Why Electric Trucks Are Flopping Hard: The Truth Behind the Disaster!

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[@buckystarfinger2487]

We all new EVs were stupid and impractical. Making the mistake larger ain't going to fix it.

[@wanderingfido]

Why do people keep trying to pin nuance to simple situations? EVs is stupid. That's it.

[@michaelw7980]

There is no new magical energy storage technology just around the next corner that will make EVs practical. Lithium ion batteries are the densest energy storage systems ever made, and that ever will be made. We are at the end of the road. My daughter lives in California and I’m genuinely afraid for her with what’s ahead with the insane EV mandates in that state.

[@les_spoddy4073]

And we must remember the damage that Electric trucks cause to the roads because of the extra weight

[@davetuscano5939]

Everything about them is WRONG!

[@Mrbfgray]

This vid is wrong but don't let reality intrude on your emotional needs.

[@GJP1169]

Who couldn't see EV trailers would be a disaster this whole ev experiment will fail

[@raypitts4880]

always load a trailer with batteries

[@cdnrednek1027]

A fully loaded diesel truck can load an average of 45,000 lbs per load in the USA, in Cda about 60,000 lbs can be loaded legally.

[@andrewgraham7659]

Here's a scenario that will definitely play out - Let's say there's a car accident that involves multiple EVS - the emergency vehicles - the ambulance, fire, police, tow-trucks etc are all EVs (due to the mandate) - as one vehicle enters thermal runaway, all the other vehicles are in danger of following suit - the air ambulance turns up (it's electric too) - so that then goes into thermal runaway. Now all the vehicles are ablaze, the fire trucks can put themselves out I suppose but what do you do with the other vehicles? You might reduce your fossil fuel reliance but then you find you are just switching your reliance to another fuel source - which you will have to use the fossil fuels to extract.

[@seaplaneguy1]

Typical cargo for an 80,000 LB semi is 45,000. New combustion tech cargo will be ~ 10,000 to 12,000 LBs more, or 55,000 to 57.,000, depending on goals and needs. New combustion tech semi will be less than 9,500 LB without the trailer, allowing the truck to drive on roads with 10,000 LB limits that are NOT designed for semi trucks. This allows the driver to go to stores while waiting for a load. The driver will have a shower, frig and toilet. The toilet incinerates the waste and water is distilled. The fuel is the water source. 1 gallon fuel = 1 gal water + 2 gal liquid CO2. With liquid CO2 and water, there are almost no fire risks and any fire can be put out easily with water, especially if Ethanol RE-fuel is used. 300 gallons of ethanol would give 10.5 MPG-Ethanol x 300 gal = 3,150 Miles. 456 gallons would give 4,788 miles, allowing semi truck to operate from a central hub. No EV can survive this new combustion tech. There is no HC, NOx, or particulates. It cleans the air as it drives, making it superior to an EV in all ways.

[@jerryfacts9749]

A proper solution has to be devised. Easier said than done. It is obvious we are not ready for EV trucks to be used for long hauls. Too long to charge, and thus making a loss of time and adding up losses for the transport services. For a private EV car user who uses an EV car for local commutes only and has a charger at home, this may be a cost saver for them. But, for commercial operation this is a whole different thing. It is unfortunate the politicians who make these decision about enforcing EVs for commercial use have no idea about reality. They think because they can drive an EV back and forth between their home and office, and leave it on charge overnight it is the viable solution. They are living in a fantasy world when it comes to the reality of commercial vehicles that have to be on the road for many hours at a time, and have to meet deadlines for delivery. When considering the physics and chemistry of how batteries work at present there is no charging solution. Batteries by their nature following the laws of physics need a long period of time to charge. The faster you force a battery to charge the more you reduce its lifespan because the electrodes get hotter during the charge period and this leads to greater rate of erosion of the electrodes, and degrading of the chemical makeup in the dialectic materials used. There are articles published about having batteries that will charge about as fast as filling up a vehicle fuel tanks with liquid fuel. We have a long way to go before we will see such batteries in the market place. This is all experimental and is not yet a dependable and practical technology.

[@DavidReplogle-xp5mr]

It's poor business

[@stephendoherty9855]

sounds like you dont need to worry and no one will buy these things. except i have this weird feeling ev trucks will be the only trucks in 20 years. hopefully mr ramos is ok now! love s

[@inkedkiwi64]

here in the far north an EV car can be on charge for days in the winter and still not get full charge. then you have the fires when the truck could be hauling hazardous materials, electric trucks would be a no go. they may be more environmentally friendly but the making of the batteries is far worse on the environment than any gas powered vehicle will ever be

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

They aren't environmentally friendly at all! The emissions are just not from the tailpipe. The vehicle is demonstrably less efficient throughout it's life, which incidentally is shorter than your average diesel, recycling is a major headache, the battery components are extremely toxic, oh. And performance is, of course temperature dependent too. So, in the far North, I believe it gets quite chilly in the winter. (English sarcasm there) EV's don't like that, the hurricane this last week has shown how good they are in a disaster!

[@justtim9767]

But the government says there the answer to all our problems and they are never wrong.

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

Here in the UK we used to get daily, doorstep milk deliveries using electric vehicles called "milk-floats". They were square boxes with simple controls and MASSIVE lead/acid batteries. They were also slow. (20mph max) Once the round was completed, back to the depot and on charge until the following morning. This worked well for DECADES. The essential point being they were used where the infrastructure was in place and so were effective. The modern models of use are being handled VERY BADLY INDEED. Electric vehicles can have a place, particularly in urban settings but first there has to be MASSIVE investment in infrastructure for both gernerating and distributing the power needed. Right now, small loads, local deliveries are where EV's could possibly score over ICE. However, that investment is patently NOT being made, in fact, the push for solar and wind-power will materially REDUCE generating capacity thereby actually making things WORSE! This really hasn't been thought through at all!!

[@seaplaneguy1]

It will cost 60 cents/kwh ($20/gal equivalent) for a 100% RE grid at home, and 90 c/kwh ($30/gal) at super charger. Making fuel at home with solar thermal (wholesale) will be 3 cents/kwh ($1/gal) and via nuclear (Retail) it will cost 6 cents/kwh ($2/gal). New combustion tech will be 75% efficient at the wheel vs an EV at 85% with a 12% charging loss. This means they are "equal" at the wheel. New combustion is also a heat pump that allows CO2 capture for use in refrigeration units and over night climate control for driver as they sleep. New combustion tech will also use Natural Gas which is $1/gal equivalent or less at home, and 45 cents/gal with industrial feeds. 300 gallons is 1000+ miles of range with a 10 minute fill. . No need for RE fuels to get the low cost fuels at $1/gal. The MPGe is 2x (13.2 MPG) Diesel for a Diesel conversion and 15 MPGe with a new truck. 300 gal volume is 79 gal equiv in NG. 79 x 13.2=1042, and 79 x 15= 1,185 miles. 456 gallons would give ~ 1800 miles which is what 300 gallons in a Diesel would give. So, the energy input will be 20 to 30 times more for an EV semi truck and range 300-400 miles vs 1800 for new combustion. The RE fuel is also 100 times less CO2 than oil based fuel.

[@shermanleung5839]

Want to save the environment? It's simple, tell the consumers to buy less stuff.

[@markus7p512]

Also buy stuff produced nearbe, not from the other side of the world.

[@hobbyfarmer62]

Dangers and pollution aren't unknown but have Been actively hidden by some pushing them so very hard. And yes every pound of batteries is less cargo capacity, and the source of electric for the fleet effects how green they are.

[@juliepura4976]

Who’s gonna build all the power plants needed to Create the power required to charge all these electric vehicles?? Are we gonna use coal like china or nuclear plants like Germany just shutdown ??

[@Travatain]

We had successful electric trucks back in the 1960's they were called milk floats! These full sized trucks are a completely different matter, I can't see how they can be successful.

[@rknight7509]

perfect all very true 👌👌👌we now this but now government listened

[@craiglowen1470]

Electric appears to be the only viable alternative to gas or diesel transportation at the moment. Perhaps within the next 50 years or so it will also become safe and practical. I'm willing to wait.

[@raypitts4880]

how old are you under 40-50

[@kennethboyer2338]

I drive tractor trailer, companies, especially local carriers would need to double the size of their fleets. This is incredibly inefficient and costly. The company I work for is slip seat, a driver on one shift and another on the next shift. Some of these teucks are running 24/7 5 days a week or even 7. These EV trucks are more expensive also. To build the infrastructure is very expensive and then the energy needs. Our grid and generating capacity sucks. I will retire if my company goes this route.

[@neilkurzman4907]

So what you’re trying to say is every tractor-trailer in the United States runs 24 hours a day seven days a week. There was no market for one that only does single shifts.

[@ecospider5]

1 vehicle batteries are never sent to a landfill. They are to valuable

[@jtkrpm1]

Sent to a open field

[@fritzbang4805]

Hydrogen trucks may work when fuel is available. Maybe we can have Hydrogen tankers on call that can deliver fuel to truckers.

[@steveroeder5361]

Don't blame me, I voted for Trump.😉

[@ecospider5]

Range anxiety does not exist after you have driven the route twice

[@BuilderofRat]

If it is cold outside, the truck cabin heater will need to be used. That leads to shorter range. If it is hot outside, the A/C will need to be used. More range taken away.

[@ecospider5]

@BuilderofRat Exactly. And because you are using an electric heat pump you can calculate how much energy is needed to heat and cool the cabin on a certain route for the hottest day of the year and the coldest day of the year. Then correctly spec the battery to fulfill that requirement. Good example thank you.

[@ecospider5]

Amazon and Pepsi have found routes that work extremely well for electric trucks. They will buy every good truck the industry can produce. If your electric truck sucks hopefully no one will be dumb enough to buy it.

[@69429boss]

Cope harder dude... The writing is on the wall, end of EV is near. 5 years tops. Forget about all other complaints, nothing is killing the EV quicker than resale value.

[@kirkjohnson6638]

There are only two types of people in the world, those who know EVs suck and those who have yet to find out.

[@fr57ujf]

PepsiCo received over $20 million in state and local grants for 32 Tesla semis and federal grants of $40,000 per vehicle. That means PepsiCo got $665,000 in grants per truck. Who wouldn't love that deal?

[@BuilderofRat]

@@fr57ujf AND, who do you suppose coughed up all of that money???? YOU and I, that is who. Are you happy about that??? I am not!!!!

[@fr57ujf]

No, but I'm not totally outraged either. The government invests in civil projects all the time. Usually, they work out and society benefits. The government got involved in this situation because of legitimate concerns about climate change. When Tesla exploded on the scene, many people saw EVs as a solution to this problem. Initial enthusiasm has cooled, however, as early adopters have revealed the shortcomings of EVs. The government will not continue to pour cash down this drain. If the Tesla semi can't make it without subsidies - and it can't - then it will fail. I expect the EV mandates will disappear as state and federal governments realize they aren't realistic. Attention will shift to hybrids, but they aren't going to solve the problem of greenhouse gas emissions either.

[@ecospider5]

Regulations suck. If you can’t deal with the regulations then don’t update yet

[@No-one-7]

Yeah keep on using oil, just what will you use when in 20 to 30 years the oil runs out? Cut your floorboards out and use your legs?

[@TimDrake-vn3wo]

Oil reserves for more than 100 years and then if no new fields are found we can do coal gasification for 500 or 1000 years . Old technology from the coal gas streetlights 😊and coal oil kerosene plants .

[@gottaseeyuh]

We can use synthetic oils... Why can no one see how dangerous these electric vehicles are in terms of waste generated in making and then disposing of these batteries... What's the solution when these chemicals enter the ground water???

[@ecospider5]

Electric trucks designed for the route they will be used on are much less expensive than diesel trucks to run. If you can’t verify that an electric truck can do the work you need it to do maybe don’t buy it yet.

[@CrusaderSports250]

The big problem I believe is selling the vehicle on, in a vehicles lifespan it will do many jobs in very varied environments, an EV truck bought new may be fine on short distance deliveries but when you come to sell so as to buy its new replacement you have to find someone who also wants a short delivery route vehicle, a diesel truck on the other hand can do the short or long journey, making it more attractive to a wider range of buyers and thus worth more with less depreciation, I think it is the second hand market that may well kill the EV truck.

[@ecospider5]

@CrusaderSports250 That is an interesting point. When a large amount of EV trucks hit 10 years it will be interesting to see what happens. One possibility is they need so little maintenance they continue to use the truck. Most fleet vehicles are retired do to maintenance costs. Another possibility is after 10 years the battery packs have been way more abused than EV cars and will need replacing. If that happens it will all mater the cost of batteries in 2030. Right now it’s $100 a kWh so the 900kwh battery for a 500 mile range semi would be around $90,000. That’s pricy. If batteries continue on their current downward fall they will be $33 a kWh. So a new battery will be $30,000. We will probably be somewhere between those 2 numbers.

[@ecospider5]

Very few trucks are ever fully loaded

[@BuilderofRat]

Bulk carriers ARE in fact almost always fully loaded.

[@ecospider5]

They are loaded by size not just by weight. So my understanding is Pepsi don’t get to max weight because the snacks are so light. Not much to a chip bag.

[@ecospider5]

So someone purchased an electric truck that was not rated for his route. That is a business problem not a technology problem.

[@ecospider5]

The diesel savings pay for the truck upgrade in under 2 years

[@kirkjohnson6638]

When you factor in the value of the driver's time, the value of the time of their logistical/operations people in the home office, and value customers place on getting their goods ASAP, then Electric trucks are far more expensive than diesel ones.

[@BuilderofRat]

Do you actually believe that?????

[@ecospider5]

Currently Pepsi has the largest EV fleet. So I am just repeating what they have said. We will see what other companies think once they have more than 1.

[@ecospider5]

@kirkjohnson6638 Who have you talked to that said their test trucks showed those things to be more expensive? That is not the story we are getting from Pepsi.

[@kirkjohnson6638]

@@ecospider5 I was referring to EVs in general. But, with trucks, expense is only part of the picture because trucks need to generate revenue and they only do that when they are rolling with loads aboard. Any time spent charging when a driver is on the clock is lost revenue plus increased labor cost and lost distance because driver's time is limited. Add in a reduced load capacity and higher purchase price and EVs are going to be bad news.