Why Effect is more important than ZIO by John A. De Goes (Effect Days 2024)

[@calvinfernandes1054]

John is an absolute beast, very thankful for him

[@therealfubhy]

A living legend.

[@devagr]

Can't wait for Michael's closing keynote to drop

[@web_dev_cz]

Beautiful. Very informative and educative, thank you very much!

[@basix250]

Really enjoyed the talk!

[@asclepeos]

It takes a lot to do a whole presentation with a bold title claiming that "friend's work is more important than my work"

[@MVPhurricane]

sure does. quite the magnaminity.

[@coder_one]

27:44 - The stagnation, or rather stability, of the JS ecosystem is the biggest bane of JS. The JS ecosystem is a world where the slightest update to package.json dependencies can bring down an entire application. Frozen API is a concept unfortunately unknown in the JS world.

[@Rodolfodpk]

That's one of best Java cornerstones

[@jrdn5206]

Wouldn’t it be lovely if node core (or Bun if they truly want to take over) take into account community suggestions as well as most top most popular libraries and bake them into core to give a more stable feeling. Most of my personal OSS projects solve a specific task in something running in production so most of them haven’t seen updates in ages, though most now can’t run on newest versions of the frameworks I wrote them for. The need for a standard http library, orm, validation library, etc would be huge.

[@MrDejvidkit]

By the way, you can compile ZIO to JS with scala-js. I am interested how typescript effect is different from this.

[@michaelarnaldi6680]

You're really looking for the differences between scala-js which is a compile-to-js language and typescript that is just js with types. The design of ZIO is optimized for the JVM, using it in JS will be inefficient in terms of tree shaking and generally developer experience in using anything that comes from npm. That said if a team uses Scala and only knows Scala, it is a valid alternative

[@jonathanwinandy]

Scala.Js may have a better design that typescript (to be precisely evaluated), and is optimized for JS ... But it's definitely not correctly advertised as such. The reach argument is a compelling one, for sure.

[@michaelarnaldi6680]

a small test can easily show you that a minimum bundle of an app with zio in scala.js is 10x (if not more) the size of an effect one, and the zio-scheduler can end up blocking timers too.

[@brian-jv1nw]

I always thought FP needed better PR

[@carloslfu]

This guy is the king of dev marketing!

[@carloslfu]

I mean, being able to maket FP ... jk 😁👀

[@seannewell397]

WOAH. Dang what a title

[@moneyfr]

Is there free tutorials?

[@GallowsofGhent]

Really cool that Johnny Sins agreed to do this talk.

[@joebowbeer]

26:19 re. innovation, I see this as more of an obligation than a strategy to win. If you build on the work of predecessors, then you can "repay" this debt to prior innovation by asking new questions and making new mistakes so others can build on your work.

[@clementdato6328]

After watching this, i gain zero knowledge of what effect actually is and has to actually click into a link from a comment to look at it. 😅

[@michaelarnaldi6680]

The objective of this talk is not to introduce effect, keep in mind it was given to the audience of an effect-specific conference

[@anarchymatt]

Excited for the success of the Effect crowd Sad that JS continues to grow

[@coder_one]

Too bad your comment lacks a logical cause and effect sequence

[@Choovague]

ok when bash?

[@calvinfernandes1054]

Push the frontiers of what’s possible. “Why” LMFAO

[@MrGarkin]

there is something uncanny about technological evangelism, greg young vibes

[@fb-gu2er]

You won’t get wider adoption of ZIO by promoting TS 😂

[@michaelarnaldi6680]

That's Ok, not everything has to be promotion. I am grateful to John for having expressed so well something that has always been on my mind, making Effect in TS was a bet, even I thought for long that it couldn't work but I knew if it did then we had the chance of bringing FP to a mainstream language

[@calvinfernandes1054]

If there is more use of commercial FP, that is a win for all of the functional programming communities - be it TypeScript, Scala or Haskell 😊

[@kirk7880]

You missed the part where he showed data that Typescript is a very popular language 😂

[@ianliu88]

Agree with everything but his views on politics. You simply cannot escape politics, and some decisions aren't technical, or doesn't have a clear metric to be optimized for.

[@MVPhurricane]

no one cares