Why Everyone Is Wrong About This Notorious Serial Killer

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[@Capitan_Unknown]

Cool

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[@theunluckycharm9637]

@@Capitan_Unknown very cool

[@LachlanWarford]

cool

[@intotheaether9022]

Hey Thoughty2, have you ever done a video or given an explanation as to why your channel is named what it is? I'm just curious because it feels really close to a reference to the Hitman video game.

[@jackmason5278]

When you were talking about some recent serial killers, I was thinking "What about H. H. Holmes?" Next you talked about Holmes, and I felt proud to have known about him. Then you set the record straight. I was shocked and deflated.

[@BraydenBarlow1210]

Let’s also mention the fact that H.H Holmes is actually Jack the Ripper

[@out_of_orbit1968]

​@@BraydenBarlow1210 nah that's dB cooper

[@mikefrosty9306]

@@out_of_orbit1968 actually its me

[@krishanuA]

We hear you!

[@OrdinaryCritic]

The internet isn’t real, all of this are just ads and bots catered to suit your desires based on a microchip implanted to your brain at birth.

[@WickedFelina]

Anybody ever get the impression Thoughty2 picks his subject based on the popularity and SIZE of the "moustaches" in his stories???

[@monot00nz]

🤨🤔

[@Me-mt4dp]

lol

[@rh2097]

That's just what Big-Stache wants you to think

[@Split0069]

Of course!

[@WickedFelina]

@@rh2097 HAHAHA!!!!

[@bad_money]

That's ironic, the most famous detective shares a name with the most horrific serial killer.

[@Trick-Framed]

It's also funny they are both fiction. Holmes killed people for money. It wasn't a hobby and although he is a psychopath just the same, it's different. That and no one has proven he actually did most of what he is accused of. Over the years things that couldn't be solved got thrown squarely on the Holmes list.

[@magivkmeister6166]

**Vsauce sounds** OR IS IT?

[@osmanhadzalic9060]

Sherlock Holmes is fictional, HH Holmes isn't so no irony here pal.

[@PrairieWolff]

​@@osmanhadzalic9060 Lemme guess, you don't have a lot of "pals".......

[@Trick-Framed]

@@osmanhadzalic9060 Holmes chose his name. He wasn't born Holmes.

[@Miss-Anne-Thrope]

It's common for serial killers to exaggerate their crimes. I think it's because most of them are highly narcissistic and will do what they can to get the recognition they believe that they deserve. Whenever I read about particularly heinous crimes with high victim counts like H H Holmes, Elizabeth Bathory and the like I always bare in mind that newspapers always exaggerate things (some things never change) but that there's usually a train of truth there too. It's unfortunate that we must rely on newspaper reports for so much of the information about history. There are other sources but these are scant compared to the newspaper reports.

[@veskoavramovic6531]

I doubt newspapers had much to say, much less exaggerate anything in the case of E. Bathory...how many of newspapers or journalist do you know btw.the ages of 1560 and 1614?😂

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

@@veskoavramovic6531 Maybe not "Newspapers" in so many syllables... BUT in that same token, because literally EVERYONE involved had their reasons (profit, status/class, politics, public image) to exaggerate or lie outright. For the time, even something as petty as a stolen chicken would result in a document called "Letter of Complaint", and there's almost nothing of those... The witness accounts that can be confirmed are largely based on word of mouth, and even the arresting officials gave enough conflict in their own accounts to be questionable at best... The reality is that even AFTER her legal husband died, she was making money AND expanding her land-ownership, in a place and time where women just were NOT welcome to do that kind of thing independently. Men felt threatened and insecure, and she held debt-marks for several other nobles and their families. Keeping more or less to herself, and mostly earning a living by teaching Courtly Manners and Etiquette to young women for THEIR families, she was an easy target... especially when making business deals to profit a woman couldn't be seen as becoming for a man of the times, she would've been kept quiet about that so rumors were allowed to fly. AND for the estimates of her victims and atrocities... from the shear scale there should be SOMETHING findable now... and there simply has been NOTHING in spite of questions, and returned investigations... so the whole "affair" is doubtful at best... Newspapers only later turned the rumormill and sensationalism into an industrialized business... not so much for dubiously and randomly finding rich women to burn alive for fictional crimes, but purely to sell their supposedly credible "journalism" no matter how many or to whom they caused harm in backlash for this fictional behavior... ;o)

[@Rngenius_]

There is an excellent book called "The Devil In The White City" that tells the story from both H.H. Holmes perspectives and the architects that were working on the Chicago World Fair. I recommend it if you want to know more.

[@fidhammer]

Great book

[@Noseheros]

reading this book was my introduction to H.H. Holmes

[@jackryan4313]

Such an amazing book

[@jackryan4313]

@@zacazzz wait what!? Hell yea

[@WalkenDead]

Good book, I read it a few years back. I'm not sure how factual it is, but it is a good read

[@TheGlssr60]

I started watching a television show called "Timeless" several nights ago. I came home from shooting pool last night and was perusing KZbin and came across this video and watched it. A little later after that I resumed watching "Timeless" and the second episode I watched was about them going back to the World's Fair in Chicago and getting trapped in this same "Murder Castle". You would not believe how often that sort of thing happens to me and yet I'm still astounded every time it occurs. (If anybody's confused I was referring to the coincidence happening to me, not getting trapped in the "Murder Castle".)

[@ayoelang]

Oh thank gawd. I was afraid I had to go bail you out. It would really mess up with my plans today!

[@TheGlssr60]

@@ayoelang It's the thought that counts.

[@yepiguess-nn8kc]

@Ayoe Lang @Gary Stump Sr I was thinking exactly the same thing!! except that I would likely end up trapped in a murder castle! and, sorry gary, but no thanks..

[@jasonvoorhees8545]

It's not a coincidence

[@TheGlssr60]

@@jasonvoorhees8545 I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning behind that assessment.

[@davidlancaster8152]

Being the macabre historian you are, I was wondering when Holmes was going to get your treatment. And you don't disappoint. Thanks for always trying to deliver the truth. Excellent.

[@CrazzyJokerr]

Just watch 3-4 other history fact channels, he copies other youtubers when their videos are successful. I watched basically the same video by some other guy about a week ago ... And yes that's no coincidence, that's about the tenth time I've seen him doing it

[@jeinnerabdel]

@@CrazzyJokerr Link to those youtubers and "original" video about HH Holmes, please?

[@aSipOfHemlocktea]

​@@jeinnerabdel don't wait for them, they're lying.

[@CrazzyJokerr]

@@jeinnerabdel Dude I watch like 30 videos a day. The title was something like: Who wins the serial killer competition?

[@whathaveicreated1197]

@@CrazzyJokerr so cringe Ai videos?

[@arunaudi9768]

Man, I love these videos. The storytelling, the comedy and just the entire atmosphere is simply incredible. Keep it up my man.

[@discotecc]

ive been watching for years and years and just want to say your content is the best its ever been right now, the hard work you put into the channel shows, these videos are fantastic

[@thequantumnexus4270]

Isn't the outlandish death factory the plot of American Horror Story: Hotel? I'd definitely put the final confession down to, "I'm gonna die, let's just go crazy and make a legend. They'll be so confused they'll never know the truth." One last con.

[@colinmaass4260]

Is it weird that I’m a little disappointed that he didn’t actually build the Murder Castle?

[@skatepirate97]

no totally not it would only be weird if this didnt happen like 200 years ago

[@TB163]

Every time he says "Thoughty2" in his accent, one hears "42" which is "the answer to life, the universe and everything", which perfectly describes the theme behind the videos on his channel, leading one to assume why he chose this name. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

[@rgerber]

it's official he chose a name that sounds similar to "42" ....

[@SgtSupaman]

A common misquote. In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of etc., not the answer to those things themselves. What this "ultimate question" is never gets revealed.

[@abelsauvaneix3951]

I'm sooo glad that someone finally tells the truth about Holmes so-called "murder castle" ! To me, Luis Garavito is by far the worst serial killer if you ask me

[@newtagwhodis4535]

Everyone here should read Devil in the White City!!! Amazing book detailing this story and that of the world’s fair itself in Chicago at the same time. It’s incredible.

[@shereesmazik5030]

I’m was born in Chicago and this is News to me ! My family has personal items from the Fair . Mind blown-good job !

[@johnsimun6533]

A eye , hand, a shoulder?

[@shereesmazik5030]

@@johnsimun6533 No , just a plaque .

[@johnsimun6533]

@@shereesmazik5030 be careful. The world has jumped went through a pandemic. Hopefully it has several safe points to help prevent the release.

[@johnsimun6533]

*just

[@johnsimun6533]

@AzureWolf150 the plaque, or body parts? I believe it is according to your location, and situation that is in question. Generally, I would guess not, but if you possess any of these. You may not be concerned about that, but Akuma, Matata?

[@neproxigaming]

The mark of a good content creator is choosing interesting content and presenting it in an engaging and digestible manner. The mark of a great content creator is making content that might not normally interest me enticing by merit of their ability to entertain and engage in and of itself. Your videos have become a staple of my day. Thanks for what you do!

[@merlapittman5034]

Fascinating video, as I've seen stories before that perpetuate the "Murder Castle " myth. I've always taken the story with a grain of salt because I couldn't believe he could get away with such wholesale gruesomeness all by himself. Thanks for the clarification!

[@alexandriarennie5992]

At the time he was killing he honestly could of gotten away with it he could of done all this stuff there's just no proof or documentation to back it up making it a rumor which was easy hiring multiple different building companies to build part of the hotel there were secret hallways and rooms that led to no where and shoots that led to the basement they just don't have any evidence that he used the hotel for malicious intent

[@michaelpalmieri7335]

​@@alexandriarennie5992 The third floor "hotel" part of the building was never finished, so the "secret" rooms, hallways, shutes leading to the basement, etc, probably never existed at all. They may have been simply inventions of the press, as were many of the stories about H.H. Holmes and his alleged "Murder Castle."

[@whitehawk1057]

I decided to go back through the back catalogue, it's weird watching how you first started constantly pausing while making the videos and looking a bit nervous, now its more league of extraordinary gentlemen Quartermain style. Keep em coming.

[@Fizzwhizz28]

I literally just woke my hubby up with laughing so loud when you said “ Both being colossal bastards” lmao 😂😂😂

[@LKJames]

Was watching a video from 4 years ago then saw this, you have changed so much it's incredible. Well-done.

[@nonosays]

One of the most unforgettable, compelling books I ever read is Erik Larsen's bestseller THE DEVIL IN THE WHITE CITY. His historically-based books are famous and among the most popular in the world. Are you saying his research on H.H.HOLMES had more holes than a dish-drainer? That would call into question everything he ever wrote. I'm speechless. 😮

[@GageisME333]

As soon as the mentioning of the design to the building was very mazelike, i was immediately reminded of the dark pictures anthology game, the devil in me, there’s a reference to HH Holmes at the beginning of the game and its the inspiration to the game itself, I watched Jacksepticeye’s playthrough of the game, thats the only reason I know about it

[@UKnowtheThing]

I love that his neck didn't break right away and he swung on the rope for 20 minutes. Some good suffering time there.

[@MrHerbsky]

Murder Castel you say? I thought the H.H stood for Haunter House Homes lol

[@EvillivE71]

Gets buried in concrete to avoid being dug up. Gets dug up anyway lol.

[@CantTellYou]

Now I’m questioning if some journalist heard he’s stolen horses and was just like “it’ll be more fun if it’s stolen corpses”

[@truthtalkwithtymon5030]

Thanks for finally making a H.H. Holmes video. Herman Webster Mudgett, is a very fascinating study. I studied about him in a Sociology class in college when we had to write a report on a criminal mind. I tied him in with Jack the Ripper, whom I believe are one and the same. He was in London during the time of the Jack the Ripper murders. And after he left London the killings stopped, yet similar killings happened in the United States. In fact, Scottland Yard was notified because of the Ripper Style murders in the United States. Another great and fascinating video. 🙃

[@Styptix]

funny that even after requesting to be buried in concrete, he still ended up being dug up for scientific reasons

[@kurtzahner8590]

there was a show on the history channel a few years back about hh holmes and the conspiracy that he was jack the ripper but shocker just like oak island it got nowhere

[@auqustfire]

Everytime i'm channelsurfing and I see an episode of Oak Island, i'm just like, "still ain't found the treasure, huh...getting real ark of the covenant vibes" lol. Then again, that's just everything Discovery/History channels do lol.

[@paulamiles9559]

You are spot on. There is so much false information out there, and we're all fascinated by the idea of a " murder castle". It's almost impossible to verify anything on Mr Hrrman Mudgett. Thanx for your video - setting the record straight(er). Poor Mr Pitzel and family.

[@Elora445]

The beginning of the video: Between Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Rader, that's a really tough decision. Both extremely evil in somewhat different ways. Deciding who the most evil or worst serial killer is? Almost impossible. Thanks for pointing out the mythic parts of the HH Holmes story. His actual murders are horrible enough even without yellow journalism.

[@adeponol]

I actually think Albert Fisher is worse

[@Elora445]

@@adeponol More worse than whom? There are many who are worse than HH Holmes in many different ways, but when it comes to the first two I mentioned, I'm not sure I would agree. I agree that Albert Fish was really, really bad, though. To say the least. He's definitely up there too. Any child killer is simply evil.

[@LFanimes333]

He’s actually a lot more normal than most other famous serial killers, who often killed for sexual pleasure or other genuinely deranged reasons. This dude was just a greedy asshole who went too far for money and then just said fuck it, I might as well keep going.

[@AmitKumar-gm2ml]

FUN FACT : The famous wrestler (Triple H), listed his name from H H HOLMES, just to terify the opponent by the name.

[@cjdaly4652]

Great narration, great story stated in a very chill way. Thanks

[@antonsimmons8519]

Alliteration and clarification, nice to see what's behind the curtain on this one. Keep up the classy style, it's fantastic.

[@bethgrinnell1164]

In college a history buff friend of mine told me about a local family who owned a glass manufacturing plant. (there's a ballpark named after them near campus) and supposedly their entire bloodline was cursed after supplying the windows for H.H.Holmes's "Murder Palace" now I'm not so sure about the whole story, but it's still cool to think about.

[@DUKEHadToDoItToEm]

I still think it's hard to argue that HH Holmes was a serial killer, at least in the sense that we think of them today. Not only did he have a clear and "rational" reason for doing his killings (money), unlike people like Dahmer and Bundy who did it for a cheap thrill, but Holmes also supposedly showed remorse for multiple of his killings Personally, I like to argue that HH Holmes was more of a career gangster type than what people think of as a serial killer, although by definition he technically is

[@godwarrior3403]

Agreed. He was gruesome and able to do children and dismemberment, as well as people close to him who trusted him, almost certainly a psychopath. But not a serial killer in any other way than having multiple bodies.

[@monkeykidd420]

What are you talking about? Hhomes was more than likely psychopathic there was no remorse. You don't kill 200 some people and have remorse. You don't kill more than one person and not have remorse. The dude is a serial killer, multiple people. Some of them just for fun. I'm from Ohio. We grew up hearing about his House of horrors

[@DUKEHadToDoItToEm]

@@monkeykidd420 if you press the read more button you'll see that I ended my comment by saying "by definition he technically is". Never argued that he wasn't, just that he's not comparable to Bundy or Dahmer for instance Also, he did show remorse, there are letters that exist that at the very least claim within that he was having issues coming to terms with the fact that he killed family members and others close to him, particularly a woman he'd fallen in love with

[@christiandaugherty6339]

​@@monkeykidd420 Did you watch the video? He didn't kill anywhere near 200 people and the 'murder castle' story is almost totally made up.

[@papabumba478]

though on the other hand there were also letters saying that what he did was so dark, he didn’t know if should lie, because people might not believe a human could be so heinous. Also adding that he would skip writing about the begging for mercy and screams for help, not because they bothered him, but to save the readers. So I don’t know if he was… truly remorseful

[@dauntlessasmr7910]

Okay... Not quite the monster History portrays him as, but still a horrible monster non-the-less. Genuinely surprised Hollywood hasn't done a loosely-based historical film about America's first serial killer.

[@NyxinOwl]

Love this channel! Thanks for all you do and for being a genuine being!

[@themetalchica]

"Bury me under cement so nobody can ever access my corpse!" Ya gotta love irony.

[@jsnedia5389]

Yes another Thoughty2 video while enjoying a fresh cup of tea

[@JasonSmith-eu4ng]

I would agree Holmes was the worst. His progression from normalcy to complete sociopath psychopath is pretty crazy if he wasn’t caught when it happened there is no limit to the carnage he would have committed. I don’t believe he reached his limit.

[@gabagool2064]

Did you even watch the video? Almost everything that is regarded as fact about Holmes is bullshit. 😂

[@origami83]

This kind of journalism still exists today, in most mainstream media.

[@violetedwin5656]

8:38 - surely “Netflix and kill” would have been a better phrase lol

[@dredgendrake3149]

You could tell he tried so hard not to say Netflix and kill instead of Netflix and dismemberment. Love the content as usual♡

[@LetsbeHonestOfficial]

Try Luis Garavito with possibly 300+ kills. The worst part? he only got 22 years and is eligible for parole now in 2023.

[@RipRoaringGarage]

6:35 theres a headstone that says ..MAX HELL Well...appropriate for the video.

[@TyphonYEeEeee]

Don't know how he keeps my attention; I don't have the longest attention span, but I watched all his videos for 6 hours straight..

[@sharkfeathers8499]

Netflix and dismemberment...LOL!!! Pure gold!!!

[@CaseyAvalon]

Yes, I love these old true crime topics 👍🤠

[@lisapop5219]

Strange that he killed innocent children rather than the mother who was in on the life insurance scam

[@wuteva34]

Yea I always questioned this whole story about this guy

[@Mythosthemighty]

This guy makes great content

[@agnishmitra8559]

@snarfsnarf977 Certainly H.H.Holmes 😅

[@Timjacks01]

Thought Shipman would have got an honourable mention

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[@jsully8076]

Everytime you say "thoughty two here", it sounds like you're saying 42.

[@ChickenPermissionOG]

I kill Cereal everyday.

[@grugnotice7746]

probably Winston Churchill, tbh. For an American, FDR is a good contender. Though Dubya is pretty close behind him.

[@Toucansam46]

His remains were actually exhumed because a distant relative of his was convinced he was Jack the Ripper

[@davidhallett8783]

Awwww. That s terrible to disrespect the dead

[@twiztidfreekshow199]

I live about 10 mins from (the original) HHH's (Triple H - wrestler joke) grave site. He's buried in Yeadon / Darby PA, USA. So glad people are finally learning his true history and not only going based on fantasy. (AHS hotel didn't help lol) Love your face. Thank you for another fantastic video

[@jackiec498]

Was his grave always littered with fanfare and half-empty liquor bottles? I always think it's so strange how the wicked are "honored" after death.

[@BrashFink]

I will also say... some of what you mention is slightly incorrect. While i agree the totals of 200 is grossly exaggerated, there are some amount of bodies found in the house that were unable to account for as to if they were older than the said property. Also the property was “mysteriously” burnt down to prevent it becoming a tourist attraction, thus ending any possibility or future investigation.

[@GunnarClovis]

Man has the time to play Elden Ring but not 30 minutes to make breakfast. What a magnum gamer

[@Kynoki]

It’s late in Europe, but that haven’t stopped me, from getting my Thoughty2 liquor before🥃

[@Razer5542]

I've been following things related to H.H. Holmes for years, it's so interesting. Thanks for the video.

[@Skippers-Garage]

Yay another thoughty2 video!!! We all know this one will be a good one.

[@HeroesFanXL]

Missed a great opportunity there for "Netflix and Kill"!

[@Manterok]

How much sense does that make? "Hey would you take my execution??" "Sure man!😄"

[@bivamondal2022]

It would be better if you make a video about the bad effects of antibiotics in human body.

[@donovankriasol]

Love from México Thoughty

[@Working_Man]

H.H. Holmes was just a Hassler that took it to the another level.

[@princerupert6161]

Well, the story is from the US... Even today everyone has a demon in the basement, shadow person in the living room, an alian sitting on the patio at night and a bigfoot in the back yard. 😮😁

[@veskoavramovic6531]

14:49 so he decided to fool his business partner instead of the insurance agency?😂 smart

[@turtleofpride4572]

Albert was probably the worst Fish in the sea.

[@Jhayzer021]

Thoughty2 referrencing "Elden Ring" makes him a certified Man of Culture. 👌

[@ahmedhammad6-k9l]

The thumbnail alone can make a child have a heart attack

[@thetallguitarist3595]

Amazing creator :D

[@grimsladeleviathan3958]

Never have I ever thought that insurance scam can be equated to an Elden Ring boss lmao

[@just_icethereal]

Thanks for sharing

[@artawhirler]

Hey, if you were a newspaper editor in the 1890's, and you had an opportunity to call a local building the "Murder Castle", why wouldn't you do that??

[@TheHiddenHistoryChannel]

If he had three illegitimate wives, wouldn’t that make him a ‘trigamist’ or a ‘quadgamist’ - rather than a bigamist?

[@stephenlamley541]

Thanks for bursting my bubble. I thought it was just me with a murder castle. Oh well. I still have the murder orchard.

[@PersianGhost]

Haha the Elden Ring Joke was awesome 😂

[@Salena905]

I remember watching a crime documentary about him and amazed how he created this creepy house etc, then found out it wasn't true 😂. Thanks for putting us right with the facts, I still found the whole story of him fascinating thanks to your way of story telling. Great job as always ☺️👏👏❤️

[@Williamswartz]

H.H Holmes is speculated to be the ripper as he did buy tickets to the same location and dates as when Jack the Ripper went on his spree

[@gabagool2064]

That’s all bullshit. 😂

[@mathieuleader8601]

Sherlock Holmes V.S H.H Holmes would be a great story

[@littleninnie]

Before watching this video, I thought it was about another serial killer who owned a huge building and used to kill travellers who were staying for free in his "house".

[@adamc18]

Super interesting video. Somehow, I never knew any of this until recently. I played the dark pictures anthology: the devil in me, and the game takes place in a replica of the murder castle, with the killer imitating Holmes. Before playing that game I had never even heard of him before

[@theidiotsarewinning2868]

Finally someone exposes this story as BS.

[@JeffHardyTheEnigmaticOne]

“London Bridge is falling down, Falling down, falling down, London Bridge is falling down, My.. fair.. lady..”

[@fatdog1963rb]

Didn't one of his relatives (modern) try to prove HH Homes was Jack the Ripper? With a TV show

[@kevinwest7111]

As a long-time believer that the whole Murder Castle story was a huge exaggeration, I was very glad to watch your video.

[@charlitto317]

Wait H.H. Holmes, HHH.... Oh shit triple H is a time travel and he changed his name so no one would know about the murders he committed.

[@melsterifficmama1808]

Is it wrong that I'm disappointed that the Murder Castle story is a bunch of hooey? Yeah. It's wrong. I'm a monster.

[@ZomBeeNature]

Never heard of him before.

[@jeremysiron9622]

I’m still waiting for the movie based on this to come out, I don’t know if anyone has the rights but I’m so surprised they haven’t adapted this….who you guys think should play Holmes?

[@jackryan4313]

It shouldn't be called "yellow journalism". It should just be called journalism. At the very least, that is what modern journalism is. I guess that was just the birth of it

[@themonsterbaby]

The fact you got The Zodiac Killer beating Garavito in the bracket makes everything else in that bracket null. Garavito was CONVICTED of raping, torturing and murdering 140 boys. He killed possibly as many as 400. Nobody else on that list comes close..... Pedro Lopez in the only other killer in his league. And Lopez was actually freed after he served his time (free right now, or likely dead since nobody's seen him in 20 years). Garavito will also be released really soon. Since Colombia and a lot of other South American prisons have maximum sentences they can impose.

[@kimcarriveau8266]

I think its great you tell the facts about what was going on!! keep it up!!!

[@nicholashamlin6004]

Someone should do a musical about this. Maybe Tim Burton and Johnny Depp

[@nicholashamlin6004]

With Amber Heard too