Why electric scooters are illegal in New York and London

[@TheVerge]

Are e-scooters popular where you are? Do you want to see more, or less?

[@mrizaubaidillah1720]

Jakarta also ban e-scooters.

[@RaymondXperia]

Singapore Land Transport Authority (LTA) collects SGD$20 for registration of e-scooters approved models after a series of accidents. Now, it is getting banned on pavements and only allowed in parks. Singapore pavements hardly have a separate cycle line. Likely, its gonna be banned soon too.

[@gusti187]

I‘m from germany and I would like to see less.

[@Eikido22]

Definitely more. The more electric scooters are on the roads, the less cars are on the roads.

[@dsjc_]

Super popular in Singapore but many of them are reckless riders which is why it is very heavily enforced now

[@sammq4499]

20 people being injured riding scooters yet they don't talk about thousands of people being killed driving cars, trucks ...

[@obvious_giraffe8386]

Or walking

[@sin3369]

I know right? It's just money involved!

[@scorpa106]

And bicycles

[@lionelhowell4972]

WELL, this turned out to be a LIE!!!!! these are now being ENCOURAGED!!!!!!

[@johanolsson9249]

a bike can go faster then a 250w el scooter FFS

[@AbsolutelyRandomUsername]

OI LAD HAVE YOU GOT A LOICENCE FOR THAT SCOOTER M8?

[@christianjvi]

OI M8, U GOT A LOICENZE FO DAT LOICENSEE????

[@Wertdante]

@@christianjvi "loicenze"

[@crimi.photos]

Pelu bruh

[@TheLondonCyclist]

Maaaaattteeeee..... Yes, mate? Got s license, fella? No... Maaaatteeee

[@x_obert2177]

British moment

[@jizzlecizzle1388]

Stating a rate for accidents on e-scooters without presenting one for pedestrians, bikes, non-car motorized vehicles is useless as in cannot be compared and nothing can be assessed in regards to the danger of the transportation mode.

[@dozyproductionss]

Even without comparison, the amount of accidents didn't seem like an 'alarming rate' of anything.

[@CatatonicImperfect]

20 accidents for every 100 olympic sized swimming pools. a minute!!

[@SuismS3]

Probably because most bike accidents are hit and runs that are unreported unless it was a serious accident. Non-car motorized vehicles are too broad to pinpoint a specific vehicle and statistics regarding it. Again, it's like bikes where it's usually unreported unless it was a serious accident.

[@16driver16]

@@CatatonicImperfect ah yes, Olympic swimming pools per minute... the standard measurement where i live...

[@chuckmaddison2924]

We also get some crapping off about all the people killed by sharks here in Australia. In reality there is a more risk parking your car at Kmart.

[@mangarang]

That “alarming rate” of scooter injury comes out to .02%. Not 20%, not 2%, but less than 1/10th of 1%. If you find that rate alarming then you should stay indoors, wrapped in bubble wrap, and never go outside.

[@izyg9274]

@@Slixbrah that's not how percentages work

[@SuperCavaliersfan]

@@Slixbrah that's not how percentages work. Also, Lime alone did 5 million miles of trips last year...

[@EduardoGonzalez-bm1mk]

Slixbrah are you stupid ? Is a % you te telling me a 0,2% of 100 is higher than a 0.2% of 100000000 ...

[@ssss-df5qz]

The dude in NY is a bit thick if he thinks that 0.02% is alarming >_

[@ColinMill1]

As I have mentioned elsewhere there are just under 1600 road-related deaths per year in the UK for a total vehicle mileage of 280 billion. That works out at 1 fatality for every 175 million vehicle miles (amongst the lowest in the world due to endless pressure on government from BREAK etc). No government in the UK can be seen to preside over even a small increase in these figures without coming in for serious flack. It matters not one bit that you are 4 times more likely to be killed in an accident in your own home than you are on the road - only RoSPA care and compared to BREAK they are totally silent.

[@julienthibeault8597]

they don't want you to get around for cheap

[@eddieroadrunner6691]

All three comments here are spot on 👍🏻

[@jellyboy123]

true

[@nicee_guys]

Thank god no one pays attention to riding a Boosted Board in the middle of a street

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Well most people who ride boosted boards own them, which means they don't just leave them on the side of the street when they are finished with them.

[@codycast]

CallMeRabbitzUSVI but London is fining owners of scooters (since sharing isn’t available)

[@NullHyp]

I was stopped buy police in France riding a board along a quiet side street and they threatened to confiscate and destroy it if they caught me on the road again. 😅

[@NatsumeKonno]

Electric Skateboards are much more powerful with belt drives anyways. Most E Scooters are hub drives.

[@micro2cool]

@Yalondi Supherfon Even if they did say something, they'd never catch you

[@bugattisteve]

Imagine getting a driving ban for riding a scooter.....

[@patmccaffery1543]

I know.... pathetic. You get 6 points on your driving licence for having no insurance and driving at any speed, i e (70 mph) but you would get the same for riding a scooter at 15 mph... ridiculous..!!

[@dannycavrois4381]

Here in Belgium e scooters are regulated,we want to see more of Them, less cars,less polution in the citys and its so mutch fun to drive

[@noname-yt7uf]

That's because main land Europe is on the whole very rational. Take the short hop over the Channel and you're in crazy land.

[@amxaas4450]

"Pollution, Pollution, pollution" Nothing like getting brainwashed buddy.

[@sleepyjoe7843]

Yes, I think max 25km/hour is sweetspot for scooters and is in general considered a bike. Above that up to 45 you need licence and wear a helmet and follow one direction traffic rules. Except I don't like law that you are forced to use a seat if you go at 45km/hour, it wont do you any good.

[@nibskie1304]

Scooters with pedals on the sides for no reason but to bylass the bike lane law ;))))

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

It also has to have a seat though. For some completely arbitrary reason.

[@budhachandrayumkhaibam6079]

@@iAmTheSquidThing that means unicycles are legal while e scooters are not ??

[@phil2782]

@@budhachandrayumkhaibam6079 I've seen scooters with seats. Does the seat have to be functional?

[@baganatube]

@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx Bicycle literally means two cycles, so skateboards can't be bicycles in English-speaking countries :D. I guess the word in Russian has a different etymology? :D

[@RaveN_EDM]

@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx what about electric motocycles?

[@corax2012]

They will be legalized as municipalities figure out how to tax, fee, and license the heck out of owners.

[@patmccaffery1543]

Ain't that the truth..!!

[@Ball_Chat_FC]

Insurance too

[@greg6162]

And a yearly scooter fee for wear and tear on the pavement 🤣

[@FlyingSourdough]

​@@greg6162LOL

[@coolguy5555551]

New York City technically does *not* ban private ownership of electric scooters, but rather the *rental* electric scooters companies like Lime & Bird are banned.

[@IgWannA2]

But they ban those private owners from using them on public streets.

[@coolguy5555551]

@@IgWannA2 No they don't. I've seen a noticeable portion of people using private scooters on the streets of NYC without any fuss. As long as you're responsible and don't purposely run red lights or ride in a crowded area like a sidewalk, you're fine to ride.

[@healinjunction]

The scooter paradise’s name’s PAAAARIIIIS!! 😍 J’ADOOOREEE

[@blkbeltchef]

On June 21,2019 New York State passed a law that allows people to ride their E scooters on public roads. All of New York including New York City

[@1manairband]

coolguy5555551 thankfully

[@AzanAli-]

0:23 So......my a** isn't allowed on footpath?

[@chef4624]

I live in Bristol, and owned an e-scooter. Everytime I see a police car driving by I stepped down and pretend it is a normal scooter. Works for me

[@DnBSkunk]

I too live in Bristol. I ride an electronic unicycle to work. Each day I ride past a police hangout area on my way to and from work and they’ve never bothered me

[@otakuman9576]

Lol

[@Awesomedude2004]

Lol I live in London and do exactly the same thing everyday 😂👍

[@romarioballoon7319]

I neither live in Bristol nor in London. I cannot do what you can do, because I do not have a scooter or a bike.

[@MrPottagepie]

@@romarioballoon7319 lol

[@brian5470]

The scooter in the thumbnail has a face

[@Abebil3]

Did someone call me? ಠ_ಠ

[@sisir360]

Oh no.

[@Tom-xy9gb]

Reminds me of Big Hero 6

[@adriang3492]

Thanks... now I can't unsee it...

[@brian5470]

@@Tom-xy9gb You mean Baymax?😂

[@JacobAndJamal]

San Antonio here (an hour south from Austin), originally I thought e scooters were a fad; then I visited some other cities where it was the most practical transportation . Cities need to improve transportation options in general . In America we are TOO dependent on cars; from highways, to parking lots, to building construction, we have put too much stock in these big metal boxes that typically are carrying only one person. Lack of trains, subways, efficient bus systems, bike lanes and walking paths are long overdue in most the country.

[@ohHeyKev]

This is why I want my first vehicle to be a motorcycle or buy another faster electric scooter. I hate the way us Americans have this one sided focus on cars and building the entire country around them as if they are the most efficient way to travel. Recently I visited Long beach which I gotta say I was amazed at how so many people were riding on bikes and e-scooters and it felt so foreign to me because in my city which is a bit far from Long Beach, I get looks and stares as I'm riding down the street with my scooter as if I was on some floating hoverboard.

[@northerner4995]

If you look at say Japan they also have a lot of cars but the difference is people don't want the largest suburban or escalade. Our car are also much larger, less efficient and more expensive that what most people would drive in Japan or else Where.

[@dsjc_]

Escooters are also very well hated here in Singapore, people ride them so recklessly and they are the reason for so many accidents, they're not even allowed to use them on the road and thus have to share the passageway with pedestrians but they always forget that pedestrians are the priority

[@Eikido22]

The mistake comes from the government. They should have never been allowed to be ridden faster than 6 kmh on side walks. They should be allowed on slower roads (

[@stth95]

In Italy is the same. And they leave those everywhere with no regards

[@FreshSmog]

It's terrible how these machines harm the young and the old the most, because they can't get out of the way fast enough. It maims kids and kills the elderly every other week, ridiculous.

[@assiduous_yogi]

The scooters aren't going away (nor should they), the world is changing, people need to adapt. Not saying it's ok to be reckless and hurt innocent pedestrians of course

[@imbleu1067]

They have rentable electric scooters on the street in Moscow too. It was amazing.

[@archief1]

I nearly died at least twice already because of drunk scooter users in Moscow centre

[@souparnomajumder]

no horse on the side walk, can i bring in my elephant ?

[@kevino1489]

Yes

[@manishkumar31191]

I'm in 😂✌

[@ssss-df5qz]

Yes because the stupid law didn't say "any animal". That's the problem with legislation - it's written by morons with ulterior motives. Usually when they realise they are losing tax they will legislate quickly.

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

I don't hate the scooters themselves but I hate the idea of them and how they are implemented. Scooter companies rely on circumventing the rules and instead of putting out a reasonable amount of scooters, they are dumping large amounts of scooters on the streets to compete with one another. This in turn turns every sidewalk in my city (Atlanta) into a mess of thrown to the ground scooters and some are even cluttering up bike lanes (The few that we do have in Atlanta). In addition to that it encourages the worst behavior in people where once they've reached their destination they just toss it and go since it isn't their problem. And to add to all of this the scooters are charged by people picking up the scooters and loading them in the back of truck which causes undo traffic at the end of the day since they are illegally stopping in the street stopping entire lanes of traffic which is only worsened on the weekends.

[@firstthingsfast9292]

But they shouldnt be banned outright. Its about the user not the e scooter itself

[@uptowndunker6346]

@@firstthingsfast9292 when stuff like that happens hell ya ban them. Cant have nice things can we

[@madboyreadynow28]

The media keep singling out the deaths of people riding scooters. Accidents happen. People do in car accidents, motorcycles, trucks, trains, airplanes, simple walking people are hit and killed. Kids have been killed on skateboards. Let’s not single out scooters as if they are a problem. I was in Austin over the summer and it was so much fun ridding downtown.

[@andreglud]

You've forgotten an important aspect in this video. How electric scooters could be integrated. You should have a look at the Scandinavian countries who have embraced them in collaboration with the companies.

[@jozefbrodala5318]

I live in Gothenburg and they are horrible here, they are just left on the side of the street and I saw people crashing all the time because they have no idea how to ride them

[@eyeislet2170]

I feel like "you should have a look at the Scandinavian countries" could apply to everything at this point.

[@Baalenciaga666]

Jozef Brodala oh please

[@jozefbrodala5318]

@@Baalenciaga666 Oh please what? They are often left in the middle of the street and I have seen three crashes on top of one my colleague had

[@parisgansmuelly1052]

@@eyeislet2170 Thats racism. You're saying white people do thimgs the best.

[@blkbeltchef]

Just found this on KZbin, in NYC there has been a law since 2018 and updated to allow use of e-scooters on public roads. So I don’t understand how lazy these guys were before they posted this video. You can ride your personal e-scooter on the road in NYC as long as you don’t go above 25mph. There are updates continuously, so keep checking your municipality websites.

[@bodsworthnj]

Paris put in place new rules in October and it's been working quite well. Scooters are completely banned on pavements but are allowed to use cycle and bus lanes. You're not allowed to park on the pavement either, but special dedicated e-scooter parking spaces are being put in place by the local government.

[@joakoc.6235]

So, you can't use an scooter but you can go with an electric longboard between cars without helmets and at the speed you want?

[@mad-b264]

I RODE PAST 2 POLICE OFFICERS THE OTHER DAY ON MY SCOOTER AN THEY MOVED ASIDE FOR ME, WITH A SMILE, I HAVE RODE IT ON PAVEMENT AN SEEN POLICE, THEY NEVER STOPPED ME, PERSONALLY E-SCOOTERS ARE AMAZING EVERYONE SHOULD BE USING EM, PLUS IT PUTS THE FUN BACK INTO TRAVELLING, AMAZING FORM OF TRANSPORT, EVEN BETTER FOR THE GLOBAL WARMING ISSUE..............

[@cbkenison]

I think you need to draw a line between personal scooters, and the scourge of e-waste rental scooters, which have lifespan shorter than your average flea. Rental scooters should not be allowed to dump their shady VC money on city streets with absolutely zero responsibility towards their disposal

[@Angultra]

I was in Portland recently which has tons of scooter shares, seems to work well with zero issues with littering (the app makes you take a photo of where you put it and can report others). Fun way to get around for sure.

[@Angultra]

@@MultiTutting Oregon

[@paddydeane1295]

I think we need to start the process of completely banning cars from entering city’s

[@ajjesus2168]

Ban car only travel on holiday or work ban cars sound good to me

[@northerner4995]

Got to start by adding trains and bike lanes first

[@Eikido22]

One of the best things i've ever bought is my electric scooter. I bought one and quickly realized it was awesome and needed more range so i sold it and bought another one. I now move all over my city faster than any other vehicle. If you don't get one yourself and try it out, you will never ever understand. One of the biggest dangers for scooter riders are other larger vehicles and a proper scooter driver behavior which many lacks. Especially on rental ones. I fully agree that we need a complete infrastructure change to increase safety.

[@oyblech8671]

call me naive but can you explain to me what's wrong with the plain old kick scooter?

[@NobleTenz]

What kind of scooter do u recommend to buy

[@Eikido22]

@@NobleTenz stick to inokim or minimotors scooters for quality

[@Werevertumoto]

I'll rather tolerate idiots on scooters than more cars in the city stoping, adding traffic, pollution, and taking more parking spots

[@jasper_of_puppets]

Seriously. People often complain about the idiots on e-scooters as though idiots in cars haven't caused FAR WORSE problems.

[@Musafeer360]

We're lucky over here in France. We can use our own electric scooters on bus line and bikes line. There's regulations of course, like speed regulations, accessories for protection, insurance etc .and for e-scooters companies, now, there's specific areas where to park them. There's specific zone where to use them. Even speed is regulated automatically when you reach a crowded public zone. And if you try to go outside the zone the e-scooter stop automatically too. Last thing, some cities don't let more that 2 or 3 e-scooter companies to use their area. I can tell you that London and NYC can come and learn from us. That's why now in France we can use our e-scooter freely with peace of mind. Maybe

[@mcyummy.9356]

Exactly as it should be. A clean efficient practical mode of transport should not be allowed in cities where you have large amounts of people trying to get around and go about their business. They should enforce a law so that only petrol scooters are allowed or ban them completely so that the numbers of cars increase because that has been proven to work brilliantly. They should also scrap cycle lanes and create Hummer lanes for an all round healthier environment for all.

[@grofflek3250]

“City regulators can’t keep up with e-scooters” - e-scooters aren’t a new thing anymore, they haven’t been new for two years now, yet city regulators can’t keep up. If they couldn’t have produced reasonable regulations in these two years, they should all be let go.

[@il_Presepe]

From NYC DOT: E-scooters are allowed in NYC. They have handlebars and a floorboard or seat, and may be powered by electric and/or human power. You must not operate an e-scooter in excess of 15 MPH. E-scooters may be ridden in bike lanes and on streets with speed limits no greater than 30 MPH. Do not ride e-scooters on sidewalks.Helmets are recommended for all e-scooter riders, and required for 16 and 17 year olds.

[@codycast]

5:00 why are they simply filming a phone (sitting on a rock?) showing video vs just displaying the actual output. Odd choice

[@i20010]

Because this is what millennial brains are accustomed to. They have to see a frame in order to look at something.

[@suzybarnett3886]

I used LIME rental scooters extensively in Stockholm during the summer of 2019. The rule there is that if you are on the pavement you can't go faster than pedestrians, if you are in the cycle lane you have to go at the speed of a bicycle. Very simple. E-scooters would cut congestion & improve air quality in every town in the UK - they are clean and they are silent. I bought one as soon as I returned to the UK and use it occasionally to get into the local town - our town is permanently gridlocked and there is not enough car parking. E-scooters are a logical step in cutting emissions and removing traffic jams. I think they are much safer than bicycles, if ridden sensibly, because you are close to the ground, you can react quickly to the environment around you. If people are worried about an excess of rental scooters littering the streets, then at least allow privately owned scooters. I think having an age limit of 17+ would be useful, and the same rules of the road as Stockholm in terms of where you ride them. I hope the UK reviews their laws soon, because the environmental benefits are enormous.

[@the_canyon_carver]

Hmmm what's in common between NY and London... MASSIVE TAXI INFRASTRUCTURE. Interestingly, London just banned Uber again. This isn't about safety, this is about taxi unions.

[@meloD30]

skateboarders: y'all hear smthn?

[@___Me_]

Well here in Berlin the tourists simply abandon them when they reach a bottleneck: blocking bike lanes, bridges, gates and crossings everywhere. Outside the city centre, where they would actually be a usefull addition for the last mile they are nowhere to be found. The irony is that these scooters reduce mobility, uber causes more car traffic, and Airbnb removes living space and increases rents for the locals.

[@Baalenciaga666]

Me you really went a little off there at the end ^^

[@ashleymalamute]

E-scooters are literally the biggest revolution in urban transportation, and have all the benefits of the bicycle, with almost none of the negatives. So it only makes sense to ban them.

[@craigwflys]

Here in LA in the past 4 months I've seen a huge collapse of the rental companies (and I was a charger for Bird and Lime). They've never made a profit and have had to raise their prices and ridership has gone done immensely as a result. Plus it was kind of a fad and the novelty has worn off. The way to go is to own your own.

[@DarcersTech]

The scooters are amazing but don’t know why you would use the shared scooters. They charge a fortune, yet the scooters themselves are relatively affordable to buy outright.

[@NatsumeKonno]

Yea they use a Xiaomi thats about $400-500 its not bad price. $1000 can get you a ecoreco L5 thats about 30miles range. If your in a hill area Boosted Rev got that covered at $1500. Then theres the nanrobot for the 45+ mph speed scooters for $2k and up

[@COBARHORSE1]

I think people like the shared scooters because they don't have to worry about what to do with them once they get to where they are going.

[@king489]

Car, airplane, scooter, bikes...all they contain risk...

[@davidnich3394]

I spend a lot of time at the gym on a walking machine to make up for lost exercise using e-scooter.

[@LashanR]

I think the problem with scooters and their riders (and why there's so many accidents) is that so many scooter riders don't hold a driver's licence. Without a driver's licence they simply don't know how to behave on the roads in a way that's safe for them and everyone else, or have the intuition to do blind spot checks and general spatial awareness. Saying this as a cyclist who can see the same issue with cyclists who have never held a licence.

[@MinimotorsUnitedKingdom]

That's the real argument and practical discussion that should be had. Move the attention towards the rider.

[@Nixonbutcher]

I think it's not necessary to own a driver license to drive a escooter... everyone knows red light means stop and green light means you can go,

[@Funkywallot]

IF all scooter companys applied for a City License before starting their business ,they all would have been rejected. So, they just dumped scooters on the streets and wait for the city councils to react.

[@oddjob4877]

We live in Spain and the rules for scooters are sensible....if you are on an electric scooter then 1. You have to use a bike lane if there is one. 2. On major roads you have to use the pavement. 3. On minor roads you must use the road not the pavement. It works well.

[@fredlunjevich]

I loved e-scooters from the moment I saw a Lime scooter on our streets in Auckland, New Zealand. Now, Lime has just had it's licence expire and not renewed, however there are other providers. I've done 300 trips in the past year and just find it incredibly useful way to get around given how vast Auckland city is and how public transport can't be relied upon all the time due to low population density. Getting around on hills and between popular public transport routes (sometimes a few kilometres apart) has made life so much easier in suburbs. Unfortunately, the city council is introducing stupid curfew laws for scooters after about 11pm, which is when I have gained most benefit from scooting (few cars on the road and much cheaper than Uber).

[@i20010]

So you have scooter lanes there?

[@fredlunjevich]

@@i20010 No scooter lanes. We use pavements and cycle lanes, of which there are an increasing number around the city.

[@ReijiReiji2014Nishikawa]

Singapore also banned them

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Good

[@teoweiler]

Big bruh moment

[@Baalenciaga666]

Why could that be?!

[@shahridzchannel]

Just banned all vehicle, and everyone just walk... So no more accidents right?? Or just educate people?? Which one is better??

[@darkdiamondd]

I ride my electric scooter and police always see me and dont say anything And I live in Brooklyn new york

[@lionelhowell4972]

they are totally accepted , this story is old news!!!!

[@rotinoma]

Still kind of hard to see how NYC Midtown can allow for Lime and the like. It actually has somewhat of a functional mass transit system for one, unlike a lot of other American cities. Roadside real estate is expensive and scarce as is, really will have to limit the number of scooters in that area.

[@grazz7865]

Escooters ARE legal in NY. Might want to check the laws

[@ArunNalluri]

I live in Hoboken just accross the Hudson from NYC and shared scooters are awesome! Although a little expensive for daily use.

[@samspencer7765]

Put them in the bike lane. You're about the right size and speed for them.

[@NatsumeKonno]

Depends who run the state. Escooters to me should be on the road. They can go up to 25mph for most. Even higher.

[@samspencer7765]

@@NatsumeKonno which escooters are those?! Mine is one of the faster ones I've seen that maxes out at 30kmph aka just under 20mph, I keep pace with most bikes and am overtaken just about by the speedy guys on competition bikes in lycra. I've seen custom scooters that are made to be faster but the most popular (xiaomi, kugoo) are all under 20mph.

[@NatsumeKonno]

@@samspencer7765 Boosted Rev or EcoReco can do 25MPH/40KPH Nanrobots can do 45+MPH / 72KPH. Of course there are more brands like big wheel. But im just saying. You can say they look like the Xiaomi but larger and lots of hill power.

[@michaelmichael3126]

Been driving em E scooter here in Queens & Brooklyn I've bought my E scooter 4 yrs ago & its a better option then the subway. the only thing thats really dangerous in the streets is them potholes nyc hasn't fixed for years

[@jonlebono2147]

The number of reported injuries is small because E scooters do not have registration numbers and riders are likely to run away making it near impossible to provide a description . Based on the number riding on pavements here in London sometimes while texting in crowded pedestrian areas, the number might be 10 to 20 times higher with the elderly, disabled or young children likely to be the most at risk.

[@MentalEdge]

Its really about the particular city's infrastructure, if there are clear roads and bike lanes for PEVs to be used on they are fantastic. Here in Helsinki they were a bit chaotic at first, but etiquette has quickly developed around where they should be ridden, bike lanes and slow roads. Where to park, around metro stations, shopping malls and grocery stores, and when possible next to bike racks. Laws limit the rentable ones to a fastish jogging pace which while difficult to maintain on foot without getting winded still allows one to very safely bail on the scooter when hitting a pothole. Only privately owned PEVs can go faster and helmets are highly encouraged all around. The rentable scooters seem to have fit in next to the pre-existing city sponsored shared bikes and a lot of the etiquette has crossed over. People actually carry helmets when intending to commute using one of these. There are also clear laws around electrically powered vehicles and they very sensibly are given a power limit below which they may be used like bikes and above which they are only to be used on roads. We are in the middle of a shift in transport culture, social norms and etiquette will only come with time, but hating on them because some people use them "for evil" so to speak is unreasonable.

[@jonyfany8763]

Because they don't generate loads of money like cars.

[@tylsim]

The enforcement against immigrant e-bike delivery couriers in NYC is *MUCH HARSHER* than any enforcement against scooters anywhere.

[@philosophicalutopia9297]

I live way upstate. Nyc is congested. I'm an older person Who has a big seated mototec scooter. I'm adding blinkers and good lights. I follow traffic laws and wear a helmut. This video is not all true. In mid 2022, cops. Know we're here to stay!

[@000aisman000]

These companies use the same strategy as uber. Introducing scooters before legislation is in the place to speed things up.

[@erickim3710]

Wrong. You can privately own a scooter in NYC. Bill has been passed. Change your video title.

[@polarspirit]

It's impossible to close the floodgates once you open it

[@ginofoogle6944]

Scooters should have brake lights and signals and perhaps the need for a reflective jacket and it should be legal... Less cars means a better environment.. people don't want to wait in traffic to get to work forever and public transport is getting crazier by the day.. LEGALIZE IT!

[@kxne514]

Quality video and journalism, thanks The Verge! :)

[@FabianBosman]

And the funny part is, The Netherlands is made for bicycles, the roads are nice...but our government is also way behind with the laws and regulations. Scooters, Onewheels and Boosted Boards are still not allowed.

[@TedThomasTT]

I'd much rather get hit by someone on a scooter than a bike.

[@squashedmike]

5 days in hospital and a titanium rod in my arm and 5 months later i still have a frozen shoulder and nerve damage causing my left hand to not work properly. Yay electric scooters!!

[@nicholassmith82]

I'm from the US, and I'll be working in London for the next 2 years. I purchased one today out of necessity because my commute isn't too far and it isn't too close, but I now have to keep it in a closet until I come back. Now it'll collect dust for the next 2 years. This is by far the most counter-intuitive piece of "legislation" I've ever heard.

[@smoxesss]

bring it you will be ok we ride them all over the UK i have 3 its fine just ride with care am from UK by the way

[@ironeo]

It's perfectly legal now so it might be a good idea to remove this video

[@sisir360]

Here in Atlanta there’s a huge variety of e-scooters and they’re scattered all around downtown Atlanta. They’re supposed to be ridden in the bike lane but everyone rides em on the sidewalks and nobody really cares. So glad they’re not banned here, because they’re super fun to ride!

[@SwissTanuki]

In Switzerland the e-scooter are legal as long they are not faster then 20kmh. They also have to take the bike lanes and are forbidden on the side walk.

[@yonathwin]

This electric scooter is also become issue in Jakarta right now. The government warns the user to not use it on the road and sidewalk and starting to fine the user.

[@Mr.D.Michael]

You will feel far safer in an eScooter than a Bicycle. With a eScooter you have the wattage to rescue you from sudden situations or unexpected hazards. With a bike, if you're tiring or out of breath...

[@TheLondonCyclist]

I ride an escooter, but I must say cycling is much, much safer.

[@pawelmackowiak2248]

All Europe using them and it's OK so people in UK are from the glass? To much this safety first, when I was brake my leg , I lern to don't do that again, pain is the best teacher if are not responsible for this what you doing. Scooters should be OK if you have driving license and over 25years old

[@northerner4995]

I think it's more about the safety of other people, but I like what your saying

[@Jimbo_Jumbo]

The real reason they aren't in London is because TFL know they would lose a lot of money if people were using scooters instead of buses and tubes.

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

No its because London is a congested city as it is and unregulated massive amounts of scooters would only make it worse

[@mihnealazar7039]

CallMeRabbitzUSVI exactly! Same situation in Bucharest but on a smaller scale.

[@coverup7428]

I’m looking at getting one and can’t wait for uk laws to be updated, they are incredibly fun. Crips with invalid carriages are dangerous to pedestrians yet those are allowed, why?

[@michaelanderson9792]

What will happen when jet packs and flying cars are in the mix

[@TheLondonCyclist]

50 years, this will be the case.

[@troyeakb6314]

Come to Paris, Berlin, Munich, Milan, Madrid or Barcelona You would find many e scooters

[@iSucrose]

I just purchased an electric scooter today without checking the law for my state (NJ) first😅

[@leerob2403]

6 deaths in NY last year on electric bikes/scooters?! That’s it?! They talk about it like that’s really bad. In NY, where anyone with a credit card can ride those anywhere?! I see that as a success! Not bad at all. Am I wrong to think that 6 deaths is not a lot??

[@danieldaniels7571]

Robert Lee it’s nothing compared to the deaths in cars, and no one is suggesting banning them

[@brianhardern273]

Minimum standard's don't work if you look now there are e- bikes and e-scooters thatdo 60mph on the road no minimum speed regulations will catch or stop them the only was is registration and mot

[@Jeff034]

No scooter sharing companies, min safety standards, top speed limiters of 10km/he then go for it. Great machines.

[@derekgargan5080]

In Spain they are now legal if registered, number plate, insurance and rider wearing a helmet. Recent fine was 1000e no ins 500e no licence. Smaller fine for no helmet.

[@masalachai2423]

EScooter must be driven inside bicycle roads.

[@cornovii3012]

What is the figure for people walking who are involved in accidents in the exact same areas these statistics have been conducted.

[@dannydan7201]

In Australia scooters are legal. They are not permitted on main roads with the exception of when crossing at a pedestrian crossings then you immediately have to ride it on the sidewalk. Personally I wouldn't dare ride it on the road because of crazy drivers in the city. Actually you gotta be out of your mind to ride it on the road with the unknown potholes etc. If you stick to the side walks you are relatively safe. In Australia the sidewalks are mostly pretty wide enough for both foot traffic and scooters. I personally don't ride it fast when there are big crowds of people on the foot path. I slow down and when the opportunity arises where the footpath is wide enough I would pass them. When on the side walks in the metro city areas you have to be stupid to go fast because you don't know when a truck or lorry pops out from carpark entrances and exits. I can imagine there are risks involved. I familiarise my route and I know all possible cracks in the road or where the carpark entrances are where cars can magically appear in front of you when riding on the footpath. Maybe they should allow people to have their own scooter and get rid of the commercial ride share companies. If people had their own personal escooter they would not leave it out on the street to get stolen because they are expensive as hell. People can place them under their desks at work or at stow it away at their destination.

[@yanassi]

Its legal in nyc, 30 mph maximum, no highways, no sidewalks. They’re building more and more bicycle lanes, which scooters are using.

[@melchiorhof6557]

In the Netherlands electric scooters are mostly forbidden. Since they are a mechanically propelled vehicle they are in the same category as a special type of moped. They need to have a license plate and insurance, been tested and regulated by the RDW. Only a few types are allowed up till now, with others you can get a fine and confiscation. Not that this often happens though... but still.

[@adicbn]

Uk people are all just cry babies complaining about everything. Also, all accidents that happened with electric scooters are to blame on the riders because they don’t respect the basic rules of using the road. These individuals are a danger to themselves and to everyone else with or without riding a scooter

[@shanksgrandpatz9245]

San Francisco is plagued by them. Their launch wasn't anything rosey either - just plopped them down in various locations and drove off. Thought it was better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Absolutely vile.

[@smithmr1]

I live in the UK I’d love to ride a scooter to work but until the law changes I’ll have to stick to using my car and sit in traffic for two hours a day for a 10 mile round trip spewing exhaust fumes into the air.

[@mikemy100]

How about a bike???

[@rismarksvej]

@@mikemy100 Riding for over 5 miles is NOT OK for every one to begin in the morning.

[@smithmr1]

@@mikemy100 How about grammar lessons?

[@mikemy100]

captain9fingers wym

[@mikemy100]

Yang Z. Electric bike?

[@ted363636]

Scooters are great but it should be forbidden to leave them in the middle of a street cause they seriously ruin city landscape.

[@AlexanderRoseTz]

ToroDron, and cars or mopeds arent?

[@ted363636]

@@AlexanderRoseTz No. Cars and mopeds are parked where they are supposed to. If someone parks a car on in the middle of a sidewalk, they get a ticket.

[@Mellowjay]

It's too much work finding a designated throw away spot for scooters! I guess Robots 5 years down the line can take care of that.

[@KJonesIsMe]

Mellowjay citibike seem to have a solution to their bikes

[@AlexanderRoseTz]

ToroDron, this isn’t the case of south Europe. So I guess you are in N. Amerixa.

[@MFizzle777]

They should allow personal ownership use legal as they figure out rental companies coming in.

[@ayhcenkard2965]

Why the hell cant scooter run in bicycle lane it doesn't make sense

[@MilesBellas]

*CHANGE THE LAWS* *IMPROVE CITIES TO BE SCOOTER AND BICYCLE DOMINANT* .... not car dominant *EV DESCENT TUNNEL NETWORKS = FUTURE*

[@bangkuwarteg4719]

that's interesting, here in indonesia we face the same issue & recently people got run over by car while riding one of these

[@tiloalo]

I find the implementation in Barcelona not bad, escooter need to be parked in spot where a bicycle would be allowed and must be locked. It avoid escooter randomly parked on the sidewalk. Germany take on escooter is also not bad, it's only allowed where bicycle are, you need front and rear brake lights + an insurance (less than 100€ per year).

[@enam0001]

I ride them everywhere in Birmingham and the police don't say anything, I even went up to them to ask if it's legal they said "it's not but we don't mind" 😂