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[@zanelittlegray]

@ellieinspace, why not just ask the Angry Astronaut the how & why of Boeing's "dumpster-fire" of a space capsule?

[@jtjames79]

Maybe she doesn't want to end up on Boeing's hit list.

[@zanelittlegray]

@@jtjames79 OUCH !! GOOD ONE !!

[@rjswas]

Just remember, if they fully delete you, its permanent, we will miss you Ellie.

[@-MeatsOfEvil-]

The launch is now June 1st. 😅

[@elguapoguano]

I understand the negativity. Boeing got almost twice the amount of money that SpaceX did for the same mission. SpaceX has flown 13 crews and Starliner has flown 0. Both of Starliner's test flights had serious issues. Boeing in general is in shambles, it has been documented that Boeing cares more about stock price than building safe transportation systems. And you have to mention the whistleblowers that keep ending up dead, this is a very serious situation. Personally, I would not feel safe flying on Starliner.

[@ctafrance]

I wouldn't get on the starliner for any price. No way. If there isn't a catastrophic failure on its first flight, it is only a matter of time.

[@jtjames79]

Saying you need Starliner as a backup for Dragon, is like saying you need to buy a Reliant Robin as a backup for your Tesla.

[@rogerfroud300]

I couldn't have put it better myself. It's unfair, they've shown themselves to be incompetent, and they don't deserve to be in the business. They're all about money, not Engineering.

[@tjmcguire9417]

Boeing Starliner negativity deserved. You really nailed it. It is not about emotion, it is about facts. Thank you. With two of the best ready to test, (Butch and Suny); I sure hope the eventual launch works out ok.

[@arthurhamilton5222]

Well, Boeing has been forced to provide that 1.5 billion dollars, that they were trying to avoid, in company investment in the Starliner program.

[@Sparky056]

NASA, please check the door pins on the spacecraft, Boeing has a habit of not installing them.

[@gregsteele806]

Ouch? (True, but ouch.)

[@mountedpatrolman]

Came here to say this exact thing.

[@Thunderbyrd.]

I haven't heard that before.

[@kazedcat]

Be careful Boeing might decide to suicide you.

[@lordleonusa]

Why? (1) Delay, (2) Boeing 'Quality Escapes', (3) Overpriced, (4) Dead Whistle-blowers.

[@Ron4885]

Why are whistle-blowers showing up dead? 🤔

[@EdgewiseSJ]

Add in corruption, too.

[@svr5423]

@@Ron4885 maybe they got hit by a door on their way out. Which coincidentally fell from the sky.

[@jtjames79]

So not giving Boeing a participation trophy is hate? Okay if you say so. I just hope the doors don't fall off.

[@sherbournesubwaymess]

This video is idiocy.

[@aaaaa5272]

Everyone is not HATING on Boing's Starliner capsule. The problem is Boing's management who is continously lying and covering up.

[@TheUnofficialMaker]

yes we are. too expensive and we are broke

[@javaskull]

The lack of vision is disturbing.

[@fellixx11]

Boeing lobbied hard to get all the money for commercial crew and lock SpaceX out. Had that happened, with yesterdays scrub, we would still have to pay Russia for a ride to space. Given the world situation, how much do you think they would jacked up the price? The grudge against Boeing is deserved.

[@davidkottman3440]

Yes too much lobbying, too much influence, too much money, not enough results!

[@richdurbin6146]

The Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt are well earned in starliner’s case rather than propaganda where the term originated.

[@Jack.Waters]

To answer the Title: While Boeing was given Autonomy to design and implement. SpaceX was put under greater scrutiny. Even when SpaceX lost a test ship due to Faked Quality Control Reports ( out of their control) they still succeeded. As the first underdog in the Space Race in 6 decades they have excelled because they are not subject to the failings of the Lowest Bidders. Boeing was an Engineering company run by engineers. Now they are run by hedge funder mentatlity. We forever celebrate the Underdogs especially when they are winning. I for one was not disappointed at the Scrub. I anticipated another unfortunate failing.

[@ldifalco2010]

Why does everyone hate on Starliner? Because Starliner is a throwback to launches from the pre-shuttle days. It uses an old designed throwaway booster and regardless of how advanced the Starliner capsule is, it can't compete with Spacex's Dragon, whose booster is recovered over and over again. Boeing is a bloated bureaucracy that has taken way too much time and cost way too many dollars just to launch astronauts to the space station. Boeing should spend its time and money figuring out how to make their commercial airliners safer.

[@ghost307]

Boeing is very good...at figuring out how to maximize the money that they get from the government. Does anyone else remember that when Boeing didn't win the open competition for rocket hardware, they filed a lawsuit like the entire competition was just a show to make it look like the contract awards were being fair. When they actually were fair, Boring lost the competition, along with their mind.

[@tjmcguire9417]

OR... they could just silence their critics. (Hmmmm.) Not good but probable.

[@arthurhamilton5222]

​@@tjmcguire9417 You all better leave Hillary's investments alone.

[@user-ku7jn6fc6g]

The Atlas V was created in the early 2000s, not in the Cold War. Starliner will eventually need to use the Vulcan rocket which is made to be partially reusable.

[@timterry5689]

If you think that Starliner is a "throwback", you don't know much about Starliner.

[@NOM-X]

Its a huge waste of money. Dragon can launch in under 12 hours. The more time they waste, we pay for it. Get rid if it.

[@fosstera]

uh huh how about the time and careful handling needed to fuel its launch abort system? besides, this is a fixed price contract. all excess costs land on Boeing, not NASA or tax payers

[@KrustyKlown]

?? ...and when Dragon blows up and is grounded for 1-2 years ... then what?? ... especially with Russia's World relations in demise.

[@fosstera]

@@KrustyKlown exactly

[@ghost307]

@@KrustyKlown They'll either fix it or shut down entirely like NASA did after the Apollo 1 fire.

[@tjmcguire9417]

A hugely wasterful project using old tech and rockets.

[@surferdude4487]

It's getting so rediculous that I expect Starship to have its first manned test before Starliner does.

[@markevan1]

*ridiculous, not re...

[@myeyesscream724]

The astronauts only just realized they had door adjacent seats....

[@3dprintmiami]

We aren't speaking bad about the astronauts, Starliner is simply out dated to be currently in development. The money needs to be spent on Space station designs or alternative fully reusable craft.

[@davidkottman3440]

The Starliner has taken more time than the Mercury, Gemini, & Apollo programs combined. It'll soon start giving the Military Industrial Complex a bad reputation!😂😂

[@3dprintmiami]

@@davidkottman3440 thats a fact and exactly why we say wtf to starliner for sure!

[@Rob2]

You can call it "negativity" but I think most of the "negative" comments are just making fun of Boeing. They just can't get anything right these days. Do not forget that although Starliner is now mentioned as "a second option to launch American crews", it originally was meant to be the primary option. Over 15 years ago, the design of Starliner started, and they still haven't completed a test crew launch, let alone an operational one. In the mean time, years later, Crew Dragon was added as a secondary option, with a way lower budget, and it already completed two handsful of launches. So it is not that surprising that Starliner gets the "negative" comments... even when they are not always founded.

[@jtjames79]

The problem is if you make founded accusations against Boeing, bad things happen to you.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

YEP it was first supposed to be ready with the ending of the Shuttle though under another Boeing design that failed to deliver even a test flight.

[@kazedcat]

They are very reliable in deleting whistleblowers

[@Sparky056]

So your saying it will be 15 years before they get another rocket ready? I would not be surprised at all.

[@aaaaa5272]

I believe that you are the only one on the planet who thinks "its funny" that Boing is delayed.

[@sp00l]

"Why everyone is HATING on Boeing's Starliner capsule..." Maybe because they are killing whistle-blowers in other divisions...

[@davidsean290]

There’s a reason for the negativity is it’s years behind schedule. Most people get second chances. How many does Boeing need?

[@ghost307]

Infinite chances...each with extra money.

[@unotechrih8040]

They get as many chances as they can pay the politicians for.

[@markevan1]

Boeing has screwed up this project, but to be fair, the problem that scrubbed the launch is a ULA Centaur issue. Boeing doesn't make the rocket.

[@ghost307]

@@markevan1 To be fair, ULA is a 50-50 partnership between Boeing and Lockheed.

[@TheUnofficialMaker]

till they kill astronuts?

[@WilliamLWeaver]

Is this the same NASA and ULA that pushed STEM, STEM, STEM careers and then laid off every Aerospace Engineer and support contractor at Kennedy SFC? Yeah.... that will fuel the FUD.

[@jeffrey5961]

Taxes. The money paid to Boeing was taken as taxes from US taxpayers. When you do not get good value for your payment, you tend to be angry.

[@user-ku7jn6fc6g]

Starliner is not built by taxpayers. This is a fixed price contract program.

[@TheMoneypresident]

SpaceX put in a low bid and got what they asked. Could have gotten more than Boeing.

[@jeffrey5961]

@@user-ku7jn6fc6g Boeing was paid by NASA USD$4.2 billion for Starliner. SpaceX was paid USD$2.6 billion for Dragon. Boeing Starliner costs 60% more than SpaceX Dragon. That money came from US taxpayers. You are correct it was a fixed price contract and that is great news because Boeing wasted another USD$1.5 billion of Boeing's shareholders' money and Starliner still has not flown. To answer Ellie's question why is eveyone hating on Starliner? Because they, the US taxpayers, have been cheated out of USD$4.26 billion.

[@BKD70]

@@user-ku7jn6fc6g So, Mr. Genius, nobody said the taxpayers built Starliner. So who is paying for it then? NASA? The Gubmmint? Where do you suppose those institutions get their money from, besides just running the printing presses?

[@charlesmaurer6214]

One would add Boeing's delays canceled several missions already paid for and Thanks to Space X for taking over some of the undelivered missions. Tax payer paid for a Boeing car they never got and had to buy a Space X car each time too that was half the price of the scammers at Boeing.

[@arthurhamilton5222]

After looking at the astronauts ingress the Starliner, I compared it to astronauts ingressing in the Dragon capsule. Dragon was much simpler and easier.

[@Sparky056]

After seeing SpaceX progress Boeing should spare the American public any more expense in this OLD POS

[@zarl5238]

7 year delay-and we are supposed to stay positive about Starliner-don't think so. Maybe they should let SpaceX take over and put the Starliner on a falcon rocket. I also like Elon's comment where he says we don't need more capsules we need more reusable rockets.

[@arthurhamilton5222]

Starliner has launched, successfully, twice on A5.

[@zarl5238]

@@arthurhamilton5222 wow :( and falcon 9 has launched 339 times in the last 9 years with 1 inflight failure and is reusable.

[@user-ku7jn6fc6g]

@@zarl5238 Falcon 9 is a rocket, not a spacecraft. Crew Dragon hasn't flown hundreds of times. The Atlas V rocket that Starliner flies on has flown dozens of times. It was Atlas V that had the problem yesterday, not Starliner.

[@zarl5238]

@user-ku7jn6fc6g A5 and Starliner both suck- I know the difference pal- excuses excuses- u must work for Boeing.

[@minmo2288]

@@arthurhamilton5222with hundreds of unacceptable issues, they made mistakes that no one has made since Apollo 1 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@MikesTropicalTech]

The negativity is justified by the history of the project, don't be both-siding this issue. Starliner is many years behind schedule, many billions over budget, even after starting with twice the funding that SpaceX was given. It had a disastrous first test flight, followed by a slightly less disastrous second test flight, and now they're putting humans in it without a clean third test? Ridiculous. And it's built by Boeing who we have seen for years has a fatally flawed engineering and business philosophy. It's a damn capsule the size of a minivan, not an entire airplane or rocket with tanks and engines and avionics - and they can't make it work right! SpaceX's Crew Dragon has put over 30 people into low earth orbit and into and home from the ISS, perfectly. It's not FUD, it's fear, uncertainty and doubt that Boeing is going to kill 2 astronauts. If they succeed, I'll be happy for Butch and Sunny and the Starliner team but that's AFTER they've proven themselves. If they don't, there's going to be a LOT of I Told You So, and it will be completely justified. I don't want any more dead astronauts due to bad decisions!

[@TheGhungFu]

Lets look at it from the different direction: Tell me something POSITIVE about Starliner. (Que the jeopardy song .........)

[@baba_kaos]

Its against a Monopole. Innovation needs always more Players - to keep and boost Innovation. The Sowjet Union was a big loss for scientific Space Exploration. The Big Space Race from the US and Germany against the Sowjets was good. The US and the great bunch of German Scientists (Operation Paperclip) did great work with the Apollo Program. Russia is not anymore a great Opponent for a Space Program.

[@tjmcguire9417]

Queue. It made a lot of useless people a lot of money.

[@davidkottman3440]

It's exactly like the Soviet program, now obsolete & at risk of total demise... aka, legacy aerospace.

[@TheGhungFu]

@@tjmcguire9417 Shorthand due to a bloated written language.

[@baba_kaos]

@@tjmcguire9417 The Speed of scientific Space Exploration lost its Pace in the early 80s. Thats so sad. I hope Germany will get on the Track back soon. This Year they get the first German-Starport in Northern Germany on the Sea running again. And that after the legendary Rocket Test Range Peenemünde which was transformed into the legendary Saturn Rocket with Operation Paperclip. And its for scientific Purpose only.

[@ghost307]

I watched the 'tour' of the Starliner capsule and was very unimpressed at how the Commander has to shimmy into their seat. Very poor design compared to Dragon seats. Rather like the difference between slithering under a truck to check a fuel line (NASA) versus plopping down on a sofa (SpaceX).

[@klantic2]

Adapt Starliner to work on Falcon 9. Success.

[@elguapoguano]

Atlas V is usually a very reliable launch system. But you are correct. IF Starliner flies more than it's 6 operational missions currently scheduled. It will need a new launch vehicle as Atlas is being retired and there are currently no plans to crew rate Vulcan Centaur.

[@viperswhip]

@@elguapoguano Who cares? Atlas 5 is about 20x more expensive than Falcon 9.

[@KrustyKlown]

The idea is to have a backup to Dragon & Falcon 9.

[@jtjames79]

​@@KrustyKlown That's the narrative. A narrative that really doesn't hold up to any scrutiny whatsoever. So that's like your opinion man.

[@tjmcguire9417]

Now that is a VERY interesting thought. Good on ya'.

[@oldgandy5355]

The negativity has very little to do with Starliner directly. The negativity is about the political favoritism shown by NASA to Boeing. Boeing was at one time the most highly respected Aerospace manufacturer in the world. Now doors and wheels fall off their planes, and their Space Adventures are questionable, due in no small part to their cost cutting efforts in the quality control end of the business. I want to see the Starliner be a giant success, but I am very nervous about this flight.

[@goodcitizen4587]

Plus Boeing's DEI (affirmative action, etc) hiring is also weighing them down. SpaceX hires the best, which shows in their effectiveness.

[@TheTikiMan]

I got really tired of them trying to sell us on the fact that the capsule has " actual switches and buttons."

[@74360CUDA]

Reminds me of Executives at K-mart unable to change their ways and keep up with Walmart and Amazon. Every button and switch has extra wiring and contacts, bus fuses and other things that add weight and complexity that is just not needed anymore.

[@jtjames79]

They had Stephen Colbert sit in it, and he immediately broke one of the switches. The first thing he touched broke. I was doing the Leonardo DiCaprio trying to get your attention from his chair meme, at my wife when I saw it happen. Meanwhile, I can remote into my desktop from my phone, my laptop, my wife's desktop, and my Meta Quest 3, etc. Every single switch is a point of failure. With screens, you can always bring enough, it's statistically impossible to lose access to systems.

[@Sean-C]

Because switch and buttons is more reliable than a touchscreen

[@professorg8383]

Switches and buttons do not fail when exposed to the charged particles often zipping through space!! Space is a much more hazardous environment than earth.

[@jtjames79]

@@professorg8383 Funny how computers only don't work when humans need to use them. Laptops have been going to space for how long? The last time that argument was clever, my math teacher was still telling me to memorize my multiplication tables because I wouldn't have a calculator everywhere I went.

[@nicolassantos9526]

After two deadly crashes involving its best-selling 737 Max 8 planes, if there is an accident with the Starliner, is going to be brutal for Boeing.

[@d.antondigre8859]

Starliner is the first US capsule to land on solid ground, and it’s capable of boosting the ISS’s orbit. That makes it at least interesting, if not necessary. Also, this far into the program it doesn’t make much sense to cancel it.

[@goodcitizen4587]

Fair point.

[@user-ny2bx8ez1c]

Good money after bad?

[@d.antondigre8859]

@@user-ny2bx8ez1c Maybe, I don’t know the exact accounting, but assuming a successful upcoming flight followed by the other five already scheduled, it seems like cancellation at this point would be a waste. It brings a few capabilities dragon doesn’t have. If it successfully completes six flights it could prove itself useful. Back when the program started, no one knew SpaceX would be so successful. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@j33psh0p]

They couldn't even get the parachutes right. We've been using parachutes on every manned spacecraft except the shuttle for SIXTY YEARS.

[@yacahumax1431]

Every house I owned have a leaking bathroom valve. Its always the valves.

[@classic_sci_fi]

Maybe they should have jiggled the handle.

[@max-q7129]

It is NOT a backup capsule to SpaceX Dragon until it works and quite frankly it doesnt appear that Boeing really cares at this point. If Boeing had their way they’d drop the contract but they can’t. So StarLiner may never be that second capsule and if it has to roll back for a valve replacement then it will have to get back in line for a shot at the ISS. Which could be another 2, 3, 6 months or more. It is not now and never has been a viable backup and I am beginning to wonder if it will ever launch. 4.5 Billion dollars. Think about that. 4.5 Billion dollars and they can’t get it right. Pathetic just like all the other Boeing contracts where they robbed the American people for garbage work, just like their jets.

[@arthurhamilton5222]

It was the ULA launch vehicle.

[@terminalreset18]

@@arthurhamilton5222 As I said before, the RL-10 is the most reliable second stage engine in history. Atlas is proven tech. They fired Rocket Dave too soon...

[@arthurhamilton5222]

@@terminalreset18 Doesn't matter. It is still the A5 launch vehicle that caused the flight to be delayed. Which, means that the safety protocols are working and that's a good thing. U can bet that Tory is putting them to task to get the problem solved, safely.

[@user-ku7jn6fc6g]

It was the Atlas V rocket that had a problem. You didn't watch the video.

[@wolframreactor74]

I hate the Telletubbie inspired EDL suits

[@bme7491]

Boeing has been on the cost+ govt tit so long they can't compete in a fixed price environment. They love to overstaff particularly with management and claiming overruns for the life of the program. They have admitted it was a mistake to bid on CCP and they have no intention to respond to another fixed price RFP. We can only hope that this attitude won't affect the safety and well being of the Starliner crew(s). We need competition, but in this case, SpaceX is the clear winner from all aspects.

[@robinholmes785]

Why is nobody talking about the fact that Starliner is flying on a rocket that is on the point of retirement? Is Starliner literally on a road to nowhere?

[@ross077]

Boeing's performance on the commercial crew programme hasn't been good by any measure so some push back on Starliner is to be expected. However, I feel now is the time to back this capsule so that we finally get a return on NASA's investment.

[@tjmcguire9417]

Or... CUT YOUR LOSSES and stop funding this white elephant.

[@TecnamTwin]

Sunk cost bias?

[@javaskull]

Sunk cost fallacy.

[@ryanab01]

It's time to cut losses.

[@Sparky056]

@ John Smith: I think Boeing has lost sight of which end is the pointy end

[@LindaRelph]

Ellie, I love how you go out of your way to explain what is currently going on in space and make it easy to stay informed.

[@jasonstonier1732]

I noticed the Tunnel Mars t-shirt which made me think of something I've been wondering for some time. Will space x send boring company AI controlled tunnel borers to Mars to drill tunnel complexes for a base as part of the overall plan to establish a colony? Imagine two borers tunnelling through a mountain from opposite directions with intersecting routes that overlap so the borer can double as an airlock.

[@gregsteele806]

Yeah, there's a reason Musk invested in Boring tech. Plus, it's no coincidence that the borer will fit inside a Starship cargo bay.

[@davidkottman3440]

Yes, when & where are the questions. No, Boeing won't be delivering it.

[@jesse2450]

Boeing built it?! I wouldn't trust it

[@TheMoneypresident]

Coward doesn't get on a rocket.

[@goodcitizen4587]

Boeing? I'm not going.

[@SciFlyGal]

Not to be too pedantic, but part of the reason Boeing got more than SpaceX for commercial crew is that SpaceX was adapting their already existing Dragon cargo ship, while Boeing was starting from scratch.

[@Tinman_56]

Those valves need a redesign of their actuators to control the open and closing action from two different points on the same axis.

[@markevan1]

That's not the issue. The issue is that the rules are tougher for manned flights. The valve issue happens from time to time. It just can't be resolved with crew on board.

[@Tinman_56]

@@markevan1 That's not my point. I totally understand and agree with Tory regarding his flight rules for crewed vs. uncrewed flights. My point is there's a solution to the "well-known accepted" buzzing issue with the relief valves industry wide! Noone has taken the initiative to fix the problem. 🙃🤪🤓 it is resolvable.

[@KaliferDeil]

Boeing has always taken shortcuts, causing delays and product shortcomings. About twenty years ago, I remember talking to a Boeing engineer who was very unhappy about Boeing's production practices. In this case, it was airplane doors. A few years later, there were catastrophic failures in this area that ended up costing many lives.

[@MrGunderfly]

Ellie, i think we are getting too focused on what is or isn't "negative". what is or isn't perceived as negative is irrelevant. negativity or positivity and obsessing over perceptions is just had wringing. we must allow what folks might perceive as negative. negative reactions pessimism, skeptical comments, all of this are human nature and part of the risk reward realities of technology evolution under public scrutiny. is the negativity earned? and even if its not earned, scepticism is super important. let's not try to deter negativity. lets try to focus less on our emotional reactions to comments, and more on the substance of them.

[@GregoryJByrne]

Perception is reality which is why controlling media is so important to the nouveau Nephilim. Western Christian nations are being invaded by Eastern secular Antichrist pagan nations. These are just the birthing pains & the first of Noah's tidal tsunamis will be pulled out & around the planet east to west by the new moon with the first major conjunction of mercury & venus in 2033 & every 40 years thereafter for the millennium it takes the earth's orbits to precess across the Sun's magnetic equator between the fermie cells of it's double torus OOrt cloud magnetosphere. Mystery of the 7 star crossings Jesus held in his hand not you or CO2 is causing this the millennium of climate change end times.

[@c0d3warrior]

"The customer is always right", basically. And in this case the customer is the tax-paying public. The attitude of the last 10 years of telling the customer what he has to want instead of listening to him has to come to an end.

[@bernardopaul7861]

Ellie, your coverage is something the space sector sorely needed : a more "news-like" approach different from the ultra-nerdy or ultra-fanboyish tone of most YT sources. Keep up the good work.

[@MrGchiasson]

Starliner... The last of the old world Apollo capsule-remakes. Half of the STS is made of surplus parts from the Space Shuttle era.

[@user-ku7jn6fc6g]

Starliner has literally nothing to do with Apollo or the Shuttle and shares zero lineage with either. It's not even slightly like Apollo.

[@Agent77X]

Starliner uses cutting edge technology way beyond that found in Space X Dragon!😊 The inside of Starliner looks like something found in 1,000 years into the future.😊

[@shannonwoodcock1035]

SLS was surplus Space Shuttle components, but the taxpayer was charged differently and we spent a decade of subsidizing the Russian Space Program. Boeing didn't fix that problem, SpaceX did. Imagine where we would be today with the ISS if SpaceX & Crew Dragon didn't exist?

[@goodcitizen4587]

@@user-ku7jn6fc6g Was their launcher still using soviet RD80?

[@markevan1]

@@Agent77X Wow. You got that completely backwards. Capsule not reusable. Launcher not reusable. Uses old Apollo era tech and old mechanical controls and switches. Far behind Dragon.

[@greghight954]

If there is ever a problem, SpaceX can have a second or third falcon 9 I the air before anyone else can get 1 rocket in the air.

[@shableep]

It’s important that we have diversity in space flight providers. For that alone it’s important that Starliner flies. But- the execution of Starliner given their budget and experience is an absolutely, and notable failure that suggests we have to look seriously at the lack of competition that SpaceX has. It’s working for now, but there’s no guarantee it’ll work long term.

[@tjmcguire9417]

Think Ariane 5. The new Japanese H3. More coming. Possibilities abound. ISRO. Space is not just American Made.

[@davidkottman3440]

​@@tjmcguire9417 Soon you'll be able to add Neutron by RocketLab to your list.

[@baba_kaos]

Yes. Germany will launch its first Starport this Year in the Sea. And i know that Americans laugh about Europe espacially the Germans often and call us Europoors and stupid Loosers. But they know nothing about Things like Operation Paperclip today. And this Time after the legendary Peenemünde Rocket Test Range it will be for Scientific use only.

[@jkleylein]

Don't wait for Blue Origin; they will make Boeing's delivery look like a bullet train.

[@user-ny2bx8ez1c]

Just have Elon design 2 different configurations & call it done! You know they'll both work.

[@therombaro]

Seriously. Mrs Bairds could bake a capsule faster than Boeing…

[@Lynxdoc]

What if the astronauts just said Nope, I changed my mind. Not going! ?

[@TheMoneypresident]

They aren't pussies and there are back up astronauts training equally.

[@mike_w-tw6jd]

At what point does bravery turn into foolishness?

[@Sean-C]

They have no choice. They do what Biden and the democrats tell them to do.

[@josephwisniewski3673]

I believe that happened several times during the crew selection process.

[@Sparky056]

"hell no, we won't go"

[@chrisfelan2665]

I’ve worked at Boeing and worked at SpaceX. One place felt challenging aggressive and fun and the other place felt like a corrupt old bloated government extension

[@williammcconnell9501]

The modern Boeing can’t walk and chew gum. The excuses are endless.

[@marksadventures3889]

Boeing don't help themselves with the issues with staff care. I am surprised Boeing have ridden the storm, or has it just not fallen apart yet? I am not a fan of companies who mistreat their staff. Otherwise they could have been a very good service for space exploration.

[@alanhart9992]

Sorry Ellie. Starliner was a cut corner built Capsule. I hope the flight goes well but I would not want to fly in it.

[@arthurhamilton5222]

But, this one is on ULA.

[@user-ku7jn6fc6g]

This wasn't a Starliner-1 issue. It's an Atlas V issue.

[@Codysdab]

​@@user-ku7jn6fc6gthat's not what OP said. It's in the general context.

[@trespire]

The most alarming reject on Starliner was the use of Velcro. It's as if the people working on the system have no connection to the space industries history and legacy. Highly concerning.

[@robindehood207]

It's not FUD, it's just plain observations. Boeing has given us a consistent pattern that is so reliable in predicting what will happen next. Calling it FUD is just not fair. McDonald's ice cream machine is always broken and saying that isn't FUD.

[@dreadous]

Did the door fly off! So I know boeing didn't murder those quality assurance inspectors. But they are responsible for there deaths. 🙄

[@akira28shima32]

After decades and decades of fleecing taxpayers. Karma is coming for Boeing!

[@davidkottman3440]

*fleecing?

[@Mity_Mo]

Did you know : Apollo 11, propelled by a Boeing-built rocket, lands on the moon on July 20, 1969, the first human visit to another world. On July 20, 1969, four days after being launched into space by the massive Boeing-built Saturn V S-1C first-stage rocket, the Apollo 11 lunar module "Eagle" touches down in the Sea of Tranquility on the surface of the moon. At the Cape, the three stages of the Saturn V launch vehicle and the Apollo 11 capsule were assembled under Boeing's supervision.

[@AM-hf9kk]

OF COURSE we need alternatives and redundancy, but at this point it doesn't feel like a competition at all. SpaceX has run away with a huge lead while Boeing and ULA are content to shoot back and rake in massive government checks. They've lost any sense of the pioneering spirit in their drive to hire as many ex-congressman, ex- generals, and lobbyists as possible. SpaceX has gone back to similar methods that gained great leaps back in the fifties and sixties, without sacrificing any human lives. SpaceX had shown the world that you CAN reuse a rocket 20+ times, but the old guard have zero interest in cutting costs and improving their launch cadence.

[@Mity_Mo]

More than 10,000 Boeing-built commercial jetliners are in service worldwide, which is almost half the world fleet. The company also offers the most complete family of freighters, and about 90 percent of the world's cargo is carried onboard Boeing planes.

[@jamesogden7756]

It's mind boggling how many people are forgetting that _ULA scrubbed this launch_ . Not the Boeing Starliner. ULA has an impressive record of safety under Tory Bruno and I'm happy he's keeping it that way.

[@jamesengland7461]

The Everyday Astronaut released a great video today with some insightful information on valves and sourcing them.

[@pauljaworski9386]

the elephant in the room question. What kind of issues does SpaceX have with valves?

[@jkleylein]

They have had to scrub tests because of valve issues and it seems that may have contributed to the loss of control on the last orbital flight. The thing is SpaceX finds the problems and fixes them unlike a company with 50 years of space experience which creates years long delays by dragging its heels.

[@jbarvideo12]

Ellie and Joe, Thanks for your engineering details and your evaluation about Boeing's Starliner Capsule.

[@daviddipasquale5479]

Thank you Ellie, enjoy your coverage And I wish Starliner a successful mission!

[@RahmanDwi]

SpaceX actually has one serious issue about their Crew Dragon in the past. A Crew Dragon prototype (C204) exploded during ground testing in April 2019 but they fixed it in a short amount of time, thus regained public confidence once more. For Boeing, even though none of their Starliner fleet had exploded to date, they had cultural and managerial issues that further lose public confidence that Starliner is safe to fly after they fixed many issues on Starliner itself

[@av_kovko]

ULA will rollout Atlas V 022 in Vertical Integration Facility, for replacing valve on Centaur upper stage. Launch has delayed on next Friday May 17 at 6:16 pm EDT, 10:16 pm UTC. Broadcast on NASA TV at 2:15 pm EDT, 6:15 pm UTC. Atlas V 022 will rollout on pad 41 NET May 14.

[@ghostspex2182]

From Nasa's perspective, they want to have a backup instead of relying solely on SpaceX. They learned that from the Space Shuttle program.

[@rudivandoornegat2371]

Maybe Ellie in Space merch could be expanded with Space fashion? Longsleeve T-shirts and pajama pants replica's of the white and blue suits we saw in this vid?

[@mrmariusi]

1.That valve needs a redesign with a damper or a [bigger] hysteresis. 2. Strange that procedures do not allow actuating cycling with people onboard. The valve is probably redundant, stuck closed would make no risk due to the redundancy. So the risk seems to be "valve stuck open" => "pressure loss" => Centaur hull integrity loss. Time to redesign the Centaur for Vulcan to have hull integrity without pressure if we want to carry humans on Vulcan-Centaur?

[@PongoXBongo]

Not sure what browser you're using, but you could probably "mute tab" so that videos don't play with audio during chats.

[@pauld6967]

@15:45 I certainly agree that reusable spacecraft is desired. However, I am not cheerleading for SpaceX's design. No, I want the craft from _'Space: 1999.'_ The Eagle for civilian use and the Hawk for the U.S. Space Force.

[@jamesengland7461]

Thank you. Ellie and Joe, for offering a more optimistic and positive outlook than the usual internet negativity! ❤

[@wacojones8062]

I wonder how many people are alive who watched the Echo ballons floating by overhead in space like I did or who remember the US Navy Vanguard 3 fail on launch. My dad made parts for the Army Explorer Project satellite that made it into space.

[@KrustyKlown]

The Shuttle experience clearly showed the need for a LOE backup .. the extra cost for TWO different viable vehicles, is insurance well spent.

[@gregsteele806]

Spoken like a man who would endorse Kamp Krusty. Tell *Mr Black* we said hello. 😉

[@davidkottman3440]

The idea is sound, & the SpaceX team delivered, proving the concept... The Boeing effort has been less than stellar and unfortunately not worth what we paid for it.

[@terminalreset18]

You can probably build and launch ten Dragons for the cost of this turnip.

[@jamesnicholls9969]

this is what happens when you only launch 3 times in a year instead of nearly 100. things are left lying about in storage for so long that you get corrosion and sticky valves especially in Florida's humid weather. the same corrosion happened on the starliner valves.

[@EricSNeitzel]

Shopping for valves on Wish is definitely not the crème de la crème when it comes to thrifty spending.

[@Sean-C]

Imagine if the Starliner with NASA astronauts in it blows up.

[@jameshewitt3747]

Ellie, didn't you watch the after scrub news conference? I did and I am confident the launch will happen on May 17th

[@pilotdawn1661]

It's like the old PC vs MAC argument. Main thing was Safety First, and that's good. Boeing has had a lot of bad press lately and that may contribute....

[@javaskull]

Bad press??? Press doesn’t make planes crash, doors fall off, or nose gear to collapse. Also that is quite apart from the disturbing allegations of corporate whistleblower assassinations.

[@margaretgentry8572]

Boeing whose plains keep getting grounded?

[@Dtk-1ofakind]

You mean Boeing's planes(and parts) that keep hitting the plains!

[@yankeeskipper2748]

valve should have been redesigned as this has been long term problem. Problem is "one time use rockets" are not designed as well as "reusable rockets"

[@ivanbasson982]

Does it have an MCAS system ???....

[@salty_berserker_channel]

The whole atlas starliner and skirt combo looks janky.

[@Mity_Mo]

Will Apollo ever get off the ground ? What does this mean for Boeing, North American Aviation, Douglas Aircraft Company, and IBM ?

[@GabrielVelasco]

We don't really need more capsule options. We need more rocket/launch options.

[@timlaughman7074]

Godspeed to this crew , man just let it go well .

[@tyharris9994]

Fear is something that will keep you alive and it's very justified in this case given the history of this Boeing project and of Boeing in general. We have live astronauts in this thing.

[@PongoXBongo]

It would be cool if Starliner could be a launch platform agnostic capsule able to launch from atop multiple different rockets. Less bespoke tour bus and more universal train car.

[@MeteorMark]

The Boeing Starliner RV / Van is very Space Balls 😂

[@MrTopgun1998]

And as far as the suits. I hope those zippers on the ULA suits are better than the ones on everything else. Imagine being in an emergency environment where you need to get your helmet on and the damn zipper gets misaligned or gets stuck or breaks off entirely. Also I'm not sure but can it even be done by one person or does it require a second person to zip up the helmet.

[@evdave528]

Sadly this “Stick your parts into things” is more about making click bait ( $) than testing safety.

[@williamhoward7121]

It is critical that we get another reliable crew launch system working. We're all frustrated because Boeing is taking three times as long as they should have to get this done and spent far too much taxpayers money for the output they've shown. At this point I just want to see it's successfully launch and start paying back a little bit of what it's cost us.

[@davebooth5608]

It will never be an effective tool in crewed missions. They don’t know what they’re doing and someone will get hurt. No crew resipply missions only!!

[@oldconspiracydude236]

one of the atlas 5's 340 x 240 CMOS cameras must of detected that the valve was out of position.

[@deeremeyer1749]

The amount of KZbin "support" you have among "space enthusiasts" suggests your definition of "everyone" may be less than accurate.

[@trespire]

Sunita Williams is highly capable and experienced. If anyone can pull this mission off it's Sunita. Keeping my fingers crossed they have a safe flight.

[@seemoretoys5944]

I wish we had capsules during the 30+ years when the space shuttle was flying.

[@ivanbasson982]

The Austronaut Commander : 'If its Boeing, I ain't going'....