Why every Pro's controller has extra buttons

[@Brian_F]

To clarify on the buttons: I was given Punk Workshop mouse switch buttons (most typical buttons are keyboard switch or Sanwa). They are much faster theoretically to activate, but require much more force. It's one of the newer offerings for button types for Punk Workshop controllers, but not the default! The keyboard switch buttons are much closer to a Kitsune style/more traditional leverless/arcade stick button. I will be swapping my mouse buttons out for the regular keyboard switch buttons, the mouse buttons are not for me, but others might like them. Punk Workshop has multiple options so pick what you like. We were mistaken with the removal of an "O" ring to change the action of these buttons. The mouse buttons only have one configuration.

[@roastytoasty8559]

is that controller with the extra buttons tournament legal? if not not sure how every pros controller have extra buttons.

[@Brian_F]

@@roastytoasty8559 You are allowed one physical button per digital action that you can map in the controller menu. When I assign an action to an extra button, you remove the action from another button. You still have the same amount of total actions available with your controller, you essentially just moved the button. tl;dr yes it's all legal. I don't use non-CPT legal configurations.

[@richr161]

@@Brian_F Interesting design choice using what looks like mouse button switches. I use Khalil low profile chock purples. Small travel distance and about as light as i can tolerate without accidental presses. I started with much harder clicky switches and when i switched over my 2P side got so much more consistent. The clicky switches were like resistance training for the left side of my hand.

[@roastytoasty8559]

@@Brian_F that seem kind of fair but i still don't like it hahahah

[@chintahimura]

I got those mice switches buttons recently and man I regret spend money on them. Not only it requires more force, but if you don't hit it dead center, it feels weird and require more force to actuate. It just doesn't feel right at times and inconsistent.

[@tbeezey2255]

"Am I dumb for not using pinky for parry"? Can you imagine a non-gamer trying to figure out that phrase? LOL 🤣🤣

[@ronaldnguyen9012]

the sync at 9:04 was appreciated

[@tbeezey2255]

Editor literally paused the track just long enough to get the 3 hit sync. 😄

[@tzfsr]

Thank you for pointing that out

[@truckford2416]

Finding out that Brine doesnt use the macros is terrifying. Like finding out your Dad is a stand wiper.

[@firpishable]

Those unused hanger hooks on your wall had me trying to wipe off my screen for like fifteen seconds before realizing it wasn’t dust on my phone screen.

[@jaredho7676]

The extra buttons are so nice. I'm personally use an extra left pinky button for parry and thumb button for DI. The nice part is that you can set the traditional right hand pinky buttons to 2x kicks for Ken and Ed for their respective run commands.

[@MrMegaman1417]

I tried it but di on my thumb kept breaking my brain. I think imma try to grind it again. The ken run macro was nice tho

[@Dude902]

Hey Brine, when you were on stream I looked up the switches on the new punk workshop, the kitsune, and the old Qanba Obsidian. Several people posted them in chat but I wanted to post some in one place. Punk Workshop Blaze buttons: Omron D2FC-F-K 60MN. - 0.3mm actuation distance - 60g actuation force Razer Kitsune buttons: Razer Low-Profile Linear Optical Switches - 1.2mm actuation distance - 45g actuation force Qanba Obsidian OBSF buttons: Sanwa SW-68. - 0.85mm actuation distance, 2.53mm total bottom out distance, 55g actuation force, Just wanted to say that even if you're not a hardware techie, it is worth tailoring the microswitches to your liking and comfort. Mechanical keyboard enthusiasts have made it easier to understand what type of switch is comfortable for different users. If you're getting keyboard switches you have infinity options so please don't restrict yourself to these numbers. If you like how regular sanwa buttons depress, you have smooth linear switch options with more pre-travel and light actuation force. Obviously you can get someone to swap it at any arcade hardware booth at the next major you attend. If you really want someone else to do the swap, it will be trivial for them. Picking a switch you will actually like is very practical and worth getting a bit invested in.

[@OgichiGame]

I use thumb for parry, but I also use middle finger for jump instead of thumb

[@Shaymaru]

I can't believe I randomly found this video got uploaded 0 seconds ago. I love controller videos in general, so this was an immediate click. ♥

[@14zrobot]

I recently got a split layout where direction buttons are further apart. It is even cooler. I got DI for SF and dash for most other games, maped for second thumb. Super cozy

[@Tassadar4Ever]

Their blaze buttons are awesome. I love them. I'm pretty sure the controllers come with those, now. So yours should also be those buttons. They sell seperately too.

[@AMDGBananaBen]

Extra buttons also means more options to empty mash to bait your opponent =D I get hit with that sometimes at locals, it's a pretty big brain tech.

[@soysaucehairdye7869]

I love using my pinky fingers, but that's after learning how to play the Revolutionary Etude on the piano.

[@VegaVibing]

That combo where he does the OD crackshoot on cammy around 18:25, how tight is that timing? I know power dunk works on frame 4 and cr.mp works on frame 5 of the power charge cancel window. Does the followup in the video have a specific frame or does it have a generous window? I'll hit the lab tomorrow but if someone sees this before then feel free to let me know. Or call me dumb I know its a goofy thing to ask in the comments.

[@nickkiller-0710]

I actually started using a 6 button pad because of SF6, I leave my heavies on the shoulder buttons and a Parry and DI macro on the additional face buttons. I find L1 and L2 so awkward to use when you gotta react to jumpscare style SF6 mechanics lol

[@boois4853]

I’d see if Victrix could hook you up with the KO leverless. The buttons are the closest feeling to arcade that I’ve tried on a thin Leverless.

[@oyesiamtomsawyer2]

Just switched to thumb parry on my haute42 B16 last night. Much easier. Keeping DI on my pinkie but it’s only 1 thing instead of 2.

[@pchrisgi4561]

You are correct the PS5 pad is kinda OP for the reason you mentioned. I personally make the middle touch pad my parry, idk if people know that’s a button. My left hand covers DI at all times and is in charge of movement, right hand presses all the buttons

[@HaydenCraig000]

Guitar in the background and the man won't use his pinky? Come on, Brian. :P

[@SlimeSolo]

I use a 16 button Haute controller. Specifically for Street Fighter my Parry button is under MK and DR is the button to the left of Jump. I found it easier to rebind my buttons than going through the pain of hand exercises daily just to get used to using my pinky when i need to react to DR. Majority of the times i could react but just wasn't accustomed to using my pinky on leverless.

[@LOWKAN]

Hand cam when??? I find watching alternate controller types and finger placements interesting ;) Thanks! Great video like always!

[@someguy5319]

pinky is what i use for parry and i have DI on the extra bottom button you got, what also makes it easier for me to hit that button is i use a D-BRAKE plunger instead of the normal one and i just hit it with the palm of my hand so i dont need to hover with my right thumb.

[@jamgUNoh]

as someone who had cubital tunnel syndrome, fuck using my pinky and ring finger

[@SamuraiBeavs]

very informative video Mr. F thank you

[@KINGxF1NESSE]

Gotta thank JonyFraze for putting parry at the thumb. 4TW Gang!

[@galbrightperry4506]

what song is playing at 12:28?

[@tokyobassist]

You can always swap out the switches in the buttons to something more of your speed. I get stock is convenient but there is a reason why suped up versions of cars exist. It's something worth looking into considering how serious you are about competing. If you have any particular questions, feel free to ask. I'm no expert but I've got some controller knowledge.

[@wanpokke]

With a parry macro Brian_F might just be able to stand a chance again a turned-up Roy

[@Striker19F]

For those that wonder how Punk Workshop buttons feel, they are very tactile and have almost no travel when you press them. You can literally can get accidental presses just by resting your fingers on the buttons. But they are very responsive. Definitely a very unique button.

[@shrikelet]

I've been meaning to add a second thumb button for parry to my leverless for a while now, but I accidentally torqued a 56mm holesaw onto my arbor and can't get it off. I'll never win a major at this rate. Unless anyone is selling 56mm buttons.

[@laffy7204]

On my keyboard, that's the drive impact button. I use the top pinky for the parry cause the bottom pink bottom was unassignable

[@davose8756]

You’ve been making the game way harder for yourself. I have a right thumb parry macro and drive impact under my right pinky at all times. I’m also using a split layout, way more comfortable than standard leverless layout imo.

[@biggamallafluer2758]

801Strider said a while ago you NEED a parry macro at high level for this exact situation. It happens with DI too

[@FAIRIS.]

If you love the Kitsune but want a parry macro button in an elegant solution, get the Victrix Pro KO... its modular and perfect for these new games.

[@luce1746]

So do you just not use the far right buttons on the kitsune? What about moving all of the buttons over and having the macros on the left 2 attack buttons?

[@tobylee1170]

If you want to still u😂se the Kitsune, what do you think of moving all normals to the right, then mapping your usual lp/lk to di/ parry? Would the jump cancels be more difficult with all the normals further from the jump button?

[@boogit9979]

What if you shift the attack buttons over so parry and DI are the default LP and LK?

[@KaitouKaiju]

That's what I do but it definitely takes some getting used to especially if you play other SF games with the same controller

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

That's what I do too. Pinky is weak, I don't use it for anything.

[@thingsgeek3801]

You should try a Haute42 M16+ it's essentially the Kitsune with the extra buttons

[@Guiozabr]

05:50 whats da song??? pleaseeeee

[@BrainGeniusEditor]

Character Select Screen - Under Night In-Birth 2

[@lilslash]

PLEASE TRY THE VITRIX KO. It’s just like the razer but with extra buttons. I just got mine in and switch my parry to the same location

[@smugdarkly]

I also use the pinkie for parry.

[@Grimlo9ic]

The jump button placement on the Punk Workshop leverlesses is why I didn't buy any of them, it's too much to the left which forces your thumb to curl in. I use a Haute42 R16 and an Overdrive Neo, both of which have similar button sizing to the OG HitBox layout (30mm jump, 24mm everything else). I've experimented a lot with button assignments, but the most comfy one I've found is to put parry on the extra thumb button, keep DI on the default L1/LB, and the 3kick macro on L2/LT for Ed's command dash (works for Akuma and Ken too).

[@cometdudeman5856]

3:20 you know broski doesn't use any macros on his pad. He's just like that lol

[@h2_]

what finger(s) does brine use for light kick and throw?

[@DJDizzy8]

I'm looking at the Mayflash F500 Flat to get into the leverless game.

[@h2_]

man, I want to try mouse switch buttons, but my leverless of choice can't support them. I gotta go to locals and find someone who already has em for the free trial

[@1000Tomatoes]

Losing left pinky parry right pinky di when switching from keyboard to leverless made me so much worse at reacting to di but better with perfect parry.

[@thebigskip-e]

What are good lever versions with extra buttons? I know Punk workshop makes one. Trying to find more options.

[@richardjonas3956]

I hate the the ps5 pad has a trigger for di, but to unlearn the button mapping is too much of a sacrifice

[@KageXIII]

I need to give in and just use my pinky

[@hazeion]

Are most leverless player Left thumb jump? I am right thumb jump. I purposely unlearned left thumb jump.

[@terryaki]

Brian try the may flash f500 flat I think u might like it more

[@Thisisdell]

Do you use your pinky on your fretting hand?

[@geeflow6669]

Can’t believe Brian Fuentes doesn’t use his pinky for parry 🤦‍♂️ smh

[@ZolhosVerdadeiro]

I want a controller with a configurable pedal.

[@KaitouKaiju]

I remapped my 8 button stick I use the left buttons for parry and di, hit them with my thumb or forefinger

[@rtubgn]

Total noob here but just curious, are those controllers with "macros" and extra buttons accepted on competitions? Or are they made for strict online use?

[@rtubgn]

Oh nevermind its answered already on the top comment

[@Xynbra]

As a pad player I have L1 set to triple punch and L2 to triple kick, I don't like using macros for Parry and DI

[@wildsnack2080]

It's hole for the air

[@bovid2750]

keyboard user here, I have what i think is a pretty whack button layout: U I O P = lp mp hp (all punches) J K L : = lk mk hk (all kicks) M , . = (both lights) (both mediums) (both heavies) is this weird?

[@loganmcgee18]

So the controller is $330.. but the buttons on their site, are only $6 each..?

[@workoutfanatic7873]

I use a 2011 stock Hori fight stick - that’s why I ain’t a pro yet 😂

[@jogginforcancer2005]

like and comment for algorithm healing 🙏

[@coolguyification]

This sf6 player still inputs di the old fashioned way

[@BigE_310]

Is Brian left handed?? His macro buttons are weird and pinky buttons are fine

[@blialee4837]

Thumb is stronger and faster then pinky

[@GDPanda69]

ANGRY COMMENT ABOUT SOL

[@EAprima]

Man. I remember a time when using shortcuts and any other additional buttons was taboo and considered "cheating". Only 6 buttons were allowed just like the arcade machine, everyone had to be on the same level playing field of learning. Even when you used to go and play the game at your friend's house, assigning a shortcut button was completely frowned upon and led to arguments that the person assigning the shortcut could never win. Now look at how everything is today. Not only are macro keys accepted in tournaments, but we also have ACTION REPLAY cheat tools helping too. Tools that developers disguised as "Modern Controls". Lazy controller schemes are deemed acceptable, and shortcuts are considered fine as well. People are not required to play on the same level when it comes to learning how to excel at a craft. What's next? Will script cheating, which is currently being banned, become acceptable in the next two years, disguised as something like "Alpha Controls"? Imagine an amateur reaching the finals of a tournament using "Alpha Controls" against someone who has spent time and effort mastering a standard 6-button controller. If that person with the 6-button controller loses to the "Alpha Controls" user in a tournament with serious prize money, will the Street Fighter and Fighting Games community ridicule them with harsh comments like "you scrub!", "cope much?", or "git gud!" if they voice their concerns about tournament fairness? "But the developers adjusted Modern Controls for fairness", you say? Well, did they? Does that overlook the fact that one player has developed skills over time, while another person is simply "reacting"? The latter hasn't and isn't facing the same psychological challenges that come with "motion inputs" during their matches and is receiving similar rewards after only a week of learning the game. Consider this scenario: a chess-playing kid uses a new controller called "Quantum Ai Controls" to compete against a grandmaster in a finals match for millions of dollars. Would people really not care about the situation? The grandmaster dedicated years of hard work, blood, sweat, and tears to master their craft, only to be challenged by an amateur who has only been playing for six months, equipped with "Quantum Controls." Would anyone be bothered by this? Or think about a gold medal runner who has to run barefoot in a 100-meter "gravel & stones" race against competitors using the latest running shoe technology. Would it be acceptable simply because the barefoot runner previously won a gold medal or they've already made it to the race finals? If that runner loses the race due to the ground conditions, would the response be to just "get gud"? Does this sound extreme? This is what is happening today. Modern controls, which would have been considered extreme in the past, are now being accepted. People think it’s acceptable to see a Modern Controls player executing complex moves via a single button against Classic control players in major tournaments. But responding with “get good” and “cope” is seen as an appropriate reaction to any player who dislikes such situations, right? But hey, I'm not saying that Modern Controls and other assistive tools shouldn't exist. They have done a plethora of good by introducing newcomers to the game. However, without the elements of Relegation and Education, how can anyone consider these methods fair, even at the basic levels? Without proper education, how can developers expect players to develop a mindset suited for true learning? Can developers like Capcom still aspire to have their game recognized as the first "Olympic Video Game" title when there is acceptance of assisted controllers? Do you think the Olympic committee would endorse such disparities on a stage where all competitors should be on an equal playing field of "fairness"? Man. Competitive fighting gaming sure has changed all for the sake of "money", which is exactly what it is. Money.

[@Brian_F]

I think this video is about pressing the button that does the move "parry"

[@heavenlyspring.]

Lost to modern Honda, I assume?

[@EAprima]

​@heavenlyspring.Not at al, bro.. What I said has nothing to do with winning or losing over a modern controller, shortcut or macro or ai assisted player either. I was talking about competitive fairness across the board. Funnily. Honda isn't the one to be worried about in modern controls. Ones to be worried about are zangief, lilly, and Luke. Maybe Ed also qualifies but that debatable. But let's say I did lose to a modern controls honda player, does that mean my points should be dismissed? I don't think so.

[@EAprima]

​​@@Brian_FI know but that shouldn't matter, Brian. I'm just saying in general as you made me realise something and it is related. It wasn't a dig regarding your video, it was a comment in realization that times has changed.

[@macgawain3645]

New Donk City theme is a vibe

[@kneelb4chevelle]

Brine.... take. an. alchohol. wipe. to. your. leverless! Holy moly, that's gross.😂😂

[@Brian_F]

Kitsune will smudge if you wave your hand too close to it. Has nothing to due with cleanliness, the finish smudges instantly

[@kneelb4chevelle]

@Brian_F ik. Just kidding. It's that garbage smooth plastic that all companies are using now because after a few years it starts to degrade and turn sticky to make us buy a new one.

[@Darktalent1986]

because every pro wouldn't be shit with normal every day controls

[@DissipatedTire]

Keep telling yourself that buddy.

[@Rovesse]

I play on keyboard, I have infinite bottuns :D

[@AirventOS]

Make KB the standard!!!

[@laketiger]

Damn

[@ShinOwen2]

Now make a joystick 🕹️!!! Please.

[@kadeem7954]

YEEEEEEE

[@sound285]

This man has a guitar behind him and refuses to use his pinky with a controller... he must not be very good at guitar.

[@NineEight_Nine]

Hitbox looks so stupid but whatever, get ya money if it helps

[@NiecoEatsRocks]

32nd comment let’s go

[@InterstellarBrad]

Sucks this stupid game requires a stupid amount of buttons to be competitive.

[@Grimlo9ic]

True. Fortunately, there are very cheap options now. Unfortunately, that's still spending money for a version of a thing you may already have.

[@Blasarius0]

all you need is six buttons, if you're good. Personally i don't like shortcuts or macros or any of that shit. If i mess up, it's on me; i don't need stuff to correct my mistakes. So, i wouldn't say there's a requirement.

[@MegaMetal96]

lmao

[@tylerm.8684]

He literally says that a ps5 controller is optimal

[@JClakerfan8KB]

Bruh, the stick has 8 buttons and he chose to use 6. Got a new stick for the privilege of using 7. If you already broke the boomer code using leverless in the first place, just use the extra pinky buttons and that's plenty.

[@liveAlittle22]

I been using a leverless layout called the 6Gawd layout ever since July of 2023, and when I tried to shar the word that you need a separate Parry button for your right thumb, westerners would say it was counter intuitive and would be a problem with muscle memory. I was right since July 2023 but when asian pro players started competing with similar layouts to mine, now they all come out of their close mindedness a year and a half later saying this type of layout is optimal. 🤦‍♂