Why Elon Musk Hates Hybrid Cars

[@The8BitGuy]

This video is objectively WRONG. Where to even begin? They may not be as good as EVs, but they are much better than a regular ICE car. Yes, Hybrids add more components, but also subtract quite a few over a regular gas car. An alternator and starter motor being good examples. When hybrids are done correctly, stopping and starting is not hard on the engines. You need to look no further than old Toyota Prius engines, they last forever. They don't even leak oil. Because they are Atkinson cycle, they don't get nearly as hot, so the seals last longer. Its weird to see the complaining about lithium batteries being cycled too much when most hybrids on the road are using NiMh. And how in the world is getting better fuel economy and making less pollution a bad thing? Not all hybrids are great. But when done correctly (Toyota and Ford, for example) hybrids are much better vehicles than a standard ICE.

[@myusrn]

As you stated no alternator, starter motor, hydraulic pump operated power steering and the biggest one I'd expect a small bore 4 cylinder engine vs a 6 or 8.

[@SvPVids]

I can fit a alternator and a starter motor in a small bag, how does removing those make a difference?

[@myusrn]

@@SvPVids not much, more likely the biggest weight savings is 4 cylinder vs big bore 6 or eight and hardware goes with extra cylinders. I'm told hybrid cars often use lighter materials in their construction, like aluminum and carbon fiber, to offset the weight of the electric motor and battery packs. These materials allow hybrids to maintain efficiency and improve fuel economy by reducing overall weight without sacrificing that essential balance between power sources. Even their tires can be designed for low rolling resistance to improve efficiency. And then there is regenerative braking, which charges the battery while slowing down the car, squeezing every ounce of efficiency out of the system.

[@Jayo-80]

Here's the thing. The battery is MUCH heavier than the parts removed from a normal engine. Also hybrid environmental impact is higher than and normal combustion engine. Plus hybrids are straight worthless unless you live in areas where you start and stop most of the time, like cities. Because that's how hybrids actually become efficient. If you're worried about impact on the planet. Buy a corolla.

[@steak5599]

@@Jayo-80 Did you even look up the Fuel Economy of the 2025 Prius and Toyota Camry both City and highway before u made that comment?

[@308rep]

Toyota says "Hi". Yesterday I was driving my 2008 Toyota Prius with 238K miles with just normal maintenance. I have averaged 45 miles per gallon over that period. I did have to replace the traction (hybrid) battery with a rebuilt unit for $1500 at 220K miles. I've done ALL my own oil changes every 5k miles with no impact on my warrantee. The new model Prius looks darn good and has a $35K price tag. I do not care what type of car you drive unless you try to force me into EV through government mandates.

[@cneubeatz3876]

I agree I loved my Prius it made it over 220,000 miles and save me a ton of money on gas compared to the vehicle I had before it.

[@connorbrown7455]

Same, mine is a 2015, we just hit 203k together. This video was very one-sided and didn't talk about the consumer price point at all. My monthly payment on my 2015 Prius is $237, then I'm saving like $140 in gas every month. So for a car that is comparable in price to an ICE, the consumer incentive is powerful. Not to mention that we take regular cross-country road trips and stopping to charge every 200 miles adds a ton of time to a 2400 mile trip.

[@hadisoewoyo8739]

Ev taxi in my country run for 500k km with original battery .

[@Mr_Joseph979]

I rented a 2023 Prius and absolutely loved it. I would love to get one!

[@SniperSnake50BMG]

​@@hadisoewoyo8739same here with byd taxis exceeding 1M kms

[@mr88cet]

I sorta agree, but mostly disagree, speaking as someone who has run the full course from pure gasoline (and diesel) cars, to hybrid, to plug-in hybrid, to our current Model Y pure EV. Let’s just look at the numbers for our 2017 Prius Prime, a 25-30-EV-mile plug-in hybrid: * It has averaged 4.6 miles/KWh in electric, * 55MPG on gas (combined, but more like about 50MPG at 75MPH flat out on the highway), and * It’s been doing that with Toyota-level quality; very few repairs needed. Our 2009 regular Prius died at just under 140Kmiles, and its NiMH battery is what gave out first; not the engine. (We could have found a re-conditioned battery for it, but a Model Y was much more enticing!) Not very many pure EVs get 4.6 miles/KWh! Our MYLR is getting about 3.9, but of course it’s a considerably peppier and roomier car. *_Also_* probably even more importantly, the Model Y’s 3.9 includes driving flat out on the highway, whereas the P.Prime’s 4.6 is in-town with much less wind resistance. Anyway, there’s not much fundamentally inaccurate in what you’re saying here, but the final result is largely the opposite of what you’re suggesting: A well-designed PHEV works very well. For example, yes, you stated correctly that, in EV mode, a plug-in hybrid has to drag around an ICE, but ours still gets 4.6 miles/KWh, and 50-55MPG on gas (again, depending upon type of driving).

[@PapaJohn1969]

My hybrid car gets double the mileage a EV does. 5-6 minutes to fill up. And it’s only $23,000.

[@AniMageNeBy]

I think that sums it up for most people.

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

I would agree with your argument, but non-plugin hybrids are extremely popular in the UK, especially with taxi drivers. I have spoken personally to many taxi drivers, and they tell me they get 60-80mpg for city driving. So something is working for them. I think its when the electric motor is used, which tends to be when taking off from standstill. The ICE kicks in at higher speed, and braking does its regenerative thing, charging the battery. I wouldn't buy one myself, because I feel that the complexity of two drive systems adds more failure modes to the whole package.

[@D.Eldon_]

I would like to own an EV. So I believe in the technology and think Tesla is doing an amazingly-good job. But I strongly disagree with several things in this video, which comes across as a propagandist hit piece on hybrids and contemporary car dealerships. Jabs at dealers for being dishonest and wanting the vehicles they sell to have problems so they can make more money servicing them is patently false and shame on _The Tesla Space_ for making such puerile comments. You should be sued for libel when you paint the entire dealership network with that garbage claim. There are real problems with manufacturers of ICE vehicles and their dealerships and this video manages to omit every one of them. Amazing! The most immediate one and the one that is putting some of them out of business quicker than any other reason is misunderstanding the economies of their market, thinking that their path to profitability is to make more expensive high-margin vehicles for the high end of the middle class and upper class, while cutting back on affordable vehicles for the mainstream middle class. But let's get back to EVs. The reason I do not own one _yet_ is because I live in the north where our winters have a significant negative impact on EV range. And in rural areas where I drive, ground clearance is important during the winter. The only vehicle Tesla makes with adequate ground clearance is the Cyber Truck (it has more than enough), but it is too expensive, too big, and it's range is too short during the coldest months. Because of these facts, I would be willing to buy a Jeep Wrangler 4xe, a PHEV hybrid, as a temporary solution until a comparable EV is available. And many folks probably don't realize that the Jeep Wrangler 4xe has been one of the top-selling U.S. hybrids for a couple of years. Unfortunately, its all-electric range (about 23 miles) is too short for my needs and it's price is still too high (prices start about US$40K but a nice one will cost over US$60K). My point is this: Until EVs are available with batteries that do not lose so much capacity at low temperatures, have adequate ground clearance for snowy unplowed roads, and have a more realistic price for mid to low middle class budgets, there will be a strong market in northern climates for a PHEV hybrid that fills the gap.

[@doyourownresearch7297]

you are seriously emotionally invested. In China we just all buy pure EVs now.

[@soundslight7754]

You don't understand hybrids cars enough. It all depends on the car's design philosophy. Some hybrids have a small engine to only charge the battery if stuck somewhere out of juice. This small engine will not drive the car anytime, is not running all the time and adds less than 100 pounds to gross weight. Another concept is having a small battery propulsion to cater mostly for busy traffic situations when you go for hours but move 2-3 miles only. Running on battery means lower emissions in citycentre rush hour traffic. Another use of hybrid can be to help with acceleration from standstill (race when traffic light goes green) so as to manage concentration of heavy momentary emissions, unburnt gas, excess soot in case of diesel engines. There is a valid economic usecase for hybrid cars but we're moving to end of that when the illusive sub $25000 EV becomes widely available.

[@Rodioser]

Quite a hot take. I like hybrids. The bigger problem with electric cars are in countries that don't have many charging stations. Which means that going to your grandma in some far away village is just not possible at all. The drive times even with good chargers is far far longer. In a gas or hybrid car I can go 1000km within 10hours, in tesla it typically took me 13.5h, to be noted that this tesla was from 2016. Again - the better, kinda usable ev are the newer ones, the one realistically no one can afford in Poland for my example. A good plug-in hybrid lets me drive to and from work in the city on the battery alone, and whenever I wish to go further, just switch to gas. In very many areas I prefer things that can be used in multiple ways, even if they are a bit worse in all of them.

[@stevechance150]

I'd rather have a root canal that go to a dealership to buy a car.

[@billweberx]

I'd rather have neither.

[@TheRealBurtL]

You don't have 90 Minutes? Hmm how long does it take you to buy an electric car?

[@blackturbine]

​@@TheRealBurtL i think it's more about dealerships aggressively trying to sell as expensive car as possible, with up charges on things like nitrogen filled tires. They have become so predatory if you are not a mechanic or knowledgeable you will get screwed.

[@xiangkunwan]

@@TheRealBurtL If you know how to navigate a website and did all the research on spec/model, ordering a Tesla online takes about 5-10 minutes, pick up also takes about 5-10 or quicker if you have everything done before via the Tesla app

[@nathanbanks2354]

Probably cheaper too.

[@DavidFMartin]

I have had a couple of hybrids and they don’t suck. What they do is offer you the option of using EV drive and no worries about range. I own a Toyota GR Yaris Sport hybrid. I drive it in sports mode and get over 300 miles on a tank. I can fill up at literally tens of thousands of filling stations. In 5 min. It’s a Toyota and they do 100,000 miles with ease, many are on 200,000 miles or more. It’s a Toyota. The lithium battery doesn’t discharge to 0 or charge to 100% Toyota know the best range is the same as any lithium battery (like ones in Tesla) is between 20-80% and the computer keeps the battery inside this range. Seriously, hybrids are excellent. Especially Toyota.

[@lengould9262]

@@DavidFMartin Sure, we all know they work fine, but WHY U BUYING HYBRIDS? They don't help the environment much IF at all, just drag around an expensive high-maintenance heavy electric drive train for very little reason. Just buy a gas burner and quit the posing.

[@DavidFMartin]

@ I’m be had ice cars, been driving since 1978 and I have to say the Hybrid is superior as a means of transportation over EV and ICE. In the city the hybrid runs in EV mode most of the time, on the motorway or open roads the ICE engine kicks in driving as normal and recharging the battery. I’ve seen 74 MPG average and over 300 miles on a tank of petrol in the uk cost £34 times here fuel is way more expensive than other nations. Seriously I’m well satisfied with my GR Yaris Sport, it’s a super mini with frugal fuel costs and low enough emissions to qualify as a zero taxed car if I go into emission zones cities. Other ICE cars have to pay from £12.50 up to £100 per day if they enter emission zones cities. The EV and many hybrids are emission zone friendly and get charged £0. So why the hell would I buy an ICE car now?

[@johanmetreus1268]

@@lengould9262 Because hybrids can run on bio-fuel to become independent of the power grid, while at the same time use the power grid to save the supply of combustibles for when they are actually needed. There will not be enough new electrical power to replace the fossil fuels entirely, especially not in the industry. Yet, we *need* to stop burning fossil fuels. So, ban those and use a combination of combustion and electric to fill the gap.

[@denesk2794]

Hybrids (PHEV) can go up to 65km (40mi) on battery power. This allows people to not use the gas engine while around town/cities, and use the gas engine for longer ranges. A lot of people commute less than that on a a daily basis, and a lot of places have no charging network that would allow longer trips on purely BEV. That said, I drive an EV that can go 420km on a charge. Hybrids at some places totally make sense. On pricing: compare apples to apples. A full trim PHEV costs more than the same trim BEV. Often times there is no minimal version of the BEV. One specific example I know of is the RAV4 hybrid 4wd compared to the BEV BZ4X. $55K vs $50K.

[@harlanchiu]

This is a Tesla channel saying the opposite what hybrids are best of both worlds. Do a real tco comparison for fuel, maintenance, repair and insurance cost for a rav4 hybrid to a tesla MY. No one talks about Tesla collision repair cost and downtime.

[@Mr_Joseph979]

That's the same thing I was thinking. Try replacing nearly any Tesla part after a collision you're going to be waiting a while not just for the part but also the service. It would be nice to have an ice vehicle just in case that happens.

[@joemaloney1019]

😅You sold me, hybrid it is!

[@kyttraus]

No, hybrids have their place. Less pollution in cities, independence from charging stations between cities. And if shit hits the fan, the power grid down would fuck up all the EVs whilst the hybrids can go with a jerrycan of gasoline

[@BnORailFan]

How does one refill that jerrycan of gasoline if there is no power? How far can the vehicle take you on a jerrycan of gasoline?

[@Cucumberflavoredmustard]

But...these are all situations in which an ICE vehicle would excel. As for the pollution: things like NOT having an SUV (if all you do is commute and get groceries), and combining trips cut lots of it out.

[@lengould9262]

Hello Exon! How's your future looking? 1) there are 2 very distinct types of hybrids. Plug-in or not plug-in. 2) Some plug-ins make sense, but most waste money. 3) Almost all plug-in hybrids are bought for fleets where the employee gets a free gas credit card, so never plug them in. 4) Even Tesla chargers go down? Last stat i heard was 99.5 ish % up. Not good enough? 😅😅

[@SniperSnake50BMG]

Man i love Tesla and i love EVs in general but YOU CAN'T DOWNPLAY hybrids specially PHEVs. Owner of a BYD Song plus PHEV I had achieved +1150kms in road trips and when commuting in City i haven't refueled in months. You're talking to much bullsh1t without personal experience

[@kennethknudsen215]

I think Denmark is a great example here. In Denmark hybrid cars were extremely popular from the late 2010’s to early 2020’s. In the early 20’s charging infrastructure had a massive expansion and now hybrids are completely dead in the new car market where ev’s are about 60% of all new car purchases.

[@kyttraus]

And the rest 40%?

[@Mr_Joseph979]

How small or large a country is Denmark compared to the United States? Just asking

[@garywozniak7742]

If my Google searches are correct and using U.S dollars, gasoline is currently about 7.72/gal in Denmark and electricity is $0.38/kWh. If you had a Prius that gets lets say 50 mpg, it would cost $7.72 to drive 50 miles. Lets say a Tesla Model 3 uses 0.24kWh/mile. At $0.38/kWh it would cost 50 mi × 0.24kWh/mi × $0.38/kWh = $4.56. In the US the national average for gasoline is currently $3.07/gal. The average public charging rate in the US is $0.46/kWh. The Tesla would cost 50 mi × 0.24kWh/mi × $0.46/kWh = $5.53 to charge for 50 miles vs the Prius's $3.07. Electricity would have to be $0.26/kWh to match the cost to fuel the Prius. The average residential rate in the U.S. is $0.1654/kWh. If you can charge at home in the US, the EV wins. If not, the hybrid wins. 50mpg for a Prius maybe low balling it. The 2025 Prius is rated at 57 mpg combined.

[@GarryCollins-ec8yo]

I drive a hybrid. I hear what you are saying and agree. But, like every other "expert" saying hybrids are terrible, drive an EV, you never acknowledge that not everyone has access to charging when needed. I looked into EVs. Given my work I often drive over 500 miles without being near a plug of any sort. So the next best option is an EV. I know it's the most complex option but I'm betting on the fuel savings paying for the possible increase in maintenance. In turn I do burn less fuel. When chargers are everywhere gas stations are then I'll switch. I suspect I'll retire before then.

[@billweberx]

You're a part of a minority for now. Most people drive around 20 miles a day. Over half of Americans live in a house with a garage. They can charge every night and never have go to a charging station accept on a long trip, that most people do only 2 or 3 times a year. On long trips, you drive on highways that all have charging stations along the way. Charging stations are growing rapidly so there will be fewer and fewer people in your situation in a few years.

[@Imraphael_]

Did you watch the whole thing? He addressed it

[@westcoast8562]

you have been duped, get over it

[@kevenfitzsimmons7191]

Thanks!

[@francisgricejr]

Loved the comparisons between conventional, Hybrid, and EV's! Great video!

[@brucecampbell6133]

Something not mentioned in your posting is that newer Plug-in hybrids (rated at around 40 to 50 miles/charge) can be used in the EV mode most of the time for people who do most of their driving for shorter distances, close to home. Inadequate and/or clunky charging infrastructure is a significant factor in many parts of North America, but not if you recharge using your own home PV system and your driving patterns work with a particular PHEV. We have a 1400 s.f. (moderately-well-insulated and air-sealed) home, 6kW of PV and a small (10 to 20 kWh) home battery. We heat and cool our home with an efficient heat pump, run other daily loads, charge a small PHEV battery and have enough storage capacity to operate at net-zero, averaged over the year. We are able to do this because we purchased our PV and Battery under Net Energy Metering (NEM-2). On the other hand, we have the range with the IC engine side of the PHEV to drive on longer trips (in conventional HEV mode). We're retired and have flexibility to optimize our driving/charging and operation time of our larger load appliances (which we do). The choice to buy a used PHEV fit(s) into our budget and carefully conceived home energy and transportation plan and probably will for some time to come.

[@bhabbott]

You might have overlooked the fact that PHEVs are not very popular, with much lower sales than BEVs. Why is that? Because they suck.

[@Stranger_1]

I hate when people try to downplay range anxiety. I have an ev that gets "300" mile range, except I'm suppose to keep it between 20-80% so on paper that's more like 180 miles, except all my commuting is on the freeway, so that drastically reduces it to even half that. I now have to charge every other day for my 40 mile roundtrip commute and as a construction worker that is an abnormally very close commute. I would not have made the switch had I known just how bad and not any cheaper my range would become, and even though I'll still be interested in seeing how Scout's gas generator supported EV works out, I can see how hybrids would be the better option for a lot of people.

[@SniperSnake50BMG]

How many times you go to the charging station in a day?

[@martinwragg8246]

Hybrid is fine if most of your journeys are less than the battery range. Also good if you can recharge on solar or cheap rate electricity, costing a couple of pence per mile. But you still have the option of the occasional longer journey on petrol.

[@DraftedByTheMan]

True. I had a Mercedes GLK 250 for 4 years. Charged at home. Most of my trips are under 30 km as I work from home. I tow a trailer occasionally (hauling a side by side) up the Coquahalla highway which would kill the range of my Tesla. I have a Cybertruck on order but unless the range can be improved while hauling, it won’t be practical.

[@tyesandoval4391]

In this video you say that you get the worst of both worlds, but I would argue that you get the best especially if the ICE is only connected to a generator and it is a plug in hybrid. For the majority of commutes you can travel in full electric mode, you have a smaller battery which means less mining, the ICE can run at peak efficiency, and if the ICE breaks down you can still drive your car over a short range.

[@tireddad6541]

I agree. They know this but are ignoring it

[@shanebirt1]

Exactly. This is the way I believe the chevy volt works and is how the new ram ramcharger will work. You have a large enough battery for the average family to drive day to day while charging every night and if you need more then the engine will turn on and run at the best efficiency to power the generator that then charges then battery so you don't have to stop to charge except at home.

[@ParvTubeHD]

Generators still have a worse efficiency then just taking that gas and giving it to a power plant to turn it into electricity, power plants do a better job and they are able to since they are stationary, the generator route is still just more weight that the motors have to carry, also there are no PHEV that's as efficient as an EV other then the Prius prime but that's only FWD

[@manuelight]

Wrong because you have two systems that can fail, meaning twice the maintenance. You get all the downside of both and the only upside is that you don’t have to charge on a very long drive

[@DavidBonelo]

hardly agree

[@andreweppink4498]

(5:54) Planes safest transport mode. Entirely untrue. When figured on an exposure time time mode (as opposed to distance traveIled) planes are about the same as railroad travel. Buses are safest. The exposure time mode is the mode used by the FAA, the lns Co's etc. The distance travelled mode is pushed by airline Co's for obvious reasons. Planes are so fast. The safety illusion is thus propagated.

[@rogergeyer9851]

Facts matter. If you spew on he internet and show NO backup material, much less CREDIBLE backup material for random claims -- you might as well be claiming the earth is flat.

[@ALPHA1XLR]

My total reason for NOT considering an EV...., "distance". I drive cross country (US) several times a year and the EV just can't go the miles (NON-STOP). I'll drive up to 17 hours (that includes stopping for gas and an occasional restroom break , but if I have to stop to charge, that adds far more hours of travel time that might force me to stop at a hotel. To make matters even worse, the infrastructure (charging stations) are still not established in many rural areas. A friend did do the same journey in his Tesla and stated it took 22 hours for the same trip that takes me 17 (he didn't include the hotel time to rest) and almost didn't make it to one the charging stations as the one he wanted go to the power was out, forcing him drive further on low power. He was so afraid that he was going run out of energy just miles short that he elected to have the car transported back to his home. That kind of fear (when referring to it) is anxiety I don't need especially having to deal with bad drivers or sudden weather, and if a charging station is down. I do look forward to the day when the range is extended and "driving" will be a thing of the past (driverless cars), but until that time Hybrids will have to be the only option for major road trips. Perhaps a solar car option needs considering.

[@nathanbanks2354]

Solar won't help for road trips because you only gain a couple dozen miles per day of sun. On the other hand, an Aptera with or without solar would help because it has a crazy high range using a smaller battery because it's so efficient. That would mean more range from shorter charging times.

[@LifeMyWay007]

Percentage increase in dis-similar markets is an IRRELEVENT Metric. Example: I sold 1 car in 2023 and 2 cars in 2024. The Automotive Industry is in TROUBLE - I had 100% growth!!!! (and they sold 20,000,000 more cars than me)

[@chrisfrancis8446]

Hybrids make more sense for most people to own. Yes, you aren't going to set any speed records or win any races but you are going to get the benefit of both tech. The biggest problem with hybrids is the fact there isn't much new R&D so most of the tech is just getting squeezed for just small amount of improvement. The Chevy Volt technically not a hybrid, but the idea is better than EVs. I have a 2011 Honda Insight with 215K miles and the only thing I had to replace is a AC compressor and in the next 15k miles it would be good to replace some suspension components, but the engine, motor, CVT are all good and battery still has some life in it.

[@captjack2112]

You need to think about long term cost not the glory sections. I can go right now and buy a used or rebuilt gas engine for $500-1,000 and keep my car running for another 5-10 years. How much is a new EV battery at 75-100,000 miles going to be? Estimates are $10-20,000 plus where does the dead battery pack go?Landfill since 95% wont be able to be recycled AKA Pollution. So my car I'm into for saypurchsse price of $35,000 plus an engine etc… down the road so maybe $40,000 over 20-25 years. How does this pan out for an EV? Purchase say even a cheap model $35k but now it needs a new battery pack at 100,000 miles at an estimated $10-20,000 and god forbid that company even makes something since changes happen so easily in the new market including out-of-business scenarios. But say they have one, now you take the old battery and toss it and all its toxic chemicals into and landfill and bury it, ground pollution 101 and as of right now almost 99% cannot be recycled at all. So now we have a EV 20-25 years old and into it for $45-55,000 dollars. So now that is a fair comparison and likely what will happen is that EVs will become yet another “disposable” new generation item like almost everything these days and just end up scrapped or parted out or more typical waste.

[@Perkins456]

Usually love the insight on your channel, but have to say, you're really missing the point of Hybrids completely, it's not just the cost comparison, it's the utter and complete lack of range on just about every EV, and yes, that goes for Tesla as well. You've got to get over the 400mile (and I mean actual 400 mi range, not some fictional number meant to sell the EV) speed bump that keeps you say from visiting a National Park, or road tripping on anything that isn't an Interstate.

[@Perkins456]

Don't get me wrong, I own a Model Y and love it, but it is more expensive, the range is probably half of what you'd get with a Hybrid, and you're whole premise comes off sounding completely biased and frankly ridiculous.

[@cneubeatz3876]

I tend to disagree with this, I loved my prius. It ran up to 200 and something thousand miles. Average around 42 mi a gallon, saved me a ton on gas in the time I had it. And it was relatively cheap.

[@FreedomIsNotFree2023]

I own a Model Y and absolutely love it, I also used to own a Prius. I completely disagree with the premise that hybrids need a lot of maintenance. I used my 2016 Prius in a cab business. The driver I had drove 400,000 mi, before the vehicle was totaled. The only thing I ever changed on that Prius was oil. I had absolutely no problems with that vehicle whatsoever.

[@matthewtukwilaparks6197]

I sincerely hope you purchased more than that, I just purchased my second prius and love them, agree on low maintenance costs but you still have other costs such as tires, brakes, etc. My last prius got an unreal 150k miles before I had to do my first brake job. Just stepped up to a plug in, went from filling up once a week to once a month, un real.

[@FreedomIsNotFree2023]

@matthewtukwilaparks6197 Yes you are correct, I believe I changed the brakes twice. Of course tires are the obvious one for any vehicle.

[@RobertKeenanComp-U-Right]

Fantastic Presentation ..right to the point..point and counter point. Now lets bring on the lower price EV's with 0 Tax Incentives And let American's Decide.

[@Brainbuster]

*I'd rather give birth on a pogo stick than go to a dealership to buy a car.*

[@FractalPrism.]

i have a 2007 prius, 130k miles, barely spent anything on maint, gets approx 50mpg the only true thing you said in this vid abt hybrids is the lack of power the charging infrastructure in the usa is great in large cities, but not in small towns. you're really pushing a conclusion and falsely reporting fake facts "even tesla chargers go down, he laid off staff" false and unrelated, telsa chargers have 99% uptime

[@ben_ands]

Great video I love your work❤. Though can I ask How come you never mentioned how hybrid can get double the gas mileage than normal combustion cars cause I feel like that’s the big driver. My father owns a hybrid because of the efficiency on gas.

[@petersmith8765]

Excellent comments...you are spot on with the facts and reality

[@LegendaryInfortainment]

Finding a Futon in Japan back in the later '70s was a snap. Finding anything else was as rewarding as seeking teeth in a chicken's beak. Visiting friends can be so uncomfortable.

[@Warchin007]

I have a cousin who owns a hybrid and he says he gets over 50 miles a gal. I also watched a video on a guy who said he got close to 800 miles on a tank of gas with his hybrid. I think you over looked miles a gal savings. I think this is really at the center of it.

[@Warchin007]

@@RebeccaLarson-v7n Fair enough.Tesla makes quality products. I was just pointing out areason why peps are buying hybrids, thks for reply. 🙂

[@willyag2529]

I gave my 52mpg Prius to my Daughter and bought a model Y. Now we both have great cars!

[@SolarScootersuk]

Great video as always! ⚡️

[@martinsuarez1834]

I’ve been waiting a while for this video. Thank you !

[@cutecakes64]

I think people get hybrids because of range anxiety.

[@andrewc8566]

The “AUTO STOP” button was a federal requirement for automakers to save pollution in inner cities. Auto companies hate them as well as dealers hate them even more. Mostly, the consumer hates them because even more. The ULTIMATE Hybrid is a Honda Clarity. 50 miles on EV and 350 in Hybrid mode. I drove it 86,000 miles in 3.5 years. 15,000 of that was using hybrid mode, the rest was all electric. BUT I now drive a Tesla. I sell automobiles, we are professional and we care about our customers.

[@LionheartLivin]

Let the hybrid peoplesbe let them eat their cake. Let them say it’s the best of both worlds. It is almost impossible for the technology that’s actually the most efficient,full BEV, to not win so just let the hybrid people be.❤

[@tomtools5318]

Coked up slick harry 😂😂😂

[@Cucumberflavoredmustard]

You nailed it. Hybrids have the disadvantages of both. Heavy, complex, expensive. 4 to 5 mpg over an ICE counterpart is not enough to offset these.

[@fleonard4]

Electrics do suck when you look at long distance traveling, off road, and many other places you can't charge. The hybrids may be better for things like Jeeps. You can carry gallons of fuel with you, but you can't carry extra batteries. The only thing you could maybe do is pull an off-road trailer with gas and a generator, but that's an insane work-around. Electrics may be fine for people in San Francisco commuting to work every day, but they will never be good for other applications. The thing is to not hate on either, and use the best tool for the job. The hating, and wanting to phase out gas is stupid. Electric 18 wheelers is another stupid idea. We need multiple tools for multiple jobs. Also keep in mind, electric cars run off of coal, and cost more to make, and per mile. There is also a big power loss any time you convert energy.

[@philzail2532]

I'm guessing you're the kind of person that rarely travels more than 5 miles from home.

[@DreamingTurtle]

It’s almost like you purposefully avoid facts. 😢 bias video

[@DavidBonelo]

what about the cars that use a simple combustion engine to charge generate the electricity to the electric engine?

[@ChristianGuy7000]

Hybrid never catch fire , but full EV always catch fire. Hybrid Win! Hybrid system is the best.

[@alanmcinnes1111]

Thanks for producing such excellent content. Hybrids are such a scam and those that buy them will end up regretting their decision. I’m surprised that you didn’t mention the uptime of the Tesla charging network compared to all the other options, and in particular, Electrify America, which has an abysmal uptime rating. The Tesla charging network, and its reliability, is one of the major reasons to buy a Tesla. Thanks for continuing to provide great information about electric cars and the march to a sustainable energy future.

[@LifewithLewy]

Come on bro.. you are way too intelligent to call spiders and snakes poisonous 🤣😂

[@ReneArtoisMr]

The *real* reason is that integrating combustion engines into cars would mean extra development en production cost and especially in Europe it would cause difficulties in CO2 emissions law. Manufacturers over here in Europe have to pay very high fines because there yearly emission levels are to high. Tesla and Chinese brands don’t have this problem. A thing against EV’s is the large depreciation compared to ICE. Especially consumers are worried about this.

[@davidgutting4317]

How many points of failure? How many points of service? How many supply chain sources? How many points of diagnosis? Assembly line labor and delay items? Hybrids are the culmination of “Work Harder,Not Smarter”

[@melindagreen3023]

EV’s are Junk in the Winter time. The battery’s range in cold weather is Only 50% at best. Plus the batteries Fast Chargers do not like Cold weather either. They Malfunction and do not charge at all in cold weather. EV’s Spontaneously Start in Fire 🔥 🔥 And will Burn your garage and/or house down. EV’s get into an Accident and the Electronic doors won’t open, the EV catches fire and your Cremated alive in your car ! Salt water seeps into the battery pack & 💥 the car starts on fire 🔥 EV’s wear tires out 2x faster because the car is much heavier because of the massive Lithium battery pack bomb. EV’s are Death Traps ! Lithium battery fires 🔥 cannot be put out by water.

[@wayned3375]

The only use I can see for hybrid cars is when electric vehicles become 60% efficient the battery can either be used for storage for power walls or reduce the weight of a suitable vehicle ie by taking out a non structural piece of metal from a vehicle example would be the boot floor often removed from cars for other technologies weight savings can be made in seats also the framework is often heavy and recycled materials could make frames for seats then allowing one battery pack to be installed to make old cars that will be on the road anyway more efficient. Kind of like a person who knows there will only ever be 2 people in their vehicle could remove there back seat entirely improving boot space

[@PocoToro]

My rebuttal comes down to one word, Koenigsegg. 😂😅😊

[@otterpossum9128]

Weak title, Tesla never considered hybrids. Watching but wondering when I will find it too ignorant. Tesla isn't desperate for revenue and the logistics alone defeat the purpose of the business model. Respect lost for this channel. You don't need to make a video if there is no news guys

[@lonecody]

Futons and hybrid cars are too totally different things you cannot compare the two. What an absurd comparison. Our Honda hybrid is a great car it gets great mileage it has great torque and it is a very comfortable vehicle. Elon Musk does not like hybrids because they compete with his cars that's it. He gives no great reason why hybrids are horrible and why you shouldn't buy one. Your video is pure crap

[@natwynn5593]

It is not an ICM (motor) it is an ICE (engine)!

[@JTC25]

Love the video and the explanation.

[@MyCoolStrawSir]

But that's just a theory... a Hybrid Theory!

[@KTMcaptain]

So many errors. Hybrid has smaller components in general. So you aren’t carrying around a massive battery and motor likewise a small engine and transmission. So the electric propulsion has an easier time than a full BEV and the gas has a slightly more difficult weight to move than a normal gas vehicle. Issue is weight doesn’t play that large of a factor as you might think which is why the Prius gets such good efficiency. Aerodynamics, rolling resistance, and thermal efficiency are far more important. Small engine with easy to run transmission gives great efficiency and allows for aerodynamic decisions. The electric motor actually supports this lower power output beautifully. The true range is also much lower than advertised for a BEV. Cycling the engine on and off is not damaging, stop making up clear lies. All engine parts retain lubrication, not being thermally cycled, and extra wear is on the starter not a big deal at all. Lastly, a plug in hybrid uses far less material from mining so those with light commutes can nearly eliminate fossil fuels and not have such a negative impact on the environment like a full BEV while also maintaining high range whenever needed.

[@BigGuy8059]

My hybrid Prius gets over 45 MPG, has had zero maintenance other than fluid changes for years, and accelerates as well or better than most ICE vehicles from a stop. Most of the time it's running on the very small gas engine and recharges the small battery when I stop at a stop sign or traffic light. Then it uses both engine and electric motor for a quick start when I go again. This is how hybrids shine: They don't need large gas engines because the electric motor kicks in when power is needed. So it effectively has the benefits of two different size drive systems. My Prius doesn't waste efficiency on being able to go 120 MPH or tear out and burn rubber. It gets on freeways just fine, and it runs at all legal speeds in my state. So many things in this video are just plain wrong. For example, it uses a NiMH battery, not lithium.

[@allancorbin5608]

BYD second generation plug in hybrid technology can travel over 2,000km or approximately 1,200 miles on a full charge and tank of fuel.

[@jaaklucas1329]

Hybrid is a good compromise for the average folks. I believe in total BEV but Prius and type vehicles are tried and tested tech. Of course, the beauty of full electric is simplicity. Hybrid makes a very complicated ICE machine even more complicated..

[@brantbarthle6397]

6:53 The 136 cars per charging station in the US seems fairly pointless to compare to China’s 28 cars per charger given the US is a very suburban country with lots of driveways and garages that would take the place of a charging station.

[@craigclay7477]

What a stupid analogy - comparing a hybrid to a futon. As a driver that likes both hybrids and Teslas, your lack of objectivity is both apparent and startling.

[@rmerrida]

Yeah, once he went there with that futon analogy he lost me.

[@parasharkchari]

8:05 -- I feel like you grossly understate the significance of this one fact. That difference alone is the beginning and end of the discussion for nearly 100% of all people who buy hybrids in this day and age. A cheap EV costs as much as a slightly-above-entry-level luxury car. And guess what, all luxury cars will offer you better comfort and features than all comparably priced EVs. Sure, you can say that the cost of ownership will be less, and that's true. But that does not get you approved for a larger loan. Also, things like charging infrastructure matter a lot when you are talking about the US, where 60% of the population lives paycheck-to-paycheck... has to work multiple jobs and does not have the ability to charge at home because they don't have a home at which to charge. Also, bearing in mind that the US having 110/120V infrastructure means that home charging is at least 4x slower than in countries like Norway which lead the way on EV adoption. It helps that EU countries have considerably less severe income inequality and loads of tax benefits around EVs. The US has pretty stark income inequality and make no mistake -- ALL billionaires and especially Elon Musk are firmly dedicated with every fiber of their being to making that worse. That alone means that EV adoption is predestined to be poor in North America no matter what. Treating that as a trifling matter as you did in the ending is as blind to reality as it is possible ever to be. Things like the smug satisfaction aspect you mention is an outdated factor that really only applied when hybrids were the only game in town. Also, you claimed that only the "really good" hybrids allow the electric motor and the gas motor to combine their output, which is deceptive language at best and lying at worst. Nearly ALL hybrids sold do this. The ones that don't (e.g. so-called "mild hybrids" and range-extender hybrids) are the exception rather than the rule. 😢

[@egn83b]

I have a tesla and a plugin hybrid. I like the hybrid for exteremely long trips and its cheaper to operate then my tesla. I use my tesla for short trips and weekends runs. Toyota did a great job on a horrible product. 😂

[@gtpete6363]

Hybrids will become obsolete within the next 3 - 5 years. Elon doesn't waste his time on old technology

[@rogergeyer9851]

Get back to us when that actually happens in the REAL world. Also when Musk actually saves $500 billion annually in the federal budget, much less the nonsensical $2 trillion claim. The public and those who they vote for are NOT going to put up with basically eliminating the discretionary federal government. I advocate bringing back Gramm-Rudman and actually paying our way, BTW. But I'm a tiny minority as people want something for nothing and try to vote for that.

[@perthmadbloke]

Hybrid vehicles are just stupid. More complexity. More to go wrong.

[@tomwinston6758]

Great video, thanks. Totally agree.

[@billraty14]

I really thought you were more of an objective channel and not just a shill for Elon. And the opening tirade on the "ills of hybrids", was an exercise in hyperbole. I've owned 3 hybrid vehicles and they've been the best experience I've ever had with automobiles. 47mpg practically everywhere doesn't get old, and it is objectively better for the environment. Using regenerative braking means I've never had to change brake pads in over 180K miles of service. Battery packs have remained in good shape. The big upsides of a Hybrid: no range anxiety, longer life on nearly every mechanical consumable (brake pads, engine oil, spark plugs, air filters). The only downside was that tires only had 95 percent of their rated life. Pure electric vehicles are great concepts but have big downsides in long charge times for a full recharge (hours long pit stops while on a road trip), limited range, if you do run out of charge you can't just hike back to a filling station and bring back a jerry can. You're a good influencer and can do better. Please do so in the future.

[@jsegor]

I have a 2007 Toyota hybrid. 230,000+ miles on it, still going strong. Life of the larger battery was much longer than average. What happens if I am caught in a Florida hurricane and need to get out of town quick, and the grid goes down? Such a situation is becoming more common. Can't afford a Tesla. Need work on the EV infrastructure and costs.

[@trungson6604]

A company that is responsible to its investors would put ideology aside to meet the diverse needs of the market and its customers, like BYD, who was formerly just a battery company, then it started to make cars with engines, then full BEVs, and now is making 2/3 of its sales with plug-in hybrids. No wonder BYD is now the world's biggest EV company who grew way past Tesla a long time ago.

[@bhabbott]

Tesla has been better for their investors than BYD, with 3 times higher stock market gain since 2019. BYD's current enterprise value is 726 billion. Tesla is 1.1 trillion. BYD's revenue for the 3rd quarter this year was a bit higher than Tesla's, but their net profit margin is far lower. When the hybrid market collapses BYD could be in trouble. Musk's aversion to hybrids isn't ideological, it's because they are technically inferior. When batteries get better (which they will) BEVs will overtake Hybrids in every metric. Personally I will never ever have another car with a gas engine - so glad to be rid of them and wish I had done it earlier!

[@conkrs]

Wrong Wrong Wrong !!! I have a driving job and get about 50k per year for 11 years. Best car i ever owned. 2020 Toyota Corolla never changed the brakes, with 140k miles. 53 miles per gallon never did any repairs except the battery that starts the engine and the tires. Rides nice, easy to maintain. I change oil about every 10k to 15k miles lol ! Full synthetic. All the car "devices" work without the engine running ! warranty on the battery ends at 150k miles. value is $11,000 and i owe $2,500 on it.

[@rogergeyer9851]

In the real world, Toyota hybrids have proven to be SUPER reliable -- even for Toyota standards. In the real world, BEV sales have grown MUCH MUCH more than 5 percent a year unless you're doing HUGE cherry picking (and making you completely noncredible) not documenting your claim re credible sources AT ALL. Hybrids are a compromise. HEV's are AWESOME re mileage and reliability and not much more cost. PHEV's less so, but for people like me that do 99% of mileage in the city at low-mileage amounts, a PHEV is just fine AND eliminates any range / charging issues in a pinch. Why not do something honest/credible/useful with your life instead of putting out nonsense like this?

[@airgunningyup]

i have a tesla , nearest charger over 18 miles away,, texas is terrible for ev drivers

[@bhabbott]

Must suck to live in a place with no electricity supply. How do you cope? I used to live in a place that was 27 miles away from the nearest gas station. We had electricity, but sadly there were no EVs back then...

[@airgunningyup]

@@bhabbott i charge at home only

[@markjenkins6588]

I think for most western countries your arguments might hold up, but in Australia with our vast distances which half the country drive, EV's do not stack up at all. My Kia Sorento does just under 1000Km's. Its a 'turbo charged 2.5 Liter Diesel engine. If i were to buy an EV type car, it definitely be an Hybrid SUV

[@binjou2061]

When a Tesla vehicle can get fully charged in a 20A/110V outlet in 30 minutes, and the price is same as hybrid, then you don't need to keep talking about how good Tesla is.

[@DMahalko]

The only hassle free way to use a pure EV is to be able to level 2 charge when you are at home and it can charge overnight for 10-12 hours per day. For millions of people living in apartments, this is impossible without significant investment from landlords or cities. It's going to take decades for this to happen, and until then hybrids are the way to go.

[@tiemenvanderbijl785]

European charging stations aren't made by the same company as the McDonalds Icecream machines like in the USA

[@jimmccall8030]

Hybrids are going to have a $7500 price increase early next year

[@Cyber_Rigger]

MICROTURBINES BABY --- will run on any fuel ---- external combustion burns very clean --- very lightweight

[@chrisschoenfeld4414]

You are looking it from an engineering ideal perspective, not consumers. A hybrid RAV4 is the 11th cheapest cost of ownership vehicle in the US. Toyota has been making Hybrids for 27 years and their reliability is legendary, as is their resale value. This is what’s selling right now. Meanwhile, the Tesla Model X is the second fastest depreciating vehicle in the US, and every Tesla costs over $10,000 or more over the RAV4. The tax incentive needs to be planned for in advance to be realized if you don’t normally owe money at filing time, Hybrids have no charging nonsense. You just drive them. EV heads under estimate the value of that feature for everyday drivers. Charging is simply inconvenient, and you work too hard trying to convince people it’s not.

[@pajamaspoker4490]

Can anyone tell me if I should go with an electrician for my Tesla wall charging mount ? That has done them before and knows all the law/code necessary ? Or just any electrician can do it?

[@daveyshmavey]

I have a 2023 RAV4 Prime. You are are quite mistaken. I’m not tricked, and hybrids don’t suck. The Electric infrastructure isn’t established enough in rural America. I’ve gotten over 2000 miles on a 12 gallon tank. Our daily stuff is electric, but going farther than 35-40 miles it’s hybrid. Stealerships are a joke. No, you don’t void the warranty by changing your own oil. When there is enough infrastructure I’ll get an electric but that won’t happen any time soon. It will happen when I want it too. This is America and you piss us off when you remove choice. I don’t have anything against Tesla.

[@edwardtsang3243]

Hybrids take petrol burn way less performs better than a pure petrol and still affordable so ticks most boxes well. Owned two lexus hybrids work perfect

[@bc-guy852]

There is at least one species of venomous spiders in Canada - there are lots of Black Widow's in BC! Now you've got me wondering - what else did you get incorrect? EDIT: after scanning some of the comments - I'm going to keep my current opinion and not watch the rest of this.

[@rwbyrose7269]

My wife’s Volvo hybrid is awesome, too much power, she absolutely loves it

[@westcoast8562]

terrible choice

[@craigrosier523]

What world are you living in? BEV sales world wide (not America wide) have grown 30%% year on year.

[@ssmit262]

Love the futon comment / great video

[@gmeister03]

Tesla has a great Charging network

[@RNA0ROGER]

To be honest hybrids are not perfect, but they are better than gasoline cars and better than cheap ev's with small batteries. Something like the Toyota Camry Hybrid is the same old Camry it just chews a lot less fuel and its really nicely integrated, they also rarely have major problems. It's not as good as a EV but its a considerable step forward.

[@rixtex]

I live in rural Texas. I bought my hybrid when I had to drive 80 miles one way to work. There is not a charger within 30 miles of my house. My hybrid gets 36 MPG. I love it. I don't think that fossil fuels are bad. It has been the source of human flourishing. I like Elon, but he just want's to sell expensive cars.

[@KrisKomar]

I have a Camry hybrid and it’s badass. Great MPG and it’s a Toyota so it just works.

[@nickgonchar7272]

Your reasoning about why hybrids are "the worst of both worlds" are technically valid. However there is a thing called reality. With the current state of affairs pure BEVs make any sense only - for those who can charge at home - and only as a second/third car in the household for in-city driving. Besides, at the current prices, BEVs make little to no economical sense. Simple comparison of initial prices and cost of ownership (incl. cost of gas), say, Model 3 vs Camry or Model Y vs hybrid RAV4 shows that the extra initial cost of the EV can be recouped at best after 100K miles of CITY driving. Long-distance highway driving does not count because, besides being impractical ("two hours drive -- one hour charge" cycle), due to the cost of electricity at the commercial fast chargers, it saves no money, comparing to the gas. EVs could potentially be reasonable for very specific uses such as taxis. Yet in my city most of the taxis are old Elantras and Fortes. I haven't seen even a single EV taxi. Perhaps, taxi drivers now better. Other than that, EVs remain just expensive toys. What could partially change the situation is an inexpensive EV city runabout, comparable in price, features and range to a Civic. Yet, Mr. Musk is not in a hurry to offer such car and foreign potential offers are firmly blocked with the insurmountable tariffs. And even that will work only for those who can charge at home and do little long-distance driving. Sure, EVs are our bright future. The path to that future is what Toyota does with their "obsolete" yet affordable and economical HEVs and PHEVs.

[@favorita9184]

Thank you for sharing this video