Why Don't I Talk About INDIAN MOTORCYCLES? Do I HATE Them?

[@spitescorner]

What do you guys think about Indian Motorcycles? Should I review them on the channel? Don't forget to check out Cardo's 4th of July sale! 20% off with the code SPITE10: bit.ly/3IUZ1hM

[@robbyclark6915]

I agree with every single point you made. I’m probably one of 5 Harley riders who actually watched this video because most don’t bother as soon as they see “Indian” in the thumbnail. Don’t be taken aback by all the upset Indian riders in the comments. You knew that was going to happen. I personally just can’t get excited over an Indian motorcycle. They just do absolutely nothing for me. The FTR is the only one I’m interested in at all but even that’s not something I would actually purchase.

[@modificationnation73]

I’d rather have a Harley. 😂

[@martianmanhunter4363]

Yes please. I like Indian looks and I like Harley’s but I ride Hondas lol don’t have Harley money. Its not just buying but cost of ownership.

[@dysfunctionalveteranese4905]

@@robbyclark6915 There are a lot of us on Indians that are actually Harley-Davidson owners and riders...🤷‍♂

[@patrickfracisco8120]

Buell/Triumph owner checking in- Never rode an Indian but I dig the looks of the FTR but on that note the only HD that excites me is the mythical Bronx. What are your thoughts about the new Buells? It would be cool if you went to Buells open house event Aug 26th and documented it.

[@AlastorsGuns]

Not a cruiser rider, but I have to admit; if I were to get a cruiser of any kind, my first choice would definitely be the Indian Scout. That is one sharp looking bike.

[@wheels.3239]

Me too

[@danieldoyle253]

I feel for $10k the Scout bobber is the best deal in American cruisers

[@BossMan302]

It’s way too tiny. I test rode one and it’s so low to the ground it was uncomfortable

[@petrol11]

@@BossMan302 hmmm how tall are you?

[@jeetkunedoatlanta2464]

@@BossMan302I’m 6 foot and the bike is the perfect size.

[@thehomeless_trucker]

I just felt like Indian had a better value for the money. I went with the Indian Scout Rogue and love it. The name of a brand isnt enough for me.

[@dieselbaldwin]

I love my 2022 Rogue!

[@ZildjianMan30]

Exactly. Some of their bikes do offer more for the money. And if you want a modern liquid-cooled V-twin, it ain't HD. However, Polaris is very close to pricing their bikes and parts similar to HD. That I am concerned about.

[@treyward2839]

I just got a 2023 about a month and a half ago. After a set of pipes, I love it

[@thehomeless_trucker]

@@treyward2839 I've decided to wait until I do the big bore kit before upgrading the exhaust, then get a full system and tune.

[@mitchjames9350]

Indians look nice, I like the modernised vintage look.

[@deaiscarlet]

Tested an FTR among a bunch of bikes and it gave me huge smiles. That is what counts

[@garf117]

I'm glad you made this video Spite! I mean I couldn't disagree more. You're dead wrong on Indian imo, but everything you said sounded like you were genuine in how you felt.

[@akilh340]

LMAO

[@m3talc0re]

He was dead ass spot on with Indian. Not a damn thing he said was wrong and I agreed with everything he said about them.

[@ZildjianMan30]

You are correct. I feel a certain way about things, then find out the truth doesn't give a shit and I was wrong. Spite does "feel" a way about Indian vs. HD. And he's half-assed on his facts. Metalcore: I'm just pre-empting any reply. The info, the truth, is so easy to find and easy to read. I've taken the time to read finance articles, riding magazine articles, and other business reports on the two companies. You should try it sometime.

[@raoulrr]

@@ZildjianMan30 All I got from his video is that he's salty they denied him credit, and then he spent 15mins of whining trying to justify his shitty opinion of Indian based on irrelevant stuff (ancient history of the company and how the cylinder heads look LOL), while ignoring the actual, real, tangible qualities of the bikes. I'm also biased against HD for killing Buell (and even afterwards forbidding Eric from making sportbikes even though HD has zero interest in that segment), and then killing Alta. Basically we could've had amazing american sportbikes and amazing american electric bikes for so long (Alta was years ahead of anyone else in that segment), if not for HD. And ragging on the Indian dealer, well, do I have some stories about HD dealers! Especially when they see me coming on a sportbike. From my own personal experience, HD is the Moss Eisley of motorcycle dealerships.

[@powergolem89]

@@raoulrralso he really leaned in on the classic styled bikes, which as of now there are only 2 in the line up. The rest of the line up is modern and blacked out now, which is what the people want these days. Indian killed off most of the classic styled bikes with chrome, fringe, and leather bags. The scout is an amazing bike, too low? Well it’s a cruiser not a canyon carver, handles amazing for what it is, and the performance is there, will give Harley baggers a run for their money and put them to shame.

[@collectivelogic]

Great modern engines. Great looks. Sounds incredible with the right pipes. Amazing sounding on the top end. Will pull forever, and is so basic it's borderline terrifying and I love it for that! Only motorcycle that's tried to kill me twice and I'm still saying that. Keep the pressure up Indian. We all benefit!

[@BikerJon82]

So what about something like the Dark Chief? Looks just as good in my mind as a Low Rider ST

[@TheNostorian]

Blasphemer!

[@haydenlawler5762]

Looks better, more tech for the chang $

[@BB-1990]

@@TheNostorian You know what Harleys and toilets have in common? Same seating position atop a pile of crap.

[@TheBlueDogMan]

I grew up on Japanese bikes. They always were more sophisticated. Seemed like modern ideas and designs. At this point, I’m still satisfied with my old Hondas CB1000 Big One, my 919 and my Suzuki 1250 Bandit. If I ever decided to go newer, it would likely be a Triumphs or an Indian. I just can’t do Harley Davidson. I don’t feel like they’re better bikes than anybody else. As Patrick Swayze said in roadhouse, opinions vary.

[@ellwoodwolf]

I do want to throw in , I would recommend Japanese bikes - but not one specific one - the rebel 1100 remains the only motorcycle I’ve ever sat on that was uncomfortable within 30 seconds.

[@MostlyInteresting]

Brah... preach... :)

[@HarryNoze]

I’m exactly the same. Old Hondas but would get an Indian. HD is too ubiquitous and they rip their customers off imo. Even with parts and maintenance

[@MackXJ]

Good vlog Spite, we're on total ends on this one especially because as a 35 year old, I bought a brand new Indian Springfield in '22 and I absolutely love it. I respect your position and how you feel about Indian, you can't have everybody on your side.

[@jamesmerritt1899]

I disagree with you spite. I think the classic looking Indians are better looking that Harleys classic style bikes. For that matter I think all the new Harleys are fugly. But what do I know? I ride a vstar 1100 cause it's cheap.

[@FlesHBoX]

lol, this seemed like a really long drawn out way of saying "Because I don't like them"

[@dysfunctionalveteranese4905]

Great vlog as always😎 However, a bit off on Harley guys and Indian riders, at least from this Harley rider's perspective who Started on Harleys over 20 years ago and still ride my three Harleys, including my original. I am a Harley-Davidson rider and HOG member that has seen the light, and not only on the spec sheet. My two Indian Motorcycles are Indian motorcycles with all the heritage from their glory days of the first half of the 20th century and all the greatness of 21st century advancements. I used to be that Harley guy that hated on Indian motorcycle for a good number of years when they first came out; however, after having experienced the buying process and owning two Indians for going on three years, I am a born again believer... cheers👊😎

[@rebelscum9783]

The Springfield is my favorite Indian. I love the old school aesthetics.

[@bmagada]

Like 90% of your complaints can be said of Harley as well. I mean, except Indian actually released their sport bike... but what I'm getting is you have a preference based on a bunch of data points as justification that when compared to Harley, aren't that different. The reality seems to be that you just like Harley more as a brand and that could be because Harley would give you a bike on terrible credit or solid preference, but that doesn't explain why you completely ignore them. It just feels like if I gave you two very similar bikes and they rode almost the same but I put a bar and shield on the one with less power and tech, you'd swear it was a better bike. Maybe a better brand, but that's not the bike. Not on either side of this argument, I ride a Honda ffs, but it just seems limiting to ignore half the US cruiser market. I mean, even Harley riders have been praising the new Sport Chief. It's your preference, though, and whatever makes you happy is all you need. I just think maybe you should broaden your grip on what an American V-twin should be. Side note: They dont always have to sound like a potato.

[@jeffarmentrout2863]

I looked long and hard at a Road Glide Limited and an Indian Pursuit Premium. I test rode both, and at the end of the day, the Indian rode much better and checked more of the boxes stock compared to the Harley. To each their own. Just enjoy what you ride.

[@MC_Solbakken]

I was looking at the harley fat bob or the low rides as my first bike. I have always been a harley fan since before i could walk. But the i saw indian announcing their 2022 remodel of the chief and i fell in love. The indian chief dark horse is truly a dreambike and ive hade so many good memories on it.

[@ZildjianMan30]

I was looking to buy a new Scout or an old, cheap Harley. Then, the 2022 Chief was released. I'm with you, and I love the Chief.

[@BB-1990]

@@ZildjianMan30 Yep, i rode the new Rogue last year and was the first to ride that bike. It fit me like a glove. I rode the Chief DH and loved the torque, but preferred the Rogue. Then they came out with the Sport Chief and now i want that too.

[@firefighter1c57]

Half way through this video I started to wonder if Indian built the Versys 650... Indian died in 1953. Harley came out with the Sportster in 1957. None of this happened by chance. Post WWII, with the UK in shambles from the war, and most of Europe broke from the war, UK started bringing in Triumph, Norton, Royal Enfield, into the US. Motorcycle journalist at the time called it the British Invasion. Small displacement, high horsepower, cheap bikes hit the US market like a sledgehammer. Harley responded by replacing the long in the tooth K series with the overhead valve 883cc Sporty, and Indian died...

[@satur9satur9]

I went to a Harley dealer to buy a buell. After being ignored in showroom next to a buell for an hour. I wanted to order one. They refused saying they couldn't sell the ones they had.(different model and color). And talking shit about a bike they sell. I left and bought a BMW . I always thought (still think) that actual Harleys are overpriced and for old men . I thought buell was gonna change that. It did a little bit . But now these cruiser manufacturers are starting to see the big picture . With more modern non cruiser options

[@Silidons91]

yeah, how many miles did you put on the BMW and how much was the maintenance? I ride a R1250RPT for work (motor) and I wanted a BMW for off-duty use, but after seeing how often shit breaks and how expensive they are to fix, I opted for a Harley.

[@808pineapple]

@@Silidons91- so really nothing changed 😳

[@BadAssEngineering]

I just bough and picked up a 2019 FTR and gaddayum what a machine it is, couldnt be happier

[@robertpfaff7992]

Fair points, but there should be a distinction made between "old" and "new" Indians when talking about style since Polaris has been doing an admirable job of piecemeal upgrades to the line. Take the Springfield mentioned: the regular "old" style is boomer as hell. The Springfield Dark Horse is sex on wheels. In fact, I would disagree with the characterization of Indian as a brand to push old-school bikes. The example Springfield is one of the last in the line to have a style from the 70's and 80's. But again, that's only true if you compare Indian today. Even a few years ago, the style criticism is perfectly warranted.

[@zackadams419]

You have some valid points. I also agree that I just like the way the Harley’s look better, but those Indian Chief dark horse models are really super slick. Not as much chrome and it looks like it is made to compete with the soft tail line. You should give it a look.

[@Chillin4030]

As someone who loves Indian, I do not like the springfield's design. They completely dropped the ball on that modern-classic style with the springfield. I love the old school look when someone does it right, and Indian normally does it right. I do really hope Indian further hits down on performance soon. They have some great engines and if they flush things out a bit they could definitely be competitive.

[@bridgettemcconnell9034]

I know plenty of people who cross shop Harley and Indian. The most frequent answer I get is they go with Indian because the suspension and ride is just better factory. I do think you have an obvious bias and you should actually try multiple Indians before downing them. Just saying. I like the new Indians. They are slowly getting rid of the antique looking ones anyway. Plus, LIQUID COOLED engines. Lol. It gets hot here in SC. 😂 A lot of us are also put off by the old school mentality about the Harley culture. If it isn't a Harley then it's not a real bike. And my husband and I have a joke here, "Oh look, it's another black Harley." Everyone's bikes look the same. Granted I'm a Triumph rider myself. But hubby wants an Indian for next bike. Now if Indian shocked everyone by making THAT naked sport bike that Harley refuses to bring out, that would be amazing.

[@tjmanifest]

I am biased, but have my reasons. Around 80% of the Harley riders I have met (and I've met quite a few) were busy living that scummy lifestyle. The kinds of people that walk out on their families, betray friends, drink and smoke all day and night, constantly talk shit about all other MC brands, are petty criminals or at least glorify them, are pathological liars, and haven't worked in 8 years but still manage to manipulate the welfare system or a parent enough to be able to afford farkles and repairs. I know my experiences are unique, but I've met others who've had similar. I love motorcycles and have been riding 15+ years, but Harley's culture and image problem from my perspective is such a huge deterrent, I would die before spending money on one. The next bike in my stable will likely be a cruiser, so by all means, let's talk about Indian!

[@aintnodisco7127]

Sounds more like a commentary on Indian styling versus its viability as a machine and company. Which is fair, but I wouldn't call that "hating" Indian motorcycles; just a difference in styling preferences, which is common to everybody. Hard disagree on no one looking at a Harley would cross-shop an Indian. Unless Indian is bringing nothing but all new riders to their showrooms, their sales are coming at the expense of Harley, and it shows in Harley's decreasing market share of the >600cc market segment. FWIW, I own neither, but lean HD, just for their dealer network and after market parts options.

[@rockon3261986]

You like what you like and that's okay. Absofuckinglutely love my FTR and the character it has

[@rickhill6277]

I’m 70yrs old and personally I very much dislike the ALL BLACKED OUT Look. A lot of the fun for me is shining the Crome then showing it off! The ride is important but I don’t care to ride on something no one can see day or night. It’s hard enough cause other vehicles don’t look for bikes but to ride on one that is even harder to see especially with todays amount of traffic seems senseless to me. By the way, Love your Channel Spite!! Please keep up the Good Work! Cheers from Salem, Ohio.

[@Kraker-Jack]

Henderson Motorcycle Co. of Detroit Michigan was building in-line 4 cylinder motorcycles starting in 1912. Indian didn't make their first 4 cylinder bike until 1928.

[@mcgoo721]

They had some goofy old school stuff when they first came back but i think a lot of their newer models are great. I love their dark horse models and their smaller framed bikes overall.

[@jimmyjoe1871]

When I went through the classic cruiser phase I rode a Yamaha Roadstar. Fantastic bike wish I still had it. I’ve since moved on to a Goldwing and I’m very happy with it for touring. I ride a smaller, more lively bike around town.

[@christophepoteaux3932]

So are you willing to make the argument about Triumph? The current Triumph is new company born out the ashes and romantic history of one of the most iconic European motorcycle brand. It went bankrupt and shut down. Many years later, in 1983 John Bloor established the new Triumph motorcycle company.

[@jonS-42]

I love the new Indians, especially the challenger because of the liquid cooled engine . What makes me pause is how they dumped victory and left their customers somewhat high and dry. I wish they would really really make an effort to let the customers know we’re in this for the long haul.

[@fivespeed3026]

Victory shut down 6 years ago so I think Indian is in it for the long haul.

[@907ben]

Harley has forced their dealers to shove product out the door, they will "find a way" to finance anyone. Take a look at Harley's financial reports and the "out performing" repossessions of Harley motorcycle loans versus the rest of the industry. I am biased, I own a 2022 Indian Scout Bobber. But I actually own it, as in free & clear. No vehicle dealership, including Harley or Indian, is looking out for your best interest. Get your financing (if needed) pre-approved before you walk in the door.

[@mitchjames9350]

Indians are just Victory just with a new name and paint of coat.

[@907ben]

@@mitchjames9350 Indian wouldn't exist without Polaris Industries... much like Harley wouldn't exist without AMF. But call it whatever you want. Competition is good for the consumer and the market is evolving.

[@BB-1990]

@@mitchjames9350 Yawn, you're a bore.

[@gryzzb8922]

Spite, go try a Challenger and a Roadglide back to back. Don't care about heritage as much as the ride. The Challenger is a bagger with a sport bike engine and it feels like it when you twist the throttle. Plus it's got more room for us taller people. It would be a good video too. I could even set the bikes up for you if you wanted to come up to Colorado again. I just bought a Challenger and I'm a rider coach at Harley. Love them both, so no hate either way from me. Also, I was a naked sport bike guy until about a month ago for perspective.

[@gr8fulride]

Happy fourth. Ftr rider. Test rode and sat on quite a few bikes. Mainly got ftr because it fits. Vrod fits, desert sled fits, the Honda 650, the klr, BMW r9t all fit. was all set on a triumph tiger, but it really didn't fit. Nice to hear the history of the brands. MV agusta lucky explorer is one I'd like to take for a spin.

[@jameseargle123]

Love my Indian FTR s 😊 …traded my sporty 48 for it.

[@tacosan9256]

Walking into the Harley dealerships here in San Diego feels like walking into an overt marketing campaign for pretending to be punk rock- I own an Indian Chief bobber because I liked the quality, the bikes are just right on the money with looks and out of the box performance and price. It’s an honest better bike for the price. Harley is not resonating with a lot of folks. Also quite frankly their politics, the marketing to movie stars that spray paint them up. Indian just has a different feel, their dealerships are different. I wanted an older school look with modern touch. FYI, I’m not a boomer and this is my 1st bike

[@noahpoling3261]

Take a look at the Indian Scout Rogue. I think you’d love the look of the midnight version.

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I wouldn't say 50% of cruiser riders, realistically it's more like 15% at best. I'd honestly consider an indian if the dealer network in my area wasn't 100% pure trash

[@jps4737]

I chose my Indian after going to Harley Brisbane and finding nothing in 2022 I loved. I saw my Scout and loved it. Agree on that much, ride what you love.

[@motorcyclemichael2182]

Test them all! Ride what you like! Who cares what anyone one else thinks or likes? 💪🏻

[@bradymcrae7351]

As an MT09 rider, the only cruiser that appeals to me is the scout bobber

[@zackarybrown6752]

Indian dream machines no longer sells Indian motorcycles. We have a new stand alone Indian dealer in Austin. From how they treat the wife I would say they are pretty decent.

[@Prosecute-fauci]

I like the looks of the victory/Indian offerings a lot more than the worn out, tired lines on Harley bikes.

[@joeryerson9295]

I'm a goldwing rider, so I really don't have a dog in the fight. I like the looks of both for the most part. I like the sound of both of them stock. If I had to choose between the two though, I'm going with an Indian. Better suspension, better handling, and better engine performance with out having to put 5 grand into engine work. Once that engine work is put in on a Harley they're so loud my ears ring when one goes by or I get stuck behind one. Last but not least in my area the dealerships that sell Indian charge between $90 and $100 per hour labor and both of the Harley dealerships that are within 25 miles of me charge $120 per hour.

[@oldsparky14]

Your CVO Harley challenger comment was funny , the new CVO is obviously styled on the Indian, which is sad the old Road Glide twin head lights looked dead sexy. I agree

[@spacezombe]

A friend and I at work call them Hardly Davidson because most people that have them hardly ride them. They are a garage show piece that hardly gets ridden. That being said in my opinion Indian has better looking bikes at the moment aside from the Pan American but I feel that's expensive for what you get. It is a sharp looking bike though. (this is my opinion and we all know what opinions are like....)

[@vaportrail226]

We call them Hardly Ableson. Because they're hardly able to get out of their own way.

[@shanewoodruff2551]

I've owned 2 Indians. I had a 2023 Indian Super Chief Limited. Now I ride a 2021 Challenger Dark Horse. You've got to be dead inside if starting and riding these bikes don't do anything for you. Love your channel, but totally disagree with you on this one.

[@OldDirtGuy]

I don't understand the appeal of Harley or Indian motorcycles. But The Harleys do generally have good industrial design IMO. The Indians miss that mark. Victory was the same way. Polaris needs an artist or two to sign off on their designs. I am from Minnesota and would like for them so succeed. But after making a flat track racer and pimping the idea that they were going to make a street version only of come out with the FTR? I was incensed. Some shill told me that they didn't think a mid sided bike wouldn't sell. Oh yeah? Seems to me that mid sized bikes are selling quite well. So are scramblers. If Indian had a low weight 750 street tracker, which is basically a scrambler. You're telling me it wouldn't sell? Whatever. The only American motorcycle the is on my radar at all is a Kramer.

[@christopher7026]

Well that’s just like, your opinion, man. I feel a lot of what is said here in this video is unfounded. Not that it’s bad or even wrong - but doesn’t really add anything meaningful to the conversation of Harley vs. Indian. This is coming from a guy that has 2 Harleys and has ridden lots of Indians. I personally know several people who would’ve switched to an Indian if the dealer network was bigger.

[@jonstobbs4587]

I've been begging for a few years now, for indian to make a single line of bikes in honor of victory. Doesn't matter if it's inspired by the vegas or kingpin, as long as it has that aggressive and almost custom style

[@drewthedogman9]

Just like a Ford, you don't buy Harley's cuz they're good. You buy them because you don't care about quality or performance and you want a tractor with two Wheels. And you want to fit in with the overgrown adolescents and ignorant yuppies who "ride" them. Oh well, objectivity has always been in short supply. At least you're conscious of your bias.

[@BadAssEngineering]

TBH if you judged Harley the same way you judge Indian, there are plenty Harley examples of garbage, the latest being their chinese badge jobs on the Benelli 350s and 500s... dont forget the Aermacchi debacle

[@tonygree4847]

Indian Motorcycles are great overall. Can't really find a fault with them.

[@pollyparenti7402]

Indian motorcycles run great. Less vibration. I own two Indians and two Japanese bikes. Part of the reason I didn’t choose Harley is because of the bs I received from Harley riders regarding my Yamaha. Anyway, the only Harley I like is the Pan America. To each his own. There is room for all bikes on the road. More miles, more smiles.

[@cmontuori12865]

Harley means you're going to pay $2000.00 more, and get less technology, and value. It's going to leak oil @12,000 miles. 12,000 miles if you're lucky. I have an Indian Sport Chief, and I love it. Whether or not that they were missing for a couple of decades or not. They are still the first motorcycle company. Harleys got some competition. Not the only American brand anymore.

[@Love4boost]

I’ve owned a bunch of Harley’s. Still currently own one even though I don’t ride it. I pulled the insurance off of it and it just sits in my garage. But because of owning so many I realized how much they’re overpriced junk. I’d never own an Indian motorcycle but not because they’re junk. I think they’re much more deserving of a higher price tag than Harley. I just think they’re still way too expensive. I’d rather own a Royal Enfield over either of them and would definitely have way more fun on it.

[@giocrypt5148]

Funny the way you feel about Indian, that’s exactly how I feel about Harley

[@joshm2453]

I recently went from a Harley 48 to an Indian FTR S and have been happy with my purchase. I did enjoy my Harley and have no issues with the company (customer service was amazing), but I wanted something better for commuting and there wasn't a Harley option that could be had OTD for 15k. I understand exactly what you were saying with the spec sheet comment in the video, which is what got me on the Sportster initially. Coming from a Honda it was a night and day difference with the torque and vibrations, but objectively the Honda was probably a smarter purchase for most riders. I'd also say the same applies to Indian (when not compared with Harley) and that is why I went with the FTR over one of the more popular standard options.

[@williamwintemberg]

Ride what you like.

[@D16S06]

Hey Spite ... what bike are you riding in this video?

[@philipwalling3906]

IMO Indian is a better motorcycle in every aspect minus two things. #1 Harley has a bigger aftermarket support. #2 Harley has more dealerships/service locations.

[@themojo6291]

I rode an FLH in the past. Loved it. But I went for just flat out better engineering. My Chief is the best bike Ive ever rode and still is.

[@nexoron5396]

I'm a metric cruiser simp, specifically, *Japanese Cruisers*

[@jerryaldeene]

I think I need a beer. That means I need to leave the house and then I would have to put pants on. Problems!

[@kellett-101]

Where were you riding in this video?

[@robbyclark6915]

I gotta agree completely with Spite here. Harleys just look awesome! They look great and they are legitimately iconic. I like the FTR somewhat, I like the scouts somewhat, the Chiefs are ok, but I hate those enormous pipes! I also prefer the hidden mono shock of the Harley softails over the dual shocks of the Chiefs. I really don’t like the look of the “thunderstroke” engines, and that name, Thunder-stroke? They definitely aren’t any easier on the wallet either. They cost just as much as a Harley and without the benefits or nostalgia. They don’t look as good, they cost just as much or more, their aftermarket isn’t as good, their accessories cost even more than Harley, their dealership network doesn’t compare, they act like they have been here since 1900 when everyone knows they have not, and everything they do is a copy of Harley Davidson (almost everything). I’m sure they make really good stuff but if you’re bike doesn’t make you want to stand in the garage and stare at it, then there’s no way I’m spending $20k on it. I’ll keep my Low Rider S.

[@neblolthecarnerd]

Indian has always struck me as a cool uncle to Harley's grandpa

[@dieselbaldwin]

You must not have seen all the modern Indians if you think They all look old school. I don’t like the old school look. I have a 2022 Indian Scout Rogue and I absolutely love it.

[@purpletigerracing7087]

Harley's innovations usually come from regulations. The V Rod, Revolution and the mini Revs in the Street 500 and 750 are literally the only thing Harley has done aside from Fuel Injection in the late 90's early 2000's. Well, theres the water/oil cooled heads. The V Rod has been rejected because the customer base, mostly older boomers and grey beards, likes the look, sound and style that the brand is known for. I have a 2010 Softail Deluxe. After throwing $5000 at the engine and proper exhsust and tune, it runs ok. 96hp 108tq. It does good 2 up with luggage at 70 mph. It accelerates ok. Turning and braking are meh. But it looks cool and sounds mean. Fun to ride as well. But it has a real nice name brand irrigation pump powering it. Not much innovation from a Panhead to a twincam aside from an additional cam, fuel injection and a few sensors. However, where Harley shines is the aftermarket, used availability and dealer network. The dealers are terrible sales wise, but the service department will keep you on the road if you're out riding cross country and have an issue. That's a major pointbof purchase for me. My bike has had few issues, none have ever left me standed. I'm sure most modern Indians are problem free, but its never fun having to look for a dealership if you're having an issue.

[@Moonshot.]

Ride your ride. I’m in love with all motorcycles.

[@TwistedMolecule]

Don’t worry, Buell is coming back with a vengeance to blow both HD and Indian out of the water.

[@spitescorner]

I'll believe that when I see it.

[@TheEpicDuck23]

For the first time I gotta disagree here Spite. Feels like you’re letting a small bad experience give you a strong negative opinion. I’m an owner of neither, but would either! Plus having both gives competition and Indian is making more exciting engines.

[@motormuttldn]

In my opinion, Indian are better than Harley

[@jdbb3gotskills]

I would love a Harley one day but they are pricing me out of ever buying a new one. I’ll have to go private sale. But toxic culture and HD corporate is pushing me away from even buying one.

[@KeViNMCMXXCIX]

I like all bikes. Obviously I have preferences what I would ride before looking at other styles of motorcycles just like anyone else, and that's good. It's fun to get familiar with different styles and manufacturers.

[@valienterf]

Dud that is the finacing understanding. I have an isdue with Harley sales people. Reason i ride Hondas only.

[@MostlyInteresting]

Indian FTR had me excited but its so one dimensional. If HD had any smarts they would do to the Panamerica what Honda did to the Africa Twin. Make a ST1100 Sport tour type bike by just changing the front and rear subframes body work, suspension, wheels tires.... A cheap change that gives them a type bike that is popular in europe in a big way and also has a market in the US.

[@bertsbike]

You’re not being too mean. I like the bikes and the overall vibe of the brand. However in owning a Scout and a 22’ Chief… I probably won’t buy another one for a while. My Chief was awesome but had so many issues and quirks… I felt the engine and looks were the only good things… Overall Harley’s just have a more rigid and premium feel all around, From the paint down to the components and switches… Indians do have the performance and are beautiful bikes, but when you look closely there are lots of components that feel very budget. Also the paint quality is just ok… When you see an Indian that’s been ridden hard you can really tell. I’ve owned a harley Roadster too and I discovered it had frame damage from the factory… 🙄 So looks like I’ll just enjoy my Japanese bikes moving forward 😂 But… I still want one from each brand… Lol

[@Stevel_]

I have two Indians and love them. There are lots of brands/OEMs out there, you can't get to all of them! Plus the ROI is higher for content creators on HD content because of the install base. I am seeing more and more Indians on the road in my area though (SC) so that may change in the years ahead. Great channel spite love your content!

[@jaxager]

Blaming Indian for Harley's lack of innovation is one of the most asinine things I've ever heard.

[@kling2296]

For real lol.

[@mint2574]

For real though, and let’s not forget the dreaded dark age of AMF Harley Davidson when it comes to brands falling off.

[@m3talc0re]

You could compare Harley to nVidia right now.

[@GoD_Quake]

Also, Harley has made some half hearted attempts to innovate a few times over the years, but alway lacked the fortitude to see it through, always giving up too soon.

[@m3talc0re]

Not really, without any legitimate competition, HD hasn’t had much reason to innovate, not on the ways you’re thinking. They have done a lot on the bikes, though. Ever adjusted the clutch cable on a new M8 Harley? So easy.

[@matthewsinclair507]

Love my Indian Scout Bobber!

[@RoadPilotHawk]

I love mines too !

[@King-ww1kz]

Agreed and mine is blacked out. I hate that chrome

[@matthewsinclair507]

@@King-ww1kz same!

[@22smcrrider96]

I've been considering getting a bobber for a 2nd bike.

[@RoadPilotHawk]

@@King-ww1kz i have the 22 blue bobber

[@ecrespol]

I love this channel, but this video is almost painful to watch. It's fine to be a Harley guy and not like Indian because of that, but to spew this absolute nonsense is insane. I mean to try to hold the "Springfield" out as the exemplar for the brand when its a niche model is like saying don't buy a Harley because they only make trikes.

[@chewytraverso]

God forbid they should set a standard. Look at how many repoed Harleys there are, compared to repoed Indians.....Indian also didn't cheat on the military tests, like Harley did.

[@sarahdell4042]

Indian actually cares about their customers, and will go the extra mile to try and make a situation right. I gotta give them credit for that!

[@hpenvy1106]

but they won't give credit to spite ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)

[@matthuber1333]

Having been on Indian forums since 14, everything that the customer on the forum has advised, Indian adopted in their next year models. From tires, to Gillies Tool foot control's..

[@TheDomAdventures]

I'd have to strongly disagree and have made much better experiences with my local Harley Dealership than with the Bike Shop that is contracted by Indian. But that is of course my own opinion and could differ immensely between shops. Which is one of the reasons i base my bike purchased not only on what's the best bike, but i'll always check out the local dealership and inform myself on how good they operate, how well they treat their customers and how easy they are to work with. I'm in germany, mind you, where harley always had a bit of a hard standing, and the local harley dealer i mentioned is working hard to turn their image into something better, very welcoming and their labour hours are cheaper than the BMW, KTM and Honda dealer in the same town. On the other hand, Indian Motorcycles are distributed through a dealer that runs Aprilia, MV Augusta, Ducati and - for some wierd reason - indian, they make their sales and hit their margins without any problem, so they don't really care, you'll experience 8 weeks of waiting for an appointment, they tell you they have all the parts and you can wait for your bike, just to tell you to call a cab after waiting for 4 hours because they need to order stuff and your bike will need to stay in for a few weeks, they go on test rides for 200+ miles and charge much more than HD. So i guess the moral of the story is check your local dealer first, brand second? :D

[@mortalterrorRE]

Nah, their dealerships could care less I’ve had nothing but bad experiences while there in Austin

[@sarahdell4042]

@@mortalterrorRE Obviously it’s all dealer dependent. I have a friend who works at an Indian dealer in service, and he’s always telling stories of how Indian goes the extra mile to make sure a customer is happy. If the case is presented to Indian they will try hard to make the outcome 100%, sadly some dealers are lazy and won’t reach out to Indian on behalf of the customer.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Spite, you have forgotten to mention the only reason why HD are still in business today and possibly due to it happening before you were born. The Reagan tax which was super high in the 80’s on all Japanese imports to keep HD open. Without that tax he introduced HD would’ve been bankrupt and who knows what would be today if he didn’t.

[@ZildjianMan30]

Yes, indeed. Just to clarify a bit, the import tax was thanks to Congress. Yes, Reagan still shares some blame, but none of it would've happened if not for HD lobbying Congress.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

@@ZildjianMan30 Correct. A political win for Reagan. I assumed peps new that everything has to pass Congress.

[@mitchjames9350]

HD doesn’t want to compete is just relies on people buying its brand.

[@sportyonetaubert5923]

Harley was saved by introducing the Evo motor and better quality control. The Japanese big 4 were found guilty of illegally dumping bikes under cost during the early 80's recession. The tariff helped keep the creditors from calling in the loan when they did the AMF buyout. Lemmy from Revzilla did a fair look at the tariff if you want more info.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

@@sportyonetaubert5923 I’m old enough to remember the 80’s well. The big 4 were not bringing bikes in under cost as the prices were consistent with Europe, the UK and Australia just to name a few. They sold well and it was purely based upon the tax introduced well before the eco, and still questionable QC. It’s just simple history combined with politics.

[@teewhy2602]

I love my HD but I honestly believe Indian is the better bike for the money. It is a more refined bike. If one can just get over the HD brand, Indian would be the better choice.

[@cslist949]

Buy a Harley and be Unique and Different. Just like all the other Harley riders.....

[@BadAssEngineering]

Yes, Polaris bought the Indian name, but ill be damned if they havent been doing a fantastic job pumping out fantastic bikes. In reality, if they sticked with Victory, no matter how awesome bikes they made, nobody would be riding them. Polaris has been delivering consistently since they began reviving Indian, they have honored the brand

[@soganoflarider]

The victory technology continues on into the Indians

[@mitchjames9350]

@@soganoflariderexactly Indian is just a rebranding of Victory with a new coat of paint.

[@MattFusano]

I prefer more bike over overpriced, underperforming HDs…

[@schrodingersmechanic7622]

The walk away after I park is the litmus test for any vehicle I buy. If you can walk away without looking back then you bought the wrong ride, 2 wheels and 4.

[@pocketlint82]

I feel this. The other test is how long does it spend in the garage between rides. Traded my Harley when I started realizing I never felt inspired to just go for a ride anymore. A new bike changed that and I take way more weekend trips than I ever did before. I'm sure one day it'll happen again. Luckily bikes are relatively cheap

[@rickiekm]

That is just silly. Because of a bank, your credit score, and that dealer, you say you do not like Indian motorcycles. Have you even ridden any of their bikes lately?

[@schrodingersmechanic7622]

I had an experience like that at a car dealership when I was in the military. 700+ credit, lived in barracks so no bills whatsoever and $1500+/mo disposable income. They looked at me like I was a worm for wanting a $20k car, back in 2002. I make well into 6 figures now with a house, 4 cars (2 corvettes) and 3 bikes. I've never set foot in an Acura dealership since that day, nor will I ever. The way you treat customers is the way they see your brand.

[@mrmatt7210]

I could be wrong ( disclaimer: it wouldnt be the first time) but I'm unaware of Indian Motorcycle having their own inhouse financing. To be clear, if you wish to purchase an Indian Motorcycle today, and you dont arrange your own financing, Indian will provide financing options through companies such as Sheffield Financial, Synchrony Financial, Performance Financial and Octane. I understand the frustration of having your loan request denied, but let's be honest for a moment, Indian didn't deny you, the loan company which was used for this promotion denied you. I'm sure Indian would have loved to have sold a bike, but they couldn't help but to follow the guidelines set by the financial company. Dont take it personally. Ps: I wanted to get the oil changed in my wife's car today at my local dealership, but was declined as the service department was closed for July 4th. I suppose I need to ban this dealership in the future 😂 (joking)

[@ZildjianMan30]

You're right. Indian still doesn't self-finance. Spite needs to get over his grudgy feelings.

[@pocketlint82]

Nah that was the shop's way of saying you need to be a real American and change your own dang oil. Jk😂

[@mrmatt7210]

@@pocketlint82 either cars are getting lower or I'm getting fatter. I would need a lift .

[@VanWo]

No. You should take it personally. If you can’t get a motorcycle loan it’s 100% your fault for having shit credit, not the bank, not Indian or anyone else. Also, he didn’t clarify if he didn’t qualify, or if he just didn’t qualify for the 0% offer.

[@maxmorgan4453]

My Grandfather purchased a new Indian chief after WW2 it was army surplas in a packing crate and he had to assemble it himself. We are in England, so I guess not everything got shipped back over to USA after the war. He sold the bike eventually to buy a car, I am sure it is quite valuable now if it still exists.

[@MrLou8888]

I listened carefully to Spike. I don't have a dog in this fight. But what I heard was obviously thinly vailed in his preference. So I'm thinking the point is "I like this not that." Thanks for sharing.

[@nicktd]

Agreed. He contradicted his own justifications. Every single one of them. He said it himself at the end, he prefers the Harley's because they give him "the fizz" and Indians don't. Fair enough, should have said that in the beginning. lol.

[@bmagada]

@@nicktd That still makes no sense as to why he wont at least try to get on media events and try their bikes. Its almost as if he would rather miss the content then have the possibility of a changed opinion. It just seems odd.

[@jaxager]

​@@bmagadaThat's the thing - he does go to media events and he has done videos for Indians on his channel and when he was with Yammie Noob. He always likes them. I really don't get why he is dissing on them, here. And blaming Indian for Harley's lack of innovation is just about the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

[@nicktd]

@@bmagada I agree completely but there's not much worse than working with something you hate. Making content on KZbin is hard enough as is , much worse when sucking the life out of creating a video on a product you don't and likely won't ever like.

[@MrLou8888]

@bmagada completely agree. I think most of us are here for bike content. All bikes. I still think the scout is absolutely gorgeous.

[@softgunruler]

I think that Indian, from an objective point of view, are just technically better Harleys, but from a subjective point of view, if you don't like it, you don't like it. Personally I think a couple of them look better than the Harley equivalent, and some look worse, but overall they are close calls.

[@chai1116]

Hate the tiny little micro headlight, coupled with the micro tiny little ground clearance.

[@SuperCruzzer]

I own a Indian Challenger and a chief but I hate them both compared to my Harley. They have so many stupid little problems that I can never get on my Indians without being annoyed. Plastics are super cheap, dealerships have terrible service, aftermarket support just isn't as developed.

[@camerongreen7242]

Chief line > softails, Indian touring models < Harley touring models This is my opinion and I stand by it

[@SuperCruzzer]

@camerongreen7242 From factory, I'd agree

[@m3talc0re]

Indians aren’t better than Harleys.

[@curtwilliams1190]

Lots of personal opinion, and not much in the way of unbiased comparisons. Much of your content is admirable, but this came off like a gossip column.

[@dudenamedclem]

As intended.

[@lateknights1]

No shit sherlock, he‘s literally saying that he’s biased af throughout the whole video

[@fogboundturtle]

You don't hate Indian, you are just a Harley fanboy. There is nothing wrong with that btw. At least you know what you like

[@MightyMouzMoto]

Who, when, where, why a motorcycle was or wasn't originally made doesn't matter! I don't understand why anyone brings that up about either company. All that matters is quality, reliability, and performance. That's it. And they both make good bikes. And the only thing that doesn't look great on the Indian Springfield is that front fender. Otherwise, it's a great looking bike.

[@ezpoppy55]

As a retired teacher, I love history. But, when I’m buying a product, I’m interested in what it is NOW, not what it was 100+ years ago. I mean, that history is fun and enjoyable - just not relevant to what I use to judge a possible purchase. Motorcycles are, by and large, a luxury purchase in the US. True for me. I didn’t need one. I wanted one. I do tend to go contrarian, buying products that most don’t - but it needs to be quality product. That’s most important. After shopping around for a few weeks back in November 2019, I chose a Scout. Added some accessories to get the look and features I wanted, and I’ve been a very happy rider ever since. And I get a lot of compliments on my ride. And I always smile when I’m walking up to and away from my bike. Your mileage may vary. 😊

[@808pineapple]

Well said “teach”, mahalo 🤙🏼

[@JJPelszynski]

Also completely in love with my Scout Bobber. It’s a ton of fun and is an ideal companion to my XSR900. Harleys are super cool and definitely have their place in the market too. Love to ALL motorcycles.