Why Exorcists NEVER Video Tape! w/ Fr. Carlos Martins

[@bradyhayes7911]

Unrelated, but wanted to let you know - I was a lifelong Southern Baptist/Non-Denom, and last night I had my first RCIA class. Your podcast has been a massive part of this discerning process. Thanks, Matt. The Latin Mass, St. Thomas' reason, and the Rosary brought me home - and this podcast was my introduction to all of it.

[@martypopeye8236]

Amazing brother. God bless you. We are all in this War together

[@CReck-ch6et]

I became Catholic recently

[@margaretrobertson2848]

GOD BLESS and guide you always🙏💞

[@ochem123]

Praise God! ♥️

[@kendraburke864]

Welcome home❤

[@popsharrison5431]

Ed Warren said, "for the believer, there's more than enough evidence; for the hard skeptic, there'll never be enough".

[@--M--1111]

What was his point you think?

[@Anthony-fk2zu]

For the skeptics “If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.”

[@l21n18]

Wrong

[@Thedisciplemike]

Correct

[@QiryuslilBerdy]

"If" it actually happened and could be demonstrated, but all you have are stories from 2000 years ago. Imagine if I declared Cyclops are real and when asked for proof I just point to a chapter in Homers Oddysey, and then when you rightly don't believe me based on such flimsy evidence I berated you, called you closed minded and irrational, and then threatened to torture you for eternity after death. Tell me you at least see why skeptics don't take you and your beliefs seriously.

[@Thedisciplemike]

@QiryuslilBerdy that's probably the most strawman argument I've yet to hear. 1.) These exorcist examples are modern, not 2000 years old. 2.) The main claim of the Gospels is that Christ was raised from the dead, which we have more evidence now then ever before. 3.) We don't "show proof" by simply pointing to the Bible. That also would be a logical fallacy of an argument from an authority. No one uses the Bible to convince people of the Bible (they shouldn't if they do). 4.) Any sort of real beration, persecution, calling "closed-minded" and irrational, comes from the Atheists today, and 5.) It's not us that torments you in Hell, it's yourself

[@macmac1022]

@@Thedisciplemike >> that's probably the most strawman argument I've yet to hear."" ????? I think he is on point with the first comment. "“If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.”" He is not talking about the exorcisms, he is talking about the comment and comparing it to another claim and book. >>1.) These exorcist examples are modern, not 2000 years old. 2.) "" I dont think hes talking about that. >> 2.) The main claim of the Gospels is that Christ was raised from the dead, which we have more evidence now then ever before."' ????? Can you give some examples of this evidence? >>. 3.) We don't "show proof" by simply pointing to the Bible. That also would be a logical fallacy of an argument from an authority."" Its often circular reasoning, and that is what the guy was pointing out above. And what evidence outside the bible do you have for the claims jesus rose from the dead? You do know if you dont have any, you are committing circular reasoning as well. >> 4.) Any sort of real beration, persecution, calling "closed-minded" and irrational, comes from the Atheists today, and "" I can assure you that is false. Do you want to come see the evidence for yourself? I got LOTS of comments from asking simple questions where I get attacked by theists. It happens on both sides. >>5.) It's not us that torments you in Hell, it's yourself"" ????? I dont even want to know how that is relevant to anything. Here are some simple moral questions. People of all kinds please state if your christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics. #1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral? #2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child? #3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others? #4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it? #5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?

[@robertgillis6245]

Father Lambert stated “ Exorcisms are not video taped because it deprives the possessed their human dignity.” .

[@JarekKrawczyk]

What you wrote is simply not true. I assume you have been mislead by lying priests. There were several fully supported by the Vatican documentaries made on that topic. "The Devil and Father Amorth" by William Friedkin is a documentary about the exorcism of an Italian woman in the village of Venafro referred to as "Cristina" by this "famous" exorcist priest. There is nothing supernatural there. What is hilarious that in that "documentary" the voice of the woman has been at one point altered by the "chorus" sound effect to make it sound "demonic" (to perhaps bring the primal fear in gullible people). Only latter the same clip is used for refference in an interview and the careless editor of this fakery has used the unadulterated, original clip still with her a normal voice. There is another documentary, very factual indeed, titled "Deliver Us" or "Libera Nos" by made by an independent filmmaker Federica Di Giacomo, which offers intetesting perspective on the psychology underlying the continued practice of exorcism in the contemporary world, as more people begin to classify their anxieties as possession. You can see there poor people, essentially naive members of a catholc "cult" performing expected from them, ordinary behaviours, there is nothing supernatural, there is exactly z e r o of that .

[@randomenvelope]

Cop out. If demons were real proving it would save so many souls. Just blur their face ffs. They are clearly lying, otherwise they would prove it.

[@THIAGOFLORIANO]

@@robertgillis6245 bullshit

[@ChiakiNanami736]

Given that people can have their lives ruined by 15-year-old Tweets, can you imagine your prospective employers googled you and exorcism footage is the first thing that pops up?

[@evelynbare1975]

Shouldn't be a problem. Even in my misspent youth I lived by the code of if you're bold enough to do it, you're bold enough to admit it. I was taught as a child to never lie, not even for myself, and if you're feeling like you want to lie, then you're not living right. I was shocked then by how much the worst of the worst would lie, even to themselves, about what they would do. I WAS raised right, and I was taught right, and even then I would never cross the big ten. I should have been dead many times over, and yet I'm not. Jesus Christ of Nazareth saved me. ME. HE is my redeemer and my salvation. I live for Jesus Christ, Yeshua, and God, Eloheim now. Even if they were not in my life, I will never serve the fallen. Glorious thing for me that my Shepherd brought me back home.

[@defaultytuser]

For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't, no proof is enough.

[@wallyd710]

There's proof of demonic possession that would be very compelling for me and most other skeptics, but in the end every example provided is obviously a person with significant mental illness acting what they imagine a possessed person would act like Anneliese Michel is a great example of this

[@mymyscellany]

this is just SO false. What you said is pithy but is obviously false at a glance. OF COURSE verifiable demon possessions would convince MANY people, myself included.

[@roscius6204]

or exists......

[@Charlotte_Martel]

So conveniently, you never provide ANY proof for your outlandish claims. Yet when any other religion does the same, you break out your sceptic hat.

[@defaultytuser]

The quote alludes to how big a factor our subjective experiences and observations are at the time of assessing _truth_ . I ask you , Wally, what would you consider compelling evidence? A video? Witnessing it yourself? A peer reviewed paper by an academic institution you trust? To you Charlotte, did I say I take the Exorcist's statements as a testimony of truth? Did I at any point state my religious beliefs? Still, you accused me of bigotry and arbitrary skepticism which, in a way, it reinforces the original quote.

[@AdamZ84]

An exorcism was recorded of Father Amorth shortly before he died. You can see it in the documentary “The Devil and Gabriel Amorth”

[@ekatrinya]

I have no problem with that and I get it. If it happened to me I wouldn't even want to watch the video of myself.

[@banmancan1894]

Same.

[@wallyd710]

He doesn't like the video because its discrediting to his profession, it's a conservative Catholic young woman talking about what conservative Catholics were talking about in the 70s, how Vatican II was bad

[@progidy7]

That's simply bias. If it happened to me, I'd want it recorded.

[@lucidlocomotive2014]

@@progidy7I absolutely would want it recorded as well. How would that even negatively affect me? And even if it did, it’d be worth it to have actual real proof of the supernatural on video

[@banmancan1894]

@@progidy7 I think bias is a strong word. Personal preference yes. I feel like people use vocabulary on these kind of videos like every conversation is a debate 😆

[@Frauchen.mit.Huendchen]

I grew up near in this region of Germany. And I think they did a lot more mistakes. People were shocked what happened. Still today Exorcism is a very difficult topic in Germany, and many people see Exorcism as the thing that killed Anneliese Michel. To make things worse there was a group of people that where convinced she was a Saint and they exhumed her some years after death. It became a kind of real life horror story and cast bad light on Catholicism and Exorcism.

[@evelynbare1975]

Real life IS a horror story for some. Better dead than an instrument of the fallen. My opinion.

[@tommykinsella3796]

She choae to be a victim soul the BVM appeared to her-the Excorcism provided great info as to how the demons work etc.-- the secular German atheists had no interest in the truth

[@oneperson5760]

That poor girl. I pray her soul is at peace.

[@squidward6187]

I kinda wonder if my mother is possessed. She used to torture me, also the cat, and when she tortured us, she had the most demonic grin on her face, her eyes bulging out - like something in a horror movie. My young brain couldn't process it, it would make me freeze in horror so I couldn't even cry out in pain. It was beyond horrifying. And she has the power to completely control men.

[@adampark1104]

How would she torture you and the cat?

[@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit]

Maybe get some help instead of saying this here lol

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

This is quite serious and isn’t a one sentence explanation. YOU MIGHT BE IN MORE DANGER THAN YOU KNOW. I had a similarish experience with a loved one though less severe in some ways and much more focused on self destruction. It was a demon that time, and at the end, even the 30 year career psychiatrist was humbled to dust and agreed. He now prescribes medication and earthly treatment on paper and spiritual help off the books. I believe many demonic possessions and oppressions are falsely diagnosed as various mental conditions. That is not to deny the existence of organic mental conditions, just like not all foot pain needs surgery but if you only see surgeons the diagnosis will always be that you need a surgery or if you only see pharmacists you may need a surgery and get only medication. You should ideally get multiple diagnoses from several specialists right. Perhaps your mother is possessed and needs help. Perhaps she just has more worldly problems. She probably needs to see doctors and priests to actually figure out why. There are many signs for both often with significant areas of overlap. Also there are different demons that do different things. Read the Bible and you will find several descriptions of how a few different demons interact. Regardless of the cause of her actions faith and prayer are needed for her and you must give forgiveness as well. I also believe that demons look for people with gaps in the armor of God and if you have not forgiven (not forgotten) you may yourself be a target of the same demon if that is what it is. THESE THINGS CAN MOVE THROUGH FAMILIES like a contagion. Put on therefore the FULL armor of God, that then included your feet with the Gospel of peace and the sword which is the word of God both of which are found in the Bible. If reading and rereading the Bible could be a medicine that could prevent you from suffering her fate (and if it is a demon she is suffering seeing but unable to control) how many doses would you take? How many for your children? I take up my Bible every night and do whatever I can to not just wear that armor but keep it well polished. I also play old church choir music every night as we sleep, have crosses in every room, and use holy water. The Bible tells us that is an evil spirit is cast out but returns to find the house empty it will bring seven more with it. TAKE CARE my friend. And spiritual care in the end is all that really matters.

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unitmy friend, this is no laughing matter. Getting help is not always so easy. I was a cop at one point and there was an abused child. We responded over and over with CPS who did NOTHING! We tried so many times to help this little girl. We would park outside the home to “run radar” just trying to prevent the abuse or catch it in progress. We dreamed of hearing screams and kicking in that door and beating those parents with expanding batons until justice was served. Again and again we escorted child protective services and nothing happened. Then one day there was an ambulance call to the house, her little lifeless body had been beaten to a pulp and the parents had tried (poorly) to clean up and make it look like an accident had happened. The mother was an Registered nurse who eventually confessed that the little girl had wet her pants and so they beat her to unconsciousness and the mother as a medical professional had checked her pulse but administered no aide but rather just let her slowly die for hours. When there was no pulse she didn’t do CPR she and her husband tried to clean up and stage an accident. That was the end of my policing career. To see such evil but have my hands tied by liberal policies was more than I could bear as a Christian. Likewise I have also experienced a familiar member with a demon. Years of psychological “help” were easily obtained but all failed. It was a man of the cloth that met her and knew almost immediately, only by divine intervention did we find him, and he us. After the process of him gathering evidence and calling a specialist, years of torment care to an end in a single night. Sometimes getting help isn’t so easy

[@NMemone]

​@nemoexnuqual3643 That is horrific. I'm so sorry you went through that. I'm glad you got out. That is more than anyone should have to bear. Someone I know recently had several members of their family murdered. At one point I found myself thinking about the police officers who discovered the scene. I tried to imagine how one could process walking into a house and finding two adults, two young children and three dogs all shot dead. My mind simply cannot comprehend it. How do you function as a human being in that situation? How do you get that out of your head? It made me wonder if any of the cops quit after that. I sure hope they are getting help for the trauma it must have left them with. People who can cope with such awfulness are a special breed.

[@gereminguyen4923]

Anneliese Michel was a Victim Soul. The reason she was possessed not because she was bad but she was very good.

[@ThanksHermione]

You can't be possessed if you're in a state of grace. What canonized saint was praised for enduring possession?

[@gereminguyen4923]

@@ThanksHermione en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_soul Look under Notable Cases! Anneliese Michel is there.

[@pamelahermano9298]

@@ThanksHermioneSt Mariam I believe her name was. I think she’s also known as St. Mary of Jesus Crucified. She was an Arabic nun from the 19th century if I recall. There is precedent. Those demons didn’t even want to possess her, God made it so. It’s in one of the bonus episodes of the Exorcist Files that Father Martins talked about.

[@nwakubastan]

@@ThanksHermione Read about Antoine Gay. Not a canonised saints though but his life is a testimony that God can allow some victim souls to be possessed all through their lives.

[@victoriaeinbinder9487]

My understanding is that because demons have possession of the body but not the soul, even a very holy person can be possessed. Annalise offered her suffering for the salvation of wayward priests. She could be a Saint.

[@lemonprime7889]

That's interesting. The ban on recording exorcisms has nothing to do with my pet theory of demons influencing people through the footage. It's literally just to respect the privacy of the victim. Exorcists have a totally normal reason for not wanting to record their exorcisms, lol.

[@MWroses]

The other reason they are not allowed to film or record exorcisms is because the demons will retaliate against a camera crew or other people who are filming. The devil does not want people to believe he exists. Recordings won't prove anything anyway because people who don't believe will just say it's fake or special effects.

[@mattysee24]

It's not a "show" or a "spectacle" to be viewed for people's entertainment. People don't understand, the church isn't trying to prove anything to anyone. It is what it is and hopefully none of us have to experience it, God willing.

[@Qwerty-lp1fz]

@@mattysee24 That's just BS excuse. Many things that they claim is falsifiable and yet they are literally unable to provide any evidence to wider public leaving us with nothing but their tall tales. All they say is on the same level of credulity as big foot existence and alien obductions.

[@katovomkozies]

Because it would be super hard to blur their faces lol It's all make believe

[@NMemone]

Years ago my friend made a video recording on his phone of an historic funeral home we visited. He uploaded the footage to his computer and when we watched it later we saw he had captured footage of a dark orb moving across a room. We played it over and over again and could not explain what it was. It really freaked us out. What freaked us out even more, however, was when we started talking about it at a party he was hosting several months later. He pulled up the footage on his computer to show everyone and the orb was gone. As the camera panned across the room all you saw was an empty room with nothing hovering in the air. The recording was otherwise completely unchanged. This seems to support your idea of dark forces manipulating video footage. We were FAR MORE creeped out by the idea of something following him home and messing with his computer than we were of encountering something weird at the funeral home. It spooks me just thinking about it now!

[@Iordanus_Gregorius]

For clarification, in the first tape recording of the exorcism the Priests explain that it is being recorded for the Bishop to hear. Not for public dissemination originally.

[@wiggybends3632]

Correct about the lengthy conversation - not sure why the priests used that approach

[@PrzybyszzMatplanety]

IIRC it was ordered by their bishop. Perhaps guy didn't believe himself and wanted something to ruminate on. Not a coincidence if you consider German bishops had serious issues with very idea of possession (they didn't believe it true).

[@va.j]

I agree ! Never allow a demon to have a microphone. CAST HIM AWAY directly!

[@rubenmartinez4346]

In that exorcism the demon spoke about the damage of removing communion rails and kneelers.

[@pennsyltuckyreb9800]

Church of Nice Modernists: Don't mention that! REEEEEE REEE

[@KyleWhittington]

I'd warn against putting too much stock into what a demon says. In the full interview, Fr Martins mentions how the exorcist can only compel the truth out of a demon in the case of the exorcism. The demon was under no obligation to tell the truth in that. It could very easily be that the demon intended to sow confusion and discord in the Church. Judging by the only other reply to your comment, I'd say that the demon was successful in that.

[@pennsyltuckyreb9800]

@KyleWhittington Oh yeah? You were there? You can tell what's false and not from a demon? Would it help you to know St. Padre Pio hated the modernist changes and the direction of the "new mass" prior to his death and Vatican II? Don't trust what you hear from Saints, either? Explain to us what possibly is "better" about receiving in the hand instead of centuries on the tongue? What is "better" about standing than kneeling before the presence of the Lord? Why even make these changes? For what? Dismantle and change around almost every Church in the world? Huh? Just curious. Dumb me.

[@jendoe9436]

Why would one believe the word of a demon? As Father Martins often mentions, demons are legalistic and anyone with a passing familiarity with matters of law and other legal matters (including financial and accounting) knows how one can twist words and meanings to make their case. If a demon mentions how removing communion rails and kneelers is bad, one should immediately ask why in the heck they would say anything like that and what’s their motive. Was the demon even being serious or was it said in sarcasm? Was it actually a truth or something they manipulated to sound good to overly righteous ears? The damage of removing things like communion rails and kneelers may be bad for overly scrupulous people, who are constantly anxious about their state and the demons see an opening to drive them away from the Church. For those who reverently partake and consume communion, there is no damage done to them as they trust in Jesus and his Church who guides the faithful. All to say, demons are sleazy legalists who know how to use their words to manipulate people.

[@aeow8859]

​@KyleWhittington I really feel like kneelers isn't a hill any church really needs to die on, either way.

[@canalettov]

I vaguely remember reading that Mrs. Michel was a mystic and agreed in one of her visions to be possessed for the sake of proving the supernatural for an increasingly skeptical world, so I guess, if that's the case, this would be an exception and would be according to her explicit intentions...

[@annehector7616]

@canalettov Fr. Chad Rippeger spoke of her story in an interview, he seem to know it very well better than Fr. Charlos. He said she was very holy & faithful to her Catholic upbringing. She went to Mass daily, prayed very much so, always visited the Blessed Sacrement at the Tebernacle. She was possessed twice, once when she was like a teenager i think & the second time was some yrs later after the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to her to ask her if she would allow herself to be possessed a second time to show the world the truth of the devil's exsitance! She said she would; unforunately the demon that God allowed to possessed her was one that did not allow her to eat, so eventually she die of starvation. Well i don't have the link for that interview but you can find it by typing Fr. Rippeger's name & a lot of his talks & interviews will appear! God Bless!🙏

[@caliomaston42418]

Having worked in exorcisms . (Nowhere near the level of this brother )! I have a big problem with them being recorded especially for public viewing. It just seems wrong . These demons want to be seen. They want the spotlight They want people to pay attention to them. That's why they act out

[@curseofsasuke]

You’re accidents talking about narcissists

[@jeffreyalilin7314]

I think Pilipino exorcist Fr. Darwin Gitgano video taped his exorcism... its just that he did not release those videos in public.

[@wallrusmoose2111]

Fr. Ripperger spoke about the case of the young woman that the movie was based on.

[@pamelahermano9298]

Would you by chance have a link to that? I’d like to watch that.

[@wallrusmoose2111]

@@pamelahermano9298 I listen to that talk several months ago I don’t have a link at the moment, but if I find one, I will pass it on.

[@pamelahermano9298]

@@wallrusmoose2111 much appreciated

[@victoriaeinbinder9487]

I think it was on Taylor Marshall's podcast.

[@rofo4610]

Well said father.

[@matejskoko8915]

Just copying this comment by a Catholic from another one of Matt's videos in hopes Matt would notice it... *"I really wish someone would push harder about this topic. I agree with the questioner. You could also blur the persons face. It just is one of those things that seems coincidentally convenient. Especially since the person could give permission, and the face can be blurred, and basically a million other methods could be used to avoid the reasoning the church gives for forbidding it. Whenever the topic is brought up in interviews with exorcists, when they say it’s to protect the identity of the possessed, the interviewer will always just be like “oh okay” and move on. All I’m saying is I wish someone would continue for a little while with followup questions! I’m sure the church is justified in her decision but I wish the objections would be explored and answered so I could better understand the justification!"*

[@joeskis]

I'd say because such a thing should never become entertainment. If it's recorded it eventually will be.

[@joewat3982]

Please discuss the difference between *_"POSSESSION"_* vs *_"OPPRESSION"_* Religious OCD [ aka _SCRUPULOSITY_ ] might blur the line for some people

[@arthurrock4979]

I totally agree with the Catholic Church on this. If you're really in this mess, the last thing you want is to also worry about bunches of idiots, who recognized you from a KZbin video, plotting to lynch you, burn in your home, etc. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of these Protestant delivery videos are of paid actors and other conartists. In reality, you're dealing with enough stress already.

[@lucidlocomotive2014]

On the question “would you want a video of YOUR possession to be publicly broadcast?” My answer is yes, of course I would. Why would I not? It would be video footage of a real supernatural event, which is incredibly rare if any even exist at all. It could potentially convert millions depending on the contents of it. I don’t really know why anyone would care either way, it’s not like it would be likely to have much of a negative impact on my day to day life. If it’s not convincing then only a small number of people will see it or care, and regardless having a video out there of me being exorcised doesn’t mean people are going to have my address or SSN or anything like that. Any inconvenience it might cause me would likely be worth it to have solid video proof of the existence of the supernatural, and even if people did recognize me in the video it’s not like I’m doing anything bad or worthy of canceling me or negatively affecting my reputation right? And even with all of this, at the end of the day you could always blur the faces, Copy the blurred version, and delete the original. That being said, Im sure the church has a good reason for this rule, I just wish I knew what it was. Protecting the identity of the possessed is not a valid reason obviously, since making a video would not require any identifying information of the victim to be made public, faces can be blurred, etc.. I see so many interview videos with exorcists where they are asked this question and their answer is always that it’s to protect the identity, and then the interviewer is always just like “oh okay” and then drop it. I REALLY, really wish just once one of these interviewers would ask followup questions and press a bit more until they reach the actual reason for the rule

[@alessandrom7181]

In Fatima sun was spinning around and seen by thousand people, It was deemed like mass psychosis by experts. Do you think in 2023 with all special effects people would believe in an exorcism ? Also It doesn't happen stuff like in Hollywood movies everytime. Demons have not all the same power of course nor possession Is always so deep rooted if caught in time.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

The "possessed" identity could be easily hidden with modern technology. If the evidence is 1/10th of what is claimed, it wouldn't convince everyone but millions would undoubtedly convert. The only logical reason for not filming this is because the priests realise that the reality doesn't come close to the claims. If Protestant exorcisms are similar (besides the rituals of course), the afflicted simply growl and speak in a deeper yet naturally achievable voice. Nothing supernatural occurs.

[@janelleg597]

I don't think anyone who has actually experienced possession would agree with your naive statement. Demons violate your mind, body and spirit. It would forever alter how someone looks like you

[@jameslay1489]

Seems more likely the Catholic Church needs to cover up the fact that exorcisms aren't just religious nonsense.

[@Waxican]

@ashleywalker3535 can I get a name for the paper? Or the university or journal it was published in? I don’t know if your real name is Ashley Walker, but I typed that name up in google and “demon possession research paper” and nothing came up. I mean I saw in other comment sections that people asked you for the church or at least the city/state where you saw that video and conveniently you can’t remember. You’ll have to forgive people for not believing you when you can’t even remember the basics like where/when this all took place.

[@jgdn-ow5mh]

Why did I open the comments section??

[@johncopper5128]

Thank you.

[@GentlemanBystander]

It's telling to see the pain that mentioning it brought to Father Martins' face. It's not the reaction of a venal and uncaring man.

[@abrahamornelas160]

When the almighty calls we answer. Ones journey impacts all.

[@pietersmits7485]

Was she really possessed? When you hear the priests ask a question and the answer isn't the 'desired one', they say a blessing and repeat the question. If I was rigging the game, I'd know they wanted me to answer differently. Also, isn't it true that demons cannot lie at any point during the exorcism as they are bound?

[@alessandrom7181]

They lie until they can but when God wants they are obliged to say the truth .

[@sassychimpanzee7431]

I recall Father Ripperger saying that the demons will often attempt to lie during exorcisms, but you can tell that they are lying.

[@alexisrodrigues4767]

As Fr. Ripperberger told, no humans can levitate against gravity. That proves Devil can do that.

[@katkat2340]

Compassion for the suffering soul. How Gods mercy must of poured out in her. Those who use the info and the tapes of the possess will be judged. Exorcism is an extreme work of love and mercy. After all … how many of us want freedom from our sins , we entrust to go to confession . God have mercy on us sinners. God empower your exorcist with your love and burning heart. God entrust your Priests to the most holy work of Mass, confession .

[@JarekKrawczyk]

Nope. It is as fake, as fake martial arts schools. There were few documentary made that did showed actual catholic exorcisms. There was nothing there, just poor people psychologically abused by eager, fanatical priests

[@Howdoyoupurr]

Actually much wiser reason not to video type an exorcism. Those things work based on laws of authority.and if you have it recorded. Their lies still exist here on this plane of reality and can work through them to attack people.

[@rep3e4]

Thanks, interesting

[@chilogutierrez8760]

Novus ordo vs Latin doesn’t matter. All you should be doing in church is weeping and begging god for forgiveness. You can do that in either format

[@lucidlocomotive2014]

Yeah it’s just easier to get into that mindset when your environment and surroundings are specifically designed to inspire awe and transcendence, which is not present in most novus ordos and can only be found at the TLM

[@myrcewalda5812]

@@lucidlocomotive2014I largely agree but there are plenty of reverent novus ordo masses. I’m blessed to have been in areas with traditional congregations -where Mass is said as VII intended; ad orientem, with Latin liturgy, use of chant etc.

[@lucidlocomotive2014]

@@myrcewalda5812 yeah absolutely but they are very rare unfortunately

[@AdamZ84]

@@lucidlocomotive2014I think the point being made is the rareness is not Vatican II’s fault which is what the vocal rad trads like to post especially on KZbin. Father Wade Meneses said it best at the last Men’s Conference I went to. “Vatican II was not the cause, but the occasion of the modernist infiltrating” (paraphrasing)

[@quilisma9102]

No mass is a holy sacrifice and offers so much more than just weeping for forgiveness, this makes the rite crucial. A rite which is suspiciously Protestant for example would be a very bad thing.

[@thekikupiku]

It's the exorcism case that unfortunately made it so that there are basically no more exorcisms in Germany... Germans are very skeptical of possessions since Anneliese Michel, especially since she would not have any visions or episodes when on medication.

[@alessandrom7181]

Devil Is smart of course would make people believe she was okay when on medication.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

@@alessandrom7181 Or perhaps she simply had a mental illness that the medication kept manageable? Nah, must be Lucifer himself 🤔

[@matthewevans5758]

What? She wasn’t ok on the medicine, that’s why they continued moving towards exorcism.

[@drigondii]

Potions and elixirs have been effective at subduing and concealing demons (without casting them out, of course) for millennia. How strange that the credence is given to the more primitive answer.

[@NoChance18]

I love how 3 Catholics (Alessandrom, MatthewEvans, and Drigondii) have given 3 completely different and contradictory responses to this comment. The demon was in control and hiding on purpose The demon was in control and not hiding The medication worked at taking the demon out of control, but not casting it out How can we claim to know that demon possession is real if we have no idea how to measure it?

[@ozzy_au]

I don't entirely agree, the CBC Germany launched an investigation into this, I can't find the source right now, but there have been reports of findings of epilepsy and/or mental illness. An exorcism should only be done at a very last resort after all other natural/biological avenues have been exhausted thoroughly. I do agree it's easy for us to sit here now and give opinions after the fact. On the other hand, we can't be too complacent or afraid of deliverance. Either of these extremes would benefit the kingdom of darkness. We need a balance that ministers to the whole person.

[@naijagerd7909]

My statement has nothing to do with you agreeing or not. But, wasn't she in and out of hospital, for a couple of years, BEFORE her Exorcism began?

[@victoriaeinbinder9487]

You're suggesting that the secular state of Germany on the 1970s could be sufficiently trustworthy to diagnose demonic possession vs. mental illness? If Kamala Harris told everyone tomorrow that demons are imaginary and people just need more vasectomies and abortions, do you think we should just nod and say "oh yeah, demons aren't real at all."?

[@sandrothenecromancer6810]

"demonic possession is fake" then there is no wrong in offering your soul on piece of paper and signing with your own blood to whoever is nearby, after all, it would have no effect right?Now why would the godless be to chicken to not invite a demon?Don`t you wanna see the supernatural?

[@progidy7]

@2:50 "We are forbidden from recording, it could be subpoenaed, then everyone could see it. Would you want that? No? See? So no one can have it." Thats a pretty small sample size to justify such a thing. Here's a different take: I'd want it recorded, so therefore record all of them.

[@lucidlocomotive2014]

Yeah me too why would anyone not want it recorded? That’s absurd to me. Real video evidence of the supernatural?! You can always blur the faces too

[@BillyCollins1990]

Well, they can't ask the possessed while they are possessed whether they want it recorded. A middle ground would be for people to consent to it prior, but people don't often think to write a legal document giving permission just in the off chance they get possessed. Also, there would be a lot of scrutiny over the legitimacy of someone's mental state, claim of sanity, intentions, etc in even contemplating writing such a document. With intentions, it's the kind of thing someone planning to fake possession would do, for instance. So, I can see the concern.

[@lucidlocomotive2014]

@@BillyCollins1990 they could record it and then ask the person after the exorcism if they want it to be kept or released or deleted

[@progidy7]

@@BillyCollins1990 this kind of scenario is already considered by the medical community and medical privacy laws. If someone is unable to make decisions for themselves, spouse or parent or guardian or next of kin or medical power of attorney can decide. Patient privacy laws also apply to protect someone receiving care.

[@NoChance18]

@@BillyCollins1990 I work in news/TV. You're actually often required to ask permission to show someone publicly AFTER something is filmed, not before. This is so they don't give permission and then get tricked into something they clearly don't want public. So you can absolutely film first and then get a signature days later once they've fully recovered. If they say no, then it's illegal to broadcast and can be destroyed if necessary. So this is definitely still a dodge.

[@PockASqueeno]

Why did he keep records in the first place?

[@ThiagoSilva-dv3ri]

Where can you find the entire episode?

[@staabineeger]

The first link in the description

[@NoChance18]

Is there a consistent way in which non-Catholics can consistently and effectively measure demon possession, the effects of possession, and/or the success of exorcisms? I'm sure Catholics would agree that several other religions and cultures are rife with convincing-looking false faith-healings, false demon exorcisms, and other scams. What is the tool we are using to seperate real exorcists from false ones both inside and outside of the church if not (at minimum) allowing professional outside scrutiny?

[@justaguy328]

It's a good question brother, and i'm happy to help out a bit. There is professional outside scrutiny. The church even states that 99% of cases aren't demonic possession. And the church requires that people get professional medical as well as psychological checks by secular doctors before an exorcism is performed. They want to make sure that all other possibilities are accounted for, because the vast majority of the time it's not demonic possession. Behind your question, I sense a little bit of 'scientism'. Seems you think that in the case of demonic possession, science should be the arbiter of truth, but that's where the mistake lies, and I don't mean that to sound condescending at all, so please don't take it that way. I mean it sincerely with respect. You have to keep in mind that these are beings with will and volition, and are not inanimate forces like a sickness, so you can't put them under a microscope and demand that they perform for you. And even if they did, and we had video and medical proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, in a few generations they would be saying that it's not real, and they would point to the fact that CGI existed today so it's most likely CGI, or that we used primitive medical technology so we can't be trusted, and they would bring up the fact that medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death so the medical field cannot be trusted. You are mistaken in believing that non-belief is a head problem, when really it's a heart problem, and that if there was only in your face evidence people would believe and everything would be great, but that's just not the case. Non-belief is a heart problem. Screw exorcism evidence, Jesus could appear in the sky tonight for the entire world to see and I guarantee you there would be youtube videos and articles talking about project blue beam, or some other government or religious conspiracy to trick the world, and people would be making fun of Christians for believing that God actually revealed himself to the world. Finally, it's important to remember that Jesus actually walked the earth in a very 'primitive' time period, performed awe-inspiring miracles, died and rose from the dead according to prophecy and people, and in that 'primitive' time period still didn't believe. Since technology becomes obsolete very quickly, what you regard as evidence today, will be dismissed in a few generations. Why come today? Why not come in another 1000 years when technology is even better? Why not 2000 years from now, when it's even better? You see how that doesn't work? It was the wisdom of God to come at a primitive time period, to show that even in a very primitive time, all of these incredible miracles could be performed and still people would not believe. And this shows that they weren't just primitive superstitious people that would believe anything. It shows that it's not a lack of evidence or technology or scientific knowledge that keeps people from believing. Not only did they not believe, but they killed him. Non-belief is not about "we just need more proof". The "more proof" claim is made by people who know that there is no proof possible that would convince them, and it's simply because they don't want there to be a God. As a former atheist, when I cut through all the BS excuses I made up, I remember being a young kid and walking with my mom and thinking to myself, "boy it would be so nice if God didn't exist then I could do whatever I wanted". Then I found reasons not to believe. It's a heart problem, not a head problem. If Jesus himself walking the earth doesn't do it, nothing will.

[@roscius6204]

The most simple and consistent outcomes are achieved when one accepts that it's all fake. Ever notice that it's only those that believe in this stuff that suffer from it?

[@NoChance18]

@@bethmcmullan7686 How are we determining that it's a demon possession and not an unknown natural cause? How are we determining that exorcisms are successful?

[@roscius6204]

@@bethmcmullan7686 What rubbish.

[@berwynsigns4115]

​@@roscius6204Read The Warning by Christine Watkins

[@Franco-on7yw]

Maybe that time was useful for help people understand that demons are real. So one video is enough to do that.

[@BigIdeaSeeker]

It’s absolutely shameless how Turek changes the subject. I have no desire to defend abortion, but it has nothing to do with the horrific biblical endorsement of slavery. I don’t know how guys like that can sleep at night.

[@joeskis]

how does the Bible endorse slavery? It talks about its existence and it describes how to treat them. Is that endorsing? Or just facing the realities of the day? The Bible is not a guide on how to run a society.

[@BigIdeaSeeker]

@@joeskis I mean Lev 25:44-46 is a pretty clear endorsement. 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.”

[@joeskis]

@@BigIdeaSeeker that is the Old Testament. Most protestant/evangelical Christians view the New Testament as the core guide to our lives. Also when studying the Bible there are places where it's widely held that the message in a particular book or chapter is only for those people at that time and not something to extrapolate for modern use. How that is determined is tricky I'll admit.

[@michaelkahl4940]

Is there an everyday exorcism prayer that I can pray in daily life?

[@godsstrength7129]

Carry our prayers up to God's throne, that the mercy of the Lord may quickly come and lay hold of the beast, the serpent of old, Satan and his demons, casting him in chains into the abyss, so that he can no longer seduce the nations. Amen.

[@roscius6204]

it's simple, switch to a god that doesn't expose you to demonic possession.

[@michaelkahl4940]

@@roscius6204 Reality and the approach to God must be congruent, otherwise it is just a religion.

[@roscius6204]

@@michaelkahl4940 It's all just religions. I was be facetious. No god is the best answer. And the most likely

[@jovieangel17]

St Michael the Archangel prayer the original one by Pope St Leo

[@Contrarevolutio]

What did demon said about Vatican II?

[@wallyd710]

The conservative catholic girl who thought she was possessed was saying things that conservative catholics were saying they didn't like about Vatican II in the 70s. She literally mentions putting the communion rail back in

[@Liam-ix8pv]

Wondering the same thing

[@memorarenz]

I mean....chaps no... That's the trickery of the devil.

[@jendoe9436]

Why would I take any stock into what a demon says about Vatican II? They’ll say whatever will cause the most confusion and discord.

[@quilisma9102]

Well demons can be compelled to tell the truth, and know the truth better than humans so… if one is going to use a demons statements to support a view one should evaluate them reasonably like one does to any witness statement. The demons were critical of Vatican 2 when compelled to tell the truth

[@kylealandercivilianname2954]

How convenient that the one thing that could convert a lot of people is not allowed to be presented.

[@l21n18]

It seems suspicious to me

[@JayneCobb88]

The Church wants to save souls, right? So it’s literally their God given duty to convert. What would convert more people than taping and presenting exorcisms?

[@ahapka]

@@JayneCobb88 with modern CGI and editing techniques, would it really convert anyone? Look at what Hollywood can do.

[@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287]

​@@JayneCobb88I don't think it will help much considering most atheists would either assume the possessed individual is merely just insane with a brain chemical imbalance and psychological trauma or that the video is faked in some way. And, the formerly possessed individual may feel not only embarrassed but fearful of the reaction of future employers, neighbors, potential spouses, and even court judges should they find out about the incident and suspect the individual of being insane. No matter if you are proven to be cured, the suspicion others have you would never cease. The records are similar to that of what is told in confession boxes. You don't want to limit your progress with aiding the demonically afflicted and possessed by exposing them in their most messed up and sinful behavior to the entire world. In the future, the families of other victims may never seek out that priest who exposed a possessed person out of such fears of the world's judgement against their possessed loved one.

[@imtired6104]

@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 Well said.

[@victoriaeinbinder9487]

Just my thoughts: it's not videotaped because it would inspire a whole crowd of DIY exorcists, who in playing stupid games would end up getting themselves possessed. Not worth the cost.

[@serga7486]

I pray youre not here from morbid curiosity. That is wrong. No other way to put it

[@Hhhhhsgaga]

Spoiler it’s not real

[@rickhall517930]

I'm skeptical.

[@halleylujah247]

We noticed. And we didn't even need video evidence.

[@juliusjames5577]

Yup, hogwash

[@alessandrom7181]

Devil is not instead and he's very happy you are.

[@Alan18012]

I’m sure satan is happy with that

[@SydneyCarton2085]

Would you want your confessions to a priest to be public?

[@tolgadabbagh1877]

and it is not polite to look elsewhere when your guest is talking . how old are you not to know this ?

[@natsusatsujinki8342]

Those demons probably told truths that the church don't want getting out. 😂

[@vinceschenden7349]

And what might some of those truths be? Plz give some examples.

[@natsusatsujinki8342]

@@vinceschenden7349 👋

[@joewat3982]

What is his Opinion on *B O B* *L A R S O N* & the Veracity of his Exorcisms ❓

[@Charlotte_Martel]

I would love to hear his thoughts on Larson as well. I believe that old Bob has his daughters in on the side show. It's beyond ridiculous.

[@andrewabbott1998]

hmm, i would think you would want your exorcism to be subpoenaed. wouldn't that help your case?

[@filipcrnoja5385]

I still don't understand why they didn't just feed her.

[@bradleywalsh9487]

Iirc she kept refusing food. Not much you can do in that instance

[@BillyCollins1990]

​@@bradleywalsh9487 Surely the parents have the justification to authorize force feeding through a tube up the nose. This was done to Muslim terrorists in Guantanamo Bay when they refused to eat for Ramadan.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

@@bradleywalsh9487 Feeding tube. Anorexics in hospital have them inserted all the time. No excuse to let the young woman starve to death.

[@kathleen.cameron7234]

😮

[@mrmcduck4902]

"Anything recorded can be subpoenaed" ... always a great sign that the RCC's priority is protecting itself from legal consequences /s For real though, how would anyone here react if any other organisation took this stance?

[@hangontravellers2584]

None of this is found in the Bible. The Catholic churches greatest sin is putting church tradition over the the very words of God.

[@vinceschenden7349]

How is the Church putting its traditions above the words of God? It doesnt. And how does your accusation apply to this video? And why did you, an anti-Catholic, even watch this video and feel the need to comment?

[@ludovicoc7046]

I picked up a demon once. Worst Grindr date ever.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

If you lived 2000 yrs ago, God performed miracles all of the time and constantly proved his existence (according to the Bible). Now that we have excellent recording equipment, God is mute. Wonder why?

[@rubemartur8239]

Masses were done ALL this time, by eyes and by tongue, and you are using a sofiticated and less accesible object to perceive God just by hearing? Its like using the space ship (too much complicated and less aplicable) to prove earth is round, but we already have resources prove the same thing, measuring oceans, large shadows, analysing ships being gone in the horizons... People arent satisfied with responses that doesnt fit their own view of world, That cant be helped.

[@AmiiboDoctor]

The Bible takes place over 2500 years, the miracles didn't all happen at once even back then.

[@oliverobama3279]

Is 2000 years alot? In the bible there would be periods of time where god would not intervene such as 400 years, remember god does not follow the same passage of time as we do as he is not human. You are asking the right questions, look and you shall find.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

@@AmiiboDoctor Brilliant. Let's go to the OT. God actually showed himself and regularly chatted with his favourites. He parted seas and fed people from the sky. He defeated the priests of other gods. When the people truly needed his presence, he manifested. Considering that the entire West has steadily become atheistic, one might think that this is a crisis which would necessitate God making a grand appearance to defeat the movement. Nope. The ancient Hebrews had seas parted and manna from heaven; we have a book of ancient tales. Not the equivalent.

[@spicypepsi9238]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Charlotte_Martel That’s a really fair question, and one that I often wrestle with in prayer. One thing I’ve come to is, in this New Covenant Church, God is far more interested in doing the miraculous through His people than in spite of them. And He’s not just interested, He’s at work. I am close friends with several priests and laypeople who travel the world preaching the Gospel and demonstrating the Lord’s power through incredible miracles. I have seen remarkable healings and words of knowledge and have even been used by the Lord in this way. Through prayer in Jesus’ name, Ive seen lifelong illnesses cured, demonic oppression break off, and have been given insight into people’s lives I never would have had on my own. I’d encourage you to look up Encounter Ministries or the ministry of Damian Stayne. The Holy Spirit is moving powerfully through them.

[@macmac1022]

People of all kinds please state if your christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics. #1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral? #2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child? #3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others? #4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it? #5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?

[@FrJohnBrownSJ]

*you're

[@mellieg.7543]

Can I ask the purpose of this test?

[@macmac1022]

@@FrJohnBrownSJ >>*you're"" You will find I really do not care about punctuation. Can you understand it? That is all I care about.

[@tolkeinlewis3546]

​@@macmac1022You shouldn't be speaking to a priest like that, show some respect.

[@FrJohnBrownSJ]

@@mellieg.7543 It's so that he can apply anachronistic standards for understanding Scripture in such a way that God seems immoral. Don't waste your time.

[@roscius6204]

Not recording exorcisms for the good of the victim. Sure. I guess they don't seem to record their child abuse either but that might be for a different reason.

[@weekendwarrior9171]

Lets hope god doesn't judge you they way you judge, based on the sins of some of you're familly members

[@torreyscott156]

@@weekendwarrior9171 God does judge you based on the sins of family members... he even judges you for the action of people you had no interaction with

[@weekendwarrior9171]

@@torreyscott156 Affected by it yes but not condemned by it, if we choose Christ in our lives his death removes those sins, is he not the new Adam? What I was addressing is that the OP was condeming the entire church by the sins of a few. Douay-Rheims (1- Judge not, that you may not be judged [Matthew 7:1] 2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.) There is nothing wrong with simply addressing or shedding light on a wrong that was committed but you don't condemn the whole lot for the sins of the few, its wrong and defies the common sense the lord gave us. The catholic church has certainly had some misteps in the past and even now but we are not perfect the lord is. Sifting through it and finding the truth is what we should be doing not playing the blame game. Was God himself not willing to spare judgment on even Sodom for as little as 10 just? See Genesis 18:26-33. For as much right as God has to destroy us all we being humble should refrain from judging others especially others based on the actions of there peers. To do such is simply unfair

[@roscius6204]

@@weekendwarrior9171 First there'd need to be a god, that god would need to be the Abrahamic god, then that god would need to be Jesus's dad, then that god would need to be the one the Romans decided best suited their particular form of population control. It's quite a list to run through and more detail could easily be added. Suffice to say the chances of your particular version of god being 'the god' is slim to zero. That's why no amount of impending doom threats has an impact on anyone but your own creed. You are equally unthreatened by the wrath of Mahākāla. Who you say? This is a wrathful god of both Hindism 1.2 billion people and Buddhism 506 million people. Are they all wrong?

[@jameslay1489]

@@weekendwarrior9171 god even judges you for what your ancestors did.

[@rickhall517930]

How convenient that they can't record proof of the supernatural 🙄🙄🙄

[@CallCarson]

Catholics are liars

[@eaazag]

It's really convenient for the skeptics tbh. They will always be able to point to this as a reason that it isn't true even though the church is just trying to protect human dignity.

[@halleylujah247]

​@@eaazagthis absolutely

[@FrJohnBrownSJ]

You'd accept a tape recording as proof of the supernatural? You think it's out of the "convenience" of not offering you that proof that these things aren't recorded?

[@juliusjames5577]

Convenient like Eppstiens security cameras?

[@JayneCobb88]

I don’t understand. You want converts to Christianity, you want to save souls. Record some friggin exorcisms. Makes faith a whole lot easier

[@BlackWhite-tx2kb]

Would it be faith bringing about those conversions? Or a dark faith. A faith based on fear.

[@mellieg.7543]

But why not record miracles instead?

[@alessandrom7181]

First of all not everybody want their video to be shared with whoever, especially for a thing like that that could make people stay away from them even when delivered. Second, demons would use that to take time and make the exorcism far longer or in the worst scenario hide even more to not make people realize evil is real and not a fantasy. Third, there are some videos of father Amorths doing an exorcism with a woman with an unnatural metallic voice and last but not least atheists and skeptics would deem those videos as edited anyway.

[@BlackWhite-tx2kb]

I think they do record miracles, depending on circumstance.

[@Honorable_Asshat]

Man, people recorded supernatural events throughout *history* related to God. Recording things isn't enough. What does recording anything matter if it will either A) Be written off as untrue by skeptics in the media and that's the end of that, or B) Be Forgotten within the span of a generation or two like the whole "spectacle of the sun" thing? That whole incident was recorded by secular news outlets long ago and yet here we are...

[@JosephTaub-kg6gn]

I witnessed an exorcism while attending a military program for troubled teens in 2000.

[@allanyoung4435]

Because it's fraudulent. That's why they don't record it. We all know it.

[@vinceschenden7349]

How do you know?

[@sandrothenecromancer6810]

A simple challenge if it is so false, then make a deal with blood with a demon, take you hand write down on a paper what you want and you'll give your soul for it, sign in your own blood, it doesn't matter if the devil is not there, one of his slaves is and will certainly want a new plaything, but please when the yellowed eyed man comes don't come to a priest, after all it is all fake.

[@феофилакт-п4ш]

so you dont videotape them but speak freely about them on podcasts? the father's integrity is severely lacking here.

[@coralbricks]

The amount of exposure by videotaping would be much larger than simply speaking of it.

[@bigfootapologetics]

So you're telling us you were able to figure out who he was talking about from these descriptions? Who was he describing?

[@феофилакт-п4ш]

​@@coralbricksmy point is neither should be done

[@adrianvelazquez6085]

are you absolutely oblivious to the fact that speaking on podcasts he's not disclosing either the identities or their faces? I can't possibly fathom how you can't draw the line separating the both, as this line is light years wide.

[@феофилакт-п4ш]

@@bigfootapologetics the identity of the individual(s) and knowledge of it is irrelevant to my point. its entirely uncontroversial to suggest that these incidents are kept wholly private and ideally with some kind of seal between the exorcist and those involved; the demonic feeds on fear, the seeds of which are planted through spreading tales of their exploits, failed or otherwise