Why Eyrie STILL sucks for Killer

[@Peachrocks5]

“But Eyrie was already nerfed, it can’t be survivor sided anymore” Yeah, just like Nurse was nerfed several times and she’s still far and away the best killer in the game. I hate the argument that just because something was nerfed once or twice or more, it’s miraculously fine or sided the other way now.

[@wolframiumlavasioth]

Mainly comes from people who only play one side. Killer mains will complain about hook grabs being removed and now the whole game is survivor sided. Survivor mains will cry about not being to tap gens anymore and now the whole game is killer sided...

[@Laculan]

@@Peachrocks5 Nurse is so based

[@NocSlays]

@@Peachrocks5 I can spam this map and put a compilation of the outcome in solo of how I lose way more than win on this map. Can’t change my mind because it’s my peon experience go the game. Killers win way more than I ever get to escape.

[@Riokv]

@@NocSlays Sounds like.. skill issue?

[@NoodlesCubed]

@@NocSlays thats kind of how the game works bud, if you think about the killer and survivor TEAM being balance with every game being a 2k,. you still have a 50/50 of dying. even when your team wins you will die about 17% of the time (averaging a perfect mix of 4out and 3out), when you lose you die 75% to 100% of the time. with BHVRs ideal world of 60% kill rate you will only make it out 40% of the time. Personal escapes are a sily metric to play for if you don't consider how many of your team made it out, and makes you a very selfish player.

[@alik4325]

dont forget how as a killer someone can see you from the other side of the map clearly especially as a stealth killer

[@monkey75499]

bro..

[@AdelinChiran]

if u use fog offerings eyrie of crows gets stupidly foggy lmao I recommend doing it it's very fun and unexpected. It's best done as a SWF with 3 fog offerings.

[@blucatte842]

@@AdelinChiran This is the reason why is so shitty

[@NoahFence736]

You cannot be trying to defend eerie you one sided survivor main

[@HonestNotModest80085]

Editing this to delete and say I am dumb for misreading the comment, I shoulda paid more attention.

[@josh9452]

Survivors will say “why complain about Eerie it got changed” just for them to send me there every 5 games anyway

[@hino6217]

i had a swf try to gaslight me in to think that this was a killer side map

[@GregPiggot]

Bot survivors who only play one side of the game. Never listen to opinions from those types of players😂

[@SqueletteCoolG]

Thats why the swf used a map offering to send you there, they just really wanted to make it fair for you /s

[@FIDELELIZONDO-zw3oo]

Them bushes should NOT have collision. Its pain for the hillbilly

[@The_Dragon_Tiamat]

Don't forget Huntress and Bubba.

[@MightyJabroni]

@@The_Dragon_Tiamat Huntress can work around the long and straight walls, though. I think, Huntress is actually one of the few non high mobility killers, that can deal with Eyrie relatively well. Same is true for Deathslinger and Doctor.

[@oza_lup]

@@MightyJabroni there so many loops where you cant even see who you chase

[@GhostelFaceMan]

Tell me about it. I'd take an Eyrie rework over a swamp rework anyday. At least certain swamp maps have fun gen patrol paths.

[@XaqNautilus]

If by "bush" you mean "clearly dead, fragile bundle of twigs" and also "chainsaw vacuum," I am with you whole-heartedly. However, we should also be thankful for how slidable many of the structures on Eyrie are for Billy while sawing. Billy can do some really cool (nasty) things on Eyrie.

[@jaymatsu2367]

If people bring map offerings for a reason , it just shows how problematic that specific map can be, and eyrie is one of those fact

[@Peachrocks5]

Some do use them because they want to go to a specific map but yes it’s far too easy to abuse. If BHVR could actually balance worth a damn, having offerings would be fine but some maps are so obviously extremely sided one way or the other it’s mind boggling.

[@deviouscat4571]

Lol people bring map offerings because they do not want to get thrown in Sharted Square/Crapponfield/Yolooka/Crapwind Farm

[@bronzeinkwell2590]

I had a match this morning against a Wraith, and one of my teammates, not in a swf btw, brought an Eyrie offering. Killer almost immediately DCed during the LOADING SCREEN. Not even in the match yet, but he saw Eyrie and just 'noped' out of the game.

[@BradyPartain]

@@deviouscat4571 they bring them because they want an easy win, simple as that

[@RaffoPhantom]

@@deviouscat4571 Survivors throw way, way, way WAY more map offerings than killer, even correcting for the 4:1 ratio (or even less since when I play I play usually Swf. I personally only throw a map if I need it for an achievement like RPD, I know someone else throws a sac ward so I can negate it or when I play solo.)

[@jennabeanjean]

The fact that you drew this from memory on stream…your DBD knowledge is unbeatable Otz 🙏

[@OzcanGuzelhan]

i think its %50 knowledge and %50 pain of eyrie

[@DetectiveScrutinizer]

it's either this or garden of joy offerings for him...

[@okatori795]

Easy to remember the moments that caused emotional scars

[@cheeseman_jones]

You mistake knowledge for trauma

[@getwhacked33]

lol congratulating someone for doing their job

[@salicyl3350]

My additional small nitpicks with Eyrie: The collision on some tiles can get you stuck. The small bushes are really annoying for ranged Killers/Billy/Bubba (and in general). The floor made of sand meaning survivors have close to no footstep sound. Most Eyrie filler pallets have little mindgame potential because you can see the Killer at all times. Why does the main building have breakable walls that the Killer HAS to break. Most Totem spots are absolutely awful on Eyrie (unless youre survivor and run a Boon perk, then theyre super hidden) The random ink particles that you can easily mistake for a crow flying up in the distance, or even a survivor moving in your peripherie. And in addition to that: THEY MAKE SOUNDS! Why do they have to make a quiet sound that sometimes makes you think a survivor breathed or a footstep or something nearby. I hate Eyrie

[@Necoter23]

aaand! the main reason why this map sucks. map offerings

[@Afrochilla]

@@Necoter23No. It's definitely the things him and otz mentioned lol. The map offering can only be a problem when the map itself is a problem.

[@deviouscat4571]

@@salicyl3350 Oh no you have to break a breakable wall 😭

[@MimikyuDisciple]

@@deviouscat4571 Yeah, And That Wastes Time And Costs You Distance. Plus Being Forced To Break A Wall Or Else You Lose Isn't A Very Fun Game Mechanic To Deal With.

[@Riokv]

@@MimikyuDisciple Ew why are you capitalizing every word thats disgusting

[@localviking666]

explains in detail why this maps design is bad "ok but explain why its bad"

[@TheHUEZOX]

Thats the internet for you lol

[@paulodelima5705]

Bad for some killers.

[@malachiluna9777]

​@@paulodelima5705 I mean, I guess Nurse is good on every map, but she's an exception to the rule, most killers don't love that map.

[@paulodelima5705]

​@ Nurse has some bad maps too. Those with low line of sight or objects and trees can help survivers hide from her.

[@kaib6998]

@@paulodelima5705 ok but nurse on a relatively bad map is still better than most killers on a good map so the point still stands

[@jinxdbd]

The ending lmao. You can just feel the exhaustion in his voice.

[@thebigbingus8624]

Commonly overlooked detail on this map: the sand muffles survivor footsteps, it can be INCREDIBLY difficult to track a survivor with iron will on this map.

[@curtis19921]

@@thebigbingus8624 commonly overlooked detail on this map: the sand overly brightens survivor blood trails it can be INCREDIBLY difficult to lose the killer even with iron will on this map.

[@thebigbingus8624]

@ fair, but I’m looking at this from the perspective of being a Dracula player. I can’t see blood in my bat form, just scratch marks, so sound is the most important. Footsteps are your primary tracking method in bat form. The sand REALLY messes with me in this case, hence iron will making this more of an issue.

[@nocturnal-beats_]

lol that ending gave a "babe are you even listening" vibe

[@DevsClips]

It'll always be crazy to me how the biggest issue with this game, since LAUNCH, has always been the maps. From infinites to unplayable fences, to the entirety of The Game, to the devs designing killers without every map in mind. (god why can I still queue into Hawkins as Singularity) There's maps that are nearly perfectly designed like Sanctum of Wrath, and then you have maps the developers seem to literally not be able to design correctly like Haddonfield.

[@тѕтя]

true and sanctum is one of my favs

[@brais5001]

I think the last one add is nearly perfect to,also,the snow not looks like...cocaine?xD

[@Afrochilla]

It's weird because maps like Sanctum show the devs clearly know how to balance maps, they just don't stick to that formula with other maps and you have ridiculous edge cases like Hawkins, Meat Plant, Eyrie, or Disturbed Ward. Plus there are maps like Swamp which are still begging for their reworks. Seriously try cleansing all 5 totems on any Swamp realm without a map, you will go insane in a single game.

[@dineez627]

@@brais5001 I disagree. I want to hit you with a long explanation why it's not balanced but will only do so if you want it.

[@irregularassassin6380]

@@Afrochilla Try finding hatch on Swamp without aura reading on it. Also really difficult!

[@somehowsleepy]

that person at the end doesnt even realize you dont have to be a killer "mAiN" to hate this map sometimes

[@sinner2133]

This is yet the billionth trillionth jillionth reason why map offerings have always sucked for both parties involved and should’ve never been in the game to begin with. You shouldn’t have to experience a long and tiresome day, come back home, boot Dbd hoping to have a bit of fun only to have an insufferable try hard bring an offering for a map that’s objectively awful against you.

[@SophiaBadger]

@@sinner2133 This comment reads like a meme. “Get off a long stressful day of work. Want to relax with a video game. Boot up Dead By Daylight(???)”. Play standew valley or something lol

[@teletummy]

@@SophiaBadger there’s a new civilization coming out, maybe try that instead!

[@e2b265]

Even when the map isn’t that bad for you, they’re deciding where you need to play and what kind of fun youll have (hoping it’s one where you’ll have any)

[@HardToKillDBD]

@@sinner2133 I use map offerings a lot as survivor because my random maps are always garbage like borgo, nostromo or hawkins. I also dislike the visuals of said maps. I don't bring offerings for the map advantage itself.

[@SwagStyleSasune]

@@SophiaBadger mathieu cote is that u??

[@Wolfygirl97]

I’m glad that you uploaded this. I never understood why people say some maps are killer or survivor sided. The things you listed in this video really make it make a lot of sense. Thanks Otz!!!

[@GregPiggot]

All u have to do is look at the sheer amount of loops on the map in close proximity on both sides of the map! Any survivor bot with even basic loop knowledge can give a killer a hard time. Especially an m1 killer!

[@MimikyuDisciple]

Generally When It Comes To Judging Map Strength, It Boils Down To 4 Factors: 1. Overall Tile Strength And Number Of Tiles 2. Map Size 3. How Well The Tiles Connect To One Another 4. Number Of Line Of Sight Blockers. The Fourth One Largely Depends On The Killer You Are Playing. If You Are Playing Huntress, Then You Would Want Clear Sight Lines So Your Hatchets Are Harder To Avoid. If You Are Playing Ghostface, Then You'd Want The Opposite So That You Have More Places To Hide.

[@irregularassassin6380]

@@MimikyuDisciple Why are you capitalizing every word?

[@AzirDezara]

Got an Eyrie offering used on me 15 times in a row, the amount of times I considered hitting alt-f4 to save my sanity was definitely up at that time.

[@AmyLovesYou]

You could; you know, bring sac wards?

[@AzirDezara]

@@AmyLovesYou did for 5 of em. Either got overwritten by multiple map offerings or the game made me unlucky and gave it to me anyway. There's a reason why my sanity was tested.

[@mogullll]

every 6 months I come back to otz just to see if the game has changed yet, good to know it's all still the same as it was

[@Greedo_14]

Now lets talk about Coldwind maps...dead zones

[@deviouscat4571]

No they don't talk about that because the killer side has no problematic stuff :3

[@sssveden]

@@deviouscat4571 Actually many people talk about that but I feel Eyrie is much worse for killers than Coldwind for survivors (as a survivor main). Haddonfield on the other hand...

[@Rad_Roxxi_Music]

@@deviouscat4571 us vs them brain rot needs to end. it was getting old like 3 years ago, and i still don't understand why people think like that

[@SophiaBadger]

Coldwind is now more of a 50/50. Throughout most of DBDs history Coldwind has hard favored survivors, and cowshed was the most survivor sided map for a while. Now it’s generally a coin flip on if a maps layout favors killer or survivor- though even if there are dead zones the positive is that at least the tiles that do spawn on Coldwind are usually pretty good. Like long walls, jungle gyms and some really good survivor sided loops that are unique to Coldwind maps.

[@2060-y9n]

@@Rad_Roxxi_Music its so fucking irritating dude, you literally cannot have a civil conversation about balance in this community, its half the reason this game is in such a terrible state atm.

[@justmavi7999]

I don't understand how we can have this and a huge cornfield with 3 pallets and 2 windows in total, in same pool

[@tmoney1487]

Im glad sacrificial wards are brown rarity now

[@DJSleezy]

Me personally I’m ok with most maps because hey! I’m use to them. But one I DREAD is swamp. I groan when I see anything related to swamp. The day it got kill switched for a bit? People were legit happy on both sides.

[@GregPiggot]

Map strength is down to personal preference really in my opinion.

[@tjs50]

The ending killed me 😂

[@JohnAllanEntwistle]

Me when no one mentions the visibility on this map too, for its size you can still generally always know where the killer is due to it being a Barron fucking desert

[@sechiccino]

I genuinely don't understand why they don't reverse the effect of the offerings - instead of making a map guaranteed, make it practically impossible to get if that offering is used. Keeps offerings relevant but rather than bring you to a map that's awful for one side or the other, just make one map/realm not appear. Only problem I can see with this is 4 survivors bringing map offerings to prevent multiple realms but even then that's still better than guaranteeing a great map for them

[@SophiaBadger]

I mean, if you’re going to prevent a map though you might has well just bring a sacrificial ward.

[@Allskil88]

@@SophiaBadger These two are not even comparable. Ward = "Don't get sent to a map offering, can still land there because RNG" vs "Use an offering to strike out a map". So as a killer you could use Eyrie or Badham offerings to avoid those, and as a Survivor you can use the ones for maps you don't like, amplified by 4 in a full SWF to strike out 4 maps. Stop being disingenious and just say you want to keep sending killers to Eyrie.

[@sechiccino]

@@SophiaBadger That only prevents guaranteed maps from offerings, it doesn't stop a map from appearing entirely though.

[@SophiaBadger]

@@Allskil88 I’ve only ever really played killer man. I’m more partial to wards because then I can still play a map I like on random chance. If sacrificial wards let you choose a specific realm then I feel like some maps would just always be greyed no matter what. Because one of the four survivors no matter what is probably going to block midwhich or something. It doesn’t seem that useful for killers either cause they can only block one map, when there are probably 5 or 6 realms that generally favor survivor. I’m personally fine with leaving it all to random chance, that seems (mostly) fair to me. Your statement is kinda funny too considering one of the matches I played the other day with my brother I got sent to realms 3/5 of my matches. And one of them was Eiyre. Neither of us really play much anymore but it was funny to see people still love their map offerings so much.

[@SophiaBadger]

@ Why not make it so sacrificial wards have the double effect of blocking any realm that is offered up? That way the pool is still mostly random and fair for both sides, as well as allowing you to (probably) knock off a powerful map for the opposing side.

[@AveryHyena]

If Eyrie isn't extremely strong, why do survivors keep using the map offering? Things that make you go hmmmm.

[@Dusk62704]

Those little bushes everywhere have massive hotboxes and are really annoying for ranged killers.

[@andixpiwi8325]

you forgot that one tile in the middle that the survivor can loop for days and you wouldn't be able to mind game or catch up to them unless you use power

[@AmyLovesYou]

For real, a god loop with constant LoS on killer makes for the longest time waste.

[@Garfieldtheuwu]

don't forget the weird hitboxes, one time as hillbilly i bumped into the tip of a tree branch that was over my head

[@Galliao]

Otz showing off that 10 year art mastery degree.

[@ПОСЛЕВКУСИЕ-ю9п]

Knight sound? 0:43

[@diegoluna6325]

Gameplay was added later to show the map as he went around it. (We see chases with Pig, Trapper, Wraith, Slinger...etc) He was probably waiting in the lobby as Knight, it's one of his idle sounds.

[@Piromysl359]

Yes, he was in the lobby at the time and the gameplay is thanks to the power of editing.

[@AMGC7]

Reminder that the rework that the map received was purely a layout & shape rework, making it not as obnoxiously long (insane pre-running and gen-split). The total size is only slightly smaller, the tile connection is still crazy, annoying stuff like bad hooks & collisions are still there and of course the loops are exactly the same which were and are one of the core issues of the map. There was one new loop (a landmark) that while being weak, it shared spawn location with what was a guaranteed deadzone (the fountain landmark) and nowadays I believe it has completely replaced it so even this weak loop is somehow making the map stronger.

[@shuyokizuki]

As a survivor that is not so super comfortable at chase, I also don't like Eyrie. I got used to it since so many teammates bring you there, but I prefer less "visible" maps. In the meaning of: I am good at calculating what is within the killers los and what is not. So I often run iron will and get away from a short or decent chase without getting downed. But on Eyrie... the killer can see you from a mile away.

[@AH.111]

I've been struggling badly with killer recently. I might just suck (3k hours) but eyrie seems to keep getting the better of me. The reason it is so easy for survivor is because the map is so damn easy to play. Every single loop is just so easy, even terrible survivors can last up to a minute in chase because every pallet is pre-droppable and the killer is almost always forced to break all of them.

[@Nephthys52]

Solid video otz! Can you also do ones for killer sided maps as well 😊

[@lordtoast344]

My first time playing this map was with huntress....everything absolutely EVERYTHING had a hit box and sometimes the hotboxes on certain plants were double the size,who knew a small dead twig plant had a hit box above it as well Or the fact that I couldn't even see them until my hatchet hit them

[@theabsoluteworst1720]

And I for some reason always play as Doctor on this map whenever his daily comes up. :(

[@e2b265]

I still have flashbacks to that one giant fence with a generator on Eyrie. Defending a generator when they can see you coming a mile away and waste all your time is impossible.

[@fdhappy6930]

That long-ass fence next to a grave pallet, with a gen perfectly placed there. And then the other small-ass fence loop in front of main, that has a 100% guarantee of getting you long chases against 80% of the Killer roster.

[@corvo286]

survivors can use 4 offerings but killers have to sacrifice the 100% bloodpoints bonus if they don't want to go to the survivors map

[@chickenking1753]

And if the survivors use 4 of the same offering the killer doesn't even get a choice. Heck even with only one offering rng might decide to render your ward useless.

[@steelrice3974]

Sac wards being the only counter to Erie to only then get Erie.

[@TheBlackboxgameingCo]

The knight noises in the back ground lol

[@Ashy_Slashy3]

Nurse players, avenge us! Avenge us fellow killers!

[@jacobhowell8553]

Instructions unclear I only understand duck sounds.

[@Cody-fl1gb]

man i love the offering that cancels your map lol

[@LegionTree]

The friggen fog on that map is so horrendous and bright. Gives me a headache everytime

[@MrIcezGaming]

There are more pallets on this map and Gideon than dollars in my bank account.

[@Momdoer69]

on paper, eerie is just old new cowshed. you start at shack, then the whole map becomes one big connected loop that leads all the way back to shack.

[@DBDNOCOMMENTARYYTB]

Home of 50% of my games, thanks to map offerings... shhh...

[@Count_of_Lumina]

This map is by far the best map for singularity. So I'm part of the few people that love this map as killer.

[@IIIIIVEERATIIIII]

You know what I don't like about this map? The ink blotches coming off the ground make a sound effect that sounds too similar to survivors healing.

[@GenetMJF]

Last time I got sent to eyrie, I went against SWF that had boil over, flip-flop etc. builds. Too bad I had full backback build so I stomped them. So lucky

[@Anemyya]

Not to mention that the walls of all the tiles are a bit thicker or have wonky hitboxes on some parts which 1. Is incredibly annoying by itself and 2. As a neurospicy bean, I feel like I am so slow and can't catch up at all and it makes me want to press the dc button irl (yes autohaven are my worst maps, how did you know?)

[@brais5001]

The worst is that I love this map design in artistic point,its so prety and unique,sadly,every tyme I use trapper,this maps offers appears,is like a curse,because for my,is his worst map xD

[@mythicaltwinkie8216]

I will always dodge when I see a Eyrie offering.

[@albescentrose7225]

Skill issue.

[@MREmrdzcn]

Important to note that Eyrie is a singular map in it's realm. When survivors use an offering, they are guarenteed to go to this map. As opposed to a map like Garden of Joy which shares it's offering with the movie theather map.

[@northernskying]

Some valid points but I would rather play this map as killer than Haddonfield, Decimated Borgo, Pale Rose, or all any of the reworked Coldwins as survivor.

[@theravenman]

Camping basement in main building is your best bet on this map.

[@GregPiggot]

Nah. Just play a mobility killer and dodge swf lobbies. I main oni and win most my matches and weirdly enough ill take eyrie over red forest, yamoaka and toba landing anyday! Ill even take gideon over those😂

[@theravenman]

@@GregPiggot Nah.

[@MichaelxVoorhees]

this is such a good content. id love more like this to just help explain

[@Bobby5967]

You're not wrong. As a survivor main, I love this map.

[@Lv20Bard]

I dont work in game design, so ultimately I know nothing, but it FEELS like sometimes developers like to add things to their games that make me question if they've ever even played the game they made.

[@mitthiew]

we have eyrie and haddonfield in the same game...

[@stanislas_biliby5182]

That and survivors make zero noises when running on the sand.

[@XLamonteCoxX]

If survivors keep sending you there, it's for a reason.

[@GangsterGreg]

Yep, the funniest thing was hearing survs use excuses such as liking the "aesthetics". Then Eyrie got nerfed and the offerings suddenly dried up (aesthetics, clearly). And then survs soon realised that Eyrie was still extremely one-sided after the "nerf" and arguably even worse in some ways. And here we are.

[@Beowolf14]

Otz is the type of guy to censor 4 F bombs and not censor one.

[@slimelvl4888]

sole reason why I bring a ward every game

[@moputopia]

the sand also makes footsteps really silent

[@proxy0119]

I love how people keep complaining like the win rate for killers is not more than 60%. I have played the game since 2017, and I still believe the game was more fun back then. The game now is just a shell of the fun it was. Jimmy the map offering nurse: But the game back then had bugs and was survivor sided and you had infinites and I didn't have 2 million gen perks. Me: So? It was more fun because even if in that broken state you would get people playing different killers with different builds. If the devs fixed the survivor perks back then the game would have been balanced IMO. I took a break multiple times from this game because it has become a boring shell of what it was and more frustrating. Killers are using VPNs to get an advantage (at least back then you could dodge a lobby because you would see the ping ALL THE TIME), most killers are sweating their asses off in every lobby, you get a team made up of new players with 2 hrs. Oh, and god forbid you play with friends and have fun with head on, not even trying to win, because you get bled out on the ground. I get tunneled out 80% of the games I play to win just because I'm good at the game (could be better), the other 20% the killer leaves me for someone he can kill in 10 seconds. Mr Otzdarva you may have played the game a lot and you may think that "balance" is important, but right now balance gave us this: Sweats, boring killers, op killers more then 100 perks that most people don't use, maps that many hate and maps that many ONLY play (had a killer afk just because I used a sacrificial ward), swf that sweat like there is no tomorrow, etc. This is Ouroboros. I think this is all I have to say. You can disagree with me, you can take my side; I don't care. Thank you for reading my rant on the game.

[@simonjones313]

I don’t use map offerings in general bc both sides complain at the end of the day

[@teganlov4638]

I only bring map offerings because I need to get a certain challenge done or want a certain achievement.

[@bebo-star_8916]

What about FORGETTING RUINS is sucks for survivors?

[@DogMakingSausage]

Haddonfield too. A lot of maps now. Getting smaller and smaller

[@NoodlesCubed]

You do know what-about-isms are a logical fallacy, right? So, what about it? This video isn't about forgotten ruins, and that map being bad doesn't make this map any less bad.

[@cassidy8307]

@@NoodlesCubed I play 60% killer and I think the very killer-sided maps are worse than the very survivor-sided ones. Haddonfield, forgotten ruins, and midwich are a nightmare for survivors. When i'm a killer on eyrie/garden/badham, I still win most of the time, and when I don't it's more of a skill issue than a map issue.

[@bebo-star_8916]

Bro i am asking him to talk about how this map is terrible for survs

[@elixiirrs]

@@cassidy8307 Your anecdotal experience does not override raw data. Most deadly map has a 63% kill rate which is 3% higher than intended. The least deadly map has a 46.9% kill rate which is 10% lower than intended. You don't know what you're talking about.

[@Mushroom-Stew]

My biggest issue as a shitty killer is the bushes tbh

[@Its_SaberHG]

I feel like another huge issue with main building is since it's very open, there's nothing the killer can even do to mind game or try to end the chase quicker. At least with other tiles, certain killers can shut down the loop. Not with main as it's just hold W Another issue is the gen spread, there's absolutely no way any killer without mobility can defend the gens if they're a little unlucky

[@avocadothecat]

So, can we delete the killer sided maps too or nah?

[@MightyJabroni]

Which ones do you have in mind?

[@avocadothecat]

@MightyJabroni Haddonfield with it's possible 5 gen due to how small it is. Or the Coldwind Farm versions that can spawn with 7 Pallets total of which half are trash pallets (you know the ones that basically look like an i if looked from above that spawn in the middle of the fields) or I have gotten TL wall only versions too. Unbalanced maps suck. I want Eyrie to be reworked again. But I also want Haddonfield and Coldwind to be reworked again. Also... screw swamp on both sides. Just a bad map in general.

[@M0urfeen]

"maps" there's literally one killer sided map LOL

[@MightyJabroni]

@ That's nonsense. As if all maps and all killers would gel equally. Versing a Huntress on Gideon is not the same as versing a Doctor or Dracula on this map.

[@avocadothecat]

@MightyJabroni counterpoint: Haddonfield with it's tiny map. This is easy mode for every killer. The gens are so tight even non mobility killers can easily camp them. The map is open enough for Huntress and friends while also having very few viable pallets. The only way you loose on there is if you commit to bad chases on purpouse with an m1 killer. I play killer myself - I have yet to lose a single time on there. I'm not saying make it Surv sided again - I'm saying to make it balanced. Like Autohaven or Mcmillan. I already said in another comment that I find half the coldwind variants bs as well. Half of them are still good for Surv while the other half can spawn with almost no pallets at all leading to the most onesided matches ever.

[@JardTheRat]

I still enjoy playing this map as killer though.

[@TheOldWhovian]

"Map is pretty rough for killer; here's some detailed explanations as to why." - Otz "Idk I died on it, so it seems pretty killer sided" - Some guy

[@NathanRamia]

this map is amazing for blight right?

[@Sir.Fingers]

@@NathanRamia no

[@SoullessHA]

I remember I played ghost face on mcmillan map and when I was chasing the survivor in the double window loop i blocked one window with bamboozle... Turns out next to it was another double window loop. It was a time ago and not sure if it can still happen.

[@blazeyprime4470]

Man here we are in 2025 and still Otz is bullying pig

[@zmpixie]

i hear knight in the background...😊

[@hurrdurr44]

Bringing an Eryie offering as a survivor forfeits your rights as a team to not be tunneled and camped

[@thatfishguy4991]

I still prefer Eyrie over Badham any day.

[@chickenking1753]

Agree. For me this also applies to garden of joy. Never had match on goj that didn't feel terrible the entire time.

[@xyon1988]

its basically impossible to see if you run 4 murky reagents on eyrie

[@deathluvv]

Chatter01 really livin up to name with this one.

[@ArtemisGamingChannel]

I hate Grim Pantry a little more than this map. The main building is insanely strong for survivors. Elevation makes it hard to use certain killer powers, and don't forget the pog log which is right next to shack.

[@alexbarker6968]

Agreed, I think eyrie is a much stronger survivor map because grim pantry isn't quite as safe overall with more deadzones, but grim pantry is just incredibly boring to play on, your best strategy as killer is basically to just ignore the main building and never go there when survivors run you to it, which they do all the time because it's such a strong tile. Not to ignore the pier as well, where survivors can just sit on the end until they see you climb up the opposite side and then jump down and run to main, if a gen spawns there good luck defending it

[@casedistorted]

I get Eyrie constantly and I hate It, especially All the black floating oil

[@soulbender1987]

Its ok otz I'll still get sent to this map every other game

[@Guardedripjaw08]

Not to mention if you play dredge, night fall is basically useless.

[@Nathanfreek]

I just did a killer speedrun with plague, around 2 minutes .. but I forgot to setup my record software. And on the other hand, I loop most killers long with main building windows. Sooo ... it depends again on the player (:

[@Aize.Zadrak]

People want balanced map but don't see the first problem with a balanced killer, mmr, restriction.

[@Dragauneau06]

Tbh, It woudn't be mutch of an issue if there was no map offerings

[@kekprod_]

video on borgo next?

[@reideros9757]

ducks on eyrie noted

[@MrScale241]

eyrie already been modified 😔

[@DillonMeyer]

Main reasons: 1. Map big. 2. Map has big, superfluous second story area with no generators in it used exclusively for Survivor benefit. 3. Exit gates always across the entire map from eachother with main building in the way. 4. Map bright, killer cannot hide. Other than that, its a pretty solid map.

[@tin-slayer-3368]

Agreed, but about 2nd point, there is pretty nasty hook on second floor that plays a lot like upside down basement. Still the worst killer's map

[@JCglitchmaster]

Also survivor footsteps are quite af on this map compared to other ones

[@curtis19921]

Also killer can see your blood so much easier making it easier to find injured survivors

[@CrescentStorm]

Your Eyrie lookin like that? man where is my Eyrie that looks this safe!! i dont think i have seen an Eyrie this safe, i always get Eyries that have the huge rocks with no pallets anywhere..

[@GregPiggot]

That is very unlucky. Never do the lottery😂

[@CrescentStorm]

@GregPiggot i mean i dont bring map offering so if we do get the map im okay because im not the killer, i feel sorry for all killers that get mapped. But i personally see more killers bring maps then survivors which is crazy!

[@dobby9996]

Ngl but I'm fine with Eyrie being survivor sided. Too many maps now are filled with a pathetic number of pallets or absolutely awful pallets that no killer has any incentive to break. And the kill rates show this with an average above what the devs want. Sending a killer to Eyrie is the killer equivalent of sending survivors to Midwich, Nostromo, Dead Dawg, Lery's, Swamp or Haddonfield. Let survivors have Ormond and Eyrie I say

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

I think map offerings also contribute to why survivors dc so much. When they burn a strong map offering there is this expectation sometimes that they will dunk on the killer for an easy win. When these types of players plan fails they just dc or go next on the hook. It’s really annoying and I’m not even a good killer. When it happens I lose interest in continuing to play the game.

[@Mooseshovel]

Is that gonna be on the test?

[@JohnPablob]

Now that my friendship has ended with Pirate Software, I'm glad to have another resident "box-drawer" on my youtube feed. Thanks, Otz