaddict]

Disney really disappoints me, literally no projects they are releasing makes me excited, just spamming these remakes while shoving other projects down to fail. The only thing that is keeping my interest is the Twisted Wonderland anime coming out next year, but even then I'm praying it's good since it's in Disney Japan's hands.

[@nightwish1453]

Marvel this year has done better than prior years. X-men 97 being the big one

[@CorbieWoo]

OMG, another Twistie here? Yooo! For me the only good thing coming out of this Snow White remake (and even then I wish it was never made) is the Pomefiore event that will happen in celebration of its release. There was an Octavinelle one for The Little Mermaid, and there’s an ongoing Savanaclaw one for Mufasa, so it’s not unreasonable to anticipate one for Snow White. Ironically, Disney Japan treats Disney’s IPs much better than Disney itself, which is genuinely embarrassing. How do you get beat at your own game by a subsidiary of your company in a foreign country?!

[@MacaldaReye]

I feel like we missed out on an opportunity to feature an actress with albinism for this movie

[@BringBackCyParkVendingMachines]

What 😭

[@NoName-dx1no]

Yeah I don’t really care about color blind casting but Snow White’s name is based on her appearance when she was born, so the decision to not hire a poc who’s not light skinned felt a bit silly, and yeah they absolutely could’ve been even more progressive looking had they hired an albino actress

[@Fantallana]

Oooh that would be cool

[@Fantallana]

@@BringBackCyParkVendingMachineswhat are you confused about?

[@seraphinespeacekeeper]

yall just be saying anything atp

[@thebatridesagain]

Oh be fair… yes some people were racist against Rachel but most of the back lash has been her shitty attitude to Snow White. She hates the original film and was scared of it, only watched it once and called the Prince an stalker. That’s where most of the hate has come from.

[@Echo-mg5em]

Not to mention the way she’s treated her co-stars. Acting like the guy who played the prince is expendable is just rude.

[@thebatridesagain]

@@Echo-mg5emagreed, she was absolutely vile about him.

[@butterflyera2399]

@@Echo-mg5emidec how shes treating gal tbh i hate that girl anyways😭

[@heyhorinshi]

Simply calling people who cared about the cast looking like in their childhood racist is a major cop out.

[@RavenousFallen]

Disney's live version of Peter Pan was terrible. The 2003 Peter Pan is infinitely better.

[@VanyaBraginsky]

It's not racist to want live action characters to look like how they originally did in the animations, and for them to also look like they come from the region and time period the movie is set in.

[@adrielayson749]

I love how you gave a nuanced dissection about why the movie is worse than what some other KZbinrs are doing where they are just blaming Rachel Zegler for all the things wrong with the movie. I'm so tired of POC actors and actresses bearing the brunt of the blame for most of the problems and executives doing nothing leaving them to fend for themselves I also love that last quip at the end knowing that Disney made movies for EVERYONE. The biggest example is Mary Poppins. Hell the movie was nominated for 13 Oscars, it really showed that back when Disney (the company) was making movies for everyone, they shined through.

[@Claire_Loves_Music]

Exactly!

[@ishathakor]

yeah people forget disney got this big in the first place because they used to make movies so good that everyone could enjoy them. they used to try to push the film industry forward. they used to be pioneers and trendsetters. and then they gave up

[@Rachel-zf2wm]

The amount of racism shes faced for this movie is sickeningggg. Like yeah, I personally dont think she really looks too much like snow white (although some people disagree but we all have our interpretations) but hating her for what the casting director did? Its just weird. Hating her for decisions that go beyond her? Weird.

[@Alicegilbert28]

​@@Rachel-zf2wm People don't like her because she's very prideful and don't understand snow white. The color of her skin is not the problem. But to replace characters with a new origin is hypocrisy when if it was a black character becoming white it would start a war. Diana is a black princess and she was such good character. Why don't use that movie or just...create a new character ? Its to replace somethingg we know and love that make people angry.

[@bboyblaze9860]

@@Rachel-zf2wmI think you might have that wrong. Perhaps the initial backlash was around her race, but that happens with every major casting nowadays Lady Gaga as Harley, Pattinson as Batman etc. Most of the current backlash that she is facing is from her own doing with her obnoxious comments during the pre-release tours of the movie in addition to a lack of having an unlikable personality that her words in interviews never seem to make up for.

[@rebeccaaa9994]

Disney lost their spark. It’s sad. They used to be so imaginative and innovative but now it’s like cash grab after cash grab. It just feels unauthentic. Like not everything needs to become a live movie adaptation. Personally, I miss the hand- drawn animation it was very old- school and had its own lane. I really miss that type of animation. Everything is all computer generated and I get it, it’s cost effective, more time efficient but it’s boring. It’s the same thing over and over

[@hayleyjarrett808]

0:19 THE KISSING SIMBA AND NALA! 😹

[@eleutherna]

People saying Zegler is disliked because of her looks/ethnicitiy and not her personality are reaching! She came out as rude and untitled to a lot of people. Not everything has to do with racism.

[@hana-a-cha]

"Do kids not deserve better?" Exactly. If anything, producing media FOR kids should be MORE responsibility, not less; it should be held to a much MUCH higher standard than anything else, not excused for being lazy. It's interacting directly with the most vulnerable, moldable minds, it's called "formative years" for a reason. Adults have their filters intact, kids don't. Whatever they see, they consume, their future tastes and beliefs and worldviews are being constructed- it's no copout, children's heads aren't dumpsters, stop treating them as such, we should give them THE BEST. Gosh this argument makes me angry. Every. Single. Time.